The Syndicate

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:40 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:38 pm A recreation of me treasuring the thing you made:

Spoiler: show

omg that is so cute!

heres one i posted in the rocks fall game to illustrate the me/amy masonry that was gonna be awesome (i was in fact, not awesome lol)

Spoiler: show

omg thank you for sharing. <3

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:35 pm

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:17 pm Like I read that guide and now I just wanna tunnel you into oblivion

if you're serious about your push, then it would be genuinely helpful if you could go back to the posts that pinged you and explain why you find them wolfy in detail

because i looked at your evaluation of my guide and i don't really have anything to say that i haven't already said. i don't understand the issue. there's a misunderstanding here somewhere. a fairly large part of my (partial) townread on tangy was predicated on the idea that she had no interest in "blending in" with the vibe of the thread. it was proven to me that she did try to blend in with the thread. i said "oh okay, maybe i'm townreading her too easily", and then moved her back to a townlean

Blending is not a thing I think I'm any good at anyway.

A recreation of me treasuring the thing you made:

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:31 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:21 pm You're a delight, sunbae.

i read this in the same tone as my mom would tell me good job when i showed her the picture i made for her in art

itd look like this (turkey!), she'd say oh its delightful, pat my head, hang it on the fridge, and probably wonder where she went wrong

Spoiler: show

i was 24

Omg I love it.

From a thread environment perspective, even if it's made things sort of difficult for people to connect so far, I do think it's actually healthy for solving and finding each other that the thread hasn't really revolved around one person or a set of people. I hope this makes sense.

You're a delight, sunbae.

bronana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:08 pm goofy thought alert

sunbae immediately reading spf's self-meta wall from offsite but not reading tangy's whole reads wall is because sunbae/tangy are wolves and spf is town

this read is stupid and i debated whether or not to post it, then decided i'd go for it on the off chance someone calls me villagy for it

I love the goofy thought reads personally.

I sort of want to move sunbae up just for the posts he made about his disappointment in terms of scrolling and not finding me until the bottom of my reads list hehehe.

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:55 pm I feel like I'm the only one that's wolfed with Marl when I see people clearing super light but I think the reality is my perception of Marl's ranges are just skewed from a game or two of experience without having the rest of the games others have with them

It's tough to resist that perception influence. Would you say there were any notable takeaways you have from that experience nonetheless?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:54 pm there has been enough discussion/concern about my alignment in this game that probably makes this worth bringing up:

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost4895388

^^this is a "guide" that i wrote for how to figure out what alignment i am. i wrote it as a villager in the heat of a very stressful and intense game, and the guide is worded a little bit messily for that reason, but the basic principles are still the same

most people have no idea how to read me because they look at my posts and they just see text. when you pair that w/the fact that i am capable of being a very good wolf, most people don't really understand what my ranges are like or how to tell if i'm being authentic in any given moment

i am an easy read if you know what to look for. i will always sound a little robotic or a little stilted as a wolf because it's impossible for me to perfectly replicate the passion that i have as a villager. i struggle to hold back my TMI as a wolf, and almost every post that i make as a wolf is a means to an end, whereas my posts as a villager have less of a clear direction and have a clearer "flow" to them. if it seems like i am authentically communicating with you, then i'm probably just town

i will try to refrain from using self-meta ever again in this game moving forward :P

Yay, I feel less awkward now!

I should resist my attempts to get self-meta more often, lol.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:45 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:40 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:37 pm i townread vulgard, nutella, and dyslexicon. i townlean c4, marluxion, and tangrowth. if there's a wolf in this pool of names, i'm hopeful that it's only one

I could be mistaken, but re: marl I saw "marl isn't out of his wolfrange, but his string of posts while catching up w/the thread are fine. i like the meta that he outed on me and his consideration of hally's alignment felt authentic. he's on the trajectory for me to end up townreading him, even if i'm not fully there yet"

Can you talk to me some more about that townlean?

marl is capable of sounding like a villager as either alignment, but when he's wolfing, he's putting on a mask. he has to put on a significantly higher level of effort to mimic the stuff that he does effortlessly when he's playing from a village mindset. it's usually a good sign if he's continually posting and pursuing angles of his own volition without any pressure, and that describes his game to a tee so far. he's been consistently engaged with the thread and his reads feel flexible and privy to being changed at a moments notice - all of these things align with my understanding of marl's towngame, and all of these things make me lean on him just being town

Thank you for explaining!

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:46 pm ima be honest tangy i just scrolled to my name and got sadder and sadder as i had to continue scrolling

ill read the rest of it in a bit

Awww gosh, well, it's just my first reads list!

Honestly folks can read my reads list as little or as much as they want, I just sort of wanted to puke where I'm at right now, not sure how helpful it is but. If you do have thoughts or anything you'd like to engage me on that'd be great.

Arete, Hally, and Gavial all currently have votes of those in my POE. I'll vote Hally.

[VOTE: Hally] aubergine

Zack needs to be left alive for the memes.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:37 pm i townread vulgard, nutella, and dyslexicon. i townlean c4, marluxion, and tangrowth. if there's a wolf in this pool of names, i'm hopeful that it's only one

I could be mistaken, but re: marl I saw "marl isn't out of his wolfrange, but his string of posts while catching up w/the thread are fine. i like the meta that he outed on me and his consideration of hally's alignment felt authentic. he's on the trajectory for me to end up townreading him, even if i'm not fully there yet"

Can you talk to me some more about that townlean?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:37 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:36 pm Tangy, I asked for help.
You gave me home work.
I feel betrayed.

She's Jay's TA now

Yay!!!!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:36 pm I'm a universal town read.
I haven't even read the game.

Get rekt, scum.

My work here is done.

You're welcome.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:36 pm Tangy, I asked for help.
You gave me home work.
I feel betrayed.

I said sheep nutella.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:35 pm Short posts. Next page please.

I prefer short posts!!!! It's not my fault I'm shackled!!

There's surely a joke in there, I'm pretty sure it's just nutella's post itself and then a juxtaposition of my avatar and a town role card.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:33 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:26 pm I'm perhaps not going to come close to matching a fair portion of this playlist through sheer reads and/or solving methods. That's not really my strength, especially this early on, and even more so with people I don't know and entering a tense environment with an intimidating playerlist that I felt and feel more so on the outer edges of for the most part. I understand why people are explaining pleasantries as things I do, and I appreciate the kind thoughts that underlie such an association, so thanks, really. It is very important to me that people are having fun, particularly with such an enamored group of players, but I do think I may have been less concerned about the discordance in such a way that it would be easier to find my footing if I had TMI right now, even if I'd still try to put everyone at more ease publicly. As it stands... I just sort of feel like I'm dipping my toes in the pool, trying to get a feel for things, and if that means people are going to be hesitant to town read me because I'm hurling softballs or whatever, that's fine I guess, but I just don't feel like waiting for me to produce is a good way to find me as town. I guess I don't know where I fit in with this town at all yet, and that's not a comforting spot to be in... I like feeling like I have a specific purpose. I realize someone could just say well, make reads, do your own thing, but I am not going to force reads that I don't have (hence the questions), and I don't function well in a corner. I'm not expecting anyone to help me with that, it's my place to try to optimize how I can help win us this game, just musing aloud about it. I'm probably >rand in terms of being a self-oriented person, and I'll try to keep such perspective to a minimum and let you all figure me out or find me however you'd like, but I have a direct responsibility to make myself easier to find from my end too, and I wanted these things said nonetheless because I feel like at least some players will struggle to find me based on what's been said already. Anyway, without further ado, a reads list.

this is SO MANY words and i dont have a GODDAMN clue what it says

????? okay, that's fine I guess. You don't really have to. If it's helpful to someone, great, if not then whatever.

Amy wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:32 pm i must admit, i'm not used to being low on readslists out of #fear

these be uncharted waters for me, lads n lasses n [pirate term for enbies goes here]

Consider this the highest compliment.

I would love nothing more than for you to be town, sunbae.

sunbae wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:30 pm aw man

usually i tell people to listen to their heart because they want me to be town but their brain keeps them afraid

idk how to combat the heart wanting to see me mafia

these are sad times

Ahhhhhh

My brain hurts.

I'm perhaps not going to come close to matching a fair portion of this playlist through sheer reads and/or solving methods. That's not really my strength, especially this early on, and even more so with people I don't know and entering a tense environment with an intimidating playerlist that I felt and feel more so on the outer edges of for the most part. I understand why people are explaining pleasantries as things I do, and I appreciate the kind thoughts that underlie such an association, so thanks, really. It is very important to me that people are having fun, particularly with such an enamored group of players, but I do think I may have been less concerned about the discordance in such a way that it would be easier to find my footing if I had TMI right now, even if I'd still try to put everyone at more ease publicly. As it stands... I just sort of feel like I'm dipping my toes in the pool, trying to get a feel for things, and if that means people are going to be hesitant to town read me because I'm hurling softballs or whatever, that's fine I guess, but I just don't feel like waiting for me to produce is a good way to find me as town. I guess I don't know where I fit in with this town at all yet, and that's not a comforting spot to be in... I like feeling like I have a specific purpose. I realize someone could just say well, make reads, do your own thing, but I am not going to force reads that I don't have (hence the questions), and I don't function well in a corner. I'm not expecting anyone to help me with that, it's my place to try to optimize how I can help win us this game, just musing aloud about it. I'm probably >rand in terms of being a self-oriented person, and I'll try to keep such perspective to a minimum and let you all figure me out or find me however you'd like, but I have a direct responsibility to make myself easier to find from my end too, and I wanted these things said nonetheless because I feel like at least some players will struggle to find me based on what's been said already. Anyway, without further ado, a reads list.

Strong town
Dizzy - As the player I know the second best out of everyone here, it's natural that I have thoughts here. Dizzy could do anything as scum, I'm convinced, and he could do anything as any alignment to some extent, lol. Wide range is accurate. He's fooled me embarrassingly before, but I don't know, I think the universe in which Dizzy assessed his place in this game with a town role card better matches his behavior thus far than if he were scum. This is mostly driven by a self-centered read actually, so I suppose while it's close to strong now it could also be the most subject to volatility with additional factors, but he and I have a long-standing joke about how we never role the same alignment (I swear it's true though), and I was anxiously awaiting how he would interact with me with an entrance here. I think the way he played to me here reads pretty genuine. The way he played to the thread is worthy of a light town read (update: with his recent posting, I probably feel even better about this particular assessment, he seems carefree). I also think this re: Gavial seems unnecessary if he's scum. I'm not worried about Dizzy right now, even if I maybe should be.
nutella - I wouldn't say nutella has an "easy" meta by any means because I think that's disrespectful to her abilities to play a variety of approaches as a seasoned vet, but she does have a tendency to just scream I'M A VILLAGER to me emotionally (and apparently to others whether through emotions and/or her methodology) when she actually is, and it's understandable that she has a hard time matching that as scum fairly often. To say the least, town nutella, that's what I'm seeing here. She is just oozing genuine emotion about the game, her position, I already thought she was seeming town given the "situation" earlier, but ever since then a lot of her posts have spoken to me. I can try to elaborate upon this when I have more time if it's warranted, but yeah, I'll just play the "I've known nutella for over 10 years and I trust myself enough at this point to be able to read her" card whenever I do feel strongly about her alignment, and that is the case right now (insert disclaimer about reassessment). Please do not yeet her.

Moderate town
Vulgard - This is the solving that just seems... very natural to me. I guess I'm not the only one, so I'm probably sheeping that to some extent too, to what degree I'm not sure. I agree with him about Arete seeming cautious, and I share some of the same concerns (Hally) and I think the recent approach towards spf seemed >rand hard to fake. I also like the lines of questioning, like here. Sort of a no-brainer town read, but not willing to put him up in strong yet.
Zack (bronana) - Zack seems fine, I need to interact with him to better sort him, but I skim through his ISO and it seems believable enough as solving (and shitposting), but this is my favorite Zack post for sure, it just smells like the town Zack indignation I'd expect. I suppose it helps that I don't currently have a town read on c4 myself. I don't sense an agenda in Zack's posts.

Light town
Alison - This is an incredibly light read, but between Alison's declaration of no reads and the way came to the discussed suspicion here are believable as genuine town Alison thoughts. I think she may feel more pressure to tryhard if she were scum. However, she also can and will throw out town reads like they're candy and come to some unique perspectives when she's town from what I've seen, so I don't want to unfairly hold her to a standard, but I am sort of checking my watch waiting for her to get truly invested to assess a better read.
dya - I read their frustration as genuine even if I'm not sure if it's really alignment indicative at all. Beyond that, I see enough "poke" statements for lack of a better term that I like that GTH I'd sort them as town.
spf - Lots of genuine gear turning and poking and pushing the thread, and based on what has been said about her (more "words" as scum), this seems to align more with a theory of town spf.
Visor (outed wolf) - As much as I've interacted with Visor from time to time, have we actually played together? I can't remember. Anyway, Visor seems legit. This is probably the most reliant on soul read of my light towns.

POE
Amy - Amy's doing things and I feel this placement is sort of unfair to her, but I'm just not getting there on her at all yet, and that's probably a me problem, and I'd like to bridge the gap. Her tone is fine, she has made some efforts to solve, I just don't see them as genuine or anything yet and I can't place her emotions anywhere. I'm still sort of clueless as to why she's getting townread. She has 35 posts and I can't really tell anything AI at all in them personally, and that's a bit concerning.
Arete - I don't know whether I buy Arete's push on me or not still, something isn't squaring with me about it and I'm not sure how to clarify. The policy push on Dizzy is just bad at face value, but I'm not sure whether it makes them wolfy.
c4 - I think I can get somewhere to find c4, but as of now nothing. The reads list is somewhat opposed to mine, I'd like to try and figure out and reconcile some differences of opinion.
Gavial - Yikes, this ISO is a nothingburger. An easy d1 yeet candidate. I just don't think alignment can be assessed unless Gavial (Seth?) steps up his game. I also defer somewhat to you who know him better.
Hally - I'm sad to report this, but I'm not feeling Hally yet and I really need to talk to them. I appreciated their explanation of Arete's push of me but I'm having trouble seeing eye to eye with them about that. We agree about nutella and Vulgard, but I'm not really sure how Hally reached those conclusions enough to make a determination. I might GTH them town so they're probably the person in my POE I least want to vote out right now, but I still couldn't place them in the above category.
KZA - I'm not sure what to do with this ISO at this time. Help.
Marluxion - I'm not sure what to do with this ISO at this time. Help.
sunbae - This is the battle of my brain and my heart... for sunbae. My brain says sure, he's town, but my heart says no (and whacks the town read away), so I guess he drops to here? I'm not sure where to place him, maybe he needs his own "sunbae???" category. There are complex thoughts and gears turning, but I don't sense a town agenda yet. I'm not sure how to explain it, but it feels off to me, he doesn't emotionally match what 1 day we had in the Voxx 9er and I'm not sure I believed his thoughts on spf were real. I don't need him to like, spend time convincing me, I'm hoping and assuming a light switch will go off at some point.

I don't have enough of a sense to sort within tiers, so they're alphabetical for now. Maybe I'm concentrating too much on people I know and being fooled, lol.

These feel mostly like foggy thoughts outside of nutella, so this isn't presented in a way that's supposed to be anything but ranting (and trying to keep it short, oops) about a lot of cogs in motion, but due to the nature of this game and the post cap, I thought it'd be better to spectate and at least try and collect my thoughts to create a reads list and say some things, and then try to interact and post in a more preferred way.

Also, hi @Dyslexicon! I'd say sheep nutella if you'd like, I trust her and she seems to have an increasing handle on the game affairs. I am really excited to be on the same side here... I think it's true!? I hope.

Expect a Tangy wall at some point, and thereafter I'll be around to interact with people. Probably this afternoon Pacific time.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:44 am

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:35 am What’s villagery about that Arete post, Hally?

i think the first paragraph re: you responding to arete and apologizing to them as though you had TMI that they’re a villager is a villagery thing for arete to think

it’s not unfakeable and i have no idea what their wolf range is, but it struck me as genuine

Thank you!

(More generally, to you or anyone) in the future thank you for answering any of my questions, I may not get around to expressing it due to the post cap.

As for the Alison thought, I don’t find it an unbelievable thing for Alison to genuinely think. She sometimes has some pretty strongly delivered takes that struck me as... notable (for lack of a better term) in a similar way.

outed wolf wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:42 am few things:

1) think nutellas knee jerk reaction (and it is a knee jerk imo - seems obv and the justification locks it in) to a tangrowth push is probably the villageriest thing she has going for her. spf is obv right on nutellas posts earlier (just wanted to note this for posterity). i understand the emotion reads but i feel they are kinda lame and assume that nutella cant get annoyed as a wolf.

2) gavial votes, my understanding of their play means they (votes) seem fine but obv see how it plays out

3) dont think the tangrowth push by arete is wolfy and i understand how someone could get there, i entertained a brief push there earlier but i believe it is more likely to be tangrowth getting into ww after being out for a bit regardless of alignmnet (though i dont fault anyone for not buyin that)

4) go rams

5) if that alison post is real and not just haha faking xd its bizarre. like just straight up you cannot believe that as a villager

I wouldn’t say this is significantly due to being out of practice, but maybe it could be more than I realize. I feel like I took a similar approach in other games coming off of higher periods of activity, like... asking more questions of people at the beginning of a Champs game or something. But it’s sort of hard to remember.

Oh hey Dizzy is in this game too, omg did we finally roll the same alignment.

Or, really, I just idolize Sloonei. Who doesn’t?

I also just feel like... lots of wires seemed crossed to me. Asking questions of people in addition to giving me an “in” through to trying to see the game through another person’s perspective is another way to disarm volatility and get someone to step back and focus on something else.

I don’t want to insert myself too much into the discussion, but I do think one of my strengths as a player is to better the thread environment and... that felt more important to me than trying to pressure myself to feel like I have to have all the answers.

What’s villagery about that Arete post, Hally?

Arete wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:05 am

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:56 pm

Arete wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:54 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:52 pm I'm sorry you think my questions are filler.

why are you apologizing to me

(this is a serious question, to be clear)

Calling someone's questions filler implies that you think they're meaningless, and I don't like the idea of failing to contribute to a game, it's a disservice to the other players.

mrr

your post sort of felt like you were approaching it from the perspective of knowing that I'm a villager (as opposed a wolf trying to get you misexe'd) with the apology in particular feeling like you were trying to appease me

but your perspective basically makes sense from the perspective of you believing that (regardless of your alignment) I think you're being filler-y?

do you believe my push on you to be alignment-indicative?

(also to be clear I wasn't trying to imply that you shouldn't ask those questions if you are town and asking them helps you solve the game)

It does help me, but I understand why someone who doesn't know me that well may easily perceive them as not. I've gotten this sort of thing frequently enough before, especially from sites outside of here.

I'm not trying to appease you, just... I get where you're coming from, even if I know it's indicative of not feeling confident and trying to find my grounding with people as opposed to my alignment. I'm not really sure what the push means as to your alignment yet. And I appreciate the clarification! I wasn't particularly worried that you didn't want me to engage in it, but it's cool that you said that. It's good to remember everyone can bring a unique perspective and/or approach, and hopefully we can find a way to better find each other going forward if you are town.

Arete wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:54 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:52 pm I'm sorry you think my questions are filler.

why are you apologizing to me

(this is a serious question, to be clear)

Calling someone's questions filler implies that you think they're meaningless, and I don't like the idea of failing to contribute to a game, it's a disservice to the other players.

I'm asking questions because I genuinely want to know the answers, because I currently don't have any real reads other than sort of feeling nutella as town. I don't know most of you that well, and those I do outside of nutella I've only played with in limited experiences. I'm sorry you think my questions are filler.

I could just be scared of Amy pulling the wool over my eyes like in the voxx 9er, hehe, but I'm not feeling it yet. Can someone talk to me about why she's town?

I need to start combining my posts, but I currently would call nutella town, for whatever that's worth.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 10:38 pm oh my god now tangy is going to stress me out too we both have to learn to use multiquote aaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Yeah, I feel shackled already, lol... I'll try to find something. It's so weird.

Does someone want to talk to me about how to find spf as town (or scum, for that matter)? I saw her play in some of Jay's games I spectated but beyond that I'm at a loss for what she's said so far, it was... thorough. But I don't think I'd call spf a town read or anything.

Well, that was a weird catchup. I appreciate that stances are being made, but I'm a bit uneasy with the current vibes, I sort of think taking a step back from the main topic of discussion is probably warranted. Not that I'm trying to tell anyone what do! Just let's have some fun, right? This is a racket game, it should be fun!

I'm curious why Amy parked a vote on Alison, was it because Alison doesn't have any stances?

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:59 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:56 pm so you don't even know why you voted me? cool

visor hasn't given a reason either

worst vibes are from him tbh

what? is this directed at me? I gave a perfectly cromulent explanation when I voted. Also it's an two hours into a 48 hour d1 so lol.

is it normal for nutella to be this ... passive-aggressive?

She does seem more perturbed than usual, not sure what to make of that (from an alignment perspective), otherwise I think it's understandable.

I hate to be this person, but I feel like I need to ask for a TL;DR summary of what happened in Rocks Fall and/or any other games that are often spoken about that I wasn't in, lol.

dyachei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:25 pmsup

Omg is this finally our first game together? Speaking of which, pretty sure this is my first game with a decent lot of you, so this should be interesting. Does anyone other than bronana or outed wolf normally go by another username?

bronana wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:21 pm

outed wolf wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:19 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 7:18 pm might be a sucker but i kinda doubt w!amy dumps on zack first thing

i don’t think w!her sees zack as a viable push early on

dont wanna marsh your mellow but its an insignificant push early on in the game, i dont think anything of it. i doubt w or v amy expect to go anywhere with it (and zacks perfectly pushable cmon. just look at that face)

Here he comes. Here comes John Wayne. "I'm not gonna cry about my pa. I'm gonna build an airport, put my name on it."

Why, outed wolf? So you can fly away from your feelings?

I'm going to have a really hard time ever voting for someone quoting Arrested Development.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 6:35 pm I just got a raise ama

Yay!!

I'll be around later tonight I think, this cycle will be a bit strange for me, but knowing how I am, I'm sure I'll still run up against my post cap or something.

Hello friends, happy to be here!