The Syndicate

EBWOP: I was wondering who the A Team was all along and I thought it was probably someone not playing the game but who obviously knew the community. Makes sense that it was Rox but I wouldn't have guessed it.

Mystery roles are fun!

I think my favorite thing like that I've ever done was in Avant 1 when I had a secret fifth team (The Residents) and people had no idea (while players kept dying at the hands of a ???? killer, turns out it was three cursers/killers). Totally blew minds when it was revealed.

Sure, you can play a mafia game with no complexities or hidden aspects, but often times I would ask, where's the fun in that?

reywaS wrote:

juliets wrote:

reywaS wrote:I thought juliets was civ for sure...well played. I had major doubts about Dex, though, toward the end. We tried to kill Dex one night before MP and Vomp were lynched.

It just so happened that we used our one time only team protection the night you tried to kill Dex. We were very lucky.

The night you guys killed me, I was going to use my protection but I changed my mind at the last minute.

Oh man, I didn't know that! LOL. That sucks big time.

juliets wrote:

reywaS wrote:I thought juliets was civ for sure...well played. I had major doubts about Dex, though, toward the end. We tried to kill Dex one night before MP and Vomp were lynched.

It just so happened that we used our one time only team protection the night you tried to kill Dex. We were very lucky.

I wondered what happened there; that makes sense. Nice call on that one, lol.

Russtifinko wrote:Ouch. Thanks so much for the game, S~V~S! It was a lot of fun. I was thinking playing a smaller one was helping me get a feel for mafia, but that seems to have not been the case at all.

And I must say, you played an awesome game, so don't beat yourself up over it. I think you've taken to it really well out of the gate (same goes for Snow Dog), so props to both of you.

I almost recruited you instead of reywaS but I wasn't 100% sure you were civvie at the time and I was pretty sure reywaS was, so that's what made my decision.

As soon as Vomps put his vote to save me, I knew we were sunk, but I was hoping we could get out of it. Recruiting reywaS was the only slim chance of hope and then I saw he was NKed and I was like LOL.

MOTU really took the game out of me and I thought I could play well as a baddie here, but apparently not so much.

Awesome game! We got screwed, especially when reywaS was killed, but it was a ton of fun.

You know, juliets, for some reason my gut kept wondering if you were a baddie this game but I couldn't convince myself to say anything --- and it wouldn't have mattered since I was on a fast track to getting lynched anyway. Definitely well played to you and Dex (and Kate and BWT) on this one. And to the civvies who didn't win, great play there as well, I actually thought you guys might have won!

I want a rezz please

LittleTiger wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Russ, here is the spreadsheet I stole from Tranq in my first game. I'm sure FH has a good one as well (in fact I'd be curious what hers is like).

LOL! That is my template

Is it? LOL, nice. I guess Tranq stole it from you, haha.

Russ, here is the spreadsheet I stole from Tranq in my first game. I'm sure FH has a good one as well (in fact I'd be curious what hers is like).

juliets wrote:I have to go ahead and vote so i can start getting ready for jeopardy. I appreciate your reply MP and I wish I could say my uneasiness is gone but it's not. I'm voting MP


Also MP, you're probably too mad at me to care but the CE's I am doing are to keep my Senior Professional Human Resources certificate from expiring. I procrastinated and now have to do about 30 courses in about 2 1/2 months. I will be doing this everyday.

I'm certainly not too mad to care! Never.

Oh, okay, awesome! How are the courses set up; do you access all of them online I assume?

Also, I just want to say, I was never really that upset or anything, so no worries. Apparently, I need to seriously examine my poor performance this game because this was not one of my finer exits.

Russ, I swear I'll get you the spreadsheet, but I have to go eat dinner and such (we're having pizza) and I've had a busier day than expected, so when I come back to study again, I'll upload my blank one to rapidshare or something and link it to you here.

Well, I'm boned, so it doesn't matter -- but I'm voting llama.

Russtifinko wrote:Hey LT, I just noticed that when I try to link to your spreadsheet, the site says I don't have the required permissions to download it. Could you attach the file to this forum, or could MP post his spreadsheet?

I'm in the midst of studying but I'll get it to you tonight for sure, that way you can try and check out/use either or both or what have you.

Kate wrote:What do you think of INH/LT 2.0, Snow Dog, llama, Dex, AATB, etc.? I would like to catch a baddie today and I do value your (and others') input, for whatever it is worth.

Snow Dog seems a bit lost, much more so than last game so I'm thinking civ on him. Llama seems the same to me as last game so far so I'm leaning civ on him as well.

Dex and AATB, I think I have played one game with each of them so have not got much of a read on either.

These may change if I go back and see who each voted for yesterday.

I know you don't want to hear this, but with what I have mentioned before and the way the lynch went down day one, I think you are baddie and the best way for us to get info on who the others are.

I agree with Snow Dog. You've only played one game with Dex? Surprising, but I guess possible.

No, I don't want to hear it, and I'm sad to say you're wrong. It's very disappointing, I was really enjoying this game. I guess I could still survive, but it seems very doubtful now that I already have 5 votes.

juliets wrote:I continue to be uneasy about MP. The anger after finding out votes were going his way just seemed out of character, more like he staged it to seem like a frustrated civv. MP, I won't vote for you without listening to your response to this.

And now like MP I have to go do a course or 2 for my own certification.

Why would I stage that? I was very frustrated to come into the thread and see that everyone voted me out of nowhere, and it looks like I'm being steamrolled again today.

What are you working towards currently, if you don't mind me asking?

LittleTiger wrote:Well, I really don't like the pulling of quotes from other games to be used as a defense position in a current game. I mean, what is the point? This is a new game, different site and we all know, by now, that MP can lie his arse off. Better to defend using actions in THIS game, imo.

As for INH, now that I know what role he was, I am pretty shocked that he voted to lynch me! I was all set to come back and go after him & llama in a big way, tbh.

My top suspect is llamaboy as I said, but MP's posts are really pinging me now.

And I haven't defended from this game as well? Man, my words are really being twisted. I only added the other game stuff because people are arguing that I'm bad based on a series of my actions observable during OTHER GAMES.

Dex wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:EBWOP: Basically, apparently, Kate, what I'm doing right now as a civvie STILL isn't convincing some people, which boggles my mind.

Either that or Dex is suspicion mongering, I'm not sure which, because I don't know his intentions.

My intentions, good sir, are to see you lynched.

The sequence of events seems pretty clear to me. First you start to try and drum up negative sentiment against Roxy. After civic-minded people come to her defense and turn the tables on you, your - public - opinion of Roxy does a 180 quicker than a politician caught with his pants down. Night falls and, lo and behold, it's Roxy who dies.

I think the musician in you really likes the hits, man.

*votes MP*

I'm going to watch how this vote goes down very carefully, and encourage my fellow civs to do the same.

If your intentions are get to me lynched, then you are definitely very misguided or you are flat out baddie this game. Everyone, please lynch Dex next if I do get lynched today.

I did not kill Rox and it was pretty evident to me she was civvie after her stream of posts. I was very much doubting her because she kept coming after me and making these really weird theories that, AT THAT TIME, I did not understand. I now understand given occurrences that I cannot state in here I believe. Others should know what I'm talking about.

Fellow civs my ass.

Why all the early votes? It will soon be very evident what's going on here and that the baddies are controlling this game.

Kate wrote:MP, it strikes me that you were upset that people were judging you by other games played with you (I can't remember if it is this game or the other going on) but now you pull quotes from a past civ game?

Are you serious right now? Your arguments against me being bad are ALL explanations on what I typically do as a baddie.

Oops, i had a little bit of quote fail in there.

This part: "Now I came back to find that I had survived, thankfully, but that I did receive votes. Because day was over and I didn't die AND because my vote in that game honestly made less sense than my votes in this one, I was less frustrated than here." is my commentary THIS game. That should not be included in the quotes.

ANyway, be back later.

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, this is great, thanks everyone. Way to give me a chance to defend myself.

I say one thing about how I think Rox might be worth a vote, I didn't even vote her, and the thread descends to hell. It seems evident to me NOW that Rox is probably civvie, that she and I are bickering in a civ-on-civ manner, and that INH is probably bad.

This is bullshit.

Also, here is some anger from day one. This doesn't read frustrated civvie to me. It reads baddie caught.

Read it however you want, but it is frustrated civvie.

Actually, just because it was the most recent game I was civvie and I nearly got lynched Day 1 in that game as well and I have referenced it, I pulled a few quotes from D1 Futurama. If anyone recalls, I also was looked at as being suspicious and thereafter being on MR F/YLP's team because he was the only one who believed me.

MovingPictures07 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:42 pm wrote:

S~V~S » Wed Nov 07, 2012 5:55 pm wrote:Hmmm, all the discussion DOES seem to be about fandomizing now, doesn't it?

And actually, on the rare occasion I do go random, it is usually between a pool of players, like everyone who voted for a certain person or option, or everyone who agreed to a particular plan or whatever.

I am not sure what the problem would be with that, it is better than straight random (I can't wait for MP to join this discussion :politegiggle: )

I've given up trying to convince anyone that randomizing is completely uncivvie; however, I don't find it any less suspicious.

Way too many wasted arguments and unnecessary lynchings of me (particularly while I was civvie) under my belt to argue it incredibly hard anymore.

Looks like the main heat is from Rey and Golden, with a bit from Kate and Rox, but I didn't gather anything notable in any of their posting behavior yet, not sure if anyone else has?

Also, on the DD note, it's very like DD to speculate (like someone said, pulling an LC, can't remember who that was), so I didn't find that particularly uncharacteristic or telling.

Here is my second post in that game after a first post of pretty much just yay game and all that stuff.

MovingPictures07 » Wed Nov 07, 2012 8:32 pm wrote:

YourLittlePony » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:25 pm wrote:I always think Golden is bad. But he usually isn't.

And yeah, Rey was a big meanie head in Survivor.

Also, some of you know this, but my work just picked up crazy like so I won't be here as much as usual. I know, I know, I can imagine all of you crying over this news, but what can you do?

MP, seems like you don't want to talk about it, but what's wrong with randoming day 1?

I can't stand randomizing; all it does is breed ways for vote manipulation by baddies, I've always thought that. Even having 0.001% confidence or logic in voting for someone makes more sense to me than randomizing because all a civvie is doing by randomizing is saying "I am going to 'randomly' pick from this list of names and hope for the best", which is a terrible attitude towards trying to catch a baddie. Chances are, any semblance of any suspicion whatsoever is a better bet than randomizing -- Not only that, but randomizing is the easy way out. It completely absolves the individual (particularly on Day 1) for taking any responsibility in contributing to discussion or having independent thoughts of their own. Rather, they can cop out and say they are going to randomize, and then thereafter shrug off responsibility for their vote saying, Well, all I did was randomize, there was no legitimate opinion of mine there whatsoever. It completely absolves responsibility, and consequently makes a fantastic cover for baddies just voting for anyone other than their team and not having it traced, and also for civvies and players in general not participating to the full extent that they probably should. It's a huge mafia pet peeve of mine.

Hopefully that made sense; perhaps it was a bit convoluted or redundant but I have argued against randomizing many, many times in the past. I realize there are also scenarios where people may genuinely have absolutely no idea who to vote for and haven't had time to catch up, and I understand that -- but I still despise randomizing for the reasons stated previously -- and you'll never catch me randomizing in a game.

Here is my third. Sound familiar? Although it seems I felt more verbose explaining it in Futurama.

MovingPictures07 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:00 am wrote:I have to vote now as I have a busy day at work and then night class.

I voted FourofShades, only because I don't feel confident around the main players at the moment, despite that I'm not agreeing they look overly civvie -- it's hard to say what any of them are at this point. I don't remember anything from FoS other than one post which hardly had anything to say.

Then I had to vote early and be the first one to vote. I took a TON of heat for this.

MovingPictures07 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:39 pm wrote:This is interesting, actually. I appreciate those who have pointed out that the arguments against me are a bunch of fabricated BS, because that's what they are -- either that or some are just not understanding my train of thought. Personally it might be a mix of both, but I find it funny that I am getting all of the attention, and then YLP is brought up as suspicious for seeing my POV. Since when is that defending anyone?

Timmer » Fri Nov 09, 2012 11:32 am wrote:

MovingPictures07 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 4:00 am wrote:I have to vote now as I have a busy day at work and then night class.

I voted FourofShades, only because I don't feel confident around the main players at the moment, despite that I'm not agreeing they look overly civvie -- it's hard to say what any of them are at this point. I don't remember anything from FoS other than one post which hardly had anything to say.

I'll try to better explain why I'm pinged by MP before I run off to work.

Here is his post where he voted. So he doesn't feel confident about the main players, that part is fine, I wasn't feeling any pings there, either. But his reason for voting FoS is that he doesn't remember anything from him except one post which had little to say. The problem here is that there are quite a few people who haven't posted much at all in this game, and who have said little of substance, no different than FoS.

So my assumption then, is that MP7 just threw his vote on a quiet player, when there were a lot of quiet players. That's exactly the same as a randomized vote. Lots of people in lots of games have said "I just randomized from among the quiet players" and that's fine. But MP7 seems determined to not call it that.

So my question for MP is, then, if you specifically chose FoS for his one non-helpful post, why him when there were other players who also hadn't contributed to the game at all at that time? If you didn't simply choose him over the others (which would be a form of randomizing) what was your reason? What put this one player ahead of the other non-helpful, quiet ones?

Now I came back to find that I had survived, thankfully, but that I did receive votes. Because day was over and I didn't die AND because my vote in that game honestly made less sense than my votes in this one, I was less frustrated than here.

Lest we forget people were arguing in that game as well that I effectively randomized (though I didn't even call it that at the time I voted, but when I came back to explain it, I did).


I put FourofShades ahead because he clearly posted once. There were others that had not checked in, so I wanted to at least give them a chance. However, FoS obviously had the chance to check the thread, and with the lack of a better option, that's where I decided to vote. How is that random, anyone?

MovingPictures07 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 10:04 pm wrote:Really? Why the heck did I get votes?

FourofShades » Thu Nov 08, 2012 9:50 am wrote:I'm going to have to side with Golden on this one. Who really is going to lie about their stance on randomizing? It doesn't even really matter, since randomizing is only a day one issue. If anything, bringing it up in that manner looks more to me like a witch hunt. Trying to get someone lynched on day one for a silly reason, only to go back and say "well it was only day one, it was just a silly reason, I didn't expect people to jump on it." I don't like that at all, not one bit.

Also, MovingPictures voted for me.

Sorry, if you are indeed good. I didn't have much better to go off on and I had to vote this morning.

DFaraday » Thu Nov 08, 2012 1:57 pm wrote:

MovingPictures07 » Thu Nov 08, 2012 7:00 am wrote:I have to vote now as I have a busy day at work and then night class.

I voted FourofShades, only because I don't feel confident around the main players at the moment, despite that I'm not agreeing they look overly civvie -- it's hard to say what any of them are at this point. I don't remember anything from FoS other than one post which hardly had anything to say.

???

You were just saying how randomising is bad because it allows a player to avoid engaging discussion of actual suspects and "randomly" pick someone, and then you suddenly vote Aces with no reason beyond "he hasn't said much"? That seems a bit contradictory, imo.

As for the main four, I think Rey and Golden both come off as civ, but if anything, I think Golden seemed a bit overly defensive. I read Rey's original post about Golden's teammates as being a joke.

Roxy strikes me as civ, and I'll have to go back and look over Kate's posts again before I decide on her.

As for randomising, I'm not a huge fan of it, but I don't mind doing it on Day 1 if there's not much to go on.

Linki: And I kind of doubt JC's theory atm.

I didn't randomize, DF. I said I didn't find any of the main attention getters suspicious one way or the other, did I not? Who else was I supposed to vote for?

MovingPictures07 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 5:41 pm wrote:

DisgruntledPorcupine » Fri Nov 09, 2012 12:42 pm wrote:In all honesty I'm not sure I suspect MP. He seems to make himself a target very early often, even if civ.

This. It especially happens when I'm civ for some really strange reason. I must admit to being a weird individual, so my reasons for voting are often misunderstood by many, and it seems to happen even more when I'm civ. However, I never understood that, and even right now I still don't. It's easy to see there's nothing of substance here -- and it's ironic -- because I previously did not suspect any of the "main" attention getters, but I did come home surprised to see NONE of them had hardly any votes. Now I'm beginning to smell something potentially fishy.

Another point -- why the sodding hell did people nearly send me to my grave when I clearly said I wouldn't be back to defend myself?

Then here's these posts.

I mean, I don't know what else to say other than what I have and that I'm civvie here, so you're reading my intentions incorrectly.

MovingPictures07 » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:04 pm wrote:

Golden » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:49 pm wrote:INH - I didn't focus on the randomising thing at all.

Rey focussed on it, and I defended myself about that.
YLP focussed on it, and I defended myself about that.

I never made any inherent choice to focus on it, in fact I think I made it quite clear that I don't think there is any reason for discussion about randomising to be useful in figuring out who is bad since there is no reason for anyone (MP included) to lie about it.

linki @ MP - 'how is that random' - because it doesn't indiciate that your vote was borne out of any kind of suspicion. It just indicates a logical thought process behind making the random choice that you did. Having logic for how you randomly select someone to vote for doesn't make it not random.

Essentially what it boils down to is this - you did something that you may not define as randomising but many other people do. I do. The lesson you should take from this is - don't be so black and white about your stance on randomising. It doesn't do any good. Do you really think anything can be achieved in this game, or any other, by arguing over how to define 'randomising' and whether or not you just did it or not?

linki again - as for why people nearly send you to your grave while you aren't there to defend yourself... welcome to my world! The world of the day one bandwagon when you aren't looking.

I'm not the one who brought up randomizing -- I wanted to avoid it for very specific reasons. I stand by my thought process as to MY logic, and this fiasco has happened to me way too many times, hence why I didn't bring it up and didn't plan to. Someone asked me my thought process so I presented it to them.

Why people find me suspicious because of how I define randomizing and then how I clearly voted without randomly picking a name is absolutely BLOWING my mind. You could even say I was PINGED by the fact that FoS came in here and then disappeared, couldn't you? It may be 0.00000001% ping, but it was still a freaking ping, and that's why I voted. Why that makes me bad, please someone explain that to me.

And I've already been in that world, many times my friend. I've played many games and it seems I get lynched at least 75% of them.

Kate » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:52 pm wrote:
My only other suspish is that Mr. F and, possibly, MP are on the other team, but all I have to say about that I said recently upthread.

Why?

Way to bandwagon.

What a bunch of BS.

Roxy » Fri Nov 09, 2012 6:52 pm wrote:Voting a quiet player for no other reason then they have not said much = random imo. I look at it the same way. Really how much thought does it take to vote a low poster who has not said much? You said yourself it took you 3 minutes. Can't be you put a ton of thought into it since it took only 3 minutes.

I don't fault you for your vote just your explanation it is not vote worthy imo and I did not vote you. These are just my thoughts on the matter. Atm I do not find you suspicious.

I appreciate your viewpoint expressed, and I'm glad just because you find my definition of random to be incorrect according to yours that it does not equate to malicious behavior.

I just feel the way I do about "randomizing", and I never will change my feelings about it. Every individual comes to their own logical conclusions and votes in mafia because of that person's own internal thought structure, so why am I not entitled to my own without it seeming suspicious? (not even a question to you, but to those who say I am a baddie) Why are people like Wazz and others always just shrugged off as "Oh, that's Wazz or ___", but that never applies to me?

Anyone who has played more than a few games with me should know that I have shown no behavior uncharacteristic of what is simply my personality and thought process. Says nothing about my intentions.

Now this is interesting because you pulled the SAME exact argument against me in that game. Check out the bolded. Now you were a recruited civvie in that game so I don't think you were recruited at that time, but you're making the same mistake here.

That's all the time I have to address this. Now I realize circumstances of that game and this game make things different and everything, but hopefully that helps provide some context, and I really hope people believe me because the baddies are avoiding lynch votes so far. The whole way the vote went on yesterday should be some indication.

I'll be back later after I study (I have to make up for lost time yesterday, lol), but I warn that lynching me would not be good and that it's clear I've been bandwagoned onto unfairly (yet again).

Linkitis with Vomps: I don't know what to say to that.

Kate wrote:I think I'm seeing an MP who will throw his teammates under the bus. This reminds me of AHS.

I am also seeing an MP who thought I was civ, but then has an eye on me because Dex does (someone you have on your list of baddies...). Just like you did in MOTU.

I also notice, when you are bad, you do a lot of justifying. I do this (x, y, and z) because that's what civvies do. As in, look at me I'm so civvie!

Okay, I appreciate the actual reasoning, so thank you. Let me address these.

I assume Vompatti is the supposed teammate you're referring to? I'm sorry, but you're wrong there. I don't have BTSC here so my guess as to who is bad and who isn't is as good as any other civvie. Besides, if he was my teammate, I'd have thrown him under the bus before boo said his D2 vote was weird, you know that. Look at MOTU, I was one of the very first people (if not the first) to mention BWT on Day 1.

I do still think you could be civvie, you're not in my top 4 or 5 likely baddies, correct? I just find it weird you're heading this direction all of a sudden when it's clear to me (because I know I'm good and it's evident Rox was as well, although I realize all you have is my word and my in thread actions), that the baddies avoided most of the votes in yesterday's lynch. I do think Dex is more apt to be a baddie than you, currently, but you're a good baddie; I've been hoodwinked by you before, so I've been wondering, that's all. I think it's safe to say we should consider every option, especially since the past two lynches weren't ideal.

I would also say I do that in my civvie game, but there's nothing else I can defend with there, other than I am a civvie here and my actions are genuine. I don't know, I think it again comes down to the fact that I've played these games lately as a devious baddie so people just aren't willing to take my words without reading baddie intentions behind them.

What do you think of INH/LT 2.0, Snow Dog, llama, Dex, AATB, etc.? I would like to catch a baddie today and I do value your (and others') input, for whatever it is worth.

Oh, and speaking of AATB, I do know we should take the chemistry book with a grain of salt, but I do find it weird it emphasized AATB particularly. I'm curious to see what he has to bring to the table once he gets caught up though and I do not think I would be voting him today.

Kate wrote:I must say the timing of your vote makes both you and he look quite suspect.

I meant to respond to this too, too many windows open.

I am not Vompatti's teammate and it's pretty evident to me that baddies bandwagoned onto both me and Rox yesterday. You don't think so?

Care to explain your vote for me, llama? Though not like it'll matter because you're insanified.

He-Man wrote:Is the insanitier a baddie power? I couldn't see.

I don't see any insanifier listed but there are enough secrets and the baddies apparently have a "list" of powers.

Vompatti wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Dex wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And why is it you think I'm mafia again?

I'll just add to the reasoning I've already posted that it appears to me that one of the things you do as mafioso is ask questions to which you already know the answers.

I also suspect that one of He-Man, Kate, Russtifinko, or Vompatti is your teammate.

I do that also as civvie. You're basing this, and you even admitted, off of the only game you've seen from me: my mafia game. If asking questions makes me bad, then I don't get it.

I don't know the answers to any of the questions I'm asking; that's why I'm asking them. I'm trying to gauge how everyone constantly feels about everyone else because that's how you find links.

I can't speak for any of the four players you listed. I am not convinced any of those is baddie currently, though I certainly have my on all of them, Vompatti probably the most if you asked me right now.

Why me?

Because you came in here and voted for either me or boo and you didn't seem to have a good reason for either. Care to elaborate at all?

Also, I did not agree with Dex's list at all. I said I have my eye on all of them. Very different story.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And considering INH/LT 2.0 is now off the table for this lynch, what are people thinking? Based on thread behavior alone, llama or Snow Dog seem most logical, but I'm not 100% sold on either of them just yet. That being said, I doubt I could justify a vote for anyone other than those two, but we'll see what the day brings, and I'll sleep on it.

I don't understand that I or Llama are logical choices. I am not mafia, I can't speak for LLama. But even presuming that we are and that Roxy is not, that still leaves two mafia out there. Any suspects for those two....anyone?

I'm willing to believe you, Snowie, so I doubt I'll be voting for you today. Llama, I don't know, his behavior this game seems to be a stark contrast to MOTU, despite his still apparent like of logic and the same type of llama train of thought, he has been a bit more silly, less contributory to actual discussion, and very bandwagony.

Both of your voting records are not so great, but I would bet llama being bad before you.

And I've been saying over and over again who I think might be suspect. Llama, you, Dex, AATB, and INH/LT 2.0. There could be four baddies right there, but I don't know.

Kate wrote:I believe I will be voting for the socked one.

Why exactly? And who says you're even civvie this game? I was thinking you were early on, but I've been wondering about you lately. Trying to divert attention away from llama, INH, or Snow Dog?

Has anyone actually given any sort of evidence as to why I might be bad this game? Oh, wait, it's because there isn't any because I'm not bad.

EBWOP: Basically, apparently, Kate, what I'm doing right now as a civvie STILL isn't convincing some people, which boggles my mind.

Either that or Dex is suspicion mongering, I'm not sure which, because I don't know his intentions.

Kate wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:RIP Rox

Welcome LT 2.0! You're filling in for INH. What say you regarding his actions, any light you can shed or no?

Dex wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And why is it you think I'm mafia again?

I also suspect that one of He-Man, Kate, Russtifinko, or Vompatti is your teammate.

I do that also as civvie. You're basing this, and you even admitted, off of the only game you've seen from me: my mafia game. If asking questions makes me bad, then I don't get it.

I don't know the answers to any of the questions I'm asking; that's why I'm asking them. I'm trying to gauge how everyone constantly feels about everyone else because that's how you find links.

I can't speak for any of the four players you listed. I am not convinced any of those is baddie currently, though I certainly have my on all of them, Vompatti probably the most if you asked me right now.

Why do you keep telling us what you do as a civ? If one is a civ they don't need to point out what they doing. They just do it.

Because people keep trying to say I'm baddie based on this WIFOM crap that it's all based on what I'd be doing if I was baddie.

How else am I supposed to respond to this kind of accusation? "I'll just add to the reasoning I've already posted that it appears to me that one of the things you do as mafioso is ask questions to which you already know the answers."

And considering INH/LT 2.0 is now off the table for this lynch, what are people thinking? Based on thread behavior alone, llama or Snow Dog seem most logical, but I'm not 100% sold on either of them just yet. That being said, I doubt I could justify a vote for anyone other than those two, but we'll see what the day brings, and I'll sleep on it.

RIP Rox

Welcome LT 2.0! You're filling in for INH. What say you regarding his actions, any light you can shed or no?

Dex wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:And why is it you think I'm mafia again?

I'll just add to the reasoning I've already posted that it appears to me that one of the things you do as mafioso is ask questions to which you already know the answers.

I also suspect that one of He-Man, Kate, Russtifinko, or Vompatti is your teammate.

I do that also as civvie. You're basing this, and you even admitted, off of the only game you've seen from me: my mafia game. If asking questions makes me bad, then I don't get it.

I don't know the answers to any of the questions I'm asking; that's why I'm asking them. I'm trying to gauge how everyone constantly feels about everyone else because that's how you find links.

I can't speak for any of the four players you listed. I am not convinced any of those is baddie currently, though I certainly have my on all of them, Vompatti probably the most if you asked me right now.

reywaS wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Oh, I misread your response, reywaS, I thought that's why you were saying he was bad HERE.

What game(s) has he done that in? I guess, thinking about it now, I've mostly played and hosted with him as a civvie.

It is why I think he's bad here. I was saying he's done it in other games.

Got it. I was wondering if you were referencing any game(s) in particular.

Snow Dog wrote:Look everyone. If I was baddie I would have been way more subtle. Voted someone with no vote or something, said something about a gut feeling. I gave a reason for my second vote, my first vote was due to Lt's reaction to MP and I voted regardless how it looked because I am not mafia. The only way to prove that is to lynch me I guess. But try not to just yet. Try to believe me and find the real baddies.

It's posts like this that tell my gut to believe you. But if I made every decision in mafia on my gut, I'd probably be a much worse player. I don't know.

I definitely do not like how INH has not come back at all. Where is he?

Oh, I misread your response, reywaS, I thought that's why you were saying he was bad HERE.

What game(s) has he done that in? I guess, thinking about it now, I've mostly played and hosted with him as a civvie.

reywaS wrote:

juliets wrote:

reywaS wrote:I would also agree with the suspicion of inh. I've seen this type of act from him before when he was bad.

reywas, anything in particular that he did in the other game that reminds you of this one? I'm still pinged by his post day 1.

It's mainly the fact that he made highly suspect comments, started getting heat for it and then left and didn't bother making a defense.

I echo this 100%.

Roxy wrote:Not real sure about Dex tbh. I just thought it only fair to read his theory and see if I agree or not. I am on the fence tbh.

Yah Snow Dog and Name both seem likely bad. Their behavior has not helped them in any way the tone of Snow Dogs posts feels so different than the MOTU game same can be said about llama - his posts have a totes different tone to them.

Yeah, I'm not sure about Dex, but I definitely have my on him as possible baddie.

Llama's posts definitely have a different feel, I agree. Snow Dog's definitely do, which is maybe what's holding me back from saying THIS GUY IS BADDIE FOR SURE. I don't know. I still would probably support a lynch of him, that being said.

Roxy wrote:Sockglove- I think you held in a different standard bc you have always been the way you are and say Porcu for example is held differently bc you both play differently. Yah sometimes I agree players like rab, HeMan, etc can sometimes slide by with iffy thread behavior but you or even I could not get away with it. I guess we should have started playing mafia with a wonky-jeebie style then we would not be held to the standard we are.

I am not saying this is how everyone feels it is just my take on the situation you faced yesterday.

Also - mmm interesting theory Pickle Dex I need to give it thought before I agree or disagree.

Also - Rey - good thoughts about Snow Dog most of which I totes agree with.

You're exactly right. It's just an interesting conundrum that can be placed upon a player, especially one that it seems people are less likely to trust because of a well-played baddie game. I saw the same thing happen to DD; it seems like especially after he had that slew of amazing baddie wins he was held to a much higher standard than other players.

Do you think Dex is civvie or not, by the way? I appreciated your thoughts on He Man and Vompatti.

I also agree that Snow Dog's behavior looks REALLY bad. For some reason, my gut isn't agreeing with my brain though, and I don't know why. Maybe because I had BTSC with him in MOTU and his style just doesn't seem the same. That being said, he and INH seem most likely to be baddie based off of behavior, do you agree?

juliets wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

juliets wrote:I could go either INH or MP. MP I was feeling ok about until Roxy's posts and I do see the double standard between getting on her case for voting a random among fisherman picket and auger voters vs his random between his 2 suspicions. Also, I reread his vote for LT and it was based on her not being genuine with her getting the time mixed up but in my opinion she came off completely genuine. And his reaction to being voted or I guess that was his defense didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

That said, there are good reasons to vote inh in my opinion and he was my first choice this morning. Trouble is he hasn't been here to defend himself and I'm worried that my vote would be a throw away vote.

I'll wait a bit longer and make a decision.

Also, I wanted to address this, but didn't have much time at the time. Double standard, really? I realize I am occasionally guilty of holding people to a double standard, and I probably did this with Rox, but you don't think that I'm being held to a double standard here?

To me, LT did not necessarily seem genuine. That's it. You obviously thought otherwise so you didn't vote LT. How does that make me baddie?

MP, I'm trying to figure out how I might have held you to a double standard. I may have but I certainly did not mean to do so.

On the LT timing issue, to my way of thinking this is part of what mafia is all about. I thought she sounded totally genuine, you thought she did not. I thought she was obviously genuine and it should have been apparent, therefore I was pinged that you didn't. You have crazy good mafia skills and I thought you should have seen it. Maybe I'm wrong about that but its how it felt at the time.


On AATB, my initial reaction to his overreaction was that he is new and doesn't yet understand that you need to let day 1 votes roll off your back. Further convincing me was his switcheroo which was blatant - you voted for me so i'm voting for you. I didn't think an experienced player would ever do that. It does bother me though that he missed the second vote so at this point he didn't make a "real" vote on day 1 and didn't make any vote on day 2, leaving us with not a lot to look at. Sometimes absence of behavior (not voting) can be evidence. With that said though, I still lean toward noob but with an eye open.

And finally, Mythbusters ftw! I'm voting Duct Tape.

I have some things to take care of this afternoon and will probably not be in the thread for most of the afternoon.

JC, as to the double standard, I can summarize as I don't understand why I even received most of the votes I did receive yesterday if everyone is being held to the same standard.

Russtifinko wrote:Ok, time for my thoughts, finally! NIce to be on my computer instead of checking on my phone.

First off, I agree that the mentioned civ roles are most likely why boo wasn't lynched. We don't know what the baddies' powers are, so I'm not willing to say 100% that he's civvie, but Occam's Razor says to leave him be.

The big MP-Roxy debate did have a civ-civ feel to me, at least by the end there. Although I'm now forever nervous about using the words "civ" and "MP" in the same sentence, I think Roxy is one of the most likely players to be civ right now. AATB struck me more as a frustrated civ newbie than a baddie in his exchange. Saying we can lynch him if we want seems like peeved, sarcastic AATB to me. I'll still watch for suspicious behavior from him. I was satisfied with BWT's explanation for being away, and barring any weirdness from him he won't top my suspect list for tomorrow.

Right now, that honor looks to go to INH. I'm far from saying he's absolutely bad, but I agree he looked past some facts when voting for LT. Then after the lynch, he writes this:

insertnamehere wrote:Well, fuck.

and then disappears from the thread with no explanation. I don't like it at all. I understand people being unwilling to vote for him yesterday because he hadn't had a chance to defend himself, but I think 3 days is long enough to at least say "Hi, explanation forthcoming soon." I'll be leaning toward a vote for him if he doesn't come back.

Vompatti hadn't pinged me in the thread, but reading through his posts together looks strange. They amount to 2 drive-by votes (for which, admittedly, he offers short explanations) and a bunch of humor/snark. Civvie he may (or may not) be, but I at least wouldn't classify him as a helpful civvie.

That's it for major pings for me at the moment. I'm still waiting for a better read on He-Man and reywaS. Rey's aggressive pursuit of Snow Dog almost makes me think if one of them isn't bad, the other will be. So far I'm kind of half-pinged by Snowie, but my gut is saying frustrated noob civvie like with AATB. By the way, happy birthday!

Wow, this post got MP-esque. Gonna finish with 2 very important points:

Did anyone get the lynch results (and ideally order) from yesterday?

And MP, yesterday you mentioned a spreadsheet template you could send to noobs to help us get oriented. Is that still on the table? I tried to spreadsheet for MOTU, and it was a disaster.

You think frustrated civ on AATB? You could be right. It's hard to say, but I really hope he comes to contribute more soon.

Vompatti's game is very weird and hard to predict in my opinion. I think he needs to get in here and start participating as well, but his behavior is hardly logical, even as civvie. I guess he's in with AATB in that regard, although maybe even more suspicious than AATB because of his voting record.

I did, I can provide one when I get home tonight or tomorrow (if I'm too tired tonight). Although I do see LT provided one, which I'm sure is a good one.

Dex wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I didn't vote for her, but you're right, I did question her intentions. I don't think Rox is on a baddie team either at this point. Why do you think those that voted Boo are worth looking at? I don't necessarily disagree, I just want to try to better understand your train of thought.

My train of thought is, you're mafia, you were ahead in a lynch vote, peeps voted Boo to get you off the hook.

Roxy wrote:Happy Birthday Snow Dog hope its a great one!

Oh no! The curse! The curse!

And why is it you think I'm mafia again?

reywaS wrote:i also wanted to comment on MP during the Lynch yesterday. His reactions seemed way over the top to me. The way he got so upset about getting votes didnt seem genuine to me. He made it seem like he's been unjustly persecuted so much lately and I just don't see it that way. I could see him being bad. I'm not convinced but ill definitely be keeping an eye that way.

You think me being over the top indicates I'm baddie? I don't think so, I'm pretty over the top regardless of alignment (see: Futurama and other games if you don't believe me). I can't argue with you if you think it wasn't genuine, but it was.

I said nothing about being unjustly persecuted lately, but it is true that this same damn thing has happened to me more than just a few times, and that people like DP, Wazz, and even Vomps and INH to some degree (but I'm not trying to antagonize or name names, just providing tangible evidence) get by with randomizing or weird behavior because it has become a norm for them. I'm for some reason held to some kind of higher standard. I would argue even you are as well, as well as other players. It's just not fair, especially after the way the lynch went down and the fact that I'm not baddie here. Just because I have a balls to the wall baddie game, people always think I'm some kind of master liar so they read my posts with caution and always considering that they are twisted, whereas someone like JC most players don't do that. Hell, even I usually read JC's intentions (again, just an example, the first that came to mind) as more likely genuine until proven not. Does that make sense?

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
All of that being said, I definitely think we have at least one baddie (very likely more) in INH, Snow Dog, llama, Dex, AATB, and perhaps Vomps as well.

Well I am not one of them.

Who do you think is baddie then at this point?

Well reywaS voted me twice I think so maybe him.
But it occurs to me that some baddies may lie low and let us sqaubble and turn on each other here. I'm tempted to look at the low posters.

You don't think reywaS could be a misinformed civvie, or you don't see why your behavior might be seen as suspicious?

Another few questions for you: Why low posters? I may agree with you to some degree, but you don't think any of the contributors may be baddie? What about llama, what do you think of him?

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
All of that being said, I definitely think we have at least one baddie (very likely more) in INH, Snow Dog, llama, Dex, AATB, and perhaps Vomps as well.

Well I am not one of them.

Who do you think is baddie then at this point?

Dex wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Dex, you really think this makes sense?

I do not think Rox is necessarily baddie; look at her posts in the latter part of today. I think that's what frustrated me even more, coming in to see I had that argument against me and she was leading it, because I'm not getting much of a baddie impression from her anymore.

INH was the top candidate leading into this lynch, he never shows up, and he doesn't get a single vote. Yet you think Rox is on one team and I'm on another? Really?

No I don't. You thought Rox was bad at the time you voted for her. That was before her posts that - seemingly - changed your mind about her. Those same posts also convinced me that she was almost certainly civ. That's why I voted you - b/c I think Rox is civ, and not on either team. I think the same goes for others who voted for you. We were civ saving. Against your charge.

Now, the people that voted Boo to save you = those I think bear looking at.

I didn't vote for her, but you're right, I did question her intentions. I don't think Rox is on a baddie team either at this point. Why do you think those that voted Boo are worth looking at? I don't necessarily disagree, I just want to try to better understand your train of thought.

Roxy wrote:Well at least I was not lynched. Actually for day 1 this was probs a good result. I know it seemed to cement some things for me and rethink others.

And I am sorry if you were upset at me Sock b/c of any post I made you know you are one of my favorite people to mafia with please do not change anything about you <3

So maybe no one was lynched but I do think with the discussion we have a lot more to work with. Like Juliets I am tired.

Yes, I agree, I think it was a good day, even though it almost ended in disaster.

I'm not upset, nor was I particularly, so no worries at all. I think we all know how mafia can be at times, lol, just in terms of the game -- it's a lot like when you're playing a video game and you're at a point that may frustrate you with its difficulty or you just barely die in a boss battle, or what have you. I was just frustrated at the fact that at the time it seemed like I was going to get lynched which surprised me and for what I deemed to be nonindicative reasons. And of course, likewise! I think we have a really awesome group of players all around this game, so it's great to be playing.

I agree, there's a lot of possibilities; the key is figuring out who is trying to exploit these lynches. It seems we've had enough of that kind of activity that we can figure it out.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Sorry for so much posting, but does anyone have reads on He Man or Vompatti as well? I'm not sure what to make of either of them at all.

Linki with BWT: His vote on Day 1 was a vote for juliets after she voted for him (switcheroo) and he seemed pretty peeved that he even got a vote for little participation, which I found just a bit strange since it hardly made him a lynch candidate (comparable to Boomslang in MOTU how he seemed a bit too overdefensive). Not sold on that, but it did strike me a bit odd. Additionally, he is still laying a bit low and no one is mentioning him at all, and he still seems a bit overdefensive with what he posted after today's lynch to llama. I don't know.

I feel least strong about him of the five I listed, honestly, but I can't help but shake those couple of gut pings. Knowing that we both know him IRL as well, what do you think of him?

I can understand him getting peeved for the vote for not participating that much. The part that bothers me is more him "laying low" as you described it and being really overdefensive from today's lynch.

Idk. I guess at this point, I feel more strongly about the other 4 names you mentioned. With AATB, I'm highly suspicious but I still think there's a chance he could be a frustrated civvie. I think the other 4 people have done more in regards to earning my vote for the next day phase.

I agree, the laying low and being overdefensive is not helping, and I do think he could be a frustrated civvie. I feel like with some of these players who are now only in their second games (Russ, AATB, Snow Dog, etc.), it's a bit harder to get a comfortable gauge, especially because I hosted Avant-Garde 2 and saw what happened with Leech, Vompatti, and Droopy, where people thought they were all CLEARLY acting baddie and it turns out they all unanimously or near unanimously got lynched as civvies. I'm a bit cautious to lynch a newbie because of supposed baddie behavior for those reasons. Additionally, you have Vompatti and INH, both of whom I have seen do some really weird stuff as civvies and baddies, so they are two hard people to read in my opinion.

All of that being said, I definitely think we have at least one baddie (very likely more) in INH, Snow Dog, llama, Dex, AATB, and perhaps Vomps as well. I hadn't considered Vompatti before boo pointed out his weird vote, but I'm surprised no one else has said anything about him yet; he tends to be like INH in terms of getting suspicion because of wacky or illogical behavior.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Also I'm going to go with duct tape. The Mythbusters have proven that you can do anything with duct tape up to surviving on a desert island, so I think it would be the ultimate survival tool.

This is exactly why I chose it. Yay Mythbusters!

Sorry for so much posting, but does anyone have reads on He Man or Vompatti as well? I'm not sure what to make of either of them at all.

Linki with BWT: His vote on Day 1 was a vote for juliets after she voted for him (switcheroo) and he seemed pretty peeved that he even got a vote for little participation, which I found just a bit strange since it hardly made him a lynch candidate (comparable to Boomslang in MOTU how he seemed a bit too overdefensive). Not sold on that, but it did strike me a bit odd. Additionally, he is still laying a bit low and no one is mentioning him at all, and he still seems a bit overdefensive with what he posted after today's lynch to llama. I don't know.

I feel least strong about him of the five I listed, honestly, but I can't help but shake those couple of gut pings. Knowing that we both know him IRL as well, what do you think of him?

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: Frankly, I think, now given how both lynches went down, thread evidence suggests baddie pools to me possibly of Snow Dog, Dex, INH, or AATB.

Fixed.

So you agree with those four as possibilities then?

And obviously I feel more strongly about some than others currently.

AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

AllAlongTheBoardwalk wrote:Did the poll just end? If so I missed it...my bad everyone. Catching up now.

Bah, a likely story! How convenient for you to avoid accountability.

I literally logged on 5mins ago. But, whatever, lynch me if you like.

Also, meant to include this as well in my last post, but any thoughts?

voted Duct Tape

I'm thinking this is good that we had a failed lynch, unless for some reason boo survived as a result of some baddie/indie secret. I'm thinking a civvie explanation for surviving is more likely, so that puts boo squarely in the likely civvie section of my radar. Boo, I'm sorry I voted for you, but it was mostly out of self-preservation. I also realize you did mention me previously, but honestly, with most people throughout today's discussion saying INH or Snow Dog, and then all of a sudden Rox and me getting a bunch of votes, then that is what I constitute as unexplained.

juliets wrote:I could go either INH or MP. MP I was feeling ok about until Roxy's posts and I do see the double standard between getting on her case for voting a random among fisherman picket and auger voters vs his random between his 2 suspicions. Also, I reread his vote for LT and it was based on her not being genuine with her getting the time mixed up but in my opinion she came off completely genuine. And his reaction to being voted or I guess that was his defense didn't give me the warm and fuzzies.

That said, there are good reasons to vote inh in my opinion and he was my first choice this morning. Trouble is he hasn't been here to defend himself and I'm worried that my vote would be a throw away vote.

I'll wait a bit longer and make a decision.

Also, I wanted to address this, but didn't have much time at the time. Double standard, really? I realize I am occasionally guilty of holding people to a double standard, and I probably did this with Rox, but you don't think that I'm being held to a double standard here?

To me, LT did not necessarily seem genuine. That's it. You obviously thought otherwise so you didn't vote LT. How does that make me baddie?

thellama73 wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I found it interesting that Snow Dog and llama jumped right onto the slightest suspicion though, as soon as I said I might vote that way, BOOM. Out of nowhere, both of them.

Out of nowhere? Rubbish. I laid out a very clear case for why I voted Roxy and I stand by my reasoning. Can I help it if I am decisive?

I realize this; I don't totally mean "OUT OF NOWHERE", but it's clear to me that the lynch was heading in an INH or Snow Dog direction, and yet neither of those came even close to happening. I'm beginning to think my earlier suspicions were incorrect and that someone was trying to save one of those.

juliets wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't see why I even bother arguing the way I do about randomizing or anything. Maybe from now on I'll just randomize every Day 1 vote and that way I won't get unfairly lynched half the time and people won't be able to tell either way. Apparently, that makes more sense than actually trying to catch baddies and discussing.

Maybe this would be a good discussion to have outside of a game where it can be such a lightning rod and also where people on the sidelines are more comfortable saying how they feel about it. It's just not a discussion we should have on any more day 1's, in my opinion.

It probably would be an interesting discussion to have in that context, I agree. I apologize if I seemed a bit peeved, but this happens way too often, and I've been clear and consistent in my lines of thinking every time, and it makes me mad when someone tries to tell me I'm baddie because I'm apparently contradicting myself or something like that. This has happened many times and it's aggravating.

Snow Dog wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:The way this lynch went down, it should be evident that it's quite likely that INH and/or Snow Dog are baddies. I was giving Snow Dog the BOTD because my gut was telling me civvie, but I don't think so anymore now that he's bandwagoned onto me TWICE now and somehow the lynch turned a way that it shouldn't have. I'm not sure about llama, honestly.

Whatever, if I die, I die at this point. I need to go back to studying. Have fun catching baddies without me if I die, and if I don't and boo gets the most votes instead, here's hoping he's a baddie.

Well I can't convince you I'd decided on Roxy before your post? Probably not eh? However that is how it was. I am not a baddie and I don't think you are either.

You're right about me. I'd really like to believe you, and my gut is saying I should, but your actions are definitely saying I shouldn't.

Dex wrote:This has to be the most boring episode of MacGyver ever!

Well, I'm OK with this result as I suspect the hand of Ball of Twine or Mullet in this. It sure looks to me like peeps voted MP to save Roxy, and peeps then voted Boo to save MP.

Dex, you really think this makes sense?

I do not think Rox is necessarily baddie; look at her posts in the latter part of today. I think that's what frustrated me even more, coming in to see I had that argument against me and she was leading it, because I'm not getting much of a baddie impression from her anymore.

INH was the top candidate leading into this lynch, he never shows up, and he doesn't get a single vote. Yet you think Rox is on one team and I'm on another? Really?

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright. I wanted to get caught up last night, but with my girlfriend coming over that ended up not happening. And then working early today meant I didn't finish catching up until tonight. Day 1 is what sticks with me the most right now. To me, I really don't trust INH or Snow Dog much based on their actions from Day 1.

I am very curious to hear what everyone else's opinions are at this stage of the game however. Because while I've read everything I don't feel like much has sunk in. Plus I want to be able to judge the field.

Okay, I'm looking forward to seeing what more you have to contribute over the next period.

Frankly, I think, now given how both lynches went down, thread evidence suggests baddie pools to me possibly of Snow Dog, llama, Dex, INH, or AATB.

Any names I did not include in there I'm not most thinking they are baddie at this point, but they are also possibilities because I really don't know.

The way this lynch went down, it should be evident that it's quite likely that INH and/or Snow Dog are baddies. I was giving Snow Dog the BOTD because my gut was telling me civvie, but I don't think so anymore now that he's bandwagoned onto me TWICE now and somehow the lynch turned a way that it shouldn't have. I'm not sure about llama, honestly.

Whatever, if I die, I die at this point. I need to go back to studying. Have fun catching baddies without me if I die, and if I don't and boo gets the most votes instead, here's hoping he's a baddie.

I don't see why I even bother arguing the way I do about randomizing or anything. Maybe from now on I'll just randomize every Day 1 vote and that way I won't get unfairly lynched half the time and people won't be able to tell either way. Apparently, that makes more sense than actually trying to catch baddies and discussing.

I guess I'm voting boo to save myself. This is just ridiculous on every level.

Roxy wrote:Kk this is NOT me giving up it is me telling you that I won't be around for the rest of the lynch. I hope others will not follow twisted logic and vote me. Remember these points:

MP said he hates random votes yet he random'ed his Day 1
MP lead the lynch on LT with weak reasoning.
MP said we have not played together recently yet we have.
MP said he my opinion on random voting does not make sense just becuase it is a different view and different way than he plays.

Tbh the more I think about his raling against my random voting stance then random votes himself just makes zero sense to me. He claims he is totes against it but does it anyway - idk it just feels like a huge double standard he is holding me to.

1. I do; I absolutely despise randomizing. You want to know why? Read my posts. It completely is devoid of responsibility. I CLEARLY STATED reasons for all of my possible votes and then couldn't decide on one quickly enough and I had to vote. This certainly feels a lot like Futurama Day 2.

2. I did not lead the lynch on LT, this is ridiculous. Look for yourself, I voted for her for the exact reason I did, because guess what! I don't know who's civvie and who's not this game, just like everyone else!

3. We've played twice in the past year or year and a half, one of those games I did not develop any read on you whatsoever. I am being totally genuine here but you refuse to see it.

4. No, it DOESN'T MAKE SENSE BECAUSE YOU HAVEN'T EXPLAINED IT. Once. Where have you explained your reasoning for Auger voters in a clear and concise manner? I even asked you about it!

All of that being said, I'm not convinced you're bad, but thanks for possibly killing a fellow civvie here, I really appreciate it.

Roxy wrote:Well then lynch me and get on with it then maybe players will realize what I am saying could be worth looking into.

My talk about randomization does not make sense to you even though you random'ed a vote yourself betwixt players hahaha funny very funny. What only your opinion makes sense? Thats rich I thought everyone was entitled to play their own way. Your focus remaining on this subject is quite noteworthy imo.

I am not throwing names out everything I have said about my suspicions are thread based anyone can see the same things I have seen.

We also were not talking about a year and half's worth of games - you sadi RECENT - hence my calling you out on the lie. You even said in HV how well you can read me. So now you can't. You can't b/c you are trying to lynch an important civ and that does not go along with what you already said.

Keep up contridicting yourself and once I am lynched and proved right you will be next unless these civs are as foolish as those on the HV game and they keep you around to win for the baddies.


Linky nice latch on Snow Dog with NONE of your own suspicions or thoughts you vote me. Haha meet Baddie # 2.

I literally hope you guys don't get your way and the civs lose my role - one will feel it more strongly than the rest.

Linky again haha you get your wish MP AND i hope to goodness that after I am lynched you will be next since chewing gum is dead and cannot bring me back.

I'm sorry, a lot of this is just your opinion. Sure, everyone is allowed to play the way they want, but I feel the way I do about randomizing for REASONS. I state them EVERY GAME. I obviously am talking about pure randomization. I had no better read of LT or boo or you at the time so I randomized because I knew I had to vote. Again, this TOTALLY proves my point that if I was DP and just decided to randomize my D1 vote, then I wouldn't be getting all this attention now, would I?

I'm seriously contemplating changing my game style because every single freaking time I am civvie, this always happens to me; I get railroaded unfairly when my name was hardly being mentioned as suspicious and then all of these people come in here and vote for me because they know it's an easy vote.

I said I was going to re-read the thread, I did NOT vote for you nor did I say I was absolutely certain I was going to, but your behavior this game just has not made sense to me. I have reconsidered and I'm not willing to lynch you right now because I am not convinced you're bad. I found it interesting that Snow Dog and llama jumped right onto the slightest suspicion though, as soon as I said I might vote that way, BOOM. Out of nowhere, both of them.