The Syndicate

good night.

Too easy, Rob.

Did I move my vote?
No.
The more you fret about me the less I trust you.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 12:06 am Dom, Mac, Long Con:

Don't fuck this up because you want to be pedantic.

Is there an echo in here?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:37 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:37 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:34 pm Why am I alone in voting for Epi. He's clearly teammates with Elephant and Evenstar. Why the fuck are people letting him dictate shit at all?
He hasn’t dictated anything

He’s the last person to vote iaafr
He talks a lot and people aren't telling him to shut up. That's too much lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:10 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:11 pm I gave iaafr credit for the rapid-fire posting, but no. That's easy to do when you never take a stance on anything. Post literally every possibility in the book, and look like you're doing work. It's noteworthy Evenstar never called iaafr out on this, yet I was berated multiple times for comparing people's Day 1 posts with Dragomir's.
This isn't a fair characterization of why Eva suspected you.
Eva actually-- as I posted in my comments about how Day 2 is a mixed bag for you-- liked your posting that. She only turned on you when you interrogated iaafr.
Newsflash: I don't give a shit what's fair to Evenstar.

That's not the point and you know it.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:32 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:29 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:27 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:46 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:02 pm Oh I should have asked @MacDougall too, Mac please read my previous post ^.
No they both seem town. Do they have to be w/t for some reason I am unaware of?
The assumption I made earlier in the thread is Dom is never scum with iaafr because of the level of hostility between them in level you guys were in. I haven't actually seen the argument but I trust the people that are telling me it was really bad. If I've made a wrong assumption tell me.
What does that have to do with the possibility of them both being town? You sound like someone with TMI to me.
lol and you look like someone trying to find an excuse to throw shade at me.

I do understand what you're saying though, they can be t/t. I was just thinking about it wrong.

Is your butt sore from all that fence sitting?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:33 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:01 am all y'all married and i will continue to sit here like a potato.
Don’t worry Dom, I am decidedly NOT married as well! Perhaps a Syndicate singles cruise is in order.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:33 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:33 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:01 am all y'all married and i will continue to sit here like a potato.
Don’t worry Dom, I am decidedly NOT married as well! Perhaps a Syndicate singles cruise is in order.
Fuck it, Syndicate all male orgy

: O

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:34 pm Why am I alone in voting for Epi. He's clearly teammates with Elephant and Evenstar. Why the fuck are people letting him dictate shit at all?

If there's one thing you know about me by now, Mac, it is that no one dictates shit to me.

I'm queen of my own castle and nobody is gonna take that from me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:42 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:20 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:17 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:29 pm If iaafr and pawn are civs, then I think Epi is much more likely to be bad.
Agreed
Empty thing to say. That literally applies to anyone.
Ok, why do you skirt the implication here, that this is an inference drawn from thread interactions? Dom's not doing math here, he's making connections in other ways. I know I don't have to explain this to you.
Still empty language.

Make people explain shit.

Don't let them say obvious shit and move on.

That said, Dom is not my enemy. But I don't let my friends say empty shit.

Let me say it more technically, just to please you.

If iaafr is civilian, you are much more likely to be bad than the average, still alive player based on your history with Eva.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:11 pm I gave iaafr credit for the rapid-fire posting, but no. That's easy to do when you never take a stance on anything. Post literally every possibility in the book, and look like you're doing work. It's noteworthy Evenstar never called iaafr out on this, yet I was berated multiple times for comparing people's Day 1 posts with Dragomir's.

This isn't a fair characterization of why Eva suspected you.
Eva actually-- as I posted in my comments about how Day 2 is a mixed bag for you-- liked your posting that. She only turned on you when you interrogated iaafr.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:18 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:03 pmIf anyone would like to actually engage with a point I've been making since Day 3, please, I welcome it.
It's a good point that iaafr didn't question Eva's doublevoter claim. I think he said that he was happy to have the suspicion off him, so he went with it.

If he were Civ, and believed she was Civ and just guessed wrong... I don't think it's that big of a deal.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:35 pm Some good discussion today, but notably missing was @Lady LambdaDelta . [VOTE: LLD] aubergine Where are you?
Yo-- you gonna actually engage in the game or just call out someone you saw someone else suspect?
I saw myself call her out 21 hours ago. Is that who I'm copying?

You wouldn't question the motives of someone who is randomly labeling you a pretty powerful civ role?
You wouldn't question the motives of someone who basically painted NIGHT KILL ME on you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:50 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:03 pm
Just one?
Bruh.
You've hardly supatowned this game. You haven't earned that.
Wtf. I am saying that I have made one jokey post about people should be sheeping me and you reacted like I've been just acting like I'm bomb ass shit.

I mean-- you have been.

You usually have a reason to, though.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:59 pm iaafr is good: Where do we go?

iaafr is bad: Where do we go?

Good-- pawn, hyena, you, maybe this lexi

Bad-- pawn, hyena, lexi

It's just like... I bring that up and people go "but he seems civ" and then say "I don't care who you don't think SEEMS like a teammate"

pick one hoes

The fact that iaafr did nto remotely think about the claim Eva made about him.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:03 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:56 pm Hyena-- you are willfully misconsruing the point of that post.
I didn't read the entire interaction. Sorry about that. ;-;

Do you do that often?
Comment on things you don't read?
Or do you just hope people don't call you out for it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:14 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:56 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:53 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:49 pm Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.
I have voted for Dragomir AND Elephant AND Eva. Does that mean I have a good record? Like, what constitutes having a good voting record and how is it AI on its own? Nutella helped mislynched THREE townies, as Eva would put it, while you and others were gone in a different thread. Is her voting record better than Mac's?
Nutella wasn't boasting about how right she was about everything.
I made one semi jokey post.

Just one?
Bruh.
You've hardly supatowned this game. You haven't earned that.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:16 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:35 pm No one is actually responding to that. They are just going with their previously held beliefs.

Listen, this lynch really shakes my belief that Epi is bad. If I am wrong about iaafr, then I truly have a hard time finding Epi civilian, but at least I'm trying to reassess the situation given new information.
I fail to see how iaafr being a civilian indicates that I am not.

Would that you might instead lean firmly on the other evidence that points to me not being on this team.

Consider Day 1. There is no way I would allow my Godfather to get lynched Day 1. No way. I would have done some shit to draw votes (and I had gained as many as five at one point) to ensure my lynch and make Dragomir look like the counter lynch candidate, thus buying him time (and yelling at him in BTSC for not showing up) before I let him go Day 1.

There's more, but I won't burden you with details unless I have to. The way Evenstar interacted with me should clear my name. Just my perspective.

I think there's an argument to be made that you could be aligned with Eva-- but not iaafr and certainly not both.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:55 pm I think I'm convinced iaafr is bad.

It's illegal to claim a role. It isn't illegal someone to speculate about the role someone else had.

Evenstar could check roles. If she checked nutella Night 1, she could undermine (or try to undermine) the interrogation I made against iaafr regarding his failure to vote someone Day 1 at a critical juncture.

At no point did iaafr question Evenstar's treatment of him. iaafr accepted it and hell, even embraced it, if memory serves.

nutella was not present to bury him.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

If anyone would like to actually engage with a point I've been making since Day 3, please, I welcome it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:35 pm Some good discussion today, but notably missing was @Lady LambdaDelta . [VOTE: LLD] aubergine Where are you?

Yo-- you gonna actually engage in the game or just call out someone you saw someone else suspect?

Hyena-- you are willfully misconsruing the point of that post.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:53 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:49 pm Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.
I have voted for Dragomir AND Elephant AND Eva. Does that mean I have a good record? Like, what constitutes having a good voting record and how is it AI on its own? Nutella helped mislynched THREE townies, as Eva would put it, while you and others were gone in a different thread. Is her voting record better than Mac's?

Nutella wasn't boasting about how right she was about everything.

And if you were Eva's team, what a safe place to vote yesterday.

Mac, you're not a huge scum read for me, but cool it

Mac acting like he has such a good record.

He hasn't voted for anyone who has flipped bad besides Eva.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:40 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:59 pm The Dom/Eva fight seems to start with Eva misunderstanding “you’re so bad (scum)” to mean “you’re so bad (at this game, you sucky newb)” and that makes her abrasive which makes him abrasive plus they scumread each other.

There’s no way Dom is ever scum with Eva. Eva does in the middle of the fight realize the above paragraph all by herself, which could be Epi interjecting the misunderstanding via btsc.

I feel like I’m constantly justifying an Epi scumread I don’t actually have because Dom is so sure a lot of stuff here is town indicative for Epi and I disagree.
I just am more sure of iaafr being bad and I view Epi and iaafr as incompatible.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:20 pm Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.
Can you respond to the whole Eva spent days convincing us iaafr was the double voter and iaafr didn't seem to give a shit thing or?
Lol no. I guess you should ask iaafr what the dealio is there. He just is giving me the vibes of le town.

I have.
He has only mimed what Radishes described and not responded to further inquiry.
Why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:40 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:24 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:20 pm Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.
Explain how Iaafr is town. Is it because he decided he’s going to sheep you on everything instead of playing?
If everyone did that we'd probs win tbh.

Spare me.

I dunno if someone is pegging me into a civ role I try and think about their intentions because I don't just trust them.

He didn't care that it didn't actually even make sense?

That's what gets me. The people like Pawn and iaafr who just *went* with her theory.

No one is actually responding to that. They are just going with their previously held beliefs.

Listen, this lynch really shakes my belief that Epi is bad. If I am wrong about iaafr, then I truly have a hard time finding Epi civilian, but at least I'm trying to reassess the situation given new information.

W H Y does iaafr not think Eva has an agenda for saying he's the double voter if he's not her teammate?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:59 pm The Dom/Eva fight seems to start with Eva misunderstanding “you’re so bad (scum)” to mean “you’re so bad (at this game, you sucky newb)” and that makes her abrasive which makes him abrasive plus they scumread each other.

There’s no way Dom is ever scum with Eva. Eva does in the middle of the fight realize the above paragraph all by herself, which could be Epi interjecting the misunderstanding via btsc.

I feel like I’m constantly justifying an Epi scumread I don’t actually have because Dom is so sure a lot of stuff here is town indicative for Epi and I disagree.

I just am more sure of iaafr being bad and I view Epi and iaafr as incompatible.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 5:20 pm Iaafr and Hyena are both giving me town vibes.

Can you respond to the whole Eva spent days convincing us iaafr was the double voter and iaafr didn't seem to give a shit thing or?

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:21 pm I'm not coming up with a third reason but maybe there's something from the dream level.

Speaking of which, I want to make sure I understand the alignment indicators from the disagreement that happened in one of the dream levels. Is this correct? If not please let me know.

Dom is never wolf with Eva.
Epi is never wolf with Eva.
iaafr can be wolf with Eva.
Epi is never wolf with iaafr.
Dom is never wolf with iaafr.

Do I have that right? I know there is distancing but from what I heard last night it was too hostile to be distancing. Was anyone else involved that I could draw alignment associations from? Like I said, let me know if I am wrong.

I'm not sure I'd say Epi is NEVER wolf with Eva.
But since I'm pretty sure iaafr is wolf with Eva... then he's never wolf, but more from iaafr than Eva.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:54 am
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 10:42 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:38 am I'm sick of losing games because people abuse each other into convincing me they can't be teammates. I'm done with that shit. In the past man.
That's fine.
If iaafr is not bad, then I think Epi is.

Does that make sense?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:46 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:43 am So I came baxk to clarify we should specifying should cause two cleans by two cops were at tye start of this ame one N0 and another full wanted to say make sure to have an accurate reads chart for that please cop so if you die we get the info since you can't claim it.

I am YELLING at how funny this is.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:00 am read TL's iso a little closer and uh

why is he so sure the extra kills are 3p and hwy is he so fixated on it

thats pretty scummy shit lmao
If you read the thread you'd know this has been discussed and you could comment on it instead of pretending to be original.
But you don't read the thread. You rely on your chat to fill you in and you make 3-10 posts in a row with zero thought put in because you think it makes you look good.

It doesn't.
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:25 am gotta say iaafrs incessant word vomit is a good look for him

it's like he's got no brain to mouth filter so everything that comes out seems unpracticed and genuine
Sis.
Why did he go along with a theory he was nutella's role if he's not bad?
And not just any theory-- EVA'S theory?
i have literally no idea what theory you're talking about

Spoilered below.
Eva came up with a theory that iaafr was the doubel voter and that's why there's no reason anyone should vote for him. Sprityo and I called bull.
Iaafr went along for Eva's ride.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:38 am I'm sick of losing games because people abuse each other into convincing me they can't be teammates. I'm done with that shit. In the past man.

That's fine.
If iaafr is not bad, then I think Epi is.

Does that make sense?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:46 am
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 1:43 am So I came baxk to clarify we should specifying should cause two cleans by two cops were at tye start of this ame one N0 and another full wanted to say make sure to have an accurate reads chart for that please cop so if you die we get the info since you can't claim it.

I am YELLING at how funny this is.

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 4:00 am read TL's iso a little closer and uh

why is he so sure the extra kills are 3p and hwy is he so fixated on it

thats pretty scummy shit lmao

If you read the thread you'd know this has been discussed and you could comment on it instead of pretending to be original.
But you don't read the thread. You rely on your chat to fill you in and you make 3-10 posts in a row with zero thought put in because you think it makes you look good.

It doesn't.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 6:25 am gotta say iaafrs incessant word vomit is a good look for him

it's like he's got no brain to mouth filter so everything that comes out seems unpracticed and genuine

Sis.
Why did he go along with a theory he was nutella's role if he's not bad?
And not just any theory-- EVA'S theory?

Do you think Mac votes on the same option as Evestar the day of her death?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:27 am Is lazy ass Mac a civilian?

I had doubts on Mac back on Day 2.

I'm unclear on where I stand with them now.

I feel your sentiment in my bones.

I'm running on fumes here but want to talk.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:06 am
Dom wrote: ↑Tue Nov 12, 2019 12:01 am all y'all married and i will continue to sit here like a potato.
Hey I know atleast some people here arn't married.

oh i've known some of these people for...

i feel old.

Guys, I think iaafr like this game better when he and Eve were unkillable in a dream level

do you, sprityo, accept my rose?

all y'all married and i will continue to sit here like a potato.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:55 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm There's faking emotion, but he knew exactly what he was doing to me if he's on a team with Eva. I just don't see him doing that to me at this point.

I'm trying to find a specific post that read to me as "they're definitely not on a team", but am having a hard time finding it. So many threads to look through.

Maybe you know where...

Epi called himself sexy or something and Eva was absolutely disgusted-- which always rang false to me because she participated in the weird anime sex thing that made me uncomfortable at the beginning of Day 2.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:14 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:06 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:05 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:02 pm

if you feel I'm a drag on the gamestate, then yeah, lynch me. but I'm not going to just jump and do whatever the fuck you think is the most important thing right now on your say-so. I'm not your dog, I have my own brain, and I am tired as hell after slogging my way through that F3. Go bother someone else.
You have your own brain. True. I implore you to use it.
I am. It's telling me you're scum. Have you perhaps considered that there might be something in your play you could correct that would make it stop doing that?
Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.
... are all the guys here creepy like this?
Did you take that seriously?

I was in a feud with these three people because they kept saying how shitty the people were here.

I don't think Epi eggs me on like this. I just don't.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:57 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:36 pm
Epi knows how upset I was and I can not accept it if he was egging that on.
You’re saying what though?

Wolf Epi would behind the scenes tell Iaafr to quit it?
There's a 0% chance he encourages Eva to speak to me the way she did.
I remember the Iaafr/Epi/Dom fight very well and the Eva/Dom one less so. I’ll take your word for it.

I sent more PMs to speedchuck about Eva than anyone else. And some I don't feel great about how I treated [mention]speedchuck[/mention] .

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:53 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:36 pm
Epi knows how upset I was and I can not accept it if he was egging that on.
You’re saying what though?

Wolf Epi would behind the scenes tell Iaafr to quit it?

There's a 0% chance he encourages Eva to speak to me the way she did.

There's faking emotion, but he knew exactly what he was doing to me if he's on a team with Eva. I just don't see him doing that to me at this point.

I'm trying to find a specific post that read to me as "they're definitely not on a team", but am having a hard time finding it. So many threads to look through.

Maybe you know where...

Epi called himself sexy or something and Eva was absolutely disgusted-- which always rang false to me because she participated in the weird anime sex thing that made me uncomfortable at the beginning of Day 2.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:44 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:48 pm Weren't people very suspicious of TL yesterday?
I didn't get it because I haven't read what I missed.

What do people in that camp think today?
Kinda came out of the blue tbh.

What do you mean?

Sigh. Day 2 from Eva.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:24 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 7:05 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:57 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:53 pm @Pawn Lelouch Mind explaining why you told me Mac was responsible for "crusading" on the Epi wagon when he... really didn't do dick all except have a bout of paranoia?
Since he is the person who basically started the Epi wagon and was the person who got people to vote on it.

Since no one actually posted any real reasons to put their vote on him outside of vague paranoia that mimicked Mac's. They just followed onto him out of fearmongering about Epi's scum game from Mac.

So from my perspective Mac is by far the most prominent reason and person why Epi was a wagon. I stand by what I said.
Okay, this is a much better answer. I do agree that Mac was the catalyst, but IMO the jumps on looked very opportunistic and scummy, which said to me that Mac was a wrong townie getting taken advantage of by uhhhh fuck I didn't write it down I was expecting to have the thread still

Epignosis do you recall who followed Mac onto your wagon? There were like three votes in quick succession, I think one of them was Iaafr?
MacDougall was one. iaafr was one. Hyena was one. novaselinenever was one. There was one more, but it is eluding me. The most I had at one point was five votes.
Yeah Nova super deserves pressure today after following Mac like that.

Speaking of which, @Macdougall: Stop overthinking and get out of your Epi tunnel, this man is town. You're reading way too much in and letting your paranoia get the best of you.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 3:45 pm ... if 112 is town, then Epi could still be a scum wagon.

... and he hasn't checked back into the thread since he dumped all his night stuff on us.

... and he said he wouldn't...

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 12:18 am I'm going to bed. I will not be available until evening tomorrow.

Please someone copy my stuff. Let others see it if I don't wake up.
... is this

literally

my qualifier scumgame

post giant walls, don't reply to criticism, let everyone assume no scum would ever do that much work?

the appeal to "please save my work" smells deeply of LAMIST to me

"look at all this I've done, don't let it be lost"

did I get pocketed?

@Pawn Lelouch give me a second pair of eyes here I'm having a crisis of confidence

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]
Epi knows how upset I was and I can not accept it if he was egging that on.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:25 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:34 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:31 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:28 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:26 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:05 pm

What do you mean? I'm the one who said Eva's calling out of iaafr to go vote Hyena is a bad look for iaafr. I convinced myself when I looked back over EOD during the night phase. It's was just like her giving her teammate FTF away as scum in EOD 2 In WC 1.

I thought you were saying I was too easily convinced. Maybe I misread you. Apologies if I did.
You votes just seem very whimsical this game.
Oh, I see.

But don't you also think iaafr looks bad? I don't know why a vote for him looks whimsical. I feel more sure about this vote than I've felt about any since the first day.
I don't recall you suspecting him before today.

I've suspected him since Day 2.

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:32 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:28 pm There's no way iaafr and epi are on the same team
You’re saying this based off of the interaction on day 2 I’m assuming?
And 3.
And 4.

It was really ugly. I'd like to think Epi wouldn't do that. He knew I was actually upset.
Epi wasn’t upset. You and Iaafr were upset. I don’t think you faked that. Idk if Iaafr could fake that or not. There was nothing for Epi to fake.

I know Epi better than you, and I'd be incredibly disappointed in him for doing what he did.

I feel uneasy af.

IDK it's a mixed bag, [mention]MacDougall[/mention] in terms of Epi/Eva.

But Epi/iaafr is 0%.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:52 pm @Dom why is Epi/Eva incompatible?

This is a prickly, personal attack-y road.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:44 pm Epi's ISO pretty much spews him teammates with Elephant tbh. It's damning shit.
Spoiler: show

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 12:08 am
Elephant - Elephant called my willingness to be lynched "reverse psychology." Anybody who knows me right now knows there is nothing reverse about working as much as I do. Elephant does not know me whatsoever, and I cannot judge Elephant for that. What I can do is judge Elephant for keeping his vote on me despite engaging with others. Would lynch, but not Day 1.

This is the first mention of Elephant. The "would lynch, but not day 1" is distancing 101. The commentary here is meaningless drivel designed to look like real play.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:01 pm To answer Elephant's question: "why did you really select Hyena to be your first push?"

He was there at the same time I was. And to be clear, it wasn't a push. It was my first suspicion. It is now a suspicion that lingers in the back of my mind for now.
Goes out of his way to answer Elephant's question. Epi goes into detail to explain himself for Elephant. For the rest of us it's usually just insults or dismissal lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 29, 2019 5:17 pm I have no interest in an Elephant lynch Day 1 or Day 2 (probably not Day 3 either).
Of course not.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:15 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:15 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 4:11 am
Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 9:55 pm I wonder if mafia had access to all the game threads. If that's the case, they could have seen the people here D2 having doubts about Evenstar and 112 and started pushing those two in preparation for when we all joined back up here.
Didn't you see Epignosis reading here?
I should rephrase that. One of us spotted Epignosis as viewing this thread D2. I don't remember who it was, it might have been Hyena. I don't remember what we concluded from it, but the "access" suggestion pinged this recollection.
The only time I was reading this thread after Day 1 was during Night 1. If I were reading this thread Day 2, what does that do to your opinion of me? Am I bad? Good? How does that information impact your view?
Elephant's prodding of Epi is always treated with respect and discipline, which is weird for Epi. Worth noting that Epi is a non busser type. Very much favours protecting teammates than burying them or engaging in distancing shenanigans.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 11:16 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:37 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 11:07 pm
Don't need anything in my play. The Syndicate people will tell you I'm a civilian. Get used to it hon. This is my civilian bod. It's sexy.
Who are "the syndicate people" who are still with us? Colin, Dom, Epignosis, Jack, Juliets, Long Con, Radishes, nutella, Quin, Sprityo? Anyone who knows, please confirm or correct this list!
This was tongue-in-cheek, a nod to some bizarre theory that gained currency in one of our sub-threads.

Just more distancing type shit that's null.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 1:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 9:17 am [VOTE: Elephant] aubergine

I'm with Michelle.
why though, her suspicion is largely based on things she has simply misunderstood from his posts. they have just been talking past each other and misinterpreting every point, it's the most frustrating exchange I've ever had to read. can you explain what you're seeing here because I think it's an unproductive town/town argument
I didn't even try to comprehend that mess.
Hijacking nutella's bad arguments towards Michelle's elephant sus. Empowering her bad read and defending Elephant at the same time. This is how scum defend teammates.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 2:48 pm Looking at the poll, it doesn't look like there was ever a concerted effort to save Dragomir at all. If there was one, it was that sudden surge against me, not the votes on 112. If I'm correct about Evenstar, the only two unknowns (from my perspective, obviously) are Elephant and JackofHearts2005.
By trying to discredit the notion that there was an effort to save Dragomir, Epignosis is by proxy defending Elephant (and himself).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:24 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 8:20 pm I feel like I've asked multiple people to talk to me about Elephant and I've been roundly ignored. Someone on this godforsaken dreamplane talk to me about the betrunked pachyderm.
I've put it on the backburner. Mea culpa.

I'll look into it later.
Nutella wants to talk about Elephant, Epignosis lolcats about it. Says he'll look into it later.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 09, 2019 10:00 pm Dom, nutella:

Give Evenstar another Day. Find someone else. There isn't just two mafia members. And I don't think it's her right now. Revisit Day 6 if you must.

I think Evenstar is a dumb lynch.
Jack or Elephant?
Out of the two, I'd lynch Jack.

I still have to see about Elephant though.
Chooses Jack in a Jack vs. Elephant scenario. Vomit.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:53 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 12:33 pm Elephant 4 [Long Con, iaafr, Michelle, Nutella]
JackofHearts2005 2 [Epignosis, Dom]
Long Con 2 [Macdougall, JackofHearts2005]
Nutella 2 [Lady Lambdadelta, Evenstar]
Evenstar 2 [112, Sprityo]
Epignosis 1 [Pawn Lelouch]
Hyena 1 [Master Radishes]
iaafr 1 [Quin]
Dom 1[Elephant]
Trustworthy Liberal 1 [Hyena]

3 Not Voting: Juliets, ColinisCool, Trustworthy Liberal

17 votes cast and the largest wagon is 4.

What an absolutely atrocious votal. We need to get our shit together.

(I guess it's better than "nova/jack is obvious scum, lol", but not by much.)

@Hyena
@Elephant
@Quin
@Master Radishes
@Pawn Lelouch

All of you, make your strongest case for why the person you are on right now deserves to be in contention. If you don't have a case you're willing to put time in to defend, vote someone else.

@juliets
@ColinIsCool
@Trustworthy Liberal

This may be the most important day phase in the entire game. We need your input. Put a damn vote down already.
Dom is an infolynch at this point. If he flips scum, Michelle is absolutely town, unless she refuses to commit -- and if she refuses, I need to re-evaluate her.
I have made a case on Radishes for the F3 lynch.
Lynching in my group is straight POE.
This is the worst post I've seen from Elephant.
The first thing he's actually said bad about Elephant. Very nothingburger though. And the followup renders any town peek he gains from it moot.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 2:55 pm I looked back at my notes. I don't think I can vote for Elephant today.
Herp. Derp. Die.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 12:21 pm

Thanks Drago I'll think through this while eating lunch.
So Drago, I guess where I'm left with this is I don't see any game related point in role-playing your character whether you are town, or scum, or 3P since the character doesn't tell us anything about the person's abilities or their role. JJJ suggested role-playing your character in the OP as just something fun to do.

For example, let's say 112 is role playing the character "loneliness" and she later claims she is "loneliness". What does that tell us exactly? Not her alignment, nor her abilities since there is no correlation. So it tells us nothing, the way I see it.

But no one else seems confused by this, just me, so I don't want to belabor the point. I'll think further on it as we go forward.
I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

More defending Elephant.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:49 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:48 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:43 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 3:38 pm @Everyone, Elephant wants me to screw the logic of my reads and this is a scum tactic.

let's lynch scum today, thanks for understanding
How does the post below factor into the idea that Elephant and Dragomir are teammates?

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:39 pm
Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 27, 2019 1:08 pm

I've been assuming that whatever character you have would dictate your alignment, like if your character is a good guy, they'd be town right?
Could you please roleplay your character? A paragraph should suffice.

How can you town read him for a meaningless post?
An invite to roleplay is nothing shading or distancing, I see there a normal convo I would never consider AI.
I don't agree that it's a meaningless post if you read the exchange fully. Elephant essentially shot down Dragomir's biggest angle when there would have been no reason to do so (unless you think someone would look back and give you credit for it like I'm doing, but I don't think that was Elephant's angle).
More defending Elephant.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 4:41 pm Civilians

Dom - I would wager money Dom is a civilian.

Evenstar - For reasons.

Master Radishes - As I've alluded to, the Root and I had an exchange Day 2 that helped us better understand each other, and right now I find myself largely agreeing with his positions. I like what I see, though I don't have the same confidence I do with Dom.

juliets - I was concerned that I could not put juliets in this list as effortlessly as I have been able to in the past, but I reviewed my notes and the progression toward voting for Dragomir looks natural.

Michelle - Most of what I've seen from Michelle exudes a sense of genuineness that is difficult to fake for most. I wish Michelle (as with pretty much everyone) would examine suspects within the context of Day 1, since that is the most valuable Day the civilians have in the books, but I'm viewing Michelle as a civilian for now.

iaafr - I have no prior experience with iaafr, so take this with a grain of salt. However, iaafr posts with reckless abandon. If iaafr is mafia, then he doesn't give a toss about strategy or how his interactions with his teammates look. I mentioned something to this effect in another thread, but if I were on iaafr's team, I'd be pulling my hair out and maybe saying bad words in BTSC.

nutella - Anyone from here can tell you that nutella has been a perpetual blind spot for me for years. I feel that I'm turning a corner on that front. Alternatively, nutella always seems to have my number. I think the last couple of times I've been bad, she called it early and often. Maybe that's a fluke. Maybe it's a small sample size. I know she's correct about me again here, and I don't believe she's faking that. My conclusion from my prior analysis still holds: " I saw nutella as a civilian throughout Day 1, and I don’t see anything here that changes my mind."

Elephant - I concede it's a small point in his favor, but it exists and gives me a good impression of Elephant. Perhaps I'm misreading it, but oh well. Elephant wouldn't make my top five suspects today anyway.

People I need to Sort

ColinIsCool

Hyena

JackofHearts2005

Long Con

MacDougall

Quin

TurstworthyLiberal

Mafia

112 - In looking back, I still feel Dragomir and 112 were teammates softly pushing against each other. You can read those interactions in this spoiled post.

Pawn Lelouch - Pawn has done nothing productive today. He has his vote on me and is not engaging me. I don't know why he's voting for me unless it's still because of what is perhaps the worst reasoning I have ever witnessed.

LadyLambaDelta - Day 2, all LLD did was shit on my analyses. I replied, "There is no civilian reason to discredit my effort without attempting to engage with it in some capacity. If you believe I am mafia, then you should be able to show how the content of my effort is compatible with that hypothesis rather than merely claim that the effort itself is compatible with your hypothesis."

sprityo - sprityo makes the list because a lot of what he's doing looks like busy work. I don't understand the compilations of noteworthy posts he's making- I'm not seeing any value added. Is there any analysis or commentary to go with those?
Has Elephant (AND EVENSTAR) in his civ list. VOM-fucking-IT.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 6:09 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:24 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:22 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:19 pm @Lady LambdaDelta
@juliets

What are both your opinions of Epi at this time?
Eva I think he is town. He says he doesn't have a meta but I find him more abrupt and less likely to explain why he sees things the way he does when he's scum.
He's been pretty abrupt and under-explainy IMO, and he's so catastrophically wrong about the game that I find it really hard to believe he's not scum if he's actually any good at this
Yeah okay.

Elephant wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2019 5:11 pm So, generally, your D1 reads did quite well: two of your town calls flipped town, and onyl two of your "teammate compatible" assessments (who should probably be in the "to be sorted" pile rather than scum leans?) flipped town as well.

Last mention of Elephant is a nothingburger.

I'll add that Epignosis is too good of a player for this to be anything other than his scum game.

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

This is actually pretty damning for Epi. (Gj me reading Dom town by his own merits when DL3 was basically me, Dom and the two scummiest players in the game. Dom could have 0 posted and I should townread his ass anyway. Oh well.)

Like, I’ve played scum against Epi a bunch and I’ve never really pocketed him that I remember. I mostly just undermine him cause he’s such a prickly porcupine that it’s easier to convince other players he’s wrong and unhelpful than it is to convince Epi I’m town.

So does Elephant, who I don’t remember any non meme D1 content from, and who didn’t share a thread with Epi for most of the game, who has never played with Epi before and who was getting shat on as soon as we returned to DL1 pocket Epi this badly?

Doubtful.

The problem is that Epi feels town. So does Rabbit.

So like, they should fight.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:42 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:32 pm Nothing was optimal about Eva's play, but if Radishes is that bad, why didn't she try and lynch him?
Didn’t she?

She said that "he'd be taken care of" and refused to vote for him yesterday

Bad:
iaafr
pawn
hyena

????

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:33 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:30 pm sprit, I'm cautiously moving you up in my reads.
On the topic of reads Dom may I ask who your top say 4 town are in no particular order or better yet the four people you never Lynch Today?

I don't like naming who I think are good.

sprit, I'm cautiously moving you up in my reads.

If iaafr and pawn are civs, then I think Epi is much more likely to be bad.

iaafr is bad. I've been right for days. They didn't vote on dragomir Day 1 because they were hoping a counterwagon would take it over, but didn't want to be slammed for getting on a counter wagon

I honestly would be genuinely upset with a friend if Epi is aligned with Eve.

I honestly would be genuinely upset with a friend if Epi is aligned with Eve.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:15 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:55 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:54 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:19 pmiaafr, epi?
I'm thinking about it.
Have you been stringing me along? Playing me the fool?
I can speak in my own defense later. I'm not getting lynched today.

This sounds familiar, and I don't like it.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 11, 2019 10:16 pm @juliets I have no reason to think iaafr is town. Dom's post just recently is an easy scumread.

I'm an easy scumread?

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