The Syndicate

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:39 pm I’m playing mario party

[VOTE: sabie] aubergine

will check in later

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:36 pm So, basically, right now, I'm trying to maximize my chance of hitting mafia, and I feel like the way I want to do that is by picking out three people who I think are never mafia with each other. I want to pick three people because we have a D1 yeet, a D2 yeet, and a Vig shot.

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:33 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:27 pm So, here's a game. Pick three people that you think will contain at least one mafia. Mine is probably MP, Ran, and Hally.

mp/sabie/cayvie? but this really says nothing because odds are there’s mafia in any group of three i pick if i assume tony is ic

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:32 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:28 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:26 pm I don't think I want to yeet Mist. After Mist, I'd probably pick Cayvie to be safe.

Ugh, I'm scared that there's at least one mafia between MP, Ran, and Hally.

Sabie just seems really confused to me, and while I'm hesitant to call it towny, I feel it in my gut that it is.

Tony, where are you?

But why me, Ran, and Hally specifically?

I feel like I've got too many town, even though I don't. In the event that Sabie is town, and so is Tony, then I feel like I'm wrong somewhere among the three of you. I just don't know where.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:27 pm So, here's a game. Pick three people that you think will contain at least one mafia. Mine is probably MP, Ran, and Hally.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:26 pm I don't think I want to yeet Mist. After Mist, I'd probably pick Cayvie to be safe.

Ugh, I'm scared that there's at least one mafia between MP, Ran, and Hally.

Sabie just seems really confused to me, and while I'm hesitant to call it towny, I feel it in my gut that it is.

Tony, where are you?

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:09 pm @Mistyx you said something about sabie and how she handled the ic claims? can you talk to me about that? i didn’t get it

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:56 pm i feel like none of us have any clue rn. or maybe im just projectimg

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:57 pm the sad thing about this game is we don’t even get flips so its not like things will really become more clear with time. that’s so rip

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:54 pm hhhnnn i don’t know. i can see cayvie as town? but it’s hard when she’s not here. i don’t feel great judging her off two day old content. and if not cayvie, who is scum then? can someone sell me on a case? i dont think i feel good about anyone being scum rn. brain too dead

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:52 pm

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:19 pm i think the weirdest thing in-thread rn is sabie’s handling of tan’s IC claim vs tony’s

Wow me saying that is the weirdest thing in the entire thread? Thanks what an honor that is.
I mentioned it and the discussion went nowhere and then that was it.

It's okay though because I think everyone who does know me on here knows I am weird and I'm okay with that.

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:42 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:33 pm Hey Mist, are you still around? What are your reads right now?

sabie is the only read that could be considered a wolfread i think

hyena is my top town, cayvie #2

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:43 pm it seems like a lot of ppl think cayvie’s town? maybe i should look over her iso again. i kinda wanted to talk with her more but she hasn’t been here. i doubt thats AI though. she doesn’t lurk as either alignment from what i know

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:43 pm MP just taking a weak meta read from me should make me feel town but does make me feel mafia

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:43 pm ISO Links

cayvie
Hally
Hyena
M Plus 7
Mistyx
Ranmilia -- formerly Scirrus
sabie12
TonyStarkPrime

@sabie12

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:27 pm I could totally buy sabie and Ran as the team right now actually.

can you walk me through this?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:34 pm

Spoiler: show

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:32 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:29 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:23 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.

too short

What's too short?

sabie's hedgey post. wolf sabie spends time on it

Hmmm. That's an interesting point. Is this a sabie-specific thing or not... or like, is it backed by meta? I guess is what I'm wondering.

This is sort of a stupid Sabie meta thing that I think I saw someone up pick up on once which means I'm probably not completely crazy about it

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:32 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 3:44 pm Oh dammit how the hell did I just do that, their* role card and why they* felt comfortable talking about themself*

I'm so sorry, ugh.

oh i don’t mind she/her pronouns, you’re fine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:29 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:26 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:23 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.

too short

What's too short?

sabie's hedgey post. wolf sabie spends time on it

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:30 pm hi im like super tired and in a bad mood rn but i will try to see what’s going on here. sorry in advance if i snap or something

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:23 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:26 pm I feel like sabie's hedging on cayvie seems a bit opportunistic.

too short

Mistyx wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 6:19 pm i think the weirdest thing in-thread rn is sabie’s handling of tan’s IC claim vs tony’s

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:53 pm So, like, I definitely think it is possible that Ran actually did set up bait (the thing about Mist) to see if MP would question her about it. However, I also think it's in the realm of possibility that Ran made the post about seeing one major thing that could be scummy from Mist, forgot then remembered making it later on, then saw that it could be used to make a solid push against MP.

It's similar in concept to something I did in a game on ToS recently where I was scum and had to CC a cop. Earlier in the game, I had jokingly started saying I was Vig and was going to shoot people (one person D1, and did it again to another person D2), but when someone claimed cop who I had planned on yeeting for the win, I realized I could use those "I'm going to shoot you" posts as softing who I was going to check during the night even though they were, in fact, made jokingly without any intent to be used later on for my fake claim.

It's tinfoil though.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:42 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:41 pm I feel like Mist could have found a reason to push me that would not make me question her alignment if she were mafia. I feel like she has actually defended me more by just knowing how I tend to play D1 and being able to explain to people what I was trying to do. However, I don't know if she necessarily ALWAYS pushes for my yeet D1 as mafia even if she's capable of making it happen. Like, from my side, although I know Mist is very capable of finding me as mafia if I leave her in the game, I don't always try to get her yeeted early on since I enjoy playing with her.

I still think I would lean town on Mist though right now, just based on vibes.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:43 pm Is it weird that I want to tinfoil Ran being scum? lol

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:39 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:22 pm Hey sabie, I know you talked about your reads before but would you mind trying to like... arrange them in a list format or something similar?

I know I'm sorry I post in a lot of stream of conciousness style posts a lot. I'm not big on forcing reads if I don't feel they're real or I feel confident about them.

Also I'm going to be out and about for awhile hope to be back soon

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:36 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:20 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:01 pm

Spoiler: show

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.

hi sabie, i’ve been feeling pretty unsure this game so i don’t get what you’re saying re: me. what game are you talking about? and i just wanted to talk about pokemon. why is that scummy?

re: mp, do you remember what her scum game is like at all?

I'm sorry yes I should have specified. I was referring to the jack attack game. I felt you were more hesitant to vote in that game than here. just trying to work out my thoughts.


I see the thread is now leaning towards cayvie. I'm wondering does cayvie up and disappear as scum being accused or as town unsure of what to do? I've only played one game with cayvie and that was Upick. I'm not opposed to a cayvie vote I thought maybe her theory on hally and hyena was a genuine thought but then she hasn't come back and further discussed so ehhhh.

Why did you think that?

How would you summarize your experience with cayvie there?

I don't know I just thought maybe it was a genuine thought she had rather than a fake one but then she hasn't been back to discuss anything further since so now I'm not so sure.

I think cayvie was kinda in and out in that game as well if I remember correctly but that was also the game with 50 players.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:20 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:11 pm I guess the only issue with voting cayvie is it's real easy to just go after the person who stopped participating and isn't around to defend or discuss anything else.

Do you feel like that's what is happening?

I was just throwing that out there as I've seen that happen before to people who ended up being town. I guess I was also asking if anyone is more familiar with her and if that is her usual or out of character for her. As I said I only played the one game with her.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:34 pm I don't feel right voting Cayvie. The more I look over her accusation towards me and Hally, the less awkward and more pure it looks. Here's the post that started it all:

cayvie wrote: ↑Wed Sep 23, 2020 11:15 pm hyena/hally powerwolf duo probs

And, like, look at the posts surrounding it. Rereading it makes me feel like it was purely a gut reaction, especially with the lack of explanation for it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:25 pm Hey. <3 I'm here for a little bit. I also plan on being around for the entire last hour of the day for EoD stuff.

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:24 pm By the way I looked at cayvie's ISO in that practice game, and I'm not really sure I came to any solid conclusions from glancing over it, especially the early game portion.

I still think she's probably town here.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:11 pm I guess the only issue with voting cayvie is it's real easy to just go after the person who stopped participating and isn't around to defend or discuss anything else.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 5:01 pm

Spoiler: show

Hally wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 1:43 pm

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 7:31 am I am always a low poster in the beginning of games I am slow to start as I get a feel for things sorry that's just me. Also as I've said this week didnt go as planned for me but oh well.

I feel like this game is better for the scum team because they can kill us all easily and we won't even know for sure they're doing it.
Now that I can read ISOs I could maybe vote hally as they seem to have been perpetuating the random pokemon discussion and just seem different than the town game I saw before. Now that I read cayvie I feel her thought about hyena and hally may have been genuine but then she disappeared after Wednesday. I think tony is his usual town self. I could see maybe a vote for mist I don't feel like they're towny though I guess others do. I think MP seems like her town game before. I'm just not sure.

For now I will [VOTE: hally] aubergine I'm sure I'll get grilled about that but that's what I feel right now. In the other town game Hally was so unsure and thought everyone was town and didn't want to vote people and this game seems different to me.

hi sabie, i’ve been feeling pretty unsure this game so i don’t get what you’re saying re: me. what game are you talking about? and i just wanted to talk about pokemon. why is that scummy?

re: mp, do you remember what her scum game is like at all?

I'm sorry yes I should have specified. I was referring to the jack attack game. I felt you were more hesitant to vote in that game than here. just trying to work out my thoughts.


I see the thread is now leaning towards cayvie. I'm wondering does cayvie up and disappear as scum being accused or as town unsure of what to do? I've only played one game with cayvie and that was Upick. I'm not opposed to a cayvie vote I thought maybe her theory on hally and hyena was a genuine thought but then she hasn't come back and further discussed so ehhhh.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:52 pm

M Plus 7 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:33 pm

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:25 pm Interesting that you should point that out.

Can you talk to me some about how you form reads, and what you believe to be alignment indicative vs unimportant?

Point what out specifically?

Sure. I'm not sure what to say though. I played in Champs Season 5 (qualifier, wildcards, finals, the last of which never happened) and tried to play a bit after that but always ended up slanking (especially by my standards) until post-COVID when I came back, and I'm trying to improve my game. I feel like I generally rely on my gut but I've augmented that with analytical methods plenty off and on, which... will be harder to engage with this game since it's flipless. I guess I just try to understand whether I think someone is genuinely making reads and statements versus fabricating content. A good part of that is why I end up asking questions especially to players whose brains I don't yet know or understand. I feel like I'm good at finding town and not very good at figuring out when someone is scum so that's why I ended up gravitating towards an approach that plays to my strengths, but I don't try to force it either, and I'll be known to really find something I think is worth pursuing aggressively if someone answers a question or says something that really doesn't compute with my understanding of how their brain works in such a way that I think they're making it up. Does this help? I hope so.

That does help, thanks.