The Syndicate

I'm resigned to my fate. SVS has made up her mind, and there's really nothing I can do about it. So, it is what it is. I did my best.

I'm voting Sorsha, for what it's worth and for those curious. I feel that's the best choice for me to make at this point. I can only hope that enough people see my value and that they act in my interest.

I'm hoping that there are enough votes with mine to make a difference.

EBWOP: Still angry that you smashed our plates. But if it's a challenge, I want to be on your team, because you tend to win those.

S~V~S wrote:I did advocate against it. I was told there is no more sickness. Then he gave up, and I did not try hard to talk him out of it since I knew he would probably be lynched anyhow since you were so determined. He was demoralized already, I did not want to talk him into staying just to be lynched anyhow. That would have been cruel and pointless.

And I felt more strongly about it after I woke up to find the healer dead and me...sick. I have said this. Often. For me wellbeing transcends alliance.

And I know you keep saying stabbing in the back, but I really honestly think we are all in danger we would not have been in becasue you were so sure that sickness was eliminated with INH. And I came right out and said it. What is going to happen in the next week or so, THAT will be back stabbing. This I don't think so. But I can't say I blame you for thinking it.

I was never sure. I was speculating that it might be true. I never said it as fact or even implied taht I thought it was fact. That you are saying that I did is dishonest. I get that you are upset that you are sick. I am upset that I am poisoned. I am not thrilled that the risk we all took by thinking that sickness/poisoning might no longer be a factor was not the case, obviously. I also am confident that there are cures other than 1 role, because from a game design perspective that just makes logical sense. It would be impossible to have a balanced game if there were only 1 way for folks to be cured--especially by a player who can pick and choose who to cure. And we already know from experience that rewards can lead to cures.

Why I think it is back stabbing is that the relative danger of everyone was exactly the same when we had BTSC and the next day. You knew where I was voting. You accepted that I was voting there, and said you were ok with it. The only thing that changed is that you got sick--the assumption that sickness didn't exist was wrong. And now, 2 of us have been poisoned (which is even stranger than you being sick, tbh--and more worrisome, as sicknesses tend to go away with time, I'm not so sure the effects of poison do without a cure). I didn't make you sick. My wanting to get a player who was a threat to me off the island didn't create illness in the game. You seem to be creating cause and effect where none exists. And thus, I do see it as stabbing me in the back.

Opt_Outside wrote:Phew, what a day... I'm not sick. That's very strange that two of you are. It can't be an ability- that ability has been eliminated and he could only do one person at a time anyway. There must be a gameplay aspect that we don't know about yet. I think my hunger is dropping though- I haven't had fishing luck. I hope as many of us get reward as possible cause being starving and sick out in the jungle of wherever we are ain't ideal. I can be a captain if we need another or I'm happy to hang back too

I'd vote for you for captain.

If you felt so strongly, you could have advocated against his lynch in btsc. You did not do so.

You are absolutely wrong about my motives and the assumptions you've made based on one post. Hat post was meant to democratize he food, rather than keep the ability to eat behind the hidden communication of btsc. Unlike others, who were privy to chats with sorsha, I never got to eat. So I was hungry. It's not like people hadn't asked for food before.

Also, I was following the protocol we had followed on our original beach.

I don't blame you for stabbing me in the back. It's all good.

S~V~S wrote:I see. So I guess no one is voting becasue of jockeying for position? Like most votes probably gets first pick?

I assume votes are changeable?

OK,bbl,off to work.

Quick question, LoRab, now that Sorsha has answered your question to your satisfaction, who are you looking at today?

I'm not completely set, but you've sort of put me in a position that makes this difficult by coming after me. Because I still have an alliance with people with whom you have an alliance, and I'm not going to break my word to anyone without talking to them first, when they haven't done anything to break their word to me. But I also don't want to do anything that you would want me to do. Which leaves me with a likely vote against sorsha.

Nope.

Some but not all of the polls seem to have been connected to the challenge the next day. They don't all appear to have had any result (like the woods one). Although I guess the result could be hidden from us.

Quin wrote:Golden and LoRab, were you both told you were 'poisoned' specifically? Or could you just be sick from the rain?

specifically poisoned.

Opt_Outside wrote:

Golden wrote:I've been poisoned.

What?? I don't think anyone left has that ability... could it have been a random game thing?

Given it was 2 of us, not thinking random game.

Opt, you good?

I'm feeling ilke everyone needs to check in on health.

Golden wrote:I've been poisoned.

So was I.

S~V~S wrote:So you wanted Faraday gone because you heard rumors he was gunning for you, but you don't recall who told you these rumors?

Did anyone here have reason to believe Faraday was gunning for anyone?

I am going to call my sister then go to bed. We have all day to talk about it tomorrow. Night!

P.s. LoRab, you were one of my Mafia tutors. I would be insane to trust you, and you know that comes from a place of love.

No, I don't remember from whom I hear everything I hear. But, yes, I do believe he was after me.

PS I'm flattered, truly. But I have truly been trustworthy in this game. I'm sorry that you don't trust that. And that also comes from a place of love.

S~V~S wrote:No it doesn't. That was you. I can send messages with you alive, and I can see who targeted someone with you gone. When we are out of BTSC, the message is better anyhow.

Nice try.

And tell me these rumors, tell me who told you these rumors about Faraday "gunning for you" or anyone else for that matter. Maybe it will get me off of your case

So, you can do something with me gone that you cannot do with me alive. Which is what I said.

I don't remember from whom I heard what. Only what I heard. Nor do I think that anything I say will get you off my case.

S~V~S wrote:

And, to clarify, the most valuable people to YOU were Sorsha and Faraday. You've made it clear now that I was never actually in your alliance, so according to your own words, they were not valuable to me.

No,and you know this.Faraday was just a doctor until the DH thing happened. And Sorsha and I had not even talked until the tribes came back together.

And you were in my alliance, but when you put your own good before that of the group, I was done. Like I said about DH earlier in the game, this is Survivor, not BFFs forever. I was fine with you last night when I went to bed. When I woke up this morning and found out I was sick, not so much.

I feel you put your own personal well being above that of the group. That is a valid reason to vote for people on Survivor.

Had I not been sick, after hearing allof your rationales for why there would be no more sickness, I was done.

And I know who you were going to push for a lynch on today because you told me. But again, that's she said/she said. But you and I know what is what in this scenario.

You did not make me sick, but your reckless desire to see Faraday dead so Eloh could cook caused a cure to be unavailable when I needed it.

You were fine with the risk until it didn't work out for you. And yes, you have made that clear--now, today, with your words. I didn't put my good before the group. I asked for food from elo publicly and asked about Sorsha's power publicly because I thought it best for the group to publicize the food--to bring it out there for everyone and democratize the food sharing. Do you think it better as a secretive process that is only shared with a few?

Quin wrote:LoRab, INH told me in BTSC the night DH got the boot that your intention as a Manama alliance was initially to take SVS and DF out first, in that order. Is this not true?

This is not true.

INH lied to you. If he spoke about his intention as a Manama alliance, it certainly did not reflect anything I said or what my intentions were. Please keep in mined that this is a player who had poisoned me the night before. He did not have my best interest at heart and was not playing an honest game. This is another thing he lied about, it seems.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:I can't know everything, but I know LoRab has never petitioned me to get either DF or SVS out.

I think he talking about when the tribes switched before we came back together.

When that happened, Lorab and I had BTS ASAP. I told her right up front that I was the role she needed dead, and she said she would be OK without the extra power.

He is talking about during the lynch, when he had BTS with INH and I had it with DH. He is not talking about Atamana, but he IS talking about after her and I had a tacit friendship agreement.

Like I have said, it is insane to trust LoRab (and she would be the first to agree). All I know is pregame, I spoke to no one but you, and I still have that PM

This can all wait until tomorrow, almost challenge time. I would like to be in the challenge, but being sick is an issue for me with that loss of food/water after energy runs out.

My agreement with you was not just because of tacit friendship. It was because I had an agreement with someone with whom I knew you also had an agreement--therefore, by the transitive property of agreements, I had an agreement with you. I had no intention of ever voting with you and had every intention of protecting you.

It is not insane to trust me. I have not gone back on my word in this game and will not, unless the person with whom there has been agreement has made the decision to themselves step away from that agreement.

S~V~S wrote:LoRab, why the hell would you think Faraday was dangerous? He just wanted to help people, similar to Eloh. He really liked being a healer. And we both know the truth of your ideas on who to lynch today. I would not have said a word if tonights BTS had not been suspended, but it has and someone had to start the festivities

Spell out for me how Faraday was dangerous, I missed that aspect of his game.

I heard rumors he was gunning for me in various chats. And that he was gunning for other people that I care about in the game. That, to me, is dangerous.

And I am very miffed that I am sick. And we knew that the Kumbaya moments would not last forever. I am sick. That changed things for me. Your miscalculation about sickness put me in danger; it put everyone in danger. Anyone of us can get sick and I think that that is your fault. Unless someone else came up with that theory about no more sickness? I would be willing to listen to that.

I don't remember who first noticed that no one had gotten sick or first speculated that no one could get sick. I don't think that it was me, but I can't guarantee that. It could have just as easily been an idea I threw out in a chat one night while trying to think through things. I honestly don't know. But I don't think it was MY miscalculation. I was hardly operating in a vacuum, nor was I the only person throwing out ideas.

I did not cause the sickness. I am not sure how it is my fault that anyone can be sick. I will point out that I am at risk of getting sick as much as anyone else.

Before yesterday, the most valuable people to ALL of us were Sorsha and Faraday. First you wanted him dead (and got it) now you want HER dead. That is a threat to everyone. Ironically, eliminating Faraday raised elohs value to the whole group. You are my now really my only alternative for a vote. I will not vote for food providers, plus Sorsha has never voted for the person I view as my primary partner, nor has she threatened me in any way. There are people I pledged to before you, and tbh, people who pledged to me before you did. You would have been happy enough to see me gone had what happened with DH not happened. That's how the game is played, yes?

That is not true. I told you in BTSC the first day we had the tribe swap that I had no plans to vote against you and that because of other deals you had, that I considered yourself in my protected circle. I never spoke of tribal alliances on that beach--I spoke of individuals to whom I had made promises--you were one of them. And you knew that.

And, to clarify, the most valuable people to YOU were Sorsha and Faraday. You've made it clear now that I was never actually in your alliance, so according to your own words, they were not valuable to me.

And I do not know for whom I am voting today. I asked her a question. Now that she has answered it, I have more information.

Had I not gotten sick, maybe it would have been different, although I don't see the circumstances that would have led me to vote for Sorsha. From your perspective, I am the worst possible person to have gotten sick, lol.

Well, I did not make anyone sick. Nor did I choose for you to be sick. It does seem to suck for me that the random illness that randomly appeared ended up on you.

Convenient for you though that your role gets better once you get me out of the game.

Hadn't gotten the chance to move my vote yet. Done now.

S~V~S wrote:

LoRab wrote:Elo, I could use some food tonight, if you're able to start feeding folks.

Elohcin wrote: I've got you. I also need to feed myself 1 too. I need to go get water. Want to stoke the fire til I get back and then I'll feed you some dinner?

So basically, LoRab, you lynched our health care provider to get your own personal chef?

No--I just wanted to put myself on the list of people who are hungry. Anyone else can ask Elo, as well. That's how Elo had used her role in the past, so I made the assumption that's how it would work again.

Sorsha wrote:I gave to Quin and sawyer on the first day. I gave 2 each to Epi and DF around the time Epi was sick. Someone said later that sawyer had stolen food from me around that time so I'm not sure if one or both of them got it. I've also given to opt and Golden and offered fish to others in bts when I've had it.

Thank you for letting me know. I never got the chance to BTSC with you, so I never go the chance. I wasn't sure if anyone else had. Or if your role was working.

I'll also say that if people were asking for food in BTSC, then asking for food in the thread isn't any different.

I appreciate the clarification.

S~V~S wrote:No, I am sick right now; read the night post. We got rid of ONE threat of being sick. But the sickness we had in our camp came BEFORE INH was there. There are lots of ways to get sick in the tropics.

LoRab and I discussed this yesterday, and her take on Atamai getting sick without a poisoner was, "Oh I am sure that was a one time event triggered by the poll" or words to that effect.

People on both tribes got food poisoning, triggered by the poll, in which people voted about bad things that could happen on the island. Everyone, at least on our beach, assumed it was from the poll. Was it a different assumption on your beach?

And those PM's specified "food poisoning." My PM when INH poisoned me said "poisoned." So, our sickness was from the same source as your beach. Several people (more than half of our tribe) got sick, all in one night. It had nothing to do with INH.

I didn't realize people could still get sick. It was a risk. I hope that the sickness doesn't last long. And he asked to be voted off. And I also thought that he was dangerous as a player--and that he was specifically dangerous to me. So there was also a self protective element, I admit.

I'm sorry you are sick now. I will do what I can to help you, if there is anything I can do. As I have told you, I am on your side. I obviously can't bring someone back. But I will keep the first going so you can get water. Or if you need to rest, I'll gather water so everyone can drink. Let me know what you need.

S~V~S wrote:

Elohcin wrote:I know that's what it said, just didn't know if someone else was already sick somehow.

I am sorry, I misunderstood.

If someone else is sick, they have not said. I am just concerned since we apparently still can get sick. Killing off the doctor was a mistake. He was no danger to anyone, and the only benefit to his death was a second food source. We can fish for ourselves, but I don't believe we can cure ourselves.

It is my feeling that LoRab wants to control access to food via her alliance to you. She knows you will not turn on her becasue that is not really part of your character. In addition to maneuvering it so that you got your food production power by the elimination of Faraday, she came out of the gate after the night post swinging at Sorsha, the other source of food besides fishing ourselves. Without a doctor, and in control of the other food source, she would sort of have us all by the shorts.

Perhaps she even did think we could not get sick, but she was wrong and now we are all in potential danger.

As I said above, I want us all to have access to food. And, indeed, I was wrong. Eliminating anyone or any role is a risk--I did not think that there was more illness in the game. I hope that it is short lived.

And I was asking Sorsha questions--I didn't mean to sound like I was swinging. You kept saying that she could feed us just like Elo, so I was trying to get a sense of how it worked, since I had seen no evidence personally of her role. I didn't mean to sound harsh.

Elohcin wrote:I did think Lorab's accusation of Sorsha was a bit harsh. I seem to remember her being harsh toward (I think it was) boomslang at the very beginning of the game. I don;t think she means it to come off that way even though it does.

I understand what you mean by her being in control of the food. And you are right that I won't turn against those who have been good to me until I have to. However, this is still a game. If someone I trust turns against me, I will not be helpful to them in return. As of right now, I don't think she meant to be harsh or control food by asking for me to help her out. But I appreciate your perspective, SVS, and will keep it in mind.

Indeed--I was asking for food because I was hungry, and having roles that can feed us allow us to also be able to do other thiings to be productive in the camp.

S~V~S wrote:He also said the reason he asked to be voted out was that he was demoralized for receiving three votes during the INH lynch for no reason.

Had he not received those votes, I would not be saying any of this now.

She wanted him gone back then, even before the poisoner was gone.

I didn't vote for him in the previous vote. That is not accurate.

linkitis: I did want DF out yesterday. I thought he was dangerous.

And yes, I was wrong. But how would I have known that there would still have been illness?

Also, I don't want to get rid of a food source. I asked Sorsha a question. She did not answer it--I got frustrated that she didn't answer it. She has not clarified.

And no power play on my part. But nice that you're stabbing me in the back now, after saying that you were going to keep me around.

I can't do the challenge. The timing doesn't work for me to be around then, and it seems like too risky a challenge to not be definitely be able to be around for.

Elohcin wrote:

LoRab wrote:Elo, I could use some food tonight, if you're able to start feeding folks.

I've got you. I also need to feed myself 1 too. I need to go get water. Want to stoke the fire til I get back and then I'll feed you some dinner?

Opt_Outside wrote:So who's thinking about the challenge? I restored my energy with the letters from home so I'm feeling ready to play

I'm afraid I won't be able to participate. I'll be picking my sister up from the bus station. She's coming to stay with us and we're going to try to help her get back on her feet. Prayers and good thoughts our way, please, in the coming weeks.

Prayers and good thoughts to you and your family!!

And thanks. I'm happy to go to the fire.

Sorsha wrote:

LoRab wrote:Elo, I could use some food tonight, if you're able to start feeding folks.

Sorsha wrote:Lack of food makes me cranky, don't know about you guys. Why can't i fish in the rain?

Have you been fishing? Because I haven't seen any evidence of your sharing food with anyone. Who have you been feeding?

Fishing wasn't an option yesterday and I've had other things needing to be done. You can fish for yourself if you're hungry though.

I meant in general. And I wasn't asking for you to feed me. I was asking whom you have fed. By your answer, it sounds like you've been using other aspects of your role, perhaps? Or I'm misunderstanding.

Elo, I could use some food tonight, if you're able to start feeding folks.

Sorsha wrote:Lack of food makes me cranky, don't know about you guys. Why can't i fish in the rain?

Have you been fishing? Because I haven't seen any evidence of your sharing food with anyone. Who have you been feeding?

speedchuck wrote:So I'm the most dishonest. Would like some explanation for that one, pls and thx.

And man, Golden and SVS are out to get me. I suppose that's to be expected, considering that Golden has separate alliances with 80% of the playerbase, but still. Cold, bro.

Especially on answers where 2 people tied for most, that logically means that it could be that only 2 people named either of those names. And we tied for that one. I'm not taking it personally, myself.

Elohcin wrote:And what happened to my second BTSC partner?

Not sure if I'm the first or the second, but I've been in and out of the chat. would love to talk.

Elohcin wrote:So I am the nicest AND I am the one that should have been voted out a long time ago. I don't see how that adds up.

I said you were nicest!! And most definitely not the other!!!!!

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:I'll admit I voted for you for 'who should have been voted off' df, because we were so shocked you survivedback on our old tribe after you slept through the challenge lol.

That happened the first day. It took like all day for the four person team to get their act together, too. The instructions were difficult and we had a 100% no show with zero posts

Congrats Quin and Opt! I was so close!

Without that context, which we didn't have until much later, we just read he had fallen asleep. Which made us flabbergasted to read he wasn't the first voted off the island.

Opt_Outside wrote: Good game guys! Golden, Lorab, y'all are still homies, plates or no plates. Just wanted to spread the wealth. I actually misread and didn't realize I would CONTINUE to smash one persons plates until they were out- I thought it would cycle through the whole list. Crazy stuff tonight. Keeping us guessing, I guess...

Golden is much nicer than I am. I totally blame you.

And i'd like BTSC tomorrow. If I live that long.

Golden wrote:

LoRab wrote:Damn--for a heck of a lot of right answers, I got a whole lot of plates smashed. Thanks, Opt and SVS.

You were on fire in that challenge! Opt cleaned me out though

This is a rough one to lose.

Yup.

Damn--for a heck of a lot of right answers, I got a whole lot of plates smashed. Thanks, Opt and SVS.

Elohcin wrote:Nevermind...Opt confirmed. Who else wants to talk?

Me!!

S~V~S wrote:OK so Lorab and Faraday, how about it?

sure!

DFaraday wrote:Guess y'all don't want a doctor.

I'm guessing the guy poisoning people didn't much want the doctor around...

Golden wrote:Apparently plenty of people had no trouble finding eight letter words, since I would have scored more if you didn't

Right? I think I figured out I had a potential of 141 points. I briefly considered skipping all, or at least some, of the 8 letter words...alas.

I can totally stay up for 15 more minutes. Really I can.

FYI, I'm at a convention starting in the morning (well, really I got here tonight, but the convention doesn't start until tomorrow), so my schedule will not be whatever passes as normal during my usual schedule. In other words, differently wonky. I'll still have time to play--it just might be at different hours than the ones I'm normally on. Just so you all know ahead of time if you notice the schedule change.

Sorsha wrote:

Quin wrote:

Sorsha wrote:

S~V~S wrote:For BTSC I have Opt, can i try for Sorsha again?

And glad to hear everything should be OK, Sorsha.

I'm up for trying with you again tonight as long as you can send my name in again.

Quin are you still interested too?

I've already got Opt and LoRab tonight, hb tomorrow?

Okay.

LoRab do you have a second chatter tonight?

Quin and chuck.

Hey chuck! Wanna chat?

Quin wrote:

LoRab wrote:Can I interest anyone in BTSC?

You sure can. Can I put your name down?

Yah hah. I look forward to chatting.

Can I interest anyone in BTSC?

Golden wrote:Ha! Lorab and I are on the same wavelength!

I don't get to bring out the smokey Dee video nearly often enough these days lol.

Also amused that we both have the same thought and the opposite reaction.

What do we think is in the jungle?

This is what I'm thinking tbh (language warning):

He's on Exile Island. He can't post or BTSC this round.

Oh no sorsha! Sending good thoughts your way!

Golden wrote:

Scotty wrote:"Ahhh I don't need an auction- I just bought a house!" Screamed Golden.

Never a truer word spoken. Just went unconditional.

LoRab, did you put in your btsc PM? I definitely put in for you, but don't have the btsc yet.

Yes, but I forgot to include Marmot on the PM. So it's delayed.

I think we just wait.

Golden wrote:Ooooh it's cause of the FIRST 340 bid, I get it.

Which was still within a minute, according to the time stamps, but whatever. I didn't actually want energy.

Might as well fucking take a nap since I didn't get anything out of this challenge because of my internet not being fast enough.

S~V~S wrote:

Golden wrote:Ooooh it's cause of the FIRST 340 bid, I get it.

thats whay I thought, but again, I would prefer there be no hard feelings.

Not your fault. There are a lot of hard feelings. Not against you.

Thwarted by fucking linkitis.

LoRab wrote:400

No, she didn't.

Scotty wrote:

S~V~S wrote:$340

SOLD TO SVS

You bought a refreshing shower. This will totally refresh you, causing any sickness to go away, making you immune to sickness over the next cycle, and immediately gifting you +3 energy

Why didn't my bid count?

400

250

$60

This sucks when linkitis doesn't pick up posts.

20

Can Golden and I pool money?