The Syndicate

Mister Rearranger wrote:Damn, my instincts were pretty good for once, so I was really bummed out but not surprised when I died. That was a really perfect kill for DH to make too, since I got a lynch switch right beforehand and that really could have helped down the line. At least everyone avenged my death by lynching DItB!

Well played, baddies; and wicked fun game, boo!

Linki @ FH: I pushed Epi and Aces a couple of times. Hell, I brought up Epi literally right before I died and still nobody listened, lol.

I listened.

Oh, another thing I wanted to bring up. The night that me, S~V~S, and K4J were selected to receive an extra role power boo gave us the option to have BTSC with each other. But we all had to agree. I said yes to the BTSC but either S~V~S or K4J (or both) declined. Ever since then I felt that one of them was bad, but I didn't want to bring it to the thread lest I was wrong and start an incorrect lynch hunt. But in retrospect, I realize they were both bad so even if I had mentioned it, I don't think it would have gained any traction.

This might be my most frustrating game to play as a civvie. To be right about Aces and Epi and have no other civvie ever back me up on it or really listen to what I was trying to say really sucked. But I guess it's because I was just horribly outnumbered.

And S~V~S, you really pulled the wool over my eyes! I truly thought you were a civvie which is why I chose to rezz you. Nice work!

Thanks for hosting, boo. I liked the style of this game a ton!

Good luck civvies. I hope there are more left than I think there are.

Epignosis wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.

What bothers me beyond the obvious stuff is that instead of coming up with a case for anyone at all, you bring up Sorsha and Eloh (and me). You don't say anything about any of us beyond how two are being quiet and one is "on your radar."

And you vote for Aces for surviving a lynch that (presumably) a bad team made possible? Hell, I've survived two Night kills myself!

Yes, but there are civvie reasons to survive a night kill. There are no civvie ways to survive a lynch. That's the difference.

Then just vote me. If you are so certain you are right. Clearly your opinion hasn't been changed one iota by anything I've posted in defense of myself.

I'm sorry that I can't convince you that you're wrong. I don't know what else to say.

Turnip Head wrote:FH, I think for me it comes down to how you left the thread on the day you were being lynched. Then you only returned later, once you had survived. It's like you did not want to be around in the interim, in the moments before you were supposed to be lynched. Because you knew that you would not die, and I don't think you wanted to fake your indignity at being lynched, only to then turn around and have to fake being surprised as well when you survived. I think you knew you would survive the lynch that day. I can't prove it, but in my gut I feel it.

Furthermore, if you were a civvie, and you saw that you miraculously survived, I think you would have run off immediately to see how that would be possible, and you would have very quickly realized you were being framed. But if I recall correctly, you barely addressed your survival until I prodded you for your thoughts. I don't think a civvie would have approached it in the way that you did.

That's why I think you're the sassy black woman, and that's why I'm voting for you.

I was really upset that day. So much so that I posted about my frustrations in off-topic green in this thread and even sent an apology to boo for lashing out in the thread. I left the thread because I was worried if I stayed I'd say something nasty that I'd immediately regret. And when I saw I didn't get lynched I got even angrier because I just wanted it to be over.

I took 24 hours off from playing mafia (all 3 of my games) to cool off and come back with a clear head.

I can't change how your gut feels. I trust my gut all the time. But sometimes my gut is just plain wrong. And yours is here now.

I hope you're not mafia. But my hat goes off to you if you are.

Also, you keep focusing on the idea that only doin' it in the butt could have caused the lynch to go the way it did. I clearly outlined that the taint could also have caused me to not get lynched. If you're gonna focus so hard on the idea that I was saved, at least be equal opportunity about it.

I am voting Aces.

And please, any civvies that are actually left, do me a favor and start discussing who else is bad. I'm not. And we've only lynched two this entire game (maybe 3 dead if we go with the assumption llama was balls deep). There are 8 mafia roles so I can't possibly be the only mafia left (oh wait, I'm not! I'm a civvie!).

kneel4justice wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:You call it saving, I call it framing. I am not the sassy black woman, I am a civvie. But clearly no amount of me trying to prove that this game matters. And why are you completely ignoring my helping to get DH lynched yesterday? I didn't jump on the DH bandwagon, I was like the first or second to vote for him (I can't remember if K4J's vote was there before mine or not).

I am curious as to how Aces survived the lynch. Because the only way to survive a lynch in the roles is by being a baddie (unless you're TH and have a magical way of doing it that I still haven't figured out).

Are you saying that the reason you were not lynched, was because people were framing you? Because if so, that makes no sense to me. Why would someone "frame" you by saving you from being lynched? Isn't the goal of framing someone to get them lynched? And isn't the idea of stopping someone from being lynched, saving them? But it sounds to me like you're saying the opposite. I don't get that at all?

Well, if Aces had been lynched and flipped civvie, wouldn't you still be talking about me and saying, "FH is SOOOO bad!" Yeah, it's the perfect frame--and hey, he may not have flipped civvie because he didn't die at all, but guess what, you're still talking about me. I'm being talked about at the distraction to everything else today. And when you guys continue to ignore the points I've tried to make and vote to lynch me again, my guess is third time will be a charm and you'll finally see I've been telling the truth this entire game.

I don't think whoever caused Aces to be up for the lynch instead of me thought he'd survive.

And let me try to make this point again. For me to have lived on Day 8, either doin' it in the butt or the taint and some combination of midgets/smegma/other had to happen for me to not be up for that lynch. If it was doin' it in the butt (DH) who "saved" me, then I immediately turned around and voted to lynch him the following day. What a way to say thanks to someone! If it was the taint I'd make the same argument except that I went hard after that team and narrowed down the potential PB candidates to 3 people which helped lead to rey's lynch days ago.

I am not bad. I am baddie hunting. And because I've been so vocal this game, I have made myself an easy target for baddie manipulation.

I really want the civvies to pull out a win on this game and have been very happy that the night kills keep failing because I know it's gotta be driving the mafia crazy.

But as I was feeling and expressed a couple of days ago, it is exhausting to defend myself for days on end. I am a civvie and I've been trying hard. But I also see why I appear bad. I can't deny that a very simple explanation for me surviving the Day 8 lynch is that I am the sassy black woman and DH used his power to save me. It makes sense. But it's just not true.

Another point I'll try to make again, Epi has been on my radar for days. Why would I want to kill my number one lynch suspect at night like Sassy tried to do last night?

Kneel4Justice and TH: Can you take off the blinders you have on me for one moment and consider other things I've said? What do you think about Aces surviving that lynch? He had suspicion on him earlier (not just from me), but that seems to have vanished--why?

Do you think Epi is misguided civvie or clever mafia? (See any of the posts I've previously made on him if you need a refresher)

What do you think about Sorsha? Or Elohcin? Two players that keep showing up to vote at the end of lynches but have barely contributed to any discussion whatsoever.

You call it saving, I call it framing. I am not the sassy black woman, I am a civvie. But clearly no amount of me trying to prove that this game matters. And why are you completely ignoring my helping to get DH lynched yesterday? I didn't jump on the DH bandwagon, I was like the first or second to vote for him (I can't remember if K4J's vote was there before mine or not).

I am curious as to how Aces survived the lynch. Because the only way to survive a lynch in the roles is by being a baddie (unless you're TH and have a magical way of doing it that I still haven't figured out).

I think it could be done, but it certainly isn't the truth. Not to mention I helped get DH lynched yesterday. That'd make me a truly crappy teammate.

Not to mention, and yes, I know the inherent WIFOM of the statement I'm about to make, but why would I kill Epi at night? He has been my top suspect for days and night-killing my top suspect...not something I would do if I were bad.

Yay for no kills again (unless Epi really is bad then boo).

This is the second time the Trump Cards have tried to kill Epi and the second time he's survived. He must have a guardian angel or be one lucky son of a gun. And he's the card czar today so he's off the table.

I have a few ideas for remaining baddies--gonna do some reading back (probably not tonight as it's late) then post my thoughts.

I guess I don't fully understand what you see as me continuing to state I have no idea what happened.

I posted an initial surprise when I saw the (non-)lynch result.

Then I didn't post for over 24 hours.

Then TH asked me:

Turnip Head wrote:Okay, so the lynch couldn't have been switched by the Switcher because Ace had no votes yesterday.

It doesn't seem like doin' it in the butt is to blame, because I haven't seen the curse pop up in a few days, so I assumed doin' it in the butt was dead. But I guess that's exactly what doin' it in the butt would want us to assume if he stopped using his cursing power. And if doin' it in the butt combined his onetime buttsore ability with two midgets shitting into a bucket's nightly dumping power, then, well... let's just say I'm not ruling anything out.

Ace, do you know why the lynch was switched to you, or why you survived?

FH, have you anything to say on the matter? What do you think of Ace being written into the lynch post instead of you? You had 5 public votes, no one else even had 2, and Ace had 0.

Also FH, if you don't mind me asking, who did you vote for to be rezzed?

I responded

Then he followed up by asking me:

Turnip Head wrote:Interesting. So you are the one who broke the tie. And I remember, when I was reading through the early part of the game, seeing the hint you dropped about rezzing BWT, so I was wondering if you would reference that.

Assuming the Switcher couldn't have been responsible, and that surviving had nothing to do with your role, what do you think happened yesterday?

And I responded

I just don't see how three times, two of which were in direct response to being asked a question, is me repeatedly stating surprise.

But maybe it's a tone thing?

Anyway, I am going to vote DH. I do feel that he has been doing some pot stirring, but conveniently staying out of most of the discussions.

kneel4justice wrote:My vote is going to DH for now, he's been under the radar for the entire game and unlike stepping his game up like I feel others have been doing such as Epi, he comes across even more scummy by choosing to vote Sorsha. I have to read FH's post later about possible options for how she survived. What does bother me is her consistent insistence that she did not know she was going to survive as if she's trying to say she doesn't have the ability to survive a lynch, when clearly it appear it's not her who was even lynched, it was Ace instead. But I need to read more thoroughly when I get a chance to make sure I have things understood correctly. I would like to know what people think of DH.

I know it's not me that was up for the lynch. I haven't denied that. Hence my giant post about possible ways the lynch could have gone down that would have led to Aces name being their instead of me. And when I have I acted like I don't have the ability to survive a lynch? I don't, but that's beside the point. I haven't acted that way--I've acted surprised that the lynch happened the way it did--just like I was surprised the first time I survived a lynch I didn't expect to survive (the one where I ended up tied, then not tied with INH).

If you had received the majority votes in a lynch and you came back to the thread to see you were still alive are you telling me you wouldn't be wondering what the heck happened?

DH is on my radar as well. I feel like he's among the players who has been taking a backseat and letting me talk myself into a grave.

I'm still totally suspicious of Epignosis, but considering how far I got the last couple of times I've brought his name up, I'm not sure I feel up to voting him again.

Since it couldn't have been the Switcher (Aces had no public votes) then these are the only possibilities I see in the roles:
1. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. I am the sassy black woman so I started at -2 votes meaning my votal total was 3.
However: I am a civvie and not the sassy black woman.

2. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. And at some point prior to Day 8 Aces was targeted by the midgets. This would put him at 6 votes while I was at 5.

3. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. And at some point prior to Day 8 Aces was targeted by the Smegma. This would put him at 6 votes while I was at 5.

2+3. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. And at some point prior to Day 8 Aces was targeted by the midgets and the Smegma. This would put him at 7 votes while I was at 5.

4. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. And a civvie with the drive-byer role placed a secret vote on Aces. This makes less sense because I don't see a civvie placing a secret vote on someone who had no votes.

5. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. And the Stacked Deck role was in play Night 7 the person happened to pick at least one card that Aces had so he started the lynch with at least +1 votes against him.

6. Doin' it in the butt made Aces buttsore giving him 5 votes. The Thief tried to steal an Awesome Point from Aces Night 7 and he had none so he started Day 8 with +2 votes.

7. The taint targeted the 5 people who voted for me making their votes worth 0 and the smegma (and/or midgets) had already targeted Aces at some point in the game putting him at +1 votes which meant he had more votes than me.

8. Someone(s) spent Awesome Points to secretly put votes on Aces plus any combination of the above.

There may be other combinations I missed but as you can see, at minimum I think Aces had to have been made buttsore for him to have been up for the lynch instead of me. There are some possibilities for him to have more votes than me that don't involve being made buttsore, but I think that's the simplest explanation.

All I can say and hope you trust me is that I had absolutely nothing to do with it and honestly thought I'd be getting lynched.

Since there is so much baddie vote manipulation I think I am being used as a convenient scapegoat. Keep the suspicion on me then manipulate the votes so that another person (civvie in INH's case, unsure re: Aces) is lynched. Then the following day suspicion remains on me and the process can be repeated.

I had thought that perhaps doin' it in the butt was dead since we haven't seen someone with the "that's what she said" curse in a few days, but Night 7 says doin' it in the butt tried to kill Elohcin. Maybe that was just for storytelling purposes. I'm not sure.

To answer your first question I was 100% expecting to be lynched and honestly was flummoxed to see I survived. I thought the switcher had saved me, but I didn't take a closer look at the role to see if that was even possible because I was feeling frustrated that day. And as to why it was Aces instead of me, if the mafia were involved in keeping me alive, I'd say it's because they want Aces dead more or they are enjoying keeping me around to make me look bad.

As for who I chose to rezz, I voted for S~V~S, johns2jj, and MR. Then when I was told to break the tie I chose S~V~S since she was my first choice to come back. I feel pretty good that she was a civvie before she died and I really hope she came back a civvie. I took a gamble since I'm not sure who voted for who, but the tie choices were interesting.

I'll ask boo if I can reveal more information about the tie I broke.

I also want to address the so-called slip-up that led people to voting me Day 8. That wasn't a slip-up. I made a mistake. I can see why it looks like a slip-up but all I can say in response is that it wasn't and please don't use that one thing to condemn me. I have been asking people to go back and read all of my posts because I've tried to make it clear I'm a civvie both through baddie hunting and what I've said in my posts. But I don't think anyone has seen what I was trying to say. I was voted along with S~V~S and kneel4justice to win an extra role power earlier in the game (remember that night poll?). The extra civvie role power I received was the resser. I used it to rezz BWT.

Anyway, I need to finish getting ready for work and drink my coffee. Then I'll be back to address anything else people have asked me or said to me.

Thank you to whoever saved me.

But I feel like this right now

I really hope the energy in this thread changes soon because being made to feel like an asshole and idiot for trying to play a game is really not fun. And this is the first time in ages I've been made to feel really bad playing a game.

Whatever, Epi. Please just lynch me. I'm sick of arguing with you. I made a mistake.

And Aces, as for the card czar thing, I had literally not given that any thought the entire game having not been the card czar yet. I am a tired civvie. It's exhausting to feel like I'm either talking to myself or being berated for trying.

Maybe I'm being butthurt. Gonna walk away for a bit.

Or I made an honest mistake--I think I was counting llama in my mind because I'm convinced he was bad, but we didn't even lynch him so meh.

Frankly, this game is over for civvies. I don't know why I'm even bothering to try anymore.

Before everyone jumps on me for making a mistake, please take the time to read through all of my posts not just Epi's responses to my posts which are antagonistic at best.

Epignosis wrote:I don't like that you're leaving out a lot of goodies and context, FH.

I voted for INH on Day 5 over quiet rey. Quiet rey meant nothing to me (I had just hosted him in Shawshank and the guy had 13 posts before I got Sorsha to replace him on Day 5). I voted for you Day 6 because you kept harping on this Aces/INH thing, which INH demonstrated to be manufactured. And I think by bringing me up, you're trying to make people forget about that. I haven't.

Furthermore, the tone of these two posts followed by the tone of this post?

It screams defeated and desperate nastiness.

"Nastiness," referring to the evil cards, which are nasty.

Why couldn't you have just responded to me on that when I asked yesterday instead of taunting me further? Almost every time you have responded to me it's been to taunt me or tease me in some way. I don't think a civvie would do that. And I have been working my butt off this game to find baddies. My case against Aces/INH wasn't fabricated (as in fake?). I honestly thought something was up with them--especially with the contradictions I saw in Aces reasons for "trusting" INH. I don't want to go into that again because I was wrong about INH and realize that means I may have been wrong about Aces. But I maintain that something was off with Aces explanation and if he hadn't been the card czar I would have voted him instead of INH because the contradictions were in his post--I was wrong. Happens to civvies all the time.

Yeah, I felt defeated at that moment in time because I had just been mega-bandwagoned out of nowhere simply for trying to discuss a theory. I was shocked to return to the thread later and see that the vote was tied.

Epi, you have the worst track record with reading me. You accuse me of being bad all the time when I'm civvie. Listen to the people in this game who've been playing with me for a long, long time and say this is my civvie game. Also, just read all of my posts--I have made it clear I'm a civvie through certain actions that are open for all the thread to see.

kneel4justice wrote:My internet is down the moment I have time for posting, go figure. I need a new computer, it's just mine that has these issues. Anyways I am surprised to say what TH is saying is actually coming across genuine and possible to me and I am wondering if some how I was wrong in suspecting him. So now I am wondering who to look towards and DH is someone I think has been flying under the radar. Also FH I did reply to your suspicion on Epi which I guess you didn't see.

I don't see where you responded to my big post that I made on Epignosis yesterday. I read back through your posts and only saw a brief response to an earlier comment I made on wanting to take a closer look at Epignosis, but I made a pretty big post on Epi that no one responded to (well now TH has) and I was hoping to hear other people's opinions on it.

I am voting for Epignosis because I honestly feel he's bad. And I think he has teammates that are purposefully ignoring my attempts to start a discussion because today is not the first time I've broached this subject.

None that I can see, Sorsha. And even with what TH said ("surviving the lynch was a byproduct of how I've used my role. Just because you don't see it on the front page doesn't mean it doesn't exist") I am skeptical to believe him.

I've had a fair number of different civvie roles by now and can think of no scenario with the roles I've had (or any others on the civvie role list) that would have helped me survive a lynch.

Glad you survived if you're good, Elohcin. To be honest, I forgot you were playing.

No one has commented on my suspicions of Epignosis. I'm curious what others think of him. Instead of addressing any of my concerns with his posts, he cut out almost my entire post and simply responded with this:

Epignosis wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:But I definitely have an on Epi.

I'm pretty.

It's because I'm pretty, right?

What concerns me is that there are only 9 of us left. And we've only successfully lynched 2 mafia (and hopefully llama was mafia too, which it sure seems like he was). At most there are likely 5 mafia alive, and another if SVS came back as a solo mafia (but I really hope and feel she came back civvie). I'm hoping at least one or more night kills were against mafia (any of Bass, FZ, Hedge, MetalMarsh, or MR). I think we're getting down the wire with the apparent control the mafia has had over this game so the civvies really need to come to play today.

I thought the contest gave him Awesome Points which doesn't have anything directly to do with him being a civvie or mafia. And I went back and looked, the first player to get 3 Awesome Points cannot be lynched, but they also aren't on the poll. So I don't think that's what happened with TH since we were able to vote for him.

I just don't see a civvie explanation for his survival.

Actually, this was the civvie role I was thinking of, and I was thinking it was a stop.

boo wrote:6. Switcher (Passive): One lynch switch. You do not get other powers until this has been used. You may not opt out of having this power. The player you switch the lynch to must have at least 1 public vote.

Maybe I am just blind, but I actually don't see a civvie way for TH to have survived.

However, there is the taint which which survives one attempt on their life. That has him being on the same team as the PB and I know a lot of us were thinking TH is a Trump which is contradictory, but perhaps still possible.

Anyway, if I'm being blind, please point out the civvie power that could have protected TH from being lynched.

Welcome back S~V~S!

Off the top of my head I can think of a civvie reason and a baddie reason for TH's survival. I'm going to look at the roles again to see all the scenarios that exist.

Also, I said I would read back on Epi and highlight why I think he's not on the side of the civvies this game.

First, as I said his posts in the last day phase were mostly just snarky and he didn't attempt to join in on the discussion at all (well, up until when he suddenly pulled a 180 and voted me).
Day 5:

Epignosis wrote:This lynch makes me nervous.

Epignosis wrote:

S~V~S wrote:Oh, me too. I feel there is some engineering going on, just as there was in BWTs lynch.

That Aces and INH were eager to jump on reywaS when they themselves were mentioned in FH's analysis is what's doing it for me.

Epignosis wrote:I'm going to follow suit. INH it is for me.

Contrast with Day 6:

Epignosis wrote:

Turnip Head wrote:What do you think Epi? Ace or INH as a Bukkake buddy, are you buying it? I can see it, but I'm not sure I'm convinced.

No, I'm not. I didn't grab the damn poll again, but looking back at the relevant posts, both INH and Aces voted rey. There were other candidates with votes at the time and Mr. Nasty could have been saved.

However, my understanding is that FH was (after the lynch) suggesting that Aces and INH were on the other team, not the one with rey.

But that's really weird to me. She votes INH while Aces and INH vote rey, and out of the gate she talks about them being behind-the-scenes bosom buddies? Smell raunchy to me.

I think she's on the other team. I have voted accordingly. So it goes.

Turnip Head wrote:Also Epi, what's your opinion of Elo so far this game? I don't think she's posted since I joined, I'll have to go back to her earlier posts and see if I can get a read on her.

She's good.

I initially brought up my INH and Aces as teammates theory Day 5 which led to me voting for INH Day 5. Epi followed suit. I maintained my suspicion into Day 6 and voted accordingly, yet suddenly my case smells raunchy to Epi and he votes for me.

Anyway, I could pull a bunch of quotes of Epi posting snarky responses to people while not joining the discussion but that would be a fair number of quotes--you can read back through is posts to decide for yourself.

Do people buy TH's claim that he can't be lynched today? I am hoping he's bluffing so I am going to place my vote on him because I agree that he's fishy.

But I definitely have an on Epi.

Turnip Head wrote:In FH's vote count manipulation analysis, in this post that inevitably led to the Rey lynch, is there a reason the Trump Cards weren't mentioned as a possible factor? Couldn't they have just as easily caused the non-tie between Sorsha and JJ as the PB? FH only focused on the Bukkake team as the ones to blame. While FH was right, it's weird that the Trump Card roles were omitted from the discussion. Unless I missed something that explains why. They have vote manipulation abilities too that could have affected the outcome of that lynch.

I didn't ignore the trump cards in my original analysis which the post you linked is a derivative of. I specifically mentioned the two midgets role and ruled out why it was highly unlikely to be involved. You're right that I didn't specifically mention the sassy black woman as a possibility. I should have but didn't because the Day 1 lynch was a tie which means llama couldn't have been that role (if he was the sassy black woman he'd have started with -2 votes which wouldn't have resulted in a tie). I did miss one possibility--doin' it in the butt might have made johns2jj buttsore which would have given him 5 extra votes and put him ahead of llama Day 2. I missed that specific power in my analysis of the Day 2 lynch.

But considering llama appears to have been on the Trump Cards team, I'd hope my efforts to prove his baddieness gives me some credit.

I feel I've proven my civvieness in other ways as well which a read back through my posts should make clear.

Regardless, I wonder why you only highlighted my second big analysis post and ignored my first, much more thorough (and reason for determining the PB was involved) original analysis.

reywaS wrote:Doelynn may be a bitch, but she had my back, Rakarg! SURRENDER!!!

Such good times and the ultimate cliffhanger--can't wait for next week!

Another possible rezz candidate is johns2jj who was lynched and flipped civvie.

I need to go back and try to understand the stuff against TH. I'll admit I was focused on my own suspicions and kind of gave it second fiddle these past couple of days.

I also want to take a closer look at Epi. Partially because of what MR said right before he got NKed and partially because of his posts on Day 6. At the time I felt he was doing nothing to introduce his own theories/ideas to the thread and was just fanning the flames of what was an intense back and forth between me and INH/Aces.

I am honestly shocked at how the votes came in this lynch and that I survived because Aces decided to switch his vote. Even moreso since if he had left the vote on me, I would have been lynched since card czar's vote is worth 2 (actually, scratch that--who knows, there is so much vote manipulation in this game it's hard to say).

Obviously I was wrong about the whole INH and Aces are teammates thing, but something still feels very off about Aces. However, I am willing to take a step back because it bothered me that other than the two people I was accusing, no one joined in on the discussion and no other names (other than my own as a reactionary thing) were brought up for discussion yesterday.

Makes me think the mafia are sitting back and letting the civvies duke it out in the thread.

For what it's worth, MR said he'd be voting Epignosis if he survived the night so in addition to Aces and INH, Epig might be a good place to look to. Especially considering he has been snarky and done more taunting/teasing than actual baddie hunting this game.

Okay, I'm really leaving this time.

Welp, the baddies have done an excellent job of manipulating.

The fact that not one person sees that Aces claimed something that simply isn't true boggles my mind. Whatever, I'm sick so one less game to play is fine with me.

Good luck to my fellow civvies.

Asking a question and theorizing as to why two people are behaving a certain way is not the same as insisting. Regardless, neither one of you are saying anything to change my mind. You're just arguging semantics with me which isn't changing my opinion at all.

And of course, Aces as the card czar makes sense. I wasn't thinking about that.

Epignosis, would you care to join the discussion rather than continue to make snarky, non-helpful remarks?

Anyway, I've voted, I'm sick. Be back later.

You may have been hinting, a lot of people were, but the fact remains rey also voted BWT so wasn't cleared from being forced. And Aces clearly stated in his response to me that it was you stating you were forced and posting boo's PM that made him trust you over rey, which clearly isn't true since that happened after he voted for rey.

I was trying to figure out what you were talking about, but then I looked at the poll and saw that it's been "tampered" with.

@Aces: Arguing that INH's vote was forced to vote BWT didn't clear him at all. Rey voted BWT was well. And you mention INH quoting boo's PM as evidence for why you didn't suspect INH, except that happened after you voted for rey saying he was the only player who could be the PB. INH didn't make it 100% clear he was forced until a whole day phase after the BWT lynch (and after you voted rey).

Since quotes don't have timestamps or link back to the original post, I'll put times and links here.
Ace's post and vote for rey (Wed Jan 22, 2014 10:54 am)

AceofSpaces wrote:POwer keeps going out in my house. So I'm voting now for rey. He is the last person the butt could be from FH's list, and when confronted with a direct suspcion he deflected with a joke instead of adressing it. I think he used his powers up because he saw his name being thrown around and thought he didn't have much time left.

Again, this post implies he knew INH wasn't PB with certainty.

INH's post and vote for rey (Wed Jan 22, 2014 5:20 pm)

insertnamehere wrote:I'm not sure what's going on with SVS vs. Dom, but I find Rey more suspicious then both of them, especially since he's on FH's list. I trust FH and Aces much more then I trust him.

Again, why specifically were/are you so trustful of Aces, INH?

I called them out as being suspicious here (Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:43 pm) [not quoting it because it's essentially what I am saying in this post, but you can check the link]

INH didn't spill the beans about being forced until this post (Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:03 pm)

insertnamehere wrote:I for one, got a PM telling me I had to vote BWT in the lynch. Other people were also acting odd about the lynch, which made me think that PB used his power. I was stating that in a humorous "pun" or joke.

Really, I already have 3 votes because I made a joke? This is Cards Against Humanity mafia, lighten up.

Then INH decided to actually quote boo's PM after S~V~S questioned him on admitting to being forced, here (Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:26 pm).

AceofSpaces wrote:If you want an exact reason for why I thought it was rey over INH, I'm pretty sure you can just read back to my post leading up to rey's lynch. I found rey to be deflecting direct suspicion with quick jokes. I also noticed that the buttake had used all his powers up, after rey's name had been brought up. Which lead me to believe rey knew his time was short, and wanted to use his powers while he still could.

I didn't think INH was the Buttake, because he brought up having his vote forced for BWT. He also quoted, somewhat unethically, boo's pm. That, and I just had a much stronger feeling towards rey.

I don't know what INH's role is, I am not on a baddie team with him. I never backed him up *at all* and your insistence that I did is kind of suspicious itself.

In addition to the inconsistencies with your story that I just pointed out, I also have not insisted that you and INH were backing each other up. I asked a question and wondered why you were both so sure/trusting of the other.

I think Aces slipped up. The reasons he has given for ruling out INH as the PB happened after he and INH both voted rey yesterday meaning he cleared INH before INH told the thread his vote was forced. I think they are teammates.

And I will plan to vote one of them today.

insertnamehere wrote:

S~V~S wrote:FHs analysis was sound.

No it wasn't. She thought that because I made a sexual innuendo about PB, that means that I was PB. That's horrible analysis. Then I get two more votes for me immediately after, not adding any more reasons against me, just stating that they were trusting FH. This is insanely suspicious to me.

I don't think S~V~S is talking about my rationale for voting you but my analysis of which players could possibly be the PB which had rey on a short list.

And neither you or Aces have addressed my question about why the two of you were so sure the other wasn't the PB. Teammates backing each other up, perhaps?

I missed this last night but goodbye Dom and welcome Turnip Head!

Well I'm pleasantly surprised!

I am still curious about INH and Aces backing each other up, but at least we know neither is the PB now.

S~V~S, read Pixelated Bukkake's role again. That will help.

Mister Rearranger wrote:I considered INH early in the game, but his.recent posts have a better feeling for me.

Given the time he posted in relation to BWT's lynch, I don't see him being Pixie-Bukkake, unless he went for a really bals-out gambit there.

The way I see it, everyone on the shortlist of possible PBers also voted for BWT so I don't think voting for BWT clears anyone of being that role.

I am going to vote INH. I know my vote won't matter today since rey has so many already, but I think there is something off and in reading back through his posts, these stood out to me.

insertnamehere wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Mister Rearranger wrote:

kneel4justice wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:Why are you suspicious of BWT? I have him in the back of my mind as being suspicious, but need to read back to remember why. He's on my list of people to reread.

I suspected him because of his Day 1 contradicting behavior as far as votes go.
He randomized after saying we had plenty of time to make a decision (when this is a speed game, at that).
I see I was wrong now, though.

MR what are you talking about?

Are you framing someone or are you the one being framed?

Neither as far as I know.

I can see Pixellated Bukakke all over her. And on me, as a matter of fact.

insertnamehere wrote:We all really need to clean this Pixellated Bukkake off of us.

These make me wonder if he's actually taunting us and is, indeed, the PB.

I am considering a vote for rey but am wondering why Aces and INH are getting passes as they are also on my list. And I've noticed today they are backing each other up.

This post in particular stood out to me:

AceofSpaces wrote:POwer keeps going out in my house. So I'm voting now for rey. He is the last person the butt could be from FH's list, and when confronted with a direct suspcion he deflected with a joke instead of adressing it. I think he used his powers up because he saw his name being thrown around and thought he didn't have much time left.

Why is rey the last person on the list who could be PB? Did something happen to clear INH that I missed or forgot about?

And same question to INH

insertnamehere wrote:I'm not sure what's going on with SVS vs. Dom, but I find Rey more suspicious then both of them, especially since he's on FH's list. I trust FH and Aces much more then I trust him.

Why do you trust Aces over rey?

I agree that rey is playing a more quiet game and I feel like when he's a civvie he's more talkative, but the stuff between Aces and INH is making me a little nervous.

Welcome back, BWT!

I am hoping to be able to make it up to BWT and thumb my nose at Pixelated Bukkake at the same time.

Thanks again to everyone who voted for me in the night poll!

RIP BWT.

I think the mafia is having a good laugh over this lynch.

Hedgeowl wrote:Ok, that was a shorter catch-up than I thought. Thanks for the analysis FH! Based on the assumptions we have to work with I can't see any other options. A lot of us missed the Day 1 vote which may make this harder. Dom was on my radar for his potential votes protecting Llama and still is after your analysis.

PB would have to be very careful how they voted since we could easily track them down if it was too close or a tie after a few votes. Since they were probably not voting for Llama or Sorsha it's a safer bet that they voted someone unlikely to get many votes or didnt vote at all. What gets me is why would PB vote JJ if llama were a big suspect? Since its likely they weren't on the same baddie team it would make the most sense to vote for llama and get "civv credit" for lynching a baddie. Granted at the time I didn't see the case on JJ and hadn't played with him before, where others really seemed to see something.

It would also really work in the favor of PBs team if someone like FH (potential PB) made an excellent analysis for a potential baddie on the other team, which everyone found really helpful especially once llama was lynched. Then got out in front of the PB analysis and threw out names like Rey, inh, and ace. You have been sooo helpful which I greatly appreciate, but I am trying to remain skeptical as well.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:Interesting post, FH. I need to read through all those people later, but based on how I feel right now, I would lean towards rey. His quietness is starting to concern me. And I never like "quiet rey" as it is.

BWT was brought up by k4j just before FHs post, but rather than addressing any suspicions against him he jumps at the possibility that rey is bad. Doesn't help his case here at all frankly. Maybe I am wrong since I haven't played with rey as much as others, but I tend to think of quiet rey as civ rey. I would love to hear BwT address some suspicions brought against him. It would clearly be in his best interest as well. I won't be here around the vote, so can't wait long either.

Honestly reading through today my list has changed a bit:
BWT
Dom
FH
Rey

I totally understand you keeping me on the list for potential PBers. Hopefully I can prove in time that I am a civvie.

Reading back through BWT's post, these two coupled together stood out to me. In the first one he says that john's self-vote stuck out, but then chooses to randomize. And even says it's something he normally hates doing.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:I have to leave for work soon, and won't have time to check in before the deadline. I'm not very sure about anyone quite yet, and the only thing that's stuck out is John's self-vote. Instead, I'm going to try something I normally hate people doing because I feel like it: randomizing!

I did a 1-18 generator (in order of everyone's name in the lynch poll), and got #5, so Bass. Sorry man!

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

johns2jj wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

johns2jj wrote:

Flyin' High wrote:John, why did you decide to switch your vote to Aces, specifically?

I sort of feel like john showing back up in the thread after voting himself and receiving a second vote is indicative of being told in BTSC to come back to the thread...but his self-vote post uses the phrasing "don't know who to vote for yet", so I'm unsure.

It is night here and I was relaxing watching a movie so I decided to come back to the thread and check on it. I chose aces because I don't think anyone else will vote him and I won't be partially responsible for a civ death.

Intentionally voting for someone you don't think is bad because you know they won't get lynched is not my idea of helpful civ behavior. It's a way of avoiding accountability.

Avoiding accountability was more or less exactly what I stated. I did not want to be partially responsible for a civ 's death. I am starting to get some minor pings on a few people and if they form into something more concrete I will share them I just don't want to point fingers yet.

The bolded part in particular really set alarm bells off in my head. But at the same time, I can't see John being THAT obvious about it if he was bad. Or would he pull a WIFOM?...

He says that john stating he was avoiding acountability with his Day 1 vote set alarm bells off in his head. But isn't randomizing on Day 1 another form of avoiding accountability?

He missed the Day 2 vote so not much to glean there. And Day 3 we all voted llama so...

Anyway, since I am unsure which of the 3 (INH, Aces, or rey is the PB) I am going to vote BWT because I don't feel like he's playing his civ game.

(Woah, what's with all of the BWT votes? Gonna stick with my suspicion, but I feel a bit wary since I'm apparently the 6th person to vote him today...)

kneel4justice wrote:Really? I would appreciate some reasoning because I myself suspect BWT and would like to know why others do.

Why are you suspicious of BWT? I have him in the back of my mind as being suspicious, but need to read back to remember why. He's on my list of people to reread.

I read back through INH, Aces, and rey.

INH's posts are mostly joke-sy in nature.

Aces missed the first day of the game. He was fairly suspicious of john (as was I so I can't fault him for that alone).

Rey defended llama early on, voted john Day 2, then after I posted my analysis he changed his tune on llama. However, if rey was defending llama because they are teammates, that means he isn't the PB.

Anyway, I still have some reading back to do since none of the 3 stood out as definitely bad and I don't want to randomly guess here.

Thanks for the votes in the night poll!

RIP in pieces you silly llama.

So, since llama survived 2 lynches I think it's safe to assume he wasn't the Taint, but was Balls Deep. If that's the case, then I don't think the Pixelated Bukkakae role could have voted for Sorsha Day 1.

Things we know or can logically deduce:
We know Day 1 resulted in a tie.
llama was part of Mafia Team 1 (not the team with the Pixelated Bukkake)
Pixelated Bukkake's vote is worth 2 and any player who votes the same as PB but isn't a teammate has a vote worth 1.5

Scenario 1 among the votes for Sorsha:
Player 1 is Pixelated Bukkake, vote = 2
Player 2 is Teammate of PB, vote = 1
Player 3 is llama, not a teammate of PB, vote = 1.5
Vote total = 4.5
Result = NOT A TIE

Scenario 2 among the votes for Sorsha:
Player 1 is Pixelated Bukkake, vote = 2
Player 2 is not a teammate of PB, vote = 1.5
Player 3 is llama, not a teammate of PB, vote = 1.5
Vote total = 5
Result = NOT A TIE

Scenario 3 among the votes for Sorsha:
Player 1 is not Pixelated Bukkake, vote = 1
Player 2 is not Pixelated Bukkake, vote = 1
Player 3 is not Pixelated Bukkake, vote = 1
Penis envy prize winner used extra vote on Sorsha
Vote total = 4
Result = TIE

If someone sees another scenario that can result in a Day 1 tie that I missed, please post it.

Flyin' High wrote:The breakdown of votes against would look like this:
Player 1 (Pixelated Bukkake) vote worth 2
Player 2 (llamataint) vote worth 1
Player 3 (not a teammate) vote worth 1.5
Player 4 (not a teammate) vote worth 1.5
Player 5 (not a teammate) vote worth 1.5
Player 6 (not a teammate) vote worth 1.5
Total = 9 votes
That would have caused john to be lynched over llama Day 2.

Based on the likely breakdown of votes against john Day 2 the most likely and plausible scenario for john to be lynched over llama Day 2 is if the Pixelated Bukkake was among his voters. And I think we can rule out any of the Day 1 Sorsha voters as being the Pixelated Bukkake since those scenarios don't result in a tie.

Players who voted for Sorsha Day 1: Dom, Mister Rearranger, llama

Players who voted for johnjjs Day 2: Dom, insertnamehere, Flyin' High, llama, AceofSpaces, reywaS

Based on this, neither Dom nor llama are the Pixelated Bukkake. Which leaves INH, me, Aces, and reywaS as possible candidates for that role. I am not that role.

I plan to read back through the posts of INH, Aces, and rey to see if anything stands out.

I've voted S~V~S, kneel4justice, and myself and 1, 2, and 4.

So I guess he's not the taint then? Does this mean he's balls deep?