The Syndicate

Okay, I buy Elo's recent explanation. Daisy?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:43 pm Concern: MP is holding Eloh to the standard I held Epi to. This isn't ideal, because Eloh and Epi are very different players with very different styles/tendencies.

Explain. I'm tunneling her, you mean?

what role are you claiming, sprityo?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:41 pm I was just informed I had lost my bulletproof vest please kill jjj

Wait what

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:39 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:37 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:36 pm Daisy, tou originally suspected mp. Why the change day 1 and why me today?
You don't seem to care whether anyone who is town dies, only whether you die. That's suspicious.
I don't agree with that assessment of her. In fact if I went based on her reactions to others, I would have read her as civ. But that comment, I can only see someone who has two role choices of the same alignment making it.

I can't make sense of that comment to be frank.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:39 pm Did Eloh role claim somewhere? I missed it if so

I didn't see anything. She just claimed to have not known that the role she turned down was mafia because she would have chosen to be mafia or something like that.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:39 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:37 pm
Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:36 pm Daisy, tou originally suspected mp. Why the change day 1 and why me today?
You don't seem to care whether anyone who is town dies, only whether you die. That's suspicious.
Thia isn't ture. I was genuinely saddened upon epis death

You're making no effort to discern whether I'm town or not. You're not engaging with me even though I'm desperately trying to engage you. You also have no other reads but then suddenly were feeling like Jay was town and you have yet to answer for that.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:36 pm Daisy, tou originally suspected mp. Why the change day 1 and why me today?

You don't seem to care whether anyone who is town dies, only whether you die. That's suspicious.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:35 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:35 pm I actually feel OK about Jay and Daisy at the moment. My gut has finally stopped yelling at you, Jay, at least momentarily.
Why?

I feel better about Daisy because her recent posts especially read as someone genuinely trying to solve the game.

I feel better about you (well, my gut does, my brain still says you're supatown) because of your recent treatment of sprityo. You seemed genuinely perturbed and confused at his behavior and it read like a genuinely frustrated townie.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:34 pm Y'all are nuts. Im voting MP again

For what reason though? You've provided nothing other than very vague gut-based assertions. You don't even seem to be giving me any chance to convince you.

I actually feel OK about Jay and Daisy at the moment. My gut has finally stopped yelling at you, Jay, at least momentarily.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:32 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:30 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:29 pm Ooook, Elo that is really weird because mine were clearly color coded. How could you possibly miss that? Plus the role had the name Mafia right at the start.

Ok, My mind may be changed on Elo.
I need help. I think Jay, Elo, and sprityo all look bad for different reasons. Whom are you voting?
Elo, for sure Elo.

Okay, I'm following you on this. I think her early confusion about the game could easily have been faked or genuine as either alignment, I think her comment about not choosing to be mafia makes no sense, and her reads are nearly nonexistent -- and what reads do exist seem plucked out of nowhere and not sincere.

VOTES ELO

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:32 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:28 pm Well the worst looking player remaining is sprityo. I'll attempt to reassess as quickly as possible.
What about Elo?
I may be blinded by sprit's bizarre logic right now, but she looks bad too.

See, I get that, but I'm actually thinking he looks increasingly genuine. Townies can be all over the place, and that's the impression I'm currently getting from him. I feel sincerity in his treatment of you.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:31 pm Didn't think of what? Epi might be hinting with his constant mention of government? Or why Jay didn't pick up on it. You not picking up on it would not surprise me. You are just as bad as me about role hints, maybe worse.

The former.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:31 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:29 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:28 pm oh wow. thats..... hmm. Yeah VOTE JJJ
That's the least authentic post of all time, so take a vote of your own.
Yeah....this is weord. I see jjj at total civ here

You just said earlier you had no other reads. When did this change?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:29 pm look at this:

Tunnel epi all day
tunnel epi all night
kill epi
"oh wow look someone is trying to blame me for this"

gets away

NOT TO MENTION Epi wouldve kept pushing on Jay again today, a risk that JJJ would not keep since no one else posed a risk to him with rico and epi dead

That's a good point.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:28 pm Well the worst looking player remaining is sprityo. I'll attempt to reassess as quickly as possible.

What about Elo?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:29 pm Ooook, Elo that is really weird because mine were clearly color coded. How could you possibly miss that? Plus the role had the name Mafia right at the start.

Ok, My mind may be changed on Elo.

I need help. I think Jay, Elo, and sprityo all look bad for different reasons. Whom are you voting?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:28 pm I knew he was referring to his role with the government lines. If I can pick that up when I am dense about role hints, then why the heck couldn't Jay? That's what I want to know.

I didn't think of it.

RIP Epi. Weird kill.

Looks like someone thought he had a power role, and he did. I can't think of any other reason the mafia would kill him with Jay going after him like that.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:27 pm Why would she say that if she discarded a mafia role? Or did I misread the list of discarded roles.

You tell me. I don't get it either.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:34 pm Tbh, I didn't realize I had turned down a scum role. I didn't even think to look if it were scum. I would have picked to be mafia if I knew I had the opportunity.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:26 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:24 pm See, that makes sense to me, and so my brain says you're cool. My gut says you're faking it. Hence my dilemma.
One reason you can trust your brain: multiple evil teams allows for legitimate hunting anyway. I'd have no reason for faking.

That actually makes sense, assuming of course we have multiple factions.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:25 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:22 pm Elo, what are your reads?
I'm stinkin overwhelmed. I really think you could be bad.

You don't have any thoughts on anyone else at all?

Woah, what's with all the repeated posts?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:24 pm I personally find Elo easiest to trust because I think of any of us she is the one most likely to choose town over mafia. I could be wrong, I don't know. I haven't seen a scum slip in anything Elo has said either. I think it was a bit of a stretch.

Didn't she say she would have chosen mafia though if given the chance?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:22 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:20 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:18 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:17 pm Quick ISO of Epi makes me trust Jay less.
If that implies you trust him at all, then please tell me why. I look at his posts and I see Jaqueline Shit.
That really surprises me if you are being honest. Could be why I'm not convinced you are.
I agree, something's wrong with Jay. He came to his conclusions that you and I are town too easily IMO. And his flip on Elo didn't read genuine.
Daisy looked authentic in her reaction to sprityo's fake Rico flip.
You looked authentic getting super pissy when she suspected you.

I don't give a shit how I look. I don't have time for that. Elo's forecast of the Rico flip looked a lot worse than Daisy's.

See, that makes sense to me, and so my brain says you're cool. My gut says you're faking it. Hence my dilemma.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:22 pm 1. your weird trust/not trust flipping

2. i mean her discarded role

Got it, thanks.

Elo, what are your reads?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:20 pm Look, my posts are the government. Some good stuff here and there, sure, but flooded with a ton of waste and purposelessness.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:20 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:16 pm sprityo, what exactly are your reads right now? You seemed like you were doing some things on D1 but I just couldn't follow where exactly your reads were developing.
alright check it yo:

Spacedaisy is trying her hardest to seem genuine, and it's believable so its a pass for me

MP is the same except he's not in the same faction as spacedaisy i feel. So they arent aligned meaning only one is actually town

JJJ was attempting supatown but is losing it due to pressure and constraints. looks bad, losing his cool

Epi is fucking around, which isnt the worst thing but not the best thing, since you simply gloss over him unless youre tunneling. One the keep an eye on, null

Eloh, i have nothing on yet. but had the best of starts, so leaning town still

Cool, thanks. I believe you. I think. Two questions though: why different factions for me and Daisy, and can you elaborate on what you mean by Elo having a good start?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:18 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:17 pm Quick ISO of Epi makes me trust Jay less.
If that implies you trust him at all, then please tell me why. I look at his posts and I see Jaqueline Shit.
That really surprises me if you are being honest. Could be why I'm not convinced you are.

I agree, something's wrong with Jay. He came to his conclusions that you and I are town too easily IMO. And his flip on Elo didn't read genuine.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:18 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:17 pm Quick ISO of Epi makes me trust Jay less.
If that implies you trust him at all, then please tell me why. I look at his posts and I see Jaqueline Shit.
Went to middle school with her.

LOL, okay, no way this is Simon.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:18 pm Jay seemed to make it out like Epi was doing nothing, and that is not at all how I read his posts.

He was clearly saying from early on he doesn't trust you, and he was defending himself from you as well.

There are more than jokes to be found in Epi's posts.

That's true, Epi did make a few observations in his post history. Not too much in the way of reads, but there's at least something there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:18 pm In the last burglary, I tried really hard and lost.

This literally sounds like Simon. Is this Simon?

I don't like how Jay doesn't seem concerned with figuring out whether I'm town or not.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:17 pm Quick ISO of Epi makes me trust Jay less.

Explain.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:16 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:12 pm Random thought:

Either Elo is bad and Jay is town OR Jay is bad and taking advantage of trying to set up Elo as a mislynch target for the subsequent lynch.
You clearly don't trust me much. What's your beef?
I don't know, my brain says you're totally supatown but my gut keeps screaming you just seem so forced.
Your gut is right. I'm forced as fuck. We have to be forced to find baddies in 20 minute increments.

Well, I guess that's fair.

sprityo, what exactly are your reads right now? You seemed like you were doing some things on D1 but I just couldn't follow where exactly your reads were developing.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:13 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:12 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:11 pm I need to never play another burglary again. It was sprityo? ::glares at sprityo:: Stop confusing me man!
golly daisy, ya just gotta readddddd

it's alright i made a mistake, you made a mistake, jay is scum

we're all even now
Reading is hard yo. I'mma just say words.

You seem jokier than normal. I don't know what to make of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:13 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:12 pm Random thought:

Either Elo is bad and Jay is town OR Jay is bad and taking advantage of trying to set up Elo as a mislynch target for the subsequent lynch.
You clearly don't trust me much. What's your beef?

I don't know, my brain says you're totally supatown but my gut keeps screaming you just seem so forced.

I literally have no reason to town read anyone right now. My gut is screaming Jay is bad despite the fact that he's the main one on D1 who did anything worth a damn. I don't know what the fuck Epi is doing. Daisy and Elo don't make sense to me either. That leaves sprityo, who I just can't figure out.

Fucking burglaries.

All of you seem suspicious as fuck.

Random thought:

Either Elo is bad and Jay is town OR Jay is bad and taking advantage of trying to set up Elo as a mislynch target for the subsequent lynch.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:11 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:10 pm Oh, I see what's going on here. sprityo I think confused Elo and Daisy at least by quoting that post by Quin from a previous burglary.
He confused Daisy. She confirmed, and I believe her.

Elohcin didn't say that though. She gave some other wack reason. No bueno.

Oh, I see. Weird.

Disregard then.

Oh, I see what's going on here. sprityo I think confused Elo and Daisy at least by quoting that post by Quin from a previous burglary.

Well, that fucking sucks. RIP Rico.

Did Elo just scumslip or am I crazy?

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:06 pm This is stupid. Of course he was civ. He wasn't here, so ddl probably gave him whatever role to help balance the game

????????

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:05 pm Wouldn't Ricochet KNOW his discarded role would be revealed?

I think so. I did. That's what DDL told us in the PM, right?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:04 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:02 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:01 pm
MovingPictures07 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 4:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:59 pm voting sprityo, his actions make no sense
And that's what makes him bad?
Throwing mud is great when there is some visible direction or intent. sprityo is throwing mud for the sake of it.
That's the impression I'm getting from him too. I don't see genuine townie hunting. Just wasn't sure what you meant.
The most genuine thing ANYONE can do this game is vote Rico for the statistical way he discarded his role, a bad play

We really have no way of knowing what the other role anyone picked actually was though. We'll see I guess.

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