The Syndicate

Congrats to the winners! Well played by the mafia. I felt weird about dunya and Sloonei too but let them go for too long. They earned it.

Bummer.

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:17 pm What’s a tree stump exactly? Similar to an innocent child?
uhhh yea. he's town. he cant vote, be killed or be lynched.

Got it thanks.

What’s a tree stump exactly? Similar to an innocent child?

I’m not sure Quin is bad but I’m cool with lunching anyone not in my town reads of my PoE right now, and so that means I would rather not see a dunya or Marmot result.

Where should I vote? Why is Marmot leading?

dunya wrote: ↑Sat May 12, 2018 7:08 pm @M Plus 7 is here.

GTH who's bad and who's good.

Kyle
Quin
wolbre

out of those three.

Town, mafia, town

Hey, sorry all, I actually forgot we had an eod today! I am losing track of my days. Daisy’s sister is in town until tomorrow morning and I’ve been busy catching up on chores and trying to stay away from the computer because ive been at it so much lately. I’ll finally be able to get reintegrated properly here this coming week.

For now I need to vote and run.

Just turned in my dissertation. Two weeks from today it’ll be finalized and four weeks from today I’ll be defending it.

Sorry all, gotta get this dissertation done. I’ll be back this weekend.

Well, fuck.

I would guess you have the incorrect daylight savings option.

And I'm showing an hour and a half myself.

Sorry all, between dissertation edits and unfortunately getting sick, I've been out of it. I'll be pretty useless until Friday, but I'll make sure to cast a vote.

So I just received my dissertation back and it's a mad dash to make changes before Friday. So close to the end.

This means though that I'll be lurking pretty hard this week, sorry. I'll do what I can.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:05 am so what can we do tomorrow if I am alive? am I allowed to defend myself and do more isos without implying whether or not I'll be voting for that person?

I think we're OK as long as we don't hint too strongly at our votes.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:03 am who should I iso first?

i don't wanna spend my time defending myself before end of night, sorry Quin (I see your ISO of me on this page). if I'm still alive tomorrow, I'll get to that.

nova or Scotty maybe?

dunya wrote: ↑Mon May 07, 2018 8:00 am hell yeah! I knew this was FE speed.

I apologize for not voting yesterday guys. I had a flight back home (which was already postponed a few days because of air france strikes) then delayed and further train and bus delays. Took over 16hrs. I couldn't move my body after my shower.

I am back home! (and at work already) but I have loads more time for catchup and playing now!

Welcome back, hope you enjoyed the trip despite the craziness.

I'm willing to re-consider nova; I think it's prudent that we all reassess as many players as possible right now. I'm busy, but I'll see what analysis I can do as well before the deadline.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 10:44 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 7:37 pm Well done, everyone!

And looking forward to playing with you again, speed.

I'd say, given that mechanic for Day 6, we intend on voting Nova and being unified in it. We should discuss it over the Night though.
Why me ? I'd think Speed's flip shows that we are not teammates and that the wagon on me was a counter-wagon to Speed's in order to save him. You and Scotty are good ones for D6.

Explain?

Well done, everyone!

And looking forward to playing with you again, speed.

I'd say, given that mechanic for Day 6, we intend on voting Nova and being unified in it. We should discuss it over the Night though.

Switching back to [VOTE: SPEEDCHUCK] aubergine. Either lynch is fine, but I feel slightly better about this one.

I'll switch to nova for now. I'd like to see what he has to say.

[VOTE: NOVA] aubergine

I'll be back well in time for the deadline.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:27 pm Tinfoil: jack is indie, has been communicating anonymously with the leader of the Persians, speed. He’s since figured out speed’s identity, since the leader of the Athenians is already dead. He’s since joined town and is selling out speed

That is some heavy tinfoil there. I guess possible though.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:27 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:19 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:15 pm Why do you think Quin is bad?
Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.
Well, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I don't have a reason to scum read him either really, but here we are.
I guess it's more of a meta-read then.

He's not even in the IDGAF crowd. He's just invisible. I try to pay attention to the flow of the game, and the way people are playing it, over 'scumtells.' That's where my 3P read on Jack comes from. Quin is just playing invisible, and that's something I'd expect from scum, and definitely not from town Quin.

That's why your 'flow' irked me in the moment when you jerked the Marmot rug out from under me right after explaining why he was metatown. Most of your other content has been decent.

That's how I read nowadays. I don't have time to play like I did in Phenon a year ago.

Got it, thanks.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:25 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:21 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:20 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:57 pm I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.
Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?
Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.
What specifically is town as hell about my play this game?
Interrogations like this one here, your passion when you came into the thread to change the course of our lynch yesterday, your general thread presence. You’re dangling your town parts in the thread every time you wander in and challenging people with them.

You're god damn right.

But seriously, thanks for elaborating.

What is your current reads list?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:23 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:23 pm Jack, can you expand on your read of Sloonei some more? You said "Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.", but I'm trying to figure out how you mean he feels town.
Gut/tone.

Got it, thanks. Any post(s) in particular that are inspiring that reaction, or just a general perception?

Jack, can you expand on your read of Sloonei some more? You said "Sloonei feels town and by POE is veeeery unlikely to be bad. Someone said he had Colin links but eh.", but I'm trying to figure out how you mean he feels town.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:20 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:57 pm I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.
Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?
Because you’re town as hell, and because people were talkng about the possibility of you not being town.

What specifically is town as hell about my play this game?

I want to make it clear I'm listening to and considering what you're saying, speed. I want to avoid a mislynch as much as the next townie. I'm thinking it over.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:18 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 3:15 pm Why do you think Quin is bad?
Usually Quin is my first townread in a game. I usually see a genuine spark of towniness from him early. But in this game, I'm hard-pressed to say that he's had any impact on me one way or another. I have zero reason to read him as town.

Well, I pretty much feel the exact same way. I don't have a reason to scum read him either really, but here we are.

speed, what do you think of Sloonei?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:57 pm I’m not entertaining the idea of voting for MP today.

Why? And what prompted this declaration specifically?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:42 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:38 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:38 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:34 pm i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy
I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.
lol I don’t feel inspired to get you to move
Same here, and I feel bad about it.

It's like when you set aside time for homework and all you wanna do is play video games. I'm pretty sure that if I don't get lynched today, I'll get lynched tomorrow. The only alternative on the menu that I think is scummy is Jack. MP's not on the menu. Quin's probably not on the menu, and it would take like an hour of work to get him on there.

Why do you think Quin is bad?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:38 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:33 pm Speed, you also keep calling me a scum read for a while now. I have no idea why you’re doing that. You cited, to my recollection, one reason prior to “twisting” your words today, and that was for my change in opinion of Marmot. You did not elaborate on how that makes me bad.

Your reads are the opposite of transparent; please elaborate more.
You went from "I have a solid reason why Marmot is meta good, and I cannot see him being bad" to "Okay, maybe Marmot is bad" in like, 2 hours. He didn't even do anything.

It's off. THAT read is the opposite of transparent.
And then you're basically forcing me into defense mode today, which is all fun and good until you complain about it. I've harped on this over and over again. Don't send a person into the leading lynch train and then complain when they defend themselves. Human psychology doesn't work like that.

If you aren't sure what's inspiring a read of mine, just ask. I can explain it. I can't recall exactly which two posts to which you're referring, but I've been torn on Marmot all game and continuously been considering various factors. There was one post he made in particular that pinged me strong and made me think he was bad, but then I walked back from it realizing I was probably overreacting. Not sure if that's what you're referencing or not.

And the best defense to convince anyone you're town is to hunt, not to defend yourself.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:34 pm i feel most comfortable after negotiation with the voices in my head with nova getting lynched, then speed. But I feel like it would be asking a lot of the 6 people on speed’s train to switch and I don’t really feel like I have any footing to defend speed with any confidence so.

Just for shits. (Turnip, don’t think jack is taking off today anyway)

[VOTE: Nova] aubergine

I’ll keep the nova train healthy

I’m still thinking over everything. I don’t want to railroad speed but at the same time I don’t feel inspired to move.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:33 pm
M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:30 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:27 pm Funny enough, it's the three scumreads on my list that are twisting my words the most.

MP: All Speedchuck cares about is warning us about LYLO. (No, that was in the context of Jack's possible motives)
You’re twisting my words right now.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 10:12 am speed's posts do nothing but convince me he's bad. His line of defense is continued "it's going to be LYLO" if you lynch me. He does hardly anything to hunt or explain his reads.

speed, if you're town, hunt. Stop saying it'll be LYLO. I don't give a shit about that. I give a shit about your reads.

Where did I say that’s all you care about? This is semantics, but I didn’t say that. I said you keep using it as a defense, and you hardly care about hunting.

Speed, you also keep calling me a scum read for a while now. I have no idea why you’re doing that. You cited, to my recollection, one reason prior to “twisting” your words today, and that was for my change in opinion of Marmot. You did not elaborate on how that makes me bad.

Your reads are the opposite of transparent; please elaborate more.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 2:27 pm Funny enough, it's the three scumreads on my list that are twisting my words the most.

MP: All Speedchuck cares about is warning us about LYLO. (No, that was in the context of Jack's possible motives)
Jack: Speed knows I'm not scum, so he must be scum. (No, I know he's PLAYING like a 3P. Which could be an easy scum move, or he could actually be 3P. Not town.)
Scotty: Here are Chuck's defenses of people. I'm going to pick out which ones are town buddying or which ones are scum defenses. (Actually, since this is planning for after I 'flip scum'... Scotty either doesn't know my alignment and has good intentions, or he's doing a great job of faking it. I lean former. Go Scotty.)

You’re twisting my words right now.

Stop defending yourself. Hunt for scum. Your half-assed baddie reads of Jack, TH, and me are unconvincing. “I put out a list earlier”. You’re about to die. Your life depends on hunting for scum. You said you play best under pressure. That’s the best you got?

I'll be back later with the intent of actually starting some investigation (I keep saying it but can't get around to it, it seems). For now I have to return to other matters.

Despite the strong cases forming, I'd suggest that you all keep doing that awesome investigative work to keep us from getting complacent.

Actually, thinking about it again off the top of my head, speed/nova/Sloonei might be the most likely if speed and nova specifically are both bad. I don't know though. Definitely requires investigation to see how the three of them have treated each other.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 10:24 am Would quin really be phoning it in this much if he's bad? Serious question i spose

I don't think so? That's what I'm struggling with. I can't see this as town Quin either though. I'd guess he's 3P.

If nova and speed are bad, I'm not really sure at all who the third person would be. I suppose it requires some digging to see who's teammate compatible and indicative with the lot of them.

On the chance speed is town, it would behoove him and the rest of town greatly for him to come in here with the biggest flame up his ass imaginable and expand upon reads with the utmost urgency. Otherwise, my vote stays.

GTH baddie teams from most to least likely:

speed / nova / Quin
speed / nova / Sloonei
speed / nova / wolbre
speed / nova / Scotty
speed / nova / Marmot
speed / nova / Choutas
speed / nova / cbob
speed / Quin / Sloonei
nova / Quin / Sloonei
speed / Sloonei / Scotty

There are plenty of other possibilities, but top 10 seems like enough. It'd be really interesting to explore these as possible teammates and do some interaction analyses, but perhaps it should wait until we have a confirmed flip.

Day 5 MP Rainbow:

Strong town:
dunya
Jackofhearts2005
Spacedaisy

Moderate town:
Kylemii
Turnip Head

Slight town:
colonialbob
Marmot
Scotty

Very slight town:
Choutas
wolbre04

Very slight mafia:
Sloonei

Slight mafia:
Quin

Moderate mafia:
novaselinenever

Strong mafia:
speedchuck

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun May 06, 2018 10:11 am If MP and Daisy are bad together we are so fucking screwed

is what the little voice in the back of my head is saying

How I wish that were true.

speed's posts do nothing but convince me he's bad. His line of defense is continued "it's going to be LYLO" if you lynch me. He does hardly anything to hunt or explain his reads.

speed, if you're town, hunt. Stop saying it'll be LYLO. I don't give a shit about that. I give a shit about your reads.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat May 05, 2018 4:19 pm I'm comfortable with Speedchuck or Nova lynch today. Speedchuckk heavily defended Nova. It could mean he either knew too much and was defending someone he knew was civ or it could possibly be defending a teammate.

I'm with you. I'd prioritize speedchuck based on that logic and also the points that you and Jack raised. I suppose there is also a little doubt regarding Nova's tunneling of you being genuine, but I still think he's not.

[VOTE: SPEEDCHUCK] aubergine

Upon reflection, suddenly a lot of speedchuck's behavior this game makes more sense if he's mafia than town.

- His continued defense of Luna (it'd be because he knew she was town)
- His weird handling of Colin
- His going after low-hanging fruit and getting upset over unconventional townplay (I've been known to harp on this more as a baddie as well)
- His generally hidden presence where he's contributing just enough to skate by but never really pursuing anyone or anything with any conviction
etc.

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