The Syndicate

I spent the day in the e.r. Yesterday, so I didn't get back to answer any questions, sorry! There were a few reasons for the decision to kill me off early, but the main one was to prevent MP from gaining any civvie cred

After being role checked very early in three games, and realizing that this game had six different discovery type roles, I thought it would be best to not ignore the possibility that I might have been checked. So I thought that in case I had been checked, we might get leads to who some of the disco roles were. Which is rather funny, after the fact. We had figured out that TH and SVS were disco/ or connected to a disco role, but for all the wrong reasons!

Anyway, our poor team got off to a dismal start! Rey never showed, BWT got killed first night, I was up for a lynch the next day, so we did as much damage control as we could. We pleaded for BWT to replace Rey, killed me off on the off-chance that if I wasn't exposed as a baddie, I could possibly be rezzed later- extending our team shelf-life, and then Bea stepped in for Summer, which we were so grateful for, thanks Bea!

Anyhow, it was quite fun in spite of being dead

Great game guys, congrats to the corporation! Thank you for hosting this, Dfar! Although I died early, I played it to the end, and bugged the crap out of my poor teammates. They must have the patience of saints!

Are you going to post a list of night actions Dfar? Please and thank you?

Thank you host and players! It was fun while it lasted.

and have a lovely Christmas, everyone!

Mister Rearranger wrote:^Then you should be lynched early and often until you conform like the rest of us sheeple!

Matahari wrote: Oh I see. You said something to me in a post about not answering your question, then later I posted some off-topic, and you asked "is Mata OTified?" I took that as a snarky way of prodding me into sharing my game thoughts. (And don't get me wrong, I love snark! It's my kinda language)

I was totally thinking you were posting that random OT message on purpose, which confused the hell out of me, haha.

I did pick out the people I want to analyze further from the Mongoose voters. They are listed in a previous post of mine. If you need further elaboration on any one of those names specifically, don't hesitate to ask.

sorry it wasn't you I should have asked. It was Turnip who said that he hadn't had time to look at the hoppers.

So, I'll try again. TH have you looked yet at the people who voted mongoose without any reasoning behind it?

Tell me, MR, have you gone back to look at the actual bandwagon hoppers yet?

Mister Rearranger wrote:The second one does seem to have been prompted by MP.

The first quote was after your catch-up, the way it reads to me.

Oh I see. You said something to me in a post about not answering your question, then later I posted some off-topic, and you asked "is Mata OTified?" I took that as a snarky way of prodding me into sharing my game thoughts. (And don't get me wrong, I love snark! It's my kinda language)

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Matahari wrote:too many irons in the fire was referring to the feeling I had that mongoose may have been in a chat room as well as two games. The aftermath of the mis-post struck me as a baddie who was afraid she had slipped. I didn't name who might have been her teammates (although I was looking at APerson, Devin, and possibly Boomslang) for a number of reasons, the main one being: one suspect at a time. If I named the others all at once, there might be another free-for-all in the thread, and then the original case gets lost in the shuffle.

But...you were bringing up a lot of suspects. Here:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

and this one: http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 869#p44869

How is the above different from "naming others all at once"?

If I recall, you and MP both asked me to. I'll go back and find your post.

kneel4justice wrote:

Matahari wrote: I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Can you explain this "irons in the fire" comment. Was that saying you were suspicious or not, and why? I'm not seeing a definite opinion, but more of a playing both sides.
Also why did you mention leads to teammates but not go any further as to discuss who may have been her teammates.
too many irons in the fire was referring to the feeling I had that mongoose may have been in a chat room as well as two games. The aftermath of the mis-post struck me as a baddie who was afraid she had slipped. I didn't name who might have been her teammates (although I was looking at APerson, Devin, and possibly Boomslang) for a number of reasons, the main one being: one suspect at a time. If I named the others all at once, there might be another free-for-all in the thread, and then the original case gets lost in the shuffle.

Matahari wrote:MP, when I said 'where have you gone' I didn't mean you weren't around much. I meant 'where is the more forceful MP' that I remember. But svs brought up a good point, when she mentioned the lost game. you were a civ there so, feel free to overlook my first impressions. I often do

I noticed that you do a lot of dismissing of your own first impressions and I have to wonder why. It feels like you want to cover yourself in case evidence comes out which later disproves your opinions. It's like an excuse before an excuse is even necessary.
because I have impressions early on, doesn't mean they are always right. (See mongoose lynch)

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

I have some people to respond to, but I'll have to wait until tonight when I have more time.

Seriously, I do not follow what caused you to vote.

i followed a ping. I could have randomized or self voted because of not being 100% sure but I could do that half the game. I'm rarely 100% sure, so sometimes, I have to just go on gut. It's not always right unfortunately

sorry Mongoose.

I'm just checking in, I see I have a question to answer. I won't be free until 8 or 9 tonight so I'll answer then.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Do I need a strong excuse to vote for someone on day 2? I noticed that one person today, who hasn't even been playing, dropped in and voted mongoose out of the blue. Where was your outrage over that?

Well I missed that vote, whoever it was. And sorry if I don't have time to accuse everyone!

Matahari wrote:For the record, you, MP, and MR are solid believers in mongooses innocence. Did I miss any others?

This is an inaccurate portrayal of my stance on the subject. I'm not a solid believer in Mongoose's innocence. I just do not think any logical case has been made against her. And I find the people who are bandwagonning on her to be way way more suspicious than Mongoose herself.

Well, there are a lot of players in that bandwagon, and at least 4 of them did just kind of jump on. I still believe that making mistakes in a game can happen to anyone, good or bad. But going into panic môde after the mistake has been made - that pings me.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

But what? What happened that can't be ignored? And then you suggest we pawn her off as the rezzer's problem if she ends up being good. Way to have zero accountability for your vote with that comment, Mata. I wasn't looking your way at all before this post of yours, but it's hitting a bunch of my buttons.

TH, I made a posts about the things I wasn't ignoring yesterday. Try the intopic button if you missed my post.

Is this the post you're talking about, Mata?

Matahari wrote:SVS, I don't think the mishaps around mongoose made her good or bad; but it was how she reacted afterwards, very flustered, and that someone may have come to her rescue, AP. Those were the things made me think she might be bad.

These are just feels, which amount to guesses in some people's estimation. Feels can change, but

So mainly you're saying you're not suspicious of Mongoose for the actual Crosspostgate. But yet you think that AP came to her rescue, and you think Mongoose's reaction to the incident is suspicious.

Just to be clear, you think that AP, a person who hasn't made any noteworthy posts that weren't simply trying to incite chaos and randomness, came to the defense of the only player that was taking any real sort of heat at the time?

Do you really think that's likely?

And yes, your post hit my buttons. You currently have what I consider to be the flimsiest excuse for voting Mongoose.

Do I need a strong excuse to vote for someone on day 2? I noticed that one person today, who hasn't even been playing, dropped in and voted mongoose out of the blue. Where was your outrage over that?

For the record, you, MP, and MR are solid believers in mongooses innocence. Did I miss any others?

I think I got all the questions, if I missed anyone, please let me know and I'll look for it.

Turnip Head wrote:

Matahari wrote:Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

But what? What happened that can't be ignored? And then you suggest we pawn her off as the rezzer's problem if she ends up being good. Way to have zero accountability for your vote with that comment, Mata. I wasn't looking your way at all before this post of yours, but it's hitting a bunch of my buttons.

TH, I made a posts about the things I wasn't ignoring yesterday. Try the intopic button if you missed my post.

What you're calling zero accountability is just my way of looking for the bright side. If I wanted zero accountability, I would have missed the vote.

And, my post hit a bunch of your buttons? I don't believe you, sorry. I think your team has a plan going.

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

I disagree with almost everything.

Can you explain what and why? You might give me a different perspective.

1. You gave about 5 impressions. I would call that "some" and not "just a few". And I'm sure you've had more to say before.

2. I believe MP is civ, his play is kosher to me so far.

3. Well self-deprecation aside, my first impression of me is good, and I've felt ok about Dom. If I may ask: What was your first impression in reaction to?

4. I don't think that's why you're not suspicious of Mongoose.

5 and 6. I'm not trusting most still. SVS and Epi included.

1. Three impressions had not been previously mentioned. I had already spoken of my reaction to something Dom said, and also you. The second statement- I don't know what that even means.

2. He could be but he is still on my watch list

3. You can click on my in topic button and read my posts on that.

4. I'm not sure you understood my post about mongoose, or if you did, then your statement doesn't make sense to me.

5 and 6. Thank you for your thoughts.

Summer wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

When you say if Mongoose is bad, there are leads to her teammates, do you mean people who have suspected her, trying to distance themselves, or people who have been defending her? Because I think it would still be safe this early to defend a scum – bud at this point. Normally, it's cut and run, but I've seen scum stick by each other to the bitter end.

I'm thinking people were running interference for her.

I'm going to have to post these responses separately because of playing from phone.

Mongoose's last couple of posts sound like she might be sincere. But I still think somethings have happened that cant be ignored. I'm going to vote mongoose because I don't have any susps that are stronger cases yet. If mongoose is good, then I think there's a rezzer in the game who can fix it.

I have some people to respond to, but I'll have to wait until tonight when I have more time.

Mongoose wrote:Three Truths

1. I am a civilian role.
2. I like lemon cake.
3. I am not actually a mongoose.

if we're sharing, whenever Don't Look Back comes on the radio, I play air drums

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Matahari wrote:Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

I disagree with almost everything.

Can you explain what and why? You might give me a different perspective.

MP, when I said 'where have you gone' I didn't mean you weren't around much. I meant 'where is the more forceful MP' that I remember. But svs brought up a good point, when she mentioned the lost game. you were a civ there so, feel free to overlook my first impressions. I often do

Lizzy I have no clue. I don't think I've ever guessed right about her. But she is worthy of a reread, will do that tonight.

Trusting SVS is hard to explain. She can fool me just like most ppl can, so lets say I'm initially trusting her. The reason is because so far, what I'm seeing out of her is more like civvie svs. I think she keeps a lower profile when bad.

Anyway, the game is young. And I have some rereading to do. I might start with wifey, I've been ignoring her.

Off the wall?

SVS, I don't think the mishaps around mongoose made her good or bad; but it was how she reacted afterwards, very flustered, and that someone may have come to her rescue, AP. Those were the things made me think she might be bad.

These are just feels, which amount to guesses in some people's estimation. Feels can change, but

Ok caught up. I'm going to give a few impressions because that's all I ever have this early. There isn't a lot of history to draw facts and figures off of yet.

MP, where have you gone? This new MP has me wondering. He is very agreeable, and too flexible. I am aware he has been lynched early a lot lately, so maybe his posts are blendy-bendy because he doesn't want to get killed early again, but it's making me feel antsy.

I mentioned earlier that my first impressions on MR and Dom were not great first impressions. I am still watching them, but first impressions often change, so.... just watching.

I am not suspicious of mongoose because of the mistake or her otw view on lynching baddies. But I do think she might have too many irons in the fire (as in juggling games and chat rooms). I am trusting SVS right now, she seems her civvie self, (I know ppl hate it when their styles get compared, but it's all I have to look at this early) and I don't see a reason right now to mistrust Epig.

If mongoose is bad, then there may be some leads to teammates, so there's that.

Anyhow, that's where my head is for now.

Mister Rearranger wrote:Is Mata OT-ified?

I'm catching up now. Give me a little time sweetie pie.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Matahari wrote:

FZ. wrote: Ahaaaaaaaa. You people are way to advanced for me Still, my reasons stand. If you think someone is even a little suspicious, vote for them so if you're wrong, you voted based on what you believe. If you do it randomly, you have a really high chance of lynching a civ as well. And again, when you say you voted randomly, it's easy to avoid the suspicions later.

Dude, many ppl share your feelings but I find it a bit hypocritical coming from someone who has the right not to vote at all. The problem comes down to hating lynching a civvie on day 1. You might have a ping on someone, but it's really hard to actually get a baddie on day 1. I really like the way your site handles day 1; because it solves the problem of not being sure.

But we have to vote, so I don't hold it against people who choose to do what they feel the most comfortable with.

I don't really like the bolded part. I don't think that type of argument holds any merit here considering that it's a different site and different rules.

I might be saying this just because FZ's logic is the same as mine. But that one part of your quote doesn't seem like a valid debate or issue.

Linki

I can't see the bold on my phone, but I'm guessing you mean the comparison between randomizing and abstaining? I see it as being almost the same. On this site if you feel like you don't know who is bad early on, you can randomize (or self vote), on ksite you can choose not to vote at all. They seem like the same thing to me, but maybe I don't know the whole story of how it's done there. I could be speaking outta my arse ya know. Wouldn't be the first time

FZ. wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Most people who are voting randomly use this site: http://www.random.org/lists/

But I agree with you in general, I don't care for random votes, but I don't hold it against anyone either. This is an argument that frequently occurs in our games on Day 1 lol

Ahaaaaaaaa. You people are way to advanced for me Still, my reasons stand. If you think someone is even a little suspicious, vote for them so if you're wrong, you voted based on what you believe. If you do it randomly, you have a really high chance of lynching a civ as well. And again, when you say you voted randomly, it's easy to avoid the suspicions later.

Dude, many ppl share your feelings but I find it a bit hypocritical coming from someone who has the right not to vote at all. The problem comes down to hating lynching a civvie on day 1. You might have a ping on someone, but it's really hard to actually get a baddie on day 1. I really like the way your site handles day 1; because it solves the problem of not being sure.

But we have to vote, so I don't hold it against people who choose to do what they feel the most comfortable with.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Okay everyone, WTF is with the spread out vote???

I just spread the vote even more. Voted MR.

What do you think the spread out vote means? Do you think it was planned somehow?

MR, I don't think you directed the post about me to me. You directed it to the thread in general. If you want to ask me about the posts I made, then ask, I'll answer.

TH, thanks. Fwiw, I agree about MR's possible intentions. I feel like he is asking leading questions, which I see as an attempt to start something rolling. I may vote him since I can't make a comfortable decision about the other cards on the table.

Turnip Head wrote:The way I saw it, Epi and Mongoose were barely responsible for dominating the discussion. It was everyone else that made their tiff a big deal. I've only played one game with Epi but it took me roughly 12 seconds to realize that he stirs the pot for reactions. He certainly gets some.

I'd like to hear more on this TH. does this cause you to look at anyone in particular?

Hmmm. I have randomized, and then been convinced of the error of my ways. I've self-voted, and gotten votes because of it. I made voting no-shows my default day one if I wasn't sure who to vote, but again, I was convinced by others that it was a waste.

Now, in light of what I learned about ksite- that you can skip voting, or have a no lynch, I am rethinking all my pre-conceived notions. Randomizing, self-voting, and no shows are just variations on the idea of not voting at all. So I'm a bit pinged by ksiters finding those kind of votes to be wasteful.

MP- you asked for my thoughts? The first couple days are my 'feels' gathering days, and I have been slightly pinged here and there, but nothing I would take to the bank yet. I'll share some thoughts but they might mean nothing.

I can't really find mongoose suspicious for what she said- but she can be very good at being a baddie. So she might be bad, but I wouldn't connect her affiliation to her off the wall comment. Can't really tell anything about epig either yet. He seems to do this kind of vote on day 1, fairly often, whether good or bad.

I will have trouble trusting Devin (and Russti!) again after meat boy but in this post below, I was more pinged by Dom.

Dom wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:I have seriously no idea. This is all greek to me!
So, apparently the towers is HQ, so I'm just going with that.

This!!

I've played with you before, CBK, and I'm sorry to bring attention to you for this IF it doesn't mean a thing.

But this single post stood out to me among all of the giberish that has spilled out into this thread. You know who resides in the WWE HQ? The McMahans! And the Rock according to Epig's video. Despite DF having said that noone had info on the Day 0 poll, this feels like something a McMahan would say. So unfortunately MP will not be getting my vote today.

*votes*

So, the host lied to us?

It seemed clear enough to me that devin was saying he knew what the host said, but still thought a baddie would choose the towers. I don't necessarily agree with that, but it could be. but Dom did his little tricky thing there of twisting what devin said and making it sound like something different. I keep random notes when people say things from a false pov, but try to withhold judgement about it, in case it was a misunderstanding. But in dom's case, it seems like he does that a lot, and it reminds me of supernatural.

Anyway, it's not enough for a vote, that's just in the ping category. Back to devin, I thought he sounded kind of flip and in your face earlier, but mp knows his style better than I do. I'd rather observe for awhile.

Crapton of linkies, let me catch up what I missed.

Thank you ksiters. I'm not super comfy with lead-footers on day 1, but having a no lynch option puts a much better perspective on it. I wish we had something like that.

Mongooses comment made me do a double take, because I think no matter who gets lynched, the mafia will find a way to manipulate it. I can't come up with any reason for wanting to avoid a baddie lynch. Then I reread her post, and I got the impression that she wasn't comparing a baddie vs. civvie lynch, but rather a baddie vs. no lynch. I guess that sounds better but its still kinda odd.

I have a question for the ksiters. We used to play the aggressive day 1&2 thing at Stv too, but we almost always wound up lynching civvies. Then, the people who led the lynches would get lynched the next day, and most always, they were civvies too. It was awfully predictable, and eventually, people started slowing down in their scum-hunting a bit. My question is how successful are you guys at getting scum lynched on day 1?

Sorsha wrote:

Matahari wrote: No, I was just CyndyK there. I think I joined about a year after you left. Then I was DillyDally at Hedville, I can't remember if I was anyone else

I think I new that but forgot, we are friends on FB so I find it hard to believe I didn't know that

You were CyndyK on LP too right?

You know, I'm not sure. I think I signed up there as Mata Hari, and then maybe a year after that, little tiger convinced me to change it to matahari everywhere. But I can't swear to it- my memory is shot!

Sorsha wrote:

Matahari wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Anyways, I see that this is already starting to turn ksiters vs. syndicators (our name is better )
But! I think a part of me is going to like these ksiters. I myself find stirring shit up quite enjoyable

LPers, ftw!WEST SIIIDE

*votes Devin*

STVers unite!!








Yeah.... I'm an old geezer....

you're not the only one! I thought STV was tough, but it looks like ksite might be even tougher.

Were you matahari there too?

No, I was just CyndyK there. I think I joined about a year after you left. Then I was DillyDally at Hedville, I can't remember if I was anyone else

Sorsha wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Anyways, I see that this is already starting to turn ksiters vs. syndicators (our name is better )
But! I think a part of me is going to like these ksiters. I myself find stirring shit up quite enjoyable

LPers, ftw!WEST SIIIDE

*votes Devin*

STVers unite!!








Yeah.... I'm an old geezer....

you're not the only one! I thought STV was tough, but it looks like ksite might be even tougher.

Hi new people. And old people.
I voted PU.