The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:25 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:22 pm thanks JAY for your effort in teaching us this class!!

Thanks for modding boo

And thanks to everyone who even watched a portion of one lecture video in this game and to those who diligently attempted those quizzes. This theme was kind of meant to be a dumb joke, and I threw it into the queue on a whim. I did not anticipate this silly thing to attract so many friends from the broader Mafia community, and when it did I kind of straightened my tie and decided to take my own game a little more seriously.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:59 pm tangy trending down as well actually significantly

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:54 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:51 pm This is firmly aggravating.

eh no need for it to be from my stuff i hope, just a "tangys been posting fine but nothing has made me go 'oh town!' so we'll worry about it later" thing

Arete wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:52 pm tbf I don't think 'not caring about this EoD' is a scumtell for Tangy necessarily

I don't think literally anyone here cares about the EoD and you can't possibly all be wolves

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:30 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:38 am c4, dya and KZA are in the "no impressions made" club and I would like them to play the game. I do not townread c4 for a carefully voiced scumread (?) on SPF. That's in any average wolf's wolfrange and I think SPF is too quick to clear them regardless of alignment.

dya and KZA just haven't talked about the game much yet. Dya got offended based on a single accusation if I read that correctly, and KZA 5-posted and dipped.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 am I could say similar things about KZA, for that matter. Except KZA's ISO is even worse. Not only does it have fewer posts, but its only attempt at engagement is a thin townread on SPF. Also, bows out of reading Gavial instead of even trying. Terrible look so far. The point about "looking out of touch with the thread" also applies here. Dizzy just above me is open about the fact they won't engage with the game (not sure how to read that at the moment). KZA here is low-efforting and being quiet about it.

Stupid read, but KZA and Dizzy aren't W/W based on that. I doubt they would both do this as wolves, and in such a different manner, too. If they wanted to meme and become the slankwolf collective, they'd either both do it like Dizzy or both like KZA. I understand if people consider this read stupid, though.

sorry to bring up old stuff, I've been working a lot and not really posting

wanna walk me through this 0-100? I don't really see how you made this progression when I had 0 posts between those 2

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:49 pm Eg tangrowths focus on arete at this time like EOD isn't v soon

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:48 pm To reiterate the point I made earlier I think tangrowth is not really engaging with the gamestate

I mean they talk to people and post lists and stuff but it's never for a purpose other than itself. I don't think I'm making this argument clear but it's like, posting reasonable posts but not caring about the outcome, they are fine on an individual level but taken as a whole you don't feel they care about ''''solving the game''' and instead it's just looking like they've given thought to stuff

Marluxion wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:31 pm

Spoiler: show

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:07 pm I don't have time to elaborate much, unfortunately, but I'd be happy to engage with anyone about reads upon my return... whenever that'll be. I'm hoping an hour before EoD at the absolute latest but I just don't know. There's a chance I miss it, but I'd really hate to do that.

I ranked players within tiers as thoughtfully as I could with limited time. Some words off the top of my head... just going to trust spf right now, we're mindmelding, she seems legit. dya feels right to me, I want to see what they can do going forward. I need to actually interact with Dizzy at some point to make sure. sunbae I still have some misgivings on but I think he looked a lot better after I got to witness his gears turning in real time. Alison is the one I'm most torn on but for some reason I just believe her.

The reads below that I'm having a lot more trouble sorting. I'm seeing what I want to see with Zack, but I'm increasingly concerned that... it's by the numbers or something? I still think he's probably town but I couldn't keep him up there for some reason... really running out of time, gotta stop here I guess.

Strong town
nutella
spf

Moderate town
dya
Dizzy
sunbae
Alison

Upper POE - light town
Zack (bronana)
Vulgard
c4
Visor (outed wolf)
Marluxion
Amy
KZA

Lower POE
Arete
Hally
Gavial

why is amy and vulgard below sunbae dya and alison?

there is no universe in which that is a genuine thought

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:43 pm

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:27 pm @Tangrowth There's one thing I've just noticed about your updated readlist. Me and Arete have both expressed doubt about your slot. It looks like you pushed us both further down your readlist for it. Why is that? Asking more about Arete than I'm asking about myself, but curious about both. Didn't notice other townreads moving down.

Did I push Arete down for it? I don't think so, maybe it was more visible because I had it alphabetical last time and my POE shrunk. Either way, it can be a typical tendency of mine when I'm town, especially in the early game, to naturally gravitate towards working more with and/or town reading players who agree with me, and I suppose a portion of that is inherent agreement with the only bit of TMI that I have (my own alignment). I wouldn't say that's the main reason for either of your placements, although I spoke to how I wasn't sure if I bought Arete's treatment of me in the first reads list post, and that still stands.

Your falling was sort of like... like Zack, I was grouping both of you together in a sort of like "these people felt pretty solid to me when composing first reads list post-catch up" and post-second catch up I felt that less with each of you, um I'm not entirely sure how much of that particularly in your case was due to not giving you enough attention either, so that's entirely plausible and I wouldn't mean to say like "hey work with me" and get a bit snippy about it and then make no effort to do so and move you down myself, but that may have been more of a factor than I would have liked, lol. This is a lot of words to say your solving stood out to me more during first reads list compilation than the second time around.

I hope this makes sense, let me know.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:27 pm @Tangrowth There's one thing I've just noticed about your updated readlist. Me and Arete have both expressed doubt about your slot. It looks like you pushed us both further down your readlist for it. Why is that? Asking more about Arete than I'm asking about myself, but curious about both. Didn't notice other townreads moving down.

Amy wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:38 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:36 pm Well, less than 30 minutes it seems, but I made it!

glad you got my ping in wolfchat

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:20 pm

Spoiler: show

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:07 pm I don't have time to elaborate much, unfortunately, but I'd be happy to engage with anyone about reads upon my return... whenever that'll be. I'm hoping an hour before EoD at the absolute latest but I just don't know. There's a chance I miss it, but I'd really hate to do that.

I ranked players within tiers as thoughtfully as I could with limited time. Some words off the top of my head... just going to trust spf right now, we're mindmelding, she seems legit. dya feels right to me, I want to see what they can do going forward. I need to actually interact with Dizzy at some point to make sure. sunbae I still have some misgivings on but I think he looked a lot better after I got to witness his gears turning in real time. Alison is the one I'm most torn on but for some reason I just believe her.

The reads below that I'm having a lot more trouble sorting. I'm seeing what I want to see with Zack, but I'm increasingly concerned that... it's by the numbers or something? I still think he's probably town but I couldn't keep him up there for some reason... really running out of time, gotta stop here I guess.

Strong town
nutella
spf

Moderate town
dya
Dizzy
sunbae
Alison

Upper POE - light town
Zack (bronana)
Vulgard
c4
Visor (outed wolf)
Marluxion
Amy
KZA

Lower POE
Arete
Hally
Gavial

i’m confused how you think kza is more villagery than me or arete

can you explain?

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:58 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:57 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:21 pm i’m keeping my vote on gavial

if he’s a villager that decided to not play the game and then lolcat with words and post stuff indistinguishable from anti-spew i can live with being wrong and will just say lolseth then move on with my life

i don’t want 48 more hours of whatever this is

I really really don't like that this is the optimal use of our day 1 yeet, but it probably just is, and let's just hope that the scummy behavior is in fact indicative.

[VOTE: Gavial] aubergine

I'm going to have to leave by like... 10am, which is now in less than 5 minutes, but I'll be back before EoD. I'll post an updated quick reads list thing and other thoughts in my next post.

what are your thoughts on alison currently?

Hally wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:21 pm i’m keeping my vote on gavial

if he’s a villager that decided to not play the game and then lolcat with words and post stuff indistinguishable from anti-spew i can live with being wrong and will just say lolseth then move on with my life

i don’t want 48 more hours of whatever this is

Vulgard wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:38 am
Tangrowth's posts keep flying past me and it's increasingly concerning to me.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:23 am i could get used to this pacing of games tbh

people not wall posting like crazy, still plenty of stuff in the thread

sunbae wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:08 am My hottest take after those pages is that Dya/Alison is v/v. I think Dya truly believes that Alison is a wolf for the way she's handled Gav and the other game. I also believe that Alison strongly believes that Gav is town. And these two thoughts are clashing past each other. I also think I entirely follow Dya's reasoning for pressing Alison over Gav and it's not some sinister "parters with Gav" thing where she's calling Gav a wolf but pushing Alison first. I think Dya is pushing Alison first because she thinks regardless of Gav's role, Alison is full of it here (either as teammates defending or as a wolf with tmi) and is more likely to flip W.

I feel ... medium ... confident about it

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:29 am i think that nutella, marluxion, vulgard, amy, tangy, and c4 is a pool of names that has one wolf maximum. that's my village core for today. starting to feel less confident with my solving in the people outside of that core, but this is a fine start

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:24 am

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:18 pm dyslexicon is posting how i post when i begrudgingly join a game because the player list looks fun, rand town, decide to just mess around, then find myself actually trying to solve things because i cant help myself and kinda hate myself for it a little but its too late im in now

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm gut reaction to this was its a series of posts a wolf makes because they think itll look towny

These were the two posts that pinged me from sunbae. I don't feel like sunbae is interested in these reads and just wanted to toss them out and move on. Compare this to their SPF read which they went in depth to and went back and forth with SPF about. I also don't really agree with the basis of the reads, insofar as I don't really get the impression sunbae's playstyle is similar enough to Dizzy's to really draw direct comparisons between their town entrances like that, and I definitely don't agree with the shade on Marl because I think Marl has been pretty townie and those posts aren't reflective of his scum play at all.

The other thing that bothers me about sunbae was their willingness to just let go of something they found townie about me once other people started scumreading me. If it was a gut or meta read, I could see it, but they had a fairly convoluted thought process/logic behind why they townread me, and they just went "oh well, everyone else hates her, I guess I'll throw that logic away".

sunbae isn't egregiously wolfy, but I've been pinged by at least a couple of their takes and I think they deserve more scrutiny.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 1:13 am

outed wolf wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:32 am what do you think of dya spf, specifically (not like you agree with arguments others make, whats your interpretation.thoughts on their posts)

i feel like dyachei came into this game with pre-packaged stances, and has spent the entirety of today reiterating them. their reads are reasonable and they come from a perspective that is logical for a villager to have - i just feel like something is missing wrt their reads developing and changing in a fluid way. dyachei's strongest townread is on tangygrowth, a read that was initially just described as tangy being "pure", and read that was later expanded upon to include the reasoning of: "her wallpost contained a lot of detail that wolves wouldn't think to write"

and like, yes, i agree that tangy is towny, but i don't feel like dyachei went on a ~journey~ to figure tangy out. i don't feel like dyachei went on a ~journey~ to figure alison out. their reads just kind of pop into existence, and i can't find any "turning points" in their ISO for when a read might have developed more strongly or more confidently. the surface level stuff is there, and it definitely looks good, but i just don't feel like the internal thought processes that villagers tend to have are reflected in dyachei's reads so far. they feel much more point A to point B to me

i've been struggling w/my read on dyachei because i greatly dislike the idea of pushing on them when theyre a villager, and i mindmelded with them earlier about c4 being villagery, but i've been getting pinged by them for a little while now

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:19 pm fwiw i think the general consensus that i’m meh at best and wolfy at worst is a fair assessment of my play so far and that v reading at this point would be kind of absurd

if anything i’m more sketched out by alison wanting to v read me for “good tone” and i don’t really believe she believes that

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:44 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:46 am

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:44 am

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:35 am What’s villagery about that Arete post, Hally?

i think the first paragraph re: you responding to arete and apologizing to them as though you had TMI that they’re a villager is a villagery thing for arete to think

it’s not unfakeable and i have no idea what their wolf range is, but it struck me as genuine

Thank you!

(More generally, to you or anyone) in the future thank you for answering any of my questions, I may not get around to expressing it due to the post cap.

As for the Alison thought, I don’t find it an unbelievable thing for Alison to genuinely think. She sometimes has some pretty strongly delivered takes that struck me as... notable (for lack of a better term) in a similar way.

is this a polite way of saying my reads are usually bad

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:04 pm Hey @Tangrowth, I read all the words in your wall, whether or not I absorbed any of it. I saw you wanted to figure out our reads differences, though. What reads you wanna sort out?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 pm Oh, that's right! @Tangrowth If you are town this will be our first game as the same alignment!!! I can barely contain my excitement or disappointment, depending!!!

Watch you being scum this game though lol. Watch the universe betray me.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:54 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:45 pm Arete, Hally, and Gavial all currently have votes of those in my POE. I'll vote Hally.

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

how’d you go from saying i was the person in your PoE you felt best about to voting me? did i misunderstand something?

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:13 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:10 pm i think that sunbae is a villager

one day ima play a game and get villager reads for my awesome thoughts and sick reads instead of being a chaotic mess thats just villagery

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:12 pm my urge to kill dyachei grows steadily

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm why is arete town?

I just get the sense they're the reasonable sounding wolf who is not actually that villagy once you step back and think about it

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:50 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:48 pm DIE LISSA DIE

lissa being so understanding made me feel worse than if she had been mad

she wasnt mad, just disappointed


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