The Syndicate

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:55 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:54 pm G-Man jumped on to give a civ an additional vote. Noted.
I do not think this is a fair assessment.

It's accurate, though.

G-Man jumped on to give a civ an additional vote. Noted.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:06 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 7:04 pm Changed vote to DH.
Nice.

My choice is 100% self preservation.

Changed vote to DH.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:57 pm @thellama73 @LoRab @Vivax I read Quin as town and have spoken about it at length. I do not expect anyone who has not been persuaded by my argument thus far to have a sudden change of heart now.

But we do have an hour and change remaining. Rather than trying to convince any Quin voters to change their minds about him, I am instead interested in hearing if they have any other strong suspicions. I am still lacking clear suspects myself, so I would like to explore new options anyway.

LoRab, I understand your vote is self-preservation. Do you have any thoughts on the individual players that are voting for you?

I don't think Quin is bad. However, I know that I am definitely not bad, and so I'm doing the only thing I can do to save myself.

Of those voting for me:
Kate bad,
DF no idea,
Elo I think good, but I keep getting pings,
Scotty back and forth on him.
Quin I think is civ.

I also am leaning towards DH has civ, but I'm not sure. Of the 2 out there right now where a vote could realistically save me, I'd rather vote DH than Quin--but my gut thinks this may be 3 civs.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine for the sole purpose of self preservation.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 6:35 pm Hey, I went back to read Scotty's case on LoRab and found something interesting. He quoted this.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.
Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.
LoRab 'not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow', which in the moment I took as a statement about the fact they were insanified and our old school policy of not lynching people who couldn't speak in their defence (and I think this is an accurate read of the meaning of the statement still). But she has also now said that's who she specifically suspects.

LoRab, could you speak as to why you'd have us look at those two specifically if you flip civ?

I indeed don't believe in going after people who cannot respond, as part of my own mafia playing ethics. And yes, I suspect them both. I think a good move for a mafia team is to control the posting of a teamate on night 1. She was quick to vote for me today and should know better than to see my play as evil. (unless it was a forced vote)--but in general, I'm not seeing civ-Kate. Bea--her tone is off.

You know what I love--players telling me how I should play the game. Seriously. It's my favorite. Almost as much as when people say that civvies deserved to be lynched.

I wish I were bad--I find being bad much easier, but here we are. I'm civ. I wish I were able to help the civvies win.

If I'm lynched, go after Kate and Bea next. Scotty isn't making me feel great. Llama may also be a baddie--I keep going back and forth on him. And Dr Wilgy needs to stop licking people and hiding behind his goofiness--it is making me increasingly suspect him.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:46 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 10:18 am
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:08 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.
I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:38 pm
Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.
Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:47 pm I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.
This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 pm Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.
Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.
Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.
Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine
Do I “deserve” to be suspected? I mean, i don’t think I’ve ever played and not been suspected. Especially on here.

Indeed, I don’t have many reads. It’s day frigging 2 and I haven’t played in a while. Also, I tend to think more about mechanics than read early in games. Mainly because my reads on people come largely from pattern recognition of individual’s posts, which takes time.

To define terms: switchers= OMGUS. In the mafia culture I learned in, of which this site came from, that was the standard term.

Civvie roles that want to get voted out (often day 1) are not uncommon. And fake slipping is a way that role is often played.

I voted Bea because I usually read her fairly easily, but I don’t have a read on her yet. So I wanted her to know she has my eyeball on her.

I’m civ. I get that I’ve been quiet and that I don’t currently have strong reads. I also know that my style often reads bad on this site. I had thought maybe that would be the case in this old timers game, but here we are.

Im civv. Don’t know how to prove that or convince anyone of that. But none of what has been said about me is allignment indicative. It’s just me.

And, because someone will call me out if I don’t. Eye me all you want.
I unfortunately have yet to see you have any reads. This is different from your annoyance at being suspected for not having strong or many reads.
You even clarify that you don’t even have a read for bea, the only real person you’ve shown opinion for.

Furthermore, I don't see evidence in the thread of you thinking about mechanics either.

When one is being suspected and has to defend one's self, one has less time to come up with reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:56 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia
I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.

Indeed. And for a good several years before the syndicate existed.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:02 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:56 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia
I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.
What about mafia reads?

Like…we’re almost at the end of day 2. We’ve had 2 deaths and plenty of talking points.

It’s like going to get a massage and the first 7 sessions with the masseuse are them talking about all the pressure points they’re going to hit and how great it’s going to feel…while never touching you.

And here you are accusing a civ of being bad and making it even more difficult to think about reads.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 3:56 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel good about because don’t want to help mafia
I think this point may make Lorab difficult to read, or cause us to default to suspicion against her. This mindset is a bit of a relic from an earlier era of Syndicate games, where sharing town reads was seen as a hindrance because it gave the mafia a team a roadmap of which players to kill first. This means we are unlikely to get the type of reads out of Lorab that we would normally want, even if she is town.
To @LoRab I'll say this:

Unfortunately, the strategy of withholding town reads is unlikely to benefit you or anyone else in this game. For one, the majority of players in this game are not adhering to it. So even if you wish to keep your town reads secret, others are not inclined to do so. The advantage of "not helping mafia" is completely lost in this case. Instead, withholding your town reads is likely to only cause greater frustration for you and other civilians. You, because you may find it difficult to shake the suspicion against you. Others, because they will not find the type of content they are looking for from you.

Sharing town reads openly has become a central part of most players' approaches to game-solving. The idea is that civilians benefit from identifying one another and then working together, using process of elimination, to catch the bad guys. You may not agree with that approach. But it remains the case that there is little, if anything, to be gained by having one player opt not to share their town reads in an environment where the majority of players are freely expressing theirs.

I don't change my style because it is different from other people's. I don't agree with or disagree with that approach--but it isn't mine.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:11 pm I want to reiterate that I’m not suspicious of LoRab not having town reads per se. She can do that just as much as Golden can be smug about the little hats he puts on all of our action figures on his bookshelf.

I’m more critical of the way she’s defending herself and promising more and giving less

I don't know how else to defend myself. You're right--I've been quiet. I haven't had reads to share. And that doesn't make me bad.

And, at this point, I don't have much time to formulate any before EOD, and will have to probably vote to save myself.

I ask you all the question: When I flip civvie, who are you going to suspect as a result?

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Oct 28, 2022 4:08 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 10:45 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite
Did you just role claim a mafia role?

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in
If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.
These two posts go together. LoRab thinks this jokey scum claim from Scotty is alignment indicative (a later post clarifies this somewhat). I'm okay with that.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Follows from the above, but I am confused at the "looking for votes as a civ thing" part. Need her to explain this.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 1:33 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.
I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:38 pm
Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.
Her conclusion from all this is that he's town, because scum reading LoRab in this game is a thing civilians do. But also, Scotty could be scum because 'switcheroo'. Do you think you deserve to be scum read, LoRab? I do.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:47 pm I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.
This post may as well have not been made. It has nothing to do with the game.

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 pm Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.
Give me a better reason than this for why you voted bea, please. The last two posts set you up to look like you were making the most inoffensive vote possible.

LoRab wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:29 pm
Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.
Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.
Revising what I said before. I misremembered this post as LoRab talking about not wanting to explain her town reads, which I thought was a bad look because she lacked the clout needed for scum to want to react to them. Now reading it again, that's all because Scotty specified town reads in his ISO. What a nugget. I'm not concerned if she's holding back on her scum reads.

I still have absolutely no idea what is going on in LoRab's head besides "Scotty could be either good or bad".

Not repeating Scotty's ISO in here, I agree with all of it. You said you have more time, so I'd appreciate you using it to respond to this, and provide reads. [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

Do I “deserve” to be suspected? I mean, i don’t think I’ve ever played and not been suspected. Especially on here.

Indeed, I don’t have many reads. It’s day frigging 2 and I haven’t played in a while. Also, I tend to think more about mechanics than read early in games. Mainly because my reads on people come largely from pattern recognition of individual’s posts, which takes time.

To define terms: switchers= OMGUS. In the mafia culture I learned in, of which this site came from, that was the standard term.

Civvie roles that want to get voted out (often day 1) are not uncommon. And fake slipping is a way that role is often played.

I voted Bea because I usually read her fairly easily, but I don’t have a read on her yet. So I wanted her to know she has my eyeball on her.

I’m civ. I get that I’ve been quiet and that I don’t currently have strong reads. I also know that my style often reads bad on this site. I had thought maybe that would be the case in this old timers game, but here we are.

Im civv. Don’t know how to prove that or convince anyone of that. But none of what has been said about me is allignment indicative. It’s just me.

And, because someone will call me out if I don’t. Eye me all you want.

Golden wrote: ↑Thu Oct 27, 2022 7:02 pm
@LoRab got any reads yet?

I don’t like how quiet it is. Suggests the mafia are under no real pressure at all. The game is coasting.

Not really. I’m not thinking about bea and kate until tomorrow. And really wanting to know what happened to bea. I have more players I feel good about than am suspish of. Which makes sense in terms of numbers, but is annoying. Not wanting to name who I feel goosed about because don’t want to help mafia. And not convinced the game secrets don’t contain weirdness that makes the allegiances less obvious than they seem.

Why did JJJ vote in the poll? Error/mischief? Game mechanic? He replaced in and I missed it?

I'm here!! Went to bed before the results posted last night (because I'm an old person). RIPIYWG (nd you probably were), Splints. (and yes, I know that all of the night victims are likely civ, but I make no assumptions--assumptions are dangerous in this game). And sorry that this post is kind of all over the place.

Splints is a good player, and so I can see why she'd be a N1 target for mafia. Especially if one of the players is someone whom she historically has been able to read. Now I need to remember who that could be. And, mafia knows that anyone not on their team is civ, so is a good target no matter what.

And I should have a normal-er schedule now, so can post more regularly. And maybe actually get reads on people.

Also, I swear that I totally submitted a song for the contest, but now that message seems to have disappeared, and it's super weird. And I'm curious where it went to.

Looking at the visible night results, Kate was Greened and Bea was somethinged. Not knowing what role/circumstance had that effect on Bea, hard to say if that's good or bad. I disagree with whomever said it was a result of the map poll--since she wasn't the only Canada voter, but seems to be the only one whose posts have been altered. And she even said (I think?) that it wasn't Vompatti.

I have more thoughts and I'll remember them later.

EBEOP

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:56 pm Before anyone accuses me for not picking Jerusalem, first—so not ready for that flight during Covid. Second, it sounded like a super Christian tour, and that just isn’t the trip for me. (Although I would absolutely love an interfaith Israel/Palestine trip. And would run one if I had the right partners. Atheists welcomed, because I appreciate LC and honor his atheism.

Before anyone accuses me for not picking Jerusalem, first—so not ready for that flight during Covid. Second, it sounded like a super Christian tour, and that just isn’t the trip for me. (Although I would absolutely love an interfaith Israel/Palestine trip. And would run one if I had the right partners. Atheists welcomed, because I appreciate LC and honor his atheism.

I voted Canada. Because that’s where LC is.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:52 pm Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.
This is like going to KFC and ordering a hamburger

I’m a pescatarian, more likely I’d order cheese on a bun. (Kept not in green, because my response also works as metaphor.

Voting Bea.

[VOTE: Bea] aubergine

I don’t suspect her much, but I don’t have a read on her yet. And I want her to come out and play more.

I am not going to, but tempted to vote axehole, because he doesn’t seem to honor at all the way other people play, and not adapting to the way many of us are used to. Which is frustrating, and I’m trying not to let me suspect him because I’m annoyed. Similar with VIVA.

Home from work. Just finished reading through the rest of day. And don’t worry—I’m going to vote. There’s over 20 minutes left. Why rush?

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:30 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 8:02 am
Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?
Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.
Hi.

Here’s my response:

Really? That’s the hill you’re leading a charge on? Yikes.

I wasn't leading a charge. I was noticing a weirdness. But ok.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 12:38 pm
Lorab did indeed pop in, as Vivax pointed out, just to call attention to my joke post. That…sure is something. She needs to offer more than that.

Obviously, I didn't read it as a joke post--to be fair, I was reading the entire day's worth of posts, so I likely missed tone. And I will offer more--as I said in the sign ups, I was away for a long weekend, so didn't have much time to get into the game. And yesterday was traveling back home yesterday. As I'm sure you remember, you'll get plenty more from me.

I'm going to assume that you are a civ, and that you are reading me as bad because you are not. But, keeping in mind that it could be a switcheroo.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:54 am

Do you sus Scotty for that ?

Not necessarily. I want to see how he responds.

Or with secrets in civvie roles, there’s also a chance he may be looking for votes as a civ thing.

So, really, I want to see how he responds.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 7:45 am What about bea buddying G-Man is assuming that G-Man is town, given that there are two mafia teams?

There are? I see only 1. And an indy with entirely unknown win conditions.

Vivax wrote: ↑Tue Oct 25, 2022 5:25 am [VOTE: LoRab] aubergine

For snipey pop-in

If pointing out a strange post makes me seem suspish to you, I’m ok with that.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 8:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Oct 24, 2022 7:36 pm You guys will get there eventuallt.
oh thank Cthulhu I can finally role check you tonite

Did you just role claim a mafia role?

Popping in. I’ll be driving most of the day, and so I can do so safely, will not be posting and driving. But I will try to check in on stops.

Note well use adverb above, as well as in this sentence.

How does Tokyo Rose have no other votes? I know she was no longer around when most of you came to this community, but I know some of you overlapped.

Hello, all. I have arrived.

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