The Syndicate

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Ah, dammit. Very well played, baddies!!

I actually felt proud of some of my performance here, but we really dropped the ball. DP got really lucky twice too!!

Very excellent game, Rox, and I'm so glad to have been a part of it!

At least you don't have to quit Mafia re: Hedge.

Thank you Roxy for a very fun romp- I loved my BTSC partners. You can't always get what you want, but sometimes you do anyway.

True! I'm glad I started to realize you were bad too, but damn, you guys really played a good game for sure.

Ah, dammit. Very well played, baddies!!

I actually felt proud of some of my performance here, but we really dropped the ball. DP got really lucky twice too!!

Very excellent game, Rox, and I'm so glad to have been a part of it!

Russtifinko wrote:Ugh, RIP Mongoose . Whether there are 2 or 3 baddies left, we are all in trouble big time. I hope we can have a nice big discussion come morning.

By the way, this does make me think there must be only 2 left. Perhaps Rox would keep the game going if civs were outnumbered, but only if there was vote manipulation, and we haven't seen any sign of civ vote manips yet (iirc this is the second time a civ has been lynched on a tied vote). I don't know if that means there are baddie manipulations, if baddies win ties automatically, or if we've had bad luck, but I think if someone dies tonight the game may well be over.

MovingPictures07 wrote:For what it's worth, I really don't think you're baddie. Mongoose MIGHT be, but I really don't think so. Epig and DP are possibilities. Hedge I'm almost sure is, though I'm trying to consider all the possibilities, and I'm still even nervous about her.

Thanks for making me a target, MP. This bit certainly could have waited until morning.

Agreed to the first part. And...

Well, what can I say? to the second.

Lol.

Hedgeowl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:It really bugs me the way this vote went down. I'm almost positive both DP and Mongoose are civvies, especially Mongoose, just based on the way this lynch went, and everything else in retrospect.

Epig has been slippery, almost too much. I really want to look back at his posts and examine them more.

I'd almost sig bet on Hedge being baddie. Her 'argument' today that Mongoose is baddie because she didn't vote in yesterday's poll and there was no kill last night was a HUGE stretch. Something I do NOT see her doing as a civvie.

Anyway, I have stuff to do now. I'll be back later tonight to see the result. Hopefully it's good, but unfortunately I don't think it will be.

Linki: Well, nevermind, there it is. That only convinces me. Hedge is DEFINITELY baddie. Epig very likely is, after this vote, or maybe it is DP...

RIP Mongoose! Sorry I was wrong about you.

I don't think my reasoning was a stretch at all. We just spent half of AG trying to peg down the SK based on missed votes and kills. In a small game like this that is pretty difficult to hide behind. I like to try and use what I consider actual evidence whenever possible and so far there has been very little to go on this game. Of course blocks etc are other possibilities, but I voted, based on what I thought was more solid evidence then all the cases being made against people.

Now if my tea smiley were here I could it plus this cause that's what I am about to do, plus a new box of delicious aloe tissues.

How is that a solid case? There more than a FEW blocks and protects floating around.

Seems like a logical fallacy big time to me.

Epignosis wrote: "Touche" means you acknowledge a blow. You clearly were not doing this.

What I was saying to you was that I will keep my mouth shut until the morrow. Then we can speak- hopefully.

Oh, I thought you were just playing your hand and refusing to speak. And I suppose my post should have been in orange. Lol.

Sure, sounds good to me. Bring it on.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I'm probably a dead sock walking.

This is a very unusual thing to say at Night.

Lol, perhaps. It's not going to change anyone's minds as to whether they kill me or not though. No response to my suspicion?

Nope.

Touche.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I'm probably a dead sock walking.

This is a very unusual thing to say at Night.

Lol, perhaps. It's not going to change anyone's minds as to whether they kill me or not though. No response to my suspicion?

Well, I'm probably a dead sock walking.

I am voting Hedge first thing tomorrow, assuming I live... though it might be too late. voted Keith

Anyway, seriously, have to go now!

RIP Mongoose

It really bugs me the way this vote went down. I'm almost positive both DP and Mongoose are civvies, especially Mongoose, just based on the way this lynch went, and everything else in retrospect.

Epig has been slippery, almost too much. I really want to look back at his posts and examine them more.

I'd almost sig bet on Hedge being baddie. Her 'argument' today that Mongoose is baddie because she didn't vote in yesterday's poll and there was no kill last night was a HUGE stretch. Something I do NOT see her doing as a civvie.

Anyway, I have stuff to do now. I'll be back later tonight to see the result. Hopefully it's good, but unfortunately I don't think it will be.

Linki: Well, nevermind, there it is. That only convinces me. Hedge is DEFINITELY baddie. Epig very likely is, after this vote, or maybe it is DP...

I honestly am starting to think this vote will end badly regardless and that Epig and Hedge might be the last two baddies. But what do I know?

Hedge - Your response is duly noted. If you are a civvie, please take my apologies. I still think you aren't though. If there is anything you still need to address, I will let you know.

I think it's weird Hedge concludes Mongoose must be bad because missed vote = no kill. I already said my theory on why there was no kill and that's that I believe it is heavily possible the killer was blocked last night. Even if not so and I am wrong, to conclude Mongoose is baddie based on that seems really fishy to me, especially since as I pointed out there are many blocks and protects going around. This only solidifies my viewpoint that Hedge is likely baddie.

I'm wondering if Epig is baddie instead of DP because he even said how strong of a candidate DP was, and now his weird switch of a vote onto Mongoose today makes me wonder. I guess more analysis can come after the result; I may be putting the cart before the horse.

And Russ, yes, it probably is unlike me. I literally just walked in the door and haven't done anything else. I didn't feel that strongly that you, Mongoose, or Epig were bad, and I seriously intended on just voting Hedge and not having to worry about the vote, especially since I knew I'd be busier. I've been working more on my PhD applications as well and it's taking longer than even anticipated, so I knew I wouldn't have hardly any time to discuss this Day 5 cycle. Additionally, I thought it was already well discussed that Hedge and DP seemed like good options, so when Epig comes in here and is all like, "This strikes me as ludicrous", when even he himself admitted DP's actions should have been examined under scrutiny earlier just seems weird to me. But anyway, I thought, I had to make a decision just in case I didn't get around to voting; I literally had only a few minutes this morning. So I just went with DP.

I honestly don't know about you, Mongoose, and Epig; none of you have really struck me as overtly baddie this game, but I've had plenty of my moments of paranoia and thinking you could be baddie -- but didn't want to say anything until I could back it up to myself with logic. Paranoia with no basis does nobody any good.

For what it's worth, I really don't think you're baddie. Mongoose MIGHT be, but I really don't think so. Epig and DP are possibilities. Hedge I'm almost sure is, though I'm trying to consider all the possibilities, and I'm still even nervous about her.

In a rush so I don't have more than like three minutes to type this up. I am out in the field this week starting today and the client's location is over an hour away, so I was afraid I wouldn't make it in time to come back (plus, when I'm in the office, I sit at my desk 99% of the time for lunch; when I'm out on audit, I do not). I've already explained why I've found DP suspicious, so the sudden finger pointing at me by Epig and Russ actually makes me re-think my vote, though I suppose I am far from confident in it as well.

I'm nervous because DP often plays like this and I can never read him.

As to Hedge, she just NO U'd back onto me.

I'm actually becoming more paranoid and starting to wonder if we are being played and that neither Hedge nor DP are baddie, but that leaves me all the way back at square one and I'm not even sure I'll be back at all before the vote ends -- probably unlikely.

Well, since I can't vote for Hedge, apparently... I guess I'll vote DP. It makes the most sense. I still don't feel that great about it though, here's hoping.

Mongoose wrote:Hmm. Very interesting turn of events.

Alex - do you wanna tell us your thoughts on the double no kill?

I'm gonna go ahead and vote DP early so I don't miss the vote. If he convinces me otherwise, or a sleeper creeper emerges before then, I'll be happy to change my vote.

Given the number of blocks going around here, and possibly even protects, I think it's very highly likely the killer was blocked at least one of those times, and if either of those times the killer was not blocked that the person targeted for the kill survived via a protect.

Mongoose wrote:

Mr. D wrote:Just as I suspected...

Mr. D, do you have any idea of why we've thankfully had two nights of no kills?

I have a theory.

Why is Hedge not on the poll?

I still really think she's bad.

Mongoose wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I don't think she's baddie because she escaped death. I think she's baddie because of what I said earlier. Her escaping death adds nothing to the case for me; I was already convinced.

Oh okay, thank you for clarifying that.

MovingPictures07 wrote: How is it weird? The baddies knew it would fail, why not go with it? In fact, it makes complete sense. Do you see a stronger case on anyone else right now, or do you disagree with mine? If so, why?

I agree with you on your analysis of DP certainly. I feel he is a stronger candidate. If he popped up bad, I think then we could analyze any possible BTS partners he may have.

I could go on and on about this, but I will try to distill my thoughts on Hedge to a very concise graf. As someone who has played the same amount of time as her (we signed up the same week, tra la la), I just feel she wouldn't err in the ways that her opponents have been insinuating. This ain't her first rodeo, as they say.

If I may bounce the ball back (aww I miss 4-square), what makes you (or any of you) feel that she is a better lynch candidate in comparison to DP?

Maybe you're right. I've felt this certain and been wrong (and right) before. That being said, I wouldn't argue she has erred; rather, I think she's played a good game.

Are you saying you strongly believe Hedge is civvie then or something else?

I feel the night actions combined with her refusal to discuss what S~V~S brought up was a weak vote make her a more compelling case than DP -- call it a conspiracy theory, if you will. DP's gameplay is like this A LOT; I have played many games with him. As a result, I'm always hesitant to lynch him, and I have a hard time reading him. But that doesn't make his actions any less suspicious, though perhaps you understand my train of thought then.

Mongoose wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Hey! I am alive! No one seems happy about this, but me. Then again literally everyone voted for me, except Mongoose . Seriously, think about it, why would everyone vote for me, unless either I was the last baddie alive and you are all on to me due to literally one statement SVS thinks was suspect or the baddies are scapegoating me or Mongoose and I are baddie teammates (omg that's never happened, but that would be the most fun ever! )

We are being played for sure and if someone dies tonight we will be in really bad shape tomorrow if there are 3 baddies left. They will control the lynch and I will be a prime target again wasting another lynch opportunity.

I am not sure if MP is genuine in his belief of me as baddie or whether DP jumped on that bandwagon too fast, but I suspect one of them is definitely bad. Will be watching them both closely.

sorry I haven't been more active this weekend , but I am now sick too. Blergh. Hope to recover soon.

Does anyone actually believe any of this?

Perhaps - a lot of roles have protect and block abilities - there are just as many civ-friendly reasons for her escaping death (if not more) than mafia-friendly. I think we've all been there: you survive a vote and then everyone thinks you are bad because you survived.

I do find it really weird that everyone voted for her; I'm not in a place where I can complain about voting records, but I find this thoroughly strange.

I don't think she's baddie because she escaped death. I think she's baddie because of what I said earlier. Her escaping death adds nothing to the case for me; I was already convinced.

How is it weird? The baddies knew it would fail, why not go with it? In fact, it makes complete sense. Do you see a stronger case on anyone else right now, or do you disagree with mine? If so, why?

Hedgeowl wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Hedgeowl wrote:Hey! I am alive! No one seems happy about this, but me. Then again literally everyone voted for me, except Mongoose . Seriously, think about it, why would everyone vote for me, unless either I was the last baddie alive and you are all on to me due to literally one statement SVS thinks was suspect or the baddies are scapegoating me or Mongoose and I are baddie teammates (omg that's never happened, but that would be the most fun ever! )

We are being played for sure and if someone dies tonight we will be in really bad shape tomorrow if there are 3 baddies left. They will control the lynch and I will be a prime target again wasting another lynch opportunity.

I am not sure if MP is genuine in his belief of me as baddie or whether DP jumped on that bandwagon too fast, but I suspect one of them is definitely bad. Will be watching them both closely.

sorry I haven't been more active this weekend , but I am now sick too. Blergh. Hope to recover soon.

Does anyone actually believe any of this?

That's a really strong statement considering how many things I said here. You are just going to discount all of it? Clearly everyone followed ÿour vote yesterday and we are to the point where just one more kill could allow the baddies to control the game. If you are so convinced I am bad and we can't dicuss it further then who else? If you are civ then at least we can talk about another baddie, since I don't even warrant discussion.

And that umlaut was totally on purpose so it stays.

Of course I'm going to discount all of it, you're lying through your teeth.

I think DP is most likely to be on your team... but that's just a guess and I'm really not sure.

If I'm wrong about Hedge, I should give up on mafia.

Hedgeowl wrote:Hey! I am alive! No one seems happy about this, but me. Then again literally everyone voted for me, except Mongoose . Seriously, think about it, why would everyone vote for me, unless either I was the last baddie alive and you are all on to me due to literally one statement SVS thinks was suspect or the baddies are scapegoating me or Mongoose and I are baddie teammates (omg that's never happened, but that would be the most fun ever! )

We are being played for sure and if someone dies tonight we will be in really bad shape tomorrow if there are 3 baddies left. They will control the lynch and I will be a prime target again wasting another lynch opportunity.

I am not sure if MP is genuine in his belief of me as baddie or whether DP jumped on that bandwagon too fast, but I suspect one of them is definitely bad. Will be watching them both closely.

sorry I haven't been more active this weekend , but I am now sick too. Blergh. Hope to recover soon.

Does anyone actually believe any of this?

Mongoose wrote:Sorry, dudes, I was in the hospital visiting a friend that was admitted and literally did not think about mafia all day until this moment. I woulda likely voted DP.

Why DP instead of Hedge?

Fuck, I should have known that'd be too easy.

Voting Hedge tomorrow, assuming I live through the night.

Bah, where is Mongoose? I want the result!

Russtifinko wrote:

Roxy wrote: someone who needed an Emotional Rescue sliced his throat. "Damn that felt good" the voice now sounding sweet and sing songy.

"Oh Fuck" a man said as he found a box ticking at his door.
***************Kablooey**********splat*******

Emotional stepped from the elevator just in time to be slapped in the face with someones brain tissue!

"Well I did feel better for a second..."

Teeth is dead. Llama has been exploded and dead.

MP, I think Llama was bad because of the quotes I highlighted. The Emotional killed BWT, felt good, and then stepped out of the elevator and didn't feel good after seeing llama explode. It just doesn't read right to me that a serial killer would be happy one person died, but sad to see another one die right after, unless there was some reason. It read to me as if llama were the killer's teammate. If so, we still have a fighting chance.

And thanks for elaborating here. That's true, very well could be possible. I wasn't reading it necessarily because he knew it was llama who died, rather that he just hates being hit with someone's brain tissue. Hopefully llama was bad one way or the other.

I do agree that llama was looking baddie; I actually was thinking about it last night before he died and was starting to become more convinced he was. I'm going to put him as a ??? though since we don't know for sure.

I feel really, really good about this lynch. If Hedge doesn't flip baddie, we're boned anyway.

I agree DP seems the best way to go, but the other baddie could be you, Epig, or Mongoose, purely from a numbers standpoint, so I am a bit cautious about blindly leading DP to his death just on the off chance there's something going on here. That said, I haven't really thought any of you seemed that baddie though.

Hedgeowl wrote:I disagreed with SVS that is was a contradiction. Just because she read it that way doesn't mean it's true. It's a very convenient case for baddies to make against me and then kill not one but two people who obviously suspect me and only me and then insanify me to boot! Seems a little too cut and dry to me and I urge others to consider their votes carefully at this point. We are very close to losing this game if llama was not a baddie. This lynch could make all the difference.

I suspect there has been a very careful manipulation and drive against me. I am not sure who to vote between DP and MP, but feel that MP has moved the hardest to push the "case" on me based on one statement. I unfortunately have to run and am visiting family this weekend. So I will vote now.

votes MP

Linki- ugh got called away before you voted. Oh well...it's been fun guys!

Lol, nice try. Thankfully, the only thing you've done with this post is convince me even more you're likely baddie.

That doesn't make me any less nervous though.

In fact, let's think about this:

Hedgeowl CLEARLY contradicted herself when it came to Lizzy, then voted Lizzy.

Then S~V~S, who called her out on it and voted for her, dies.

Hedgeowl is then insanified for the next day, with absolutely convenient timing if you ask me, and she only gets one vote: from BWT. Then BWT dies, along with llama in some weird explosion, and now we're down to 6 players and it could be that we still even have 3 baddies left. Maybe 2. It would make the most sense to kill those who oppose you, especially in such a small setting.

Then, the kicker, Hedgeowl refuses to address the points brought against her.

Seems like enough to me. Since I'm not sure what the rest of my day holds and there's no way I'm missing this poll, I'll vote now. Would have preferred to hear from others first though...

votes Hedgeowl

Lest we forget BWT voted Hedge last poll...

And Hedge clearly had a chance to elaborate there with her previous post yet chose not to do so.

I am so tempted to just vote her right now. I can't imagine a scenario where she's good.

Yikes!!

RIPIYWG BWT and Llama.

Russ, I definitely agree BWT was killed by the mafia, but it seems llama was exploded, but I can't tell whether it was by civvie, baddie, or whatever. Can you elaborate why you think llama was bad? I must be reading it differently.

I'm definitely voting for DP or Hedge. What do others think?

Last post for now, I swear.

I, for one, heavily anticipate voting for Hedgeowl tomorrow, though I want to hear what she has to say.

voted car

Wow. That SUCKS. RIP juliets, was great to play with you again, and sorry to see you go.

From a numbers standpoint, this is terrible. 3 players have died, all civvies. Assuming 3 baddies and 1 independent, that's 5 civvies, and BEFORE tonight, which means we might be down to 4 after this night period. Which means we cannot afford to lynch a civvie tomorrow... Can everyone please name who they are most eyeing currently in light of the most recent development?

As to your theory about Russ, Epig, I find it very intriguing. It's a possibility.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Shit. That sucks so bad. It still says 6:52 on my computer. Grrrrr.

Well, I honestly don't know who I would have voted, still.

Sounds like someone needs to change their settings to show the seconds in the time for each post. It's helped keep me from missing votes.

Lol, yes, I am doing that now... Didn't think I'd need to, ironically, haha.

Well, whatever. Guess there's nothing I can do. Sorry Rox for missing it. I even stuck around here longer so I could make it.

I guess I'm leaving now, be back whenever I'm done driving and such. Hopefully we'll have a good result.

Shit. That sucks so bad. It still says 6:52 on my computer. Grrrrr.

Well, I honestly don't know who I would have voted, still.

NOOOO! Just missed the poll. That's what I get for being indecisive.

Oh man, 2 votes for DP and 2 for juliets. I feel like there's something going on here, I just don't know what.

Not sure I want to be the deciding factor here. Surely I can't be the only one wanting to discuss this out?

juliets's behavior and voting history do seem pretty bad, especially if DP flips civvie. But she's been reading civvie to me overall... And I keep wondering who is directing this thread nefariously, so I'm hesitant to jump any which way.

I may follow you with that, Epig, but I'm going to wait this out. I may not.

Epignosis wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm sorry, I had to just vote in a hurry my games post is coming up. DP was the only one who pinged me so thats where I voted.

Now that's interesting right there.

I agree, that vote really bothers me for some reason.

Ugh, I feel like a DP vote is such a cop out, feels like Lizzy all over again. But he could definitely be a baddie... it just bothers me because it seems we might very well have a repeat of Day 2 and he plays like this really often.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I was in trouble last day period? I wasn't aware of that.

Precision in language. I said, "may have been in trouble."

Oh, got it! My bad, didn't see that distinction.

BWT, look forward to your thoughts when you're finished.

I was in trouble last day period? I wasn't aware of that.

Epignosis wrote:

Russtifinko wrote:juliets, I actually feel worst about Epi right now. That's almost purely gut feeling. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a particular action that has pinged me.

However, I am still worried my fears of him are based too much on Bioshock and not enough on Rolling Stones, and I'd hate to lynch him if he's not bad. If I don't go for Epi, you and DP seem the obvious candidates. I'm not as sure as I'd like to be about any of the 3 of you, but I am absolutely committed to voting for someone in this poll, and no other names have truly caught my eye so far.

If it's your gut, there's nothing I can really say (except suggest a bicarb?).

I feel the strongest about juliets and (by extension) Disgruntled Porcupine. And yet uneasy about voting for either.

I understand that completely. Thanks for your thoughts.

Actually, going to leave again, but I'll be back before the vote is over.

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:If I don't hear from anyone else soon, I will spam the thread.

And this is a threat...how exactly?

It's not, really. Lol.

Whom are you going to vote, Robert?

If I don't hear from anyone else soon, I will spam the thread.

No new posts? Crap.

Well, I'll still be here, going to be back in like 10-20 minutes.

Alright, just got home from work. Going to be out of town this weekend, but will still have my laptop and internet access. I am getting ready and multitasking, but I'll hold off on my vote until a bit later because I'm still unsure.

I find it sort of convenient that Hedgeowl is insanified, the night after S~V~S was killed, especially given how strongly S~V~S felt about her.

Sure, DP is acting illogically and isn't really around and is being blendy, but he plays that way a lot. I frankly can never read him. That said, I may still vote him. I don't know. I feel like it is kind of a cop out vote right now though.

I'll likely vote for Hedge, Llama, or DP currently. Hedge because of what I've said about her, Llama because I think it's also possible he wanted to shut up an opponent and I was starting to think one of the two might be baddie, and DP given his blendiness.

Juliets has made me feel better, but I always read her intentions as civvie, so my paranoia in that regard remains.

Ugh, can I have some discussion here? I feel like this vote could end badly with people just popping in like Day 2; I'd rather it not.

Linki: Russ. Can you elaborate any more about Epig per chance?

thellama73 wrote:I reread hedge, and DP (I do not think juliets is bad) and I'm not seeing enough in either of them to deter my intentions. Hope you enjoy my vote, MP!

Hope you enjoy being wrong!

thellama73 wrote:I do think all the Lizzy voters are suspicious. The way that bandwagon shaped up was really weird. But I still blame you for starting it. :P

I agree entirely with you, and I can even see how you find me suspicious... I actually in fact believe my actions are more seemingly suspicious when I'm a civvie because I suck at being a civvie.

All of that being said, if you are a civvie, reconsider things here. I'm not bad.

You think all of the voters are suspicious, why? I do agree it was a terrible bandwagon and it's worthy of suspicion. Lizzy was lynched due to miscommunication. Unfortunately, more players get lynched in mafia games due to that than to actual nefarious reasons, but it happens. And as much as I hate to say it, civvies can often be totally clueless and may agree that a certain line of thinking makes sense and jump on a bandwagon themselves. How do you differentiate?

Not every civvie acts in the most logical way possible. Actually, far from it, and I'll be the first to admit that at times, it's something I've been trying to watch in myself and in others. So what if most Lizzy voters were civvies? I'm not saying I think they are, just playing a bit of devil's advocate here and trying to get more discussion going.

Lest we forget also that Hedgeowl's vote for Lizzy was incredibly blendy and that she contradicted herself (something that S~V~S pointed out).

I think I might actually go her way now, tbh. I have to leave to go back to work in 10 minutes. Going to think about it. Want to hear what others have to say.

I did think that it's possible baddies were trying to frame Hedgeowl, but why do that? No one has even talked about her, really. I mentioned her a bit just before and there was a little bit of discussion, but she is far from the main topic right now.