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Your posts were really great reads, too.But I do want to eliminate mafia, I don’t care if they are already mafia, or still just recruited, or JD. That’s what I don’t get, why is no one interested in eliminating someone who has admitted being a sin? I reread Dubz, and there are things I don’t understand. Her first post about her ability was about blocking Nook. Then she said she could make someone post less. I don’t see how posting less gets you blocked, especially when she said that all that happens is, she steals your vote if you fail. Why would she even use that ability on someone who was already a low poster?Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 2:06 pmwhy don't you want to elim mafia though?Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:56 pmThank you. If we eliminate a sin today, would that keep us out of Lylo, or maybe give us another day?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:41 pmIf Falcon's wounds remove him from the game somehow then this is lylo.Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:38 pmI don’t know what you mean here. I’ve only played in 3 or 4 games since anniversary game, and I was only wolf in one of them - LG+M, and I got called out the first dayI was under difficult circumstances in that game, but if doesn’t change the fact that I suck worse at being bad than I do at being town. Once upon a time in the classic years, I did ok, but not the way ppl play now
Please tell me if I’m getting this right. If we get a sin today, and John Doe gets a sin tonight, then that is hopeful for town, correct? But if we miselim a virtue today, or JD gets a virtue tonight, then it’s at Lylo?
Thank you. If we eliminate a sin today, would that keep us out of Lylo, or maybe give us another day?DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:41 pmIf Falcon's wounds remove him from the game somehow then this is lylo.Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 1:38 pmI don’t know what you mean here. I’ve only played in 3 or 4 games since anniversary game, and I was only wolf in one of them - LG+M, and I got called out the first day
Please tell me if I’m getting this right. If we get a sin today, and John Doe gets a sin tonight, then that is hopeful for town, correct? But if we miselim a virtue today, or JD gets a virtue tonight, then it’s at Lylo?
I don’t know what you mean here. I’ve only played in 3 or 4 games since anniversary game, and I was only wolf in one of them - LG+M, and I got called out the first day
I was under difficult circumstances in that game, but if doesn’t change the fact that I suck worse at being bad than I do at being town. Once upon a time in the classic years, I did ok, but not the way ppl play nowIt is my understanding that if a virtue dies today, or tonight, then Dubz becomes mafia. Maybe I have it wrong?Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:57 am Well, if I have to trust Wilgy as town, which is very hard at this moment, that means Falcon is the other one by logic of him being in critical condition (caveat a gambit from scum to present him as almost dying without it to be the case, but that's not a tinfoil I am willing to entertain today).
So everyone else would be scum, so
Maybe that's not really the case?
We never chop Dubz btw, if there's a small chance for town victory it comes from the wolves killing her if we chop a sin today because I understood in that case she becomes town and she is confirmed.
Please correct me if i am wrong that's from the top of my head.
Now. I see an effort from everyone to solve and all but I waited something more substantial, more lively, more concrete than what I read in the last posts.
Sigh
I am willing to accept a weird stretch. For instance, Seanzie said that as soon as he turned in a name, he got the persons alignment. In another post, he said he knew he was going to die. Scotty reminded everyone that he has to work and sleep and stuff, but he would handle the day actions as soon as he got them. Of course, I’m paraphrasing, but it doesn’t change the meanings. So idk, it just seems to me that it was an opportune moment for you.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:39 amThis doesn't address that there's 0 way that I managed to submit a kill on Seanzie, and only simultaneously with death they pulled me from PoE. The theory that Seanzie died from another source and I got lucky makes more sense than this.Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 27, 2023 11:27 am I reread the Seanzie/Wilgy pages yesterday. The first time around, because I’m suspicious of everything, I thought Wilgy might just be opportunistic, but there were no CCs, so I accepted it. But on rereading, and thinking about how Seanzie plays, (he likes to trick people by saying something, but not meaning it, and then after he has them in conversation, he tells what he really thinks). Now I believe that Wilgy must have killed Seanzie. Even if Wilgy thought he had fooled Seanzie, it would be too risky to let Seanzie live. With Wilgy not posting until after Seanzie died, it just seems too much to ignore. My vote will most likely be on Wilgy today.
@Thunal33 when I saw the role on page one, I was in the process of putting it together with the things Dubz had said her abilities were. I’d like to think of her as potential town, but I don’t think the numbers add up for that. I’ll go back to pg. 1 and count up. If we are going for a sin, I would vote Dubz, but if we are aiming for JD, I will vote Wilgy.
The world doesn't work like that. If your argument is 'the universe lined up perfectly for wilgy to be opportunistic' then you are willing to accept a weird stretch.
I wondered the same. The role isn’t dead yet, but Diligence is dead. Maybe a mistake, or maybe when diligence died, it affected her counterpart?
I’m sorry, I should have used sarcastic orange for that part. I was saying in a roundabout way, that Mac was JD, and of course, he wasn’t going to kill himself. So he was safe enough outing his ability.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:32 pmMata naming Mac here would be taking a risk as JD. I'm a little confused about the section of the post on Mac since it looks like she had him in her PoE but then says she's grateful for his sacrifice.Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:41 am @S~V~S while I agree that the game can’t be completely based on the movie, I firmly believe that John Doe knew who the two detectives were, just like in the movie, and just like in the game’s opening story. Of course he can’t nk them, otherwise, what would be the point? But he can try to get them lynched.
So how is this for solving? Look at the votes for Portia all throughout day one, and the conversation around Portia, and bob’s your uncle. Bam, big man is gone.
Obviously, my thoughts return to either Mac or Zenon. If Mac is John Doe, and has an odd night tracking ability, then I have to wonder what his even night ability is. Well, he did mention that now he had outed himself, he will probably die. And yet he fearlessly continues being the self appointed game leader. How brave! And why not? He knows Doe will not want to be tracked, so we’re grateful for your sacrifice Mac.
I came here last night to catch up and try to float this idea about John Doe, but I was so busy picking my jaw up off the floor that I never got around to it. Anyway, I hear that Stockholm syndrome is going around and I sure don’t want to catch it, so Im outta here.
Because I’m rarely sure of who is bad on the first day of a game. My usual practice is to see who has the most controversy around them and if I can’t get a better vibe or gut feeling on who is bad, then I choose the person with controversy. In Tutuu’s case, it was pointed out that she may have slipped, but I didn’t immediately think she was bad because of that. Her explanation could have very well been true. But then her posting style changed enough that a few people commented on it. A few people said they didn’t ever remember her posting so much, or using all caps. So my vote for her was because maybe she did slip, and afterwards felt like she might as well just have fun with it because she figured she had been caught. And I know that’s not much of a case against someone, but it’s very hard to find a wolf on day 1. So I chose the only person I saw who was acting in an odd way.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 26, 2023 12:17 pmLooking at Mata rn I'm wondering why she voted Tutuu out of the three since Tutuu didn't fit her expectation of a lone wolf while the other two did. Because Tutuu could be an aggressive JD doesn't mean she was likely to.Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:15 pm I’ve been trying to decide who to vote between Tutuu, Michelle, and Doom. I would expect a lone wolf to keep up a presence in the thread, not too over the top, but not slanking either. Michelle and Doom fit that expectation, but Tutuu could be a very ballsy player who tried an aggressive approach instead. I’m probably going to vote Tutuu, but I’ll wait a bit longer.
The fact that Mac said he tracked Kate to Dennis before Sean volunteered his info, and then Mac seemed very perturbed afterwards is what made me more suspicious of Mac. I posted again about this, because I wanted to know where Mac was going with it. Was he going to ask what Kate happened? Or was he going to ask what her thoughts on Dennis were? Why was it so important to out himself so soon in the game, just to say he tracked Kate to Dennis. Then Sean joined him which was actually good news, but Mac seemed to be angry over it.Dubz wrote: ↑Sat Jun 24, 2023 3:55 pmEh I'd read attempts to undermine town leadership as pretty scummy, there was definitely some paranoia floating around about him and her post misrepresented events just slightly as well. Whereas I would expect town making that push to have actually investigated the sequence of events and realized that Mac posted about the tracking before Sean revealed his info.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:41 pmHonestly I had thought similar about Mata at different points, especially when she talked about Mac being JD. If she knows or thinks Mac is town, that's a fight that's incredibly stacked in Mac's favor and imo not something evil Mata would try to instigate. It's quite possible Mata is evil that genuinely thought Mac was bad but I think it lowers the odds somewhat.RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jun 22, 2023 10:37 pm Mata has had some points where they have said things and I just nod and say "yep that follows and it feels like they have thought that through and believe it"
you, Kate, and Roxy know me pretty well. While I was reading isos last night, I did stop to catch up on Silo. It’s too good to miss. And it’s true that I only sign up for these games as a favor to Kate, to help get the games started. But once I’m in, I am committed to it. And wow, this game is fantastic! It’s definitely a different spin on regular mafia games, can’t wait to find out what’s behind all the ??? at end game. A time bomb is a person who explodes if they are killed in any matter other than an elimination. When they explode, the person killing them dies too.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:27 pmI don't think that feedback necessarily means Nanook was blocked and it could be that my action didn't work. What's a time bomb? I've never played with one.Matahari wrote: ↑Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:38 pmDoes this feel like truth, or does it feel like a very convenient answer? I’m not trying to throw shade at Thunal, I’m aware people use a new criteria for solving. But I’m an old dog who can’t learn new tricks, so by the old way of solving this answer just sounds like something cooked up in a mafia chatroom, since Nanook had said he was blocked. Is there even an actual chatroom in this game, I’m guessing there could be, at this point, but I guess wrong a lot.
I can’t believe there are so many deaths happening. It makes me wonder if a lot of people have kills, or do some roles work like time bombs? Do new games even have time bombs anymore?
I am going to iso some players, Dubz first then Michelle. And probably everyone so I’ll be back this evening with a PoE.
Since pyxxy and Dennis already flipped mafia, I'd guess there is a mafia team at this point. I want to approach this game from the angle that there is since I think one way JD is catchable is if they have teammates that want to protect him.
Does this feel like truth, or does it feel like a very convenient answer? I’m not trying to throw shade at Thunal, I’m aware people use a new criteria for solving. But I’m an old dog who can’t learn new tricks, so by the old way of solving this answer just sounds like something cooked up in a mafia chatroom, since Nanook had said he was blocked. Is there even an actual chatroom in this game, I’m guessing there could be, at this point, but I guess wrong a lot.
When Mac said he tracked Kate to Dennis that night, I can't help but wonder what he was going to say next. Before Seanzie popped in. He couldn't out Kate or Dennis, because iirc, trackers only learn who targeted who. Was he going to ask her what her ability was, maybe? Mac did express interest in talking about our abilities. Maybe that's a question for @MacDougallThunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 8:37 pmMac outed the track before Sean outed his BTSC stuff.Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:42 pmThe best question itgDubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 21, 2023 1:13 pmI'd be lying if I said I didn't find this post intriguingMatahari wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 1:32 pm I have questions. Bear in mind, that I’m an ancient and come from the school of looking for evidence, as solving, rather than just throwing out suspicions willynilly and be accepted as town because of that.
@Epignosis you suggested the first night kill may have been redirection. I’m not sure how you arrived at that, or if it was just a suggestion, like a possibility in a role madness game. Can you clear that up?
@MacDougall I don’t know where to start. I tend to believe you are JD. After outing yourself, it’s logical that JD would want you gone, but you weren’t nk’d. When Seanzie said he was going to check you, you were trying very hard to change his mind. Then Seanzie dies.
Maybe you’re being framed idk. John Doe is supposed to gain mafia partners, but maybe John Doe is supposed to kill the sins, just like in the movie. He’s a lone serial killer who believes he is smarter than everyone else, so I could see that happening. When you said that you tracked Kate, maybe you ‘stalked’ Kate. In other words, maybe you’re just claiming to be a town tracker, but you’re an SK who stalks on odd nights. Idk. Or maybe JD is not supposed to kill the sins, and when you said you tracked Kate to Dennis, you didn’t think about someone else popping up with more info, like Seanzie did, so you had to sacrifice a potential partner.
Or maybe I just don’t trust players who lead the thread, thinking of Golden in the anniversary game here as a great example. I’m trying to be rid of preconceived inclinations, and trying to balance circumstantial evidence with a lot of maybes. It’s overwhelming in role madness games to try and feel sure of anything. But for now, I can’t help feeling you’re the big bad.
@pretty much anyone, what was the sequence of events with the Kate/Dennis outting? Did Mac bring up the tracking before or after Sean outted Kate?
@Thunal33 do you know the answer?
Isn’t omgus meaning still the same as it used to be? Like if someone suspects you, and you suspect them back solely because they suspected you first? I hesitated giving my impression of Zenon because she had listed me as a suspect once or twice. But my reaction to her day one actions weren’t because she had suspected me, they sort of came into focus after the night kill. And I’m not married to it, but I still don’t feel great about it.Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 3:36 pmWhy would you care if it sounded like omgus, especially if you were willing to sacrifice yourself before?Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:12 pmI would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?
@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?
@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?
@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?
@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?
And speaking of Portia, her role had a 1x day kill, I’m surprised she didn’t use it before she was miselimmed. I sure would have, she must be a lot nicer than I am.
I still trust most of the people I listed yesterday, but I’m wondering why people don’t trust Dennis. I’ve never played in one of his wolf games, so I don’t have anything to compare. But I haven’t seen anything that catches my eye yet, where he is concerned.
Anyway, here's where my head is at:
Town:
Michelle
Zenon
Kate
SVS
Dubz
Townlean:
Falcon
Tutuu
Epi
Roxy
Nanook
PoE:
pyxxy
Rondo
Sean
Jack
Dennis
Matahari
Wilgy
Mac
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 12:03 pmI confuse that one with LGM. I only played part of Anniversary, so they tend to run together.Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:50 am @Kate Congratulations to Andrew @Roxy you are fierce! This is why I love you.
@S~V~S I remember the days when we both suspected each other right out the gate. I feel like I’ve learned to be patient and give it time too. I am confused about something in your post, when you mentioned the anniversary game. Not sure if you were talking about me or someone else. But I didn’t actually play that game, I was an observer and was allowed to have btsc with you one night, plus I got to vote GoldenSomething I love to do!
If I had to name my top suspect GtH, I could name someone now, even though I don’t want to yet. I like to observe awhile and keep my thoughts private. Early game it’s hard to be 100% certain about anyone, I just do the best I can. So, I’m going to continue observing.
I would say that I don’t want to say because it would sound like omgus. But maybe I should discuss it so I can get some feedback. I am thinking that Zenon did some very strange things yesterday. She made such a fuss in the thread about Portia and Tutuu being town and then at the last minute let Mac persuade her to vote Portia. She also made a fuss about my vote for Doom. Then Portia dies, followed by Doom. Idk, but it feels like a sham. Like Zenon pre-cleared herself from any wrongdoing, and who would suspect her after she was so vocal about trusting them? It just feels really ick to me.Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:44 am @falcon45ca where are you today with your thoughts?
@Matahari what be your reads after the last elim?
@pyxxy what did you make of the NK on Doom? Does it affect your reads today?
@Dubz where are you at in your reads today?
@Dennis do you have a rainbow or reads list yet?
Something I love to do!Thank you for that. I’m not familiar with anyone’s meta, so I appreciate comments like this, it will help me to get to know Doom better.Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:28 pmDoom is hella town pls don't make me have to lose my mind defending this.Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:15 pm I’ve been trying to decide who to vote between Tutuu, Michelle, and Doom. I would expect a lone wolf to keep up a presence in the thread, not too over the top, but not slanking either. Michelle and Doom fit that expectation, but Tutuu could be a very ballsy player who tried an aggressive approach instead. I’m probably going to vote Tutuu, but I’ll wait a bit longer.
Sorry, but you said in your earlier posts that you like to act bad and you find it easier to fool people into believing your town, when you’re bad. This caused me to possibly read more into some of your posts than I should have, so I’m not completely set on you, more like watching you.DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:22 pmI know its partly Omgus, but by god this is a terrible post.Matahari wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:15 pm I’ve been trying to decide who to vote between Tutuu, Michelle, and Doom. I would expect a lone wolf to keep up a presence in the thread, not too over the top, but not slanking either. Michelle and Doom fit that expectation, but Tutuu could be a very ballsy player who tried an aggressive approach instead. I’m probably going to vote Tutuu, but I’ll wait a bit longer.
