The Syndicate

Russti, Epi posted his new win conditions in BTSC. I gotta admit I didn't personally scrutinize them or realise the implications. Epic fail. Epi seemed so upset about this but he said the conditions only apply until Jack reaches a certain zone. Now we should have questioned that more but it seemed like WE had a double agent so I think we just went along with it. It was only before the night of the long knives if you remember that I started hypothesising about Epi betraying us.(Or was it just after, not sure now). Point is no one seemed to really belive it even then till Rob came back and admitted it.

Dom wrote:I'm just gonna excuse myself then.

The truth is we'll never know I guess.

Dom wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dom wrote:Thanks MP! As, you know, I was starting to get on track in finding Ryan when Night 7 happened. DH was my next guess. Being a civvie in this game was really challenging because We had so many enemies. My biggest regret was not pushing harder for a Snow Dog lynch and defending Be a 1.0 harder. I think that might have changed a lot of things.
I don't think you would have got me lynched from that early thing. It wasn't evidence of me being bad. Just irritated by gleam. As were others it seems.
I've gotten others lynched for less. i put you on the backburner after a bit... I should not have.

Don't think it made much difference anyway. The only person I killed I voted to rez again. You had a long list of suspects. i did not stand out from the rest.

Dom wrote:Thanks MP! As, you know, I was starting to get on track in finding Ryan when Night 7 happened. DH was my next guess. Being a civvie in this game was really challenging because We had so many enemies. My biggest regret was not pushing harder for a Snow Dog lynch and defending Be a 1.0 harder. I think that might have changed a lot of things.

I don't think you would have got me lynched from that early thing. It wasn't evidence of me being bad. Just irritated by gleam. As were others it seems.

Dom wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Dom wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:Dom had excellent instincts, guesses, not sure. But once he mentioned dfaraday, snow, and bullz, we knew he had to go. Guess he had a block?
Thank you! I tried so hard to be a civvie... I'm a better baddie, I think....

I had some sort of prize, I can't remember. 2 plasmids or something idk.

hey Dom about your early suspicion of me. You know withy my comment about lynching Agleamingranks? I would have said the same thing if I had been civ or bad. It was stupid to post it though being bad.
My suspicion of you came from your reaction to my initial ping, but fair enough...

Yeah. I didn't mean it to sound like I was wriggling out of what i said. I actually loved Aces post and heartily agreed with him aboutgleaming. I was genuinely surprised that you made no comment on his post too.

Matahari wrote:Thanks daisy! I can't remember for sure, but I think devin might have been the only person I tried to kill twice. I'm not sure, maybe I tried someone else twice, but I can't remember. Who kept blocking me with bees?

Think I may have done that once

Oops linki

I incinerated mongoose btw . And after saying I felt so bad about it I had to vote to rezz her.

Dom wrote:
Hedgeowl wrote:Dom had excellent instincts, guesses, not sure. But once he mentioned dfaraday, snow, and bullz, we knew he had to go. Guess he had a block?
Thank you! I tried so hard to be a civvie... I'm a better baddie, I think....

I had some sort of prize, I can't remember. 2 plasmids or something idk.

hey Dom about your early suspicion of me. You know withy my comment about lynching Agleamingranks? I would have said the same thing if I had been civ or bad. It was stupid to post it though being bad.

Nevinera wrote:I'm sorry I stole Epi from you, Snow :-\
But when he forwarded the team switch to you guys accidentally, I can't believe you believed his line :-)
He must be a fast talker :-P

We truly dropped the ball there. I think we wanted to believe Epi was still with us more than anything. We never really dwelt on that mistake. We didn't realise it was a mistake. We were foolish and paid a huge price in the night of the long knives.

How nev didn't get lynched after Owl I don't understand.

Boooooooooo

bea wrote:welcome to zombie land mata - have a nice stiff one on me TBH - I've been rooting for the LMS roles since I died as bea 2.0. In my heart, I'm always bea 1.0 and proudly Ryan's Army

Can I have a stiff one on you?

bea wrote:One very large vodka with a splash of tonic......here you go sir. Welcome to the Zombie Bar.

One very large long island ice tea (closest thing I could think of to "everything" enjoy gentlemen.

Thank you, sweet bea!

bea wrote:....starts prepping the bar.....

I'll have a vodka and tonic...a very very large one...make it a bottle

Mongoose wrote:
Kate wrote:I agree with Aces. Deals with the devil never work out. Why would someone want to stay in the game just to work for someone else who's win conditions are not the same? What is the benefit there to them to maintaining the alliance?
If INH is lynched tonight instead of Bea 2.0, I'll definitely consider this for Day 9 vote. I promise I am taking in what you are all saying even if it may seem like I'm not.

Maybe they are both bad. Whichever one escapes unharmed tonight will surely face more scrutiny leading up to the next lynch.

I don't understand. Why would you not vote a confirmed baddie?

Thinking again about Indiglo's testimony. And all of Bea's posts since. I'm pretty convinced, coupled with Indi's suspicious death circumstances, that Bea is bad. We need to kill baddies without delay so with that in mind I am voting Bea.

RIP DH and Indiglo too. Will miss both your contributions. (Although DH seemed burnt out after The Event.....me too)

I have read back to since Bea 2 started posting and read Indiglo's comments about her. As she seems to know Bea's game very well I put a lot of faith in her points. It did seem like Bea slipped up and she did react differently than before. I voted Bea once and she was civ and don't want to make the same mistake again, but if she is bad I must.

So I'll probably vote Bea, but I need to read INH too. And Dom. Just comes and posts a few names to see what happens I guess.

Is your issue with me still that post I made about wanting to lynch Gleaming?

Brilliant.

Bullzeye wrote:
Epignosis wrote:Am I wrong about Bullzeye? Or do you people want to fart around some more?
You're wrong about me. Just like anyone else still insisting I'm bad. There has never been anything solid against me other than two votes and that alone means nothing.

Not sure I fully understand the case against you. Besides your votes I mean. I noticed before I voted that Bea was getting a lot of attention already. I'll have to go back and read all that because I don't understand it.

RIP Dex. Zany Dex/Mad Doctor...somehow appropriate.

Got it wrong again. Becoming a habit unfortunately.

I have a lot of catching up to do. Been busy recently and don't have time now so voting Dex. He was second on my list after Bea (although that didn't turn out well). I may as well stick with it though.

Voted Dex

Welcome Kate and welcome back bea. Always good to have you two around.

Sorry. Really hot day here and can't be assed to say anything at the moment.

I want Mongoose back!

I was going to suggest bringing bea back but she isn't in the poll...

RIP Bea. Sorry to have read you all wrong.

Ok.this is where I am. I need to vote now. I voted Bea last time and see no reason to change that. I think she is bad and I hope we soon see that. Dex can wait for another day, as can Bullz and Dom if there is anything there. If Bea is bad then Dom will be getting attention next. I don't know why boomslang thinks I'm bad, perhaps he can tell me at some time.

Votes Bea.

I don't know how Bullz has seemed to come out ahead of Bea now. Perhaps I should reread? I see no reason not to vote Bea again. Any suspicions I had of her are still relevant. Although Dom seems to defend her all the time. I daren't accuse Dom of anything though or I'll be accused of "No thouing".
So in short probably still voting for Bea. Or Mr Dex. He is so unhelpful it is difficult to say if he is good or bad. Which is what he wants I suppose.

Boomslang wrote:
bea wrote:ebwop - and boats. :faceplam: this is what mafia is like for me before caffine.

Ok - so my thought today was to see who, if anyone, has consistently voted for a civ, while not voting for teefies on day 2. Here's what i've come up with:

Day 1: A Person voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Devin, Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Snow Dog and Mata.
Day 3: Llama voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Insertnamehere, Bullzeye, Devin and Mata. (Snow Dog voted Lizzy)
Day 4: Boo voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Mata, Devin, Bullzeye and Snowdog
Day 5: Boats voters who did not vote for teefies and are still alive: Bullzeye, Devin, and Mata.

My main thinking here was that on Day 2 maybe the potential teammates didn't try to save teefies, but also maybe they didn't throw a vote their way. When I play as a baddie, I tend to vote the strongest case w/o much thought to it so that I can blend it. What I didn't expect to find was the same names pop up so often. I'm not quite sure what to make of that.

I'd been leaning civ for devin.

I'm unsure about snowdog.

I forgot name was playing again.

I have no read on mata at all.
This is... actually rather excellent analysis. The clustering is definitely worth a look, especially for mata, who hasn't seemed to raise any previous concerns. I've been pointing out Snowdog's blendiness in thread posts before, and this corroborates that gut instinct with some poll results.

This makes me laugh. I haven't been in the least bit blendy. Was a Lizzy voter early on. didn't vote for Boats. Anything else?

What the fuck is teefies?

RIP Mongoose. I thought you were good and I enjoy playing with you. What a way to go!

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:I ended up voting him because if he was civ he wasn't helping. I didn't really have anything much in the way of baddies so I decided to vote a person who wasn't around at all anyway.

It's more so I didn't have suspicions, so I'd rather give it a shot with someone who wasn't around than someone who was actually potentially helping the cause.

Not sure I really understand DP. You stood up for him and then you voted for him claiming that if he was a civ (Which according to your very own defense of him he could very well be...in fact you disputed the very foundation of the case on him.) he wasn't helping much. Sorry? I never actually see you helping much either.

This is a typical DP post.

That's it. Now not all your posts are as minimal of course but just pointing out that you aren't particularly helpful most of the time.

But, I don't know a baddie reason why you would defend him then purposefully vote for him so I'll put it down to your quirky nature.

ebwop

RIP Boats.

I must say I am not totally surprised that he was a civ. I was swayed by DPs argument even if he himself wasn't. Seems you definitely can read back a few pages and post thoughts in 12 minutes.

QED!

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Alright since Boats still isn't showing I guess I'll just vote him anyway since he's not really helping anything.

You were the person who that defended Boats in the first place. You said that you do what he did. That being, quickly skimming the posts and then posting your thoughts. I have lowered him in my suspicion due to your "evidence". What has made you disregard that and vote for him anyway?

Hadn't realised I haven't posted for ages. That event just about took the desire to post out of me.

Anyway it is certain that Boatsdittoditto will now be lynched. Well barring vote manipultions I suppose. So where do I place my vote?

Bea is my strongest suspicion. It isn't just her vote, it is her posts. They don't ring true (as has been pointed out)
Boats..well I'm not too worried about him to be honest. Maybe he could read and post in 12 mins like DP says.
Bullz, another suspect, but this time based only on his vote. His posts haven't rung any alarm bells.
Zany. I simply don't know but he is not helpful.

Ach. I don't trust Bea. Her posts are off. They don't ring true.

Votes Bea

Yep RIP Vomps. Bit surprised by that kill.

Bullzeye wrote:
Devin the Omniscient wrote:Well shit! I am very sorry I did not trust you boo! It is very difficult to believe someone who explodes with rage on one giant post and then don't say anything else. I will definitely be looking into your advice, though. I am divided between a couple of people at this point. Despite boo flipping civ I think the other Bs are a good place to look. I am not sure how I feel about DH, though.
DH was wrong about Boo and he's wrong if he still thinks I'm bad but I don't think that that alone makes him a baddie. Not one of BWT's team anyway. Bea and Boats I could see being bad, and if we really must lynch all the Bs I'd like very much for us to do it in alphabetical order.

Well....it's a plan.

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Well darn it. RIP Boo.

With that last post from Boo I am worried we lynched a "civ". Inverted commas for his sake. Not any baddie \i have yet seens gives such thourough advice before his almost ceertain death. of course if he survives that is another matter.

What does everyone else think? Epignosis? Dharmahelper? Aces?

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I'm going to go ahead and vote. Despite Ace's warning I am going to vote boo. Seems the most sensible option at this time.

Votes Boo

DisgruntledPorcupine wrote:Also to throw stuff out there, well boo is one of my suspicions like I just said with the vote. Honestly I don't really have many. 3 games is hard for me to keep up with! I'll make sure never to do this again as it would seem I haven't learned the first million times I've done this.

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Besides this Boo vote you just seem so non committal. You just won't be pinned down. Now playing too many mafia games..I get that. I have done the same thing. You don't make it easy though. Wishy-washy. That is how I would describe you answers. Wishy-washy.
Ok you are saying that boats had time to skim the posts and his thoughts in, what was it..12 minutes? I mean if that is right the bottom falls out of the whole theory. Personally I don't know..never timed myself.

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Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:@Epignosis. To be fair to Dom I can see why i stood out for a challenge. It was pretty unwise to express my thoughts in such away regarding asking everyone to lynch agleaminranks. And then in my defense I brought up someone else who had similar thoughts. I think it was Aces. I got a b it over defensive probably and he seemed to think I was trying to turn attention on to him. I wasn't, not intentionally anyway.
Anyway I thought the whole thing had blown over.
I'm wondering why people are so keen to disregard my Vompatti theory. His trying to put a spanner in the works in the event. A baddie might do that. His strange post regarding everyon thinking he was Lizzy's civ friend. I don't as they say getb "warm fuzzies" from him. Probably a discusion for later though. We have bigger fish to fry.

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What is a spanner? Never mind, I looked it up. Never used that word before.

And to hell with later. I'm tired of talking about the same shit.

As for Vompatti, he vouched for thellama73 and turned out to be right. He vouched for Lizzy who got killed by a splicer. So I'm (still) up in the air about him.

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haha..I never use the word wrench either. The difference of our same language. Do you say "Putting a wrench in the works"?

Ok he vouched for Llama, but I vouched for boogs recently in rey's game and I was bad. It gets him civ cred. Alright I admit, I am not totally sold on Vomps being bad. Just putting it out there just in case something else comes to light. I certainly won't be pushing for a Vompatti lynch soon. If at all if I am convinced otherwise.

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Yeah, we actually say "throw a wrench into the works."

Addendum: Yep.

Anyway, I wouldn't be comfortable with a Vompatti lynch. He's weird, and I think he takes odd chances, but that's all (at this point).

Also, it seems the GOB voted (again?) without saying a word.

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Yes. You are right about Vomps being weird. That is why he is so hard to pin down. But as no one else seems to agree then I'll drop it.
I think I am going to vote Boo after all. Bea can wait for now.

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thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote: haha..I never use the word wrench either. The difference of our same language. Do you say "Putting a wrench in the works"?
It's usually "throwing a wrench in the works" but yes. While the word wrench has a rather violent connotation (if you wrench a wrench, you are probably using it wrong) I don't understand spanner at all. What does it span? A spanner should be something that holds two things apart, creating a gap, I would think.

I guess it spans the nut that will be turned. All i know is it is the word we use in Britain. You just won't hear wrench much unless it's a monkey wrench which i believe is an adjustable spanner.

Epignosis wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:@Epignosis. To be fair to Dom I can see why i stood out for a challenge. It was pretty unwise to express my thoughts in such away regarding asking everyone to lynch agleaminranks. And then in my defense I brought up someone else who had similar thoughts. I think it was Aces. I got a b it over defensive probably and he seemed to think I was trying to turn attention on to him. I wasn't, not intentionally anyway.
Anyway I thought the whole thing had blown over.
I'm wondering why people are so keen to disregard my Vompatti theory. His trying to put a spanner in the works in the event. A baddie might do that. His strange post regarding everyon thinking he was Lizzy's civ friend. I don't as they say getb "warm fuzzies" from him. Probably a discusion for later though. We have bigger fish to fry.

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What is a spanner? Never mind, I looked it up. Never used that word before.

And to hell with later. I'm tired of talking about the same shit.

As for Vompatti, he vouched for thellama73 and turned out to be right. He vouched for Lizzy who got killed by a splicer. So I'm (still) up in the air about him.

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haha..I never use the word wrench either. The difference of our same language. Do you say "Putting a wrench in the works"?

Ok he vouched for Llama, but I vouched for boogs recently in rey's game and I was bad. It gets him civ cred. Alright I admit, I am not totally sold on Vomps being bad. Just putting it out there just in case something else comes to light. I certainly won't be pushing for a Vompatti lynch soon. If at all if I am convinced otherwise.

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@Epignosis. To be fair to Dom I can see why i stood out for a challenge. It was pretty unwise to express my thoughts in such away regarding asking everyone to lynch agleaminranks. And then in my defense I brought up someone else who had similar thoughts. I think it was Aces. I got a b it over defensive probably and he seemed to think I was trying to turn attention on to him. I wasn't, not intentionally anyway.
Anyway I thought the whole thing had blown over.
I'm wondering why people are so keen to disregard my Vompatti theory. His trying to put a spanner in the works in the event. A baddie might do that. His strange post regarding everyon thinking he was Lizzy's civ friend. I don't as they say getb "warm fuzzies" from him. Probably a discusion for later though. We have bigger fish to fry.

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Epignosis wrote:
Nevinera wrote:
Epignosis wrote: I don't know what degree of discussion is permissible and I'd like to err on the side of caution. Perhaps you should reread the role descriptions. As for me, I'm just not sure I buy it is all- if boo is saying what I think he's saying, then, well, he a damn fool.

And I'd still like to hear from Boats before I commit to voting for him.

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I have. I've reread them a dozen times today. I see the people he must be claiming to be one of, but I do not see any role or combination of events that would explain his belief that anyone specific would get lynched the following day.

I also see no *evidence* to support his claims, and I rather care about that - if I were going to pretend to be someone specific to get out of being lynched, I would certainly pick one of those few roles to pretend to be. It's unverifiable, and it would present the least threat to the most people.

I'm voting for Boo.

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I understand and respect your decision. My hesitation comes not from boo's own posts, but from AceofSpaces sudden turnaround and his warning. I'm still mulling this over.

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Yes it is definitely giving me pause for thought. It worries me enough that I am considering a Boats, Bea or Bullz vote. Not sure too much on Bullz yet because besides his voting, his posts ring true. Boats and Bea on the other hand.....
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AceofSpaces wrote:
bea wrote:his incentive to stay quiet is that he laid down his gauntlet. I can't see him having more to say after his mega post, though I could be wrong. And yes - we do have yet to hear from boats.

And you know who's gotten quiet again after we gave him a pass? gob. Not one thing this whole period. And I'm guessing now that I've mentioned it, there will be more "oh, I got busy and now I am trying to do the best I can." - honestly, I was tweeked by him "playing the noob card" as soon as I mentioned it as an option. And I gave him the pass and now it's time to start playing the game.

I'll go with my fellow civs - if we want to lynch boo, I'm cool with that, but for one second don't think my eyes aren't all over gob. I'll throw votes his way in a heartbeat if he doesn't start playing the game like he says he was going to.

@ snowdog - was I crazy in thinking that someone posted a "look at all the ways there could be civ bts?" - post? Because I swore during one of my skim sessions I saw something like that, but I can't find it again for the life of me.
Speaking of Bea. This post immediately caught my eye. She points to GOB, a relatively quiet player. Now, while I don't like quiet players this late in the game ( no one point out my record in He-Man...) as I understand it GOB is a new player. I'm sympathetic to new players. It's easy to be intimidated by this game, especially with how fast the post have been coming in the past day.

To me, she seems to be trying to deflect attention to an easy target.

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Good points. I hadn't really turned my attention to bea or Bullz much yet. But I can definitely see a case her. I'll have to look at the Bullz evidence later. Llama's B for baddie theory could be panning out!

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