The Syndicate

LoRab wrote:
Who ended night early on the night that the prizes were going out for whatever contest that was that only Knuk and Bea that entered (picture or poem or something)? Had that gone longer, we would have gotten rez to win and rezzed MR, a confirmed civ, who would have been on our team because KNuk had found him (after he was dead, lol). But then I didn't think of that or vote until it was too late. Interesting how the game would have played out if that happened.

I did. And it's so ironic that I would have died that night had I not ended it. I had a night stop and a lynch stop. I never had to use the lynch stop though it came close a couple of times. If I hadn't had to worry about myself I would have used it later in the game to stop one of the civ lynches.

As for you Long Con, yes I'm aware that i'm the one who decided you must be indy because you were acting just like you did in king authur. Thanks for bringing that up.

Roxy wrote:

bea wrote:And rox and dp - this game was AMAZING.

Frustrating, interesting, and insane but AMAZING.

I can't give you enough props for how awesome this was. DP you were johnny on the spot with your posts especially when rox was sick. I know how hard that is as a first time host.

I really hope you enjoyed your experience and consider hosting again.

linki - LC got HIS ROLE???!!!! HAHAHA.

^^^^^ This!! I cannot speak highly enough about Das Porcu!!! He is one of my favorite co-hosts evah!!!!!!!!!! <3

More of this ^^^^ DP you and Roxy did a great job of making sure those posts were on time. I am very thankful for just that one thing in addition to the other million things you did.

wow, I will never ever trust Long Con again.

Congrats winners!

Congrats Lorab! You got it right.

Boogs, I would have done the same thing you did.

Great game DP and Roxy! Enjoyed it all!

He does not have bts with me. I don't have any idea how he knows but he know.

Well, he's right - I'm not bad. But I'm not wanting to talk at night anymore in this game. Dana, if you can find something you think I have not explained then please bring it up and I will do so after night ends.

Boogs, I am freaked out by it being night in this game right now so I'm going to reserve my answer/discussion until tomorrow.

Suddenly, I'm reminded of the end of King Arthur when you were trying to help the civs win. Did you mean to prompt that good memory in my brain LC?

Interesting. Long Con do you know why you didn't get lynched?

i cannot change my vote either.

i should have specified Boogs as well. What was in my mind when i wrote that was Dana is the only other one besides Boogs that I trust. And if that's the way you interpreted my post then I must not have made it clear enough. My bad.

I am taking a leap of faith and voting LC.

Bullzeye wrote: Well we know there has been one recruit, why not another? Makes sense in my opinion. Boogs was relatively normal until about halfway through the game. Also, how do you feel about the way JC is talking to you lately about how you both supposedly have info? I thought it was weird to begin with but since you don't seem to know what she's talking about it seems even stranger, like she's trying to somehow get on your good side or something.

Wait, i didn't say I had info. Why are you twisting my words? I believe he is good because he knows I am good - he is sure, he made that clear. I'm also not buddying up to Dana. She's just the only one I trust. Is that trust ill informed?

Dana wrote:

juliets wrote:The thing about recruits is just because one mafia team has one it doesn't mean a second mafia team has one as well. Usually you balance a recruit with stronger powers for the people on the other team because they have one less person. I tend to lean more toward two teams because with 25 people and a ratio of 1/3 mafia that would come out to enough for two teams. Also, in many games if there are two teams and they draw down to like one member of one team and 2 members of the other the hosts will combine them into one team giving them both night kills. There is just so much unknown here I don't know what to think.

Hmm. But two teams and two serial killers too? That kind of seems like a lot. Maybe I'm just trying to be optimisic and hope there's only one team so this will be easier for us.

juliets wrote:Dana, I think we each have one piece of evidence known to us and no one else about Boogs being good. You say you know him to be good which could just be something you say so we will believe with you, and I say he is good because he is 100% right with my alignment which only I know to be true.

Are you saying you know he is good because he is sure that you are good or is there something else that's given you a reason to believe he's good?

No, I know he is good because he knows I am good and I don't think he'd use that as a baddie ploy to get me on his side. Also, when Boogs is good he approaches everything with a great deal of excitement and sometimes that excitement gets the best of him, making him sound like he's confused or doesn't know what he's talking about. I have see that behavior out of him this game and it further convinces me he is good.

juliets wrote:As I think about it though, even though each of our pieces of evidence are unverifiable by anyone else we don't have similar info on any of the other players. This brings me to decide to trust that Boogs is good.

What do you mean by this? As in, how do you know this?

I'm making an assumption that if either of us had any additional information about anyone left alive or anything which would have a bearing on who to vote for we would have voiced it.

juliets wrote:The thing I'm still bothered by is he is saying he "feels" he is 100% sure of LC and Bullz which is different from the way he expressed the 100% certainty about me. There was no "feels" in it. So I'm still going around and around. Are you feeling any more clear on which way to go for a vote? Whichever way we go I think we ought to go that way together, but my feeling at the moment is to just toss a coin in the air. I'm certainly not pressuring you to vote my way because my way is so unclear, but I am interested in what direction you feel you are going in.

That does bother me a little bit too, but I think I may possibly vote for LC today, because I trusted him quite a bit around the time Bea was lynched. Though, of course, I could be wrong, and since we don't know how many baddies are left, this could be our last chance so I want to make sure to get it right.

I don't have a lot of memories of playing with LC but it seems like if he were civ he would be (have been) more forcible with his denials.

The thing about recruits is just because one mafia team has one it doesn't mean a second mafia team has one as well. Usually you balance a recruit with stronger powers for the people on the other team because they have one less person. I tend to lean more toward two teams because with 25 people and a ratio of 1/3 mafia that would come out to enough for two teams. Also, in many games if there are two teams and they draw down to like one member of one team and 2 members of the other the hosts will combine them into one team giving them both night kills. There is just so much unknown here I don't know what to think.

Dana, I think we each have one piece of evidence known to us and no one else about Boogs being good. You say you know him to be good which could just be something you say so we will believe with you, and I say he is good because he is 100% right with my alignment which only I know to be true. As I think about it though, even though each of our pieces of evidence are unverifiable by anyone else we don't have similar info on any of the other players. This brings me to decide to trust that Boogs is good. The thing I'm still bothered by is he is saying he "feels" he is 100% sure of LC and Bullz which is different from the way he expressed the 100% certainty about me. There was no "feels" in it. So I'm still going around and around. Are you feeling any more clear on which way to go for a vote? Whichever way we go I think we ought to go that way together, but my feeling at the moment is to just toss a coin in the air. I'm certainly not pressuring you to vote my way because my way is so unclear, but I am interested in what direction you feel you are going in.

Dana wrote:

juliets wrote:Bullz are you around today? Do you have any opinions based on what we've got re: who you might vote today?

Bullz has already voted for Boogs, and Boogs has already voted for LC.

Jeez you would think I would look at the board occasionally.

Bullz are you around today? Do you have any opinions based on what we've got re: who you might vote today?

Canuck I'm so sorry that you are having troubles and really appreciate your finishing this game out with us. I hope things get better if not quickly then at least progressively. The only question I have for you - and no worries if you cannot answer it - is who you think is bad at this point. We are down to the wire and it is very hard to see clearly. If you haven't read enough to say then like i said, no problem, I'm just taking a chance that you might have an opinion.

LC, forgive me if you just said this and I already forgot (my head is truly spinning) but do you have any specific reasons for believing Lorab or Canuck or both are bad? You asked people to give you a chance by lynching one of them first but I don't know which one I would vote for or why.

ok, thanks boogs.

I don't know what to do either. i know he is right about me and he said that was 100%. I'm looking for him to be able to say he's 100% about LC. If he's not 100%, like he's not 100% about Bullz, I just don't know what I will do. My suspish-o-meter is just spinning around faster and faster.

Boogs, do you know LC is bad or do you think he is bad? Could LC be right and it's really Lorab or Canuck or both who are bad?

I'm bad with working out the math in my head when it gets to endgame but I think you're right dana. So if there were 4 baddies left, that would only leave 3 civs and I guess the game would be over - if i'm thinking about that right. Ok, I feel a little better. We have to nail this though and I am nervous.

Long Con wrote:

juliets wrote:That is not what I was wanting to hear but thanks for your insight.

What did you want to hear?

I wanted to hear that there were probably only 2-3 baddies left. I'm just disheartened. Ignore me.

That is not what I was wanting to hear but thanks for your insight.

LC, according to your math how many baddies and how many civvies do you think are left? This is not a trick question to trap you or anything I just want to have a better feel for where we are.

Ok, yes I understand.

Dana, can I ask you what makes me one of the likely people to get your vote?

i was silenced and couldn't vote that day so I can't picture the poll in my mind. We can probably figure it out by going back toward the end and see what people said in their posts.

oh i guess you didn't need Roxy's vote.

I voted mac and cheese. I think Roxy did too.

I have been in plenty of games where baddies have targeted themselves, many times they will silence themselves or someone on their team or insanify themsleves or someone on their team, or protect themselves, etc. I've even seen a baddie with a protect target themselves for a kill for reasons I can't remember. So yes, it does happen. Some roles or hosts may not allow for it though.

Roxy wrote:

juliets wrote:I would feel better if the hosts told us it was just jibber jabber so until then I don't totally want to forget it. Did she argue for people to vote boogs? I'll have to take another look at her posts and see. I feel like I've forgotten the whole game.

I am not sure on boogs. He correctly identified me as civ so he's got that going for him but we don't know about the bullz situation. And he was definitely wrong about bea, though a lot of us were. I will say his posts are a little on the crazy edge but I see more of that from him when he is civ.

It was indeed jibber-jabber

Thanks Roxy for clearing that up!

I would feel better if the hosts told us it was just jibber jabber so until then I don't totally want to forget it. Did she argue for people to vote boogs? I'll have to take another look at her posts and see. I feel like I've forgotten the whole game.

I am not sure on boogs. He correctly identified me as civ so he's got that going for him but we don't know about the bullz situation. And he was definitely wrong about bea, though a lot of us were. I will say his posts are a little on the crazy edge but I see more of that from him when he is civ.

Dana wrote:Hmm, thanks Juliets. It makes me feel a bit better to know that's something she usually says/does. Bea's most recent post is really making me rethink Boogs, though. She has no reason to lie if she's dead, right? I trust Boogs the most right now because I know he started the game out good, but that doesn't mean that he still is.

Well, she can't post on topic if she's dead (a big mafia no-no) so that makes me a little leery of her post meaning anything suspicious. I believe bea was the one who did that once (posted on topic when she was dead) and there was a big hullabaloo, I'm just finding it hard to believe she would do it again. Stranger things have happened though and you could be right.

Dana, one thing I wanted to let you know about Lorab is she always uses the twirly emoticon and says "I have nothing to hide" or "eye me all you want" or both. She does it regardless of whether she's bad or civ as far as I've noticed. Just wanted you to know because those of us that play with her all the time know (someone correct me if you feel I'm wrong).

I think you're pulling together the bea-lorab connection is very interesting. I know I had similar thoughts as bea about a case but it sounds more sinister knowing that bea who was bad asked for one. It may have just been a way of protecting them. I will re-read and think about your points as I do so Dana.

Well, I've been silenced an couldn't vote. I made a mistake after the last lynch and posted something but haven't posted since. I'm so glad you guys got a baddie! And it was bea! RIP bea, but BIH to your character. And wow was it quiet in here.

Yay I'm so glad we had another "free" night!

HAHAHAHA - I meant to post that in the Who game!!! Ignore everyone.

I think I may have to retract my statement about not voting for zeek, enrique or mp. I am piecing together Epigs suspicion of Enrique and it holds more water than I thought. Epi you could make this easier by just listing the reasons you voted for him. Just a few key words even.

bea wrote:Speaking of old mafia things I adored, I really wished I'd saved that video of LC singing Brittney Spears for the contest in Dom's Glee game. That was some srrs gold right there.

I heard LP is back so maybe you can find that game in past games and find the video. It was the highlight of any mafia game I've ever played (well except for ambray/sofi outing her whole team by mistake in that game on rev).

Dana wrote:Was their hairstyle really that similar?

Yes, I'm hoping the hosts or someone is going to post pictures so you can see, otherwise I would just tell you.

linkitis

I guess I'm going to have to start voting for people I think are good too because this just didn't get it. I'm sorry hedge and RIP.

Boogs the night poll was about who looked best in the same hairstyle, Long Rock or Lorab. It's just the night poll it won't give anyone an advantage. Maybe you haven't seen pictures of them with the same hairstyle? I don't think it will give them anything, that really wouldnt be fair to the rest of us.

Ok, I'm going to go ahead and vote hedgeowl. I don't think anything is really going to happen in the last 30 minutes to change my mind. Oh, and we can change our votes here right? so I can always change if need be. (I'm playing 3 games now and starting to get some things confused.)

*voting Hedge*

Snipped your quote LC -

Long Con wrote: In a manner of speaking, that's what I'm doing with Canuck and LoRab. I have trusted them all game, and we've lynched Civ after Civ. It was time to flip things up a bit, so I looked at them from a different angle. I don't think they would trust me exactly as much as they have, with even a little doubt and suspicion sprinkled in just right, unless it served their purposes as baddies to keep me under wraps. They don't want me coming after them, they want me to trust and agree with them.

This conclusion would not have happened any time earlier in the game, it's just because we are getting so low on players and shit is completely dire at this point. It's them. And Hedge. That's what I think, AND that's what my gut tells me as well. Those two don't always agree, my head and gut.

For now, I'm thinking i will stick with Hedge. I'll wait a little bit longer to vote just in case something happens.

Dana wrote:Okay, this might be a terrible idea, but I think I'm going to vote Bea for the only reason that I trust her the most. Possibly a really stupid strategy, but the way things have been going, maybe we need to flip things upside-down to try and find a baddie. I do not encourage anyone to vote with me, I don't even think Bea is bad! But I really don't see anyone as extremely suspicious right now. Bullz is maybe half suspicious to me right now, but he's quieted down a bit so I'm not too sure. I would consider a vote for LoRab if there's some evidence, and maybe even LC for trying to sway the votes a bit, but I don't feel too strongly about either of them. I'll hold off voting for another hour or two, but I have a meeting during the lynch so I probably won't be able to change last second if more information comes to light.

What do the rest of you think? Is it a really bad tactic to vote for who you trust the most?

Dana, I've never known anyone in mafia whose told me they are doing this so it makes it hard to respond. I know what you mean because I feel it too, I keep evaluating people wrong and voting for civs so it makes me think some of the people I think are good are really bad. But I wouldn't vote for anyone I didn't mind seeing lynched unless I'm sending a "message" vote" ("I've got my eye on you") to someone. I don't want to tell you what to do but that's the way I think about it.

I snipped quite a bit off this post because it was only the end that is relevant:

bea wrote:
I can look at a case against lorab or canuck or anyone else, but I need a case you know? not just "they kissed up to me."

I'm pretty sure I'm the last lone civ at this point. I think all you lot could be bad.

First, I agree 100% with you bea - i need a case on lorab or canuck to even consider them because I haven't seen anything they said as suspicious and I'm not getting a baddie vibe. They still have ?'s by their names because I can't say that they are surely good either. I am open to looking at them but I need something to look at.

And no bea, you are not the only civ left! (If you're a civ - I have a question about everyone in here but me.)

LC, does this mean you think Boogs is civ?

I don't understand the civ teams thought either. I'm civ and if I'm on a civ team nobody told me about it. Boogs, are you on a civ team?