The Syndicate

oh yes I forgot to congratulate BR, unfurl, llama, bullz, SVS, daisy, russti and hedge for doing such a great job of keeping yourselves out of trouble, not making any mistakes. Whoever it was that commented on looking at BR because she said she was looking for LC in one of the cities was right on target. You guys did a great job and yay for your win!

thellama73 wrote:

timmer wrote:Sometimes, info roles have to push cases that are otherwise weak, and hope others glom on, and that's what happened to you. It sucks, but it beats the other option which would have been llama saying "wink wink guys, just trust me, LC is bad, I KNOW it, wink wink". imo, llama did it all correctly

Thank you, Timmer.This is why I generally dislike info roles. When you know someone is bad and have to kill them to win the game, it's really hard to discipline yourself not to just say so. I really tried to be as convincing as possible, but I still felt bad because I knew my case was weak and disingenuous.

llama, this is why i voted Kyle. We had you figured out as the PI, and voted with you on LC so even though there wasn't great evidence for Kyle I thought for sure you had checked him and he was bad. That was probably after you got recruited. After kyle didn't pan out I thought you maybe weren't the PI.

timmer wrote:@juliets, SD wasn't recruited until Day 5! We were wrong about her, too!!!

Oh no! That didnt register when i saw the recruit selection order. Oh well...

timmer you used good logic and thats all anyone can ask for. It's easy to miss something like LC having stayed in his location because of serious injury.

I liked the role of marla and tried so hard when I just had one message a night to Kate in the beginning. I used that one message to send her complete reports, even quoting some dialogue but certainly capturing everything that happened, about all 4 cities including who was in them on whatever day i was capturing, who fought from there , who won and who got hurt, seriously hurt, etc., in addition to the dialogue. I spent countless hours on this - and then found out my "narrator" had basically not been playing! (No offense to Kate she's got a lot of things that can get in the way of mafia). Luckily I got timmer as a narrator but he didn't have time really to read all the back notes and then many things came out in the open. Oddly, I don't even mind as I saw doing all that as just a part of the role. I loved all the comments directed to marla while I was lurking. You just didnt know I couldnt talk.

timmer was great at the decodings and we knew a lot of stuff that we tried to use. We caught on to spacedaisy as the game was ending because she had stayed in one place days 2-5 (day 5 picked on night 4) and we knew from the missions they had to stay in one place for 4 nights. Unfortunantly, that also told us she was not tyler. I thought timmer gave the best guess he could give. If i had been there I probably would have wanted to guess unfurl since she always appears so sweet and has theories.

Thanks MP for the very intriguing and fun game. I think I agree with you that maybe instead of modkilling the player should have received one vote and progressed on from there for missing a vote or not participating. Roxy wouldnt have been modkilled under those parameters I don't think. Don't know about the others. But all in all it was a great game and I enjoyed it very much. You can tell a lot of work went into it.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I'm at a loss at what we're supposed to talk about since we are voting for numbers today, and I guess the numbers could be any one of us. I guess I'll use the time to read over some players.

I don't think the numbers correspond to players, since there are more than ten of us. There have, however, been ten day periods so far.

ohhh I missed that llama. I feel much better now.

I'm at a loss at what we're supposed to talk about since we are voting for numbers today, and I guess the numbers could be any one of us. I guess I'll use the time to read over some players.

I'll go with 6.

damn, I thought I had good reason to vote kyle so I'm really disappointed that I got an unrecruited civ instead. RIP Kyle, I made a mistake and I'm sorry. This game is so hard.

So who wants to fight tonight? Is there anyone who didn't win their first fight who wants to volunteer for this one?

well, i can't wait any longer so I'm going to go ahead and vote kyle

I have thought about both Russti and Kyle and Long Con's case, plus the fact that Kyle was with DH day 1, plus the fact that when I read Kyle's posts as a whole they sound somewhat disingenuous (especially the post where he outlined the game and then asked if that was correct, made me think he wanted us to think he was a little slow on the uptake) leads me to vote for Kyle. Kyle hasn't responded to llama's case which bothers me a little but he could be avoiding it (he's not one of the ones who's out of town is he?) So, I hope I'm right -

I'll hold off another few minutes hoping Kyle checks in.

Since we're giving our whereabouts this weekend, in exactly 40 minutes i will be going to get my hair done which will take a couple of hours and then tonight i'm going to YAY THE FIRST HOME GAME OF THE SEASON! I will be in and out around those things, probably spending time re-reading timmers points. Some I already agree with like Keterman. And Hedgie. The only thing is just because someone wasn't recruited before doesn't mean they aren't recruited now which scares me.

RIP bea another unrecruited civ down.

I'm going to vote for timmer now and wait to vote on the other person. I hadn't thought of the idea of having one good and one bad fight, but i don't have a clue who is bad right now. SVS you don't sound thrilled about fighting so I don't want to vote for you at this time. I'll wait for someone else to volunteer.

Do we want to talk about who wants to fight and who out of those we want to vote for? I would prefer to vote for anyone who lost a fight the first time and wants to fight during this next day. Or if there is anyone that wants to fight that hasn't. Otherwise, I will vote for people that i lean civ on who want to fight. Who is out there who wants to fight and can you give your fight history when you volunteer? That will help me (and maybe others) a lot. (timmer, I know you have volunteered, what's your fight history?)

Oh. My. God. All those unrecruited civs - gone. Why didn't you guys post??

Well at least we got a recruit this round! RIP LC, BIH to your role. Hope everything goes well with the catering event.

Now hopefully we have more data to find our next recruit.

I was hoping I had given Keterman enough time to answer but I must not have so i could see the other side of the story. So I have finally decided to vote Long Con for this lynch. I think if he is not Tyler he makes an excellent Tyler recruit - smart as a whip, excellent player, able to talk himself out of anything usually (at least thats my opinion). Also, I've been thinking a lot about his Unified Theory that I thought was excellent. The thing that bothers me though, and I just realized this, is it is so detailed it rings of having some truth to it. And if it is true, how would he know so much about it? (Just as a note, I'm actually not voting him over the truncated post). Anyway, I have wrestled with this decision and I'm going to be terribly sorry if it's wrong but I think he's the closest suspicion I have today so I'm

voting LC

Keterman wrote: And now Long Con, on death row practically confirmed town, points the finger at you, making a good point that a townie has been lynched because of your theory and that outside of that theory you have been completely lacking in scumhunting, and you respond to that with "well that has nothing to do with my alignment", when it has everything to do with your alignment.

i just took this one part of your post because i have a question about the highlighted sentence fragment. How is he practically confirmed town? I totally missed this in my reading. What makes you say this?

Very interesting LC. I see you took part of my vote post but didn't bother to take the whole thing because well, it looks stupider the way you chose to represent it. There is no context or comment. I wonder how many of the other vote posts you cut off part of the reason. Would a civ do that? Or an unrecruited policeman? I don't know, I'll sleep on it. And just for the record, here is the entire part of the post that had to do with my vote:


I do not have strong feelings about anyone this lynch. It just feels like an impossible task to me to find Tyler right now. There are some things I need to read through again I just dont have time before this lynch. Boogs already has votes calling him out for not being present in the game and I'm going to vote for Mr. Rearranger to prompt him to come out of the shadows and discuss or theorize or do anything frankly. I don't understand the change in him from the first part of the game to the second. I thought about voting Lea but I'm not quite ready to commit to her.

So Mr. R, where have you gone and would you please come back to the game?

votes Mr. R

Just a quick note, I will not be in the thread today because we are driving home from visiting family and that's an all day affair. I will have to catch up tonight when we get in so I'll be more prepared for a Wed. morning vote.

Unfurl, in regards to your question about boogs. In the games I remember him in he was active which is why I brought it up earlier when he only had 1 post in this entire thread. Now he has two I guess. I haven't played with him all that much lately though (that i can remember) so maybe he has become like this. Anyone whose played with him lately, is this normal for him these days?

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I will also vote for Keterman and MR R. tonight.

llama, you quoted me here with no comment. Is there something you meant to say or was this just a mistake?

I was on my phone with bad internet and needed to vote. Since I don't like to vote without posting, I just quoted you to show I was voting the same way, since it was easier than trying to type. I am back to a real computer now though.

Yes, with LC's help I figured that out - that you had just used my statement to reflect your actions. No problem whatsoever, I should have figured that out on my own.

Thats so funny you say that BR because I was just sitting here thinking "now how did Dom get lynched?" I too need to go back into that last lynch - I had to skim some parts and I think I must have missed the factor that made him suspicious, or it just didn't really stick with me.

On the fighting theories, I really like LC's. There's some player contribution and some randomness which to me helps explain why some people seem to know why the won or lost and others don't know, and then others say they know part of the reason or are not really sure if they know the reason. This doesn't seem to be one of those instances where someone is fudging the truth because there are too many people with conflicting thoughts about seemingly the same event.

With that said, I haven't yet fully assimilated the theory and can't decide how it's going to help us find Tyler. Maybe it just helps us rule out other theories like that maybe Canuck and unfurl are bad because they killed people. That's a theory i can't buy into because it would too easily point out who was bad and I don't think MP would choose to shine the spotlight on the baddies.

So good work LC, if you're theory is not true it at least sounds plausible and I'm buying it for the moment.

Wait what? Some people know how they won or how they lost. Other players do not know how they won or lost. It seems to me MP would want to make it a universal experience, unless someone not getting a pm accounts for them not knowing. I'm just having a hard time believing that some know and some don't. Have I misread what people are talking about?

Long Con wrote:Llama was just saying what you were saying, Jules!

Thanks LC! Now it makes sense. I need more coffee.

thellama73 wrote:

juliets wrote:I will also vote for Keterman and MR R. tonight.

llama, you quoted me here with no comment. Is there something you meant to say or was this just a mistake?

I will also vote for Keterman and MR R. tonight.

RIP Dom and RIP Elochin. Two more unrecruited civs that more and more we can't afford to lose.

LC, I think you make a good point here. One of the tough parts about this game is when we have a situation like this it is almost impossible to tell whether there was a save for a policeman or a recruit/tyler. And of course it could be that it's not a save at all and the person is an unrecruited civ, but I do think it at least looks like a save. I just don't know what to do with it - suspect Boogs or not. I will look over his posts, most all of which are in the city threads (by the way, is anyone able to click on the number of responses for a city thread and bring up who has posted?) I also need to review llama but that will be much more time consuming. I will be in and out "today" as I am visiting family.

Long Con wrote:Ok, so after BWT and Dom had two votes each, Llama received three later votes to put him in the lead. Boogs was voter 21, voting directly after the 20th vote which was Llamas third. Long story short, Boogs may have intentionally saved Llama's life. Could be cops together, could be Project Mayhem together... Could mean the same thing for all we know.

Definitely looked like a save though.

SVS, I could be totally off about bullz - like I was before - but I found his defenses to be genuine and at this point, I don't believe he's bad. Note that I started out with Bullz as my top suspect. With that said, I know he has fooled me in the past so I have to kinda of keep one eye open.

I do not have strong feelings about anyone this lynch. It just feels like an impossible task to me to find Tyler right now. There are some things I need to read through again I just dont have time before this lynch. Boogs already has votes calling him out for not being present in the game and I'm going to vote for Mr. Rearranger to prompt him to come out of the shadows and discuss or theorize or do anything frankly. I don't understand the change in him from the first part of the game to the second. I thought about voting Lea but I'm not quite ready to commit to her.

So Mr. R, where have you gone and would you please come back to the game?

votes Mr. R

bea wrote:

juliets wrote:i just looked at the post count because I could not remember if metalmarsh had said anything and discovered boogs has only posted once in this thread. Boogs, where are you? Why are you not joining in discussions? You are not normally quiet. There are several others who are not joining us too - DP 2.0 for one. Take a look at the list yourselves and see who we need to encourage.

I would add MR to the list JC. He was injured and not able to post/vote for the first cycle that we were all merged (Sorry MR. I didn't know my pillow was that effective. ) but I don't think he's posted once since that restriction was lifted.

linki - I guess rusti beat me to it.

yes, you're right, where are you Mr. R? We need your insights.

I have no idea who I'm voting today. I made such a mistake with blooper it's got me kind of skittish, especially since it was first posted that she was an unrecruited cop. I wanted to die. I'm traveling in the car all day tomorrow (Friday) and try to think through some of these options. I may be online late tomorrow night but then again it may not be until saturday morning.

i just looked at the post count because I could not remember if metalmarsh had said anything and discovered boogs has only posted once in this thread. Boogs, where are you? Why are you not joining in discussions? You are not normally quiet. There are several others who are not joining us too - DP 2.0 for one. Take a look at the list yourselves and see who we need to encourage.

Disgruntled Porcupine any thoughts to share with us?

Lea, there is no bandwagon. At this point there is SVS saying she is suspicious of you and me saying there was a conversation with you and DH that I thought was odd and I will probably take a look at your posts. You sound more defensive than this amount of activity calls for. Is there something I'm missing?

Thanks!

Also, while I'm thinking about it, thanks LC for the explanation as to why you've been so quiet. I had forgotten about the day and night you were silenced and didn't realize 'at the cottage' meant you weren't able to communicate regularly. I appreciate the explanation. I hope we get to hear from you more in the coming days.

elochin gets my vote as well

unfurl wrote:Juliets
Do you want to fight? I voted for you previous night, and I will vote for you again, if you want to

unfurl, I really don't want to fight. I know i haven't fought and that may lead some people to vote for me but I would really rather not. I will likely vote elochin since she hasnt fought and wants to fight and since we only have one vote this time that will be my only choice.

oh no! That couldnt be worse! I feel awful.

I forgot to vote but did just now. SVS, I forgot to go back and look at Lea and I should have. I agree that interaction with DH was odd.

imo, the case against Blooper is more persuasive than the other cases I've seen and she fits one of my criteria - she voted for Vomps and though she wasnt with DH day 1 she was on Day 2 and i dont rule out the possibility thats when he was recruited (night 2).

I hope my mentioning LC and my being unnerved will bring him out of the background and into some of the discussions or at least get him to voice opinions about others.

vote blooper

I have three thoughts this morning about my vote. First, I do not understand the Vomps votes so I might vote for someone who voted for him. Second, I may vote someone who was with DH on day 1. And third, I"m becoming increasingly concerned about LC. He has been extra quiet this whole game and I'm not used to seeing him quiet. It's not just that he's quiet, it's that he's quiet in comparison to his usual self.

I'm worried about people not voting because at this point most people are at work or school and may not get an opportunity.

MP, I am fine with any time except those later at night, 10:00 ish, time frames.

Unfurl, I think I do understand your theory better than I did before. Thanks for trying again on the explanation.

BR and Elochin, this is completely unrelated but one of the things I wanted to ask you today (and forgot until now) is why you voted for boogs to fight. He had already fought once and won and I thought the idea was we were trying to give people who hadn't fought the opportunity so we would have everyone leveled up. I'm just curious about your reasoning on that vote.

ok, i just wanted to make sure you saw it.

Sorsha, timmer did come back and say he was not going to vote Vompatti because of some other reasoning. It's on the tip of my brain but i cant remember what he said, just thought you might want to take a look at it before you vote.

At this point, since i ascribe to the theory that DH was recruited early and that tyler was in the thread, I'll probably vote one of the people in the thread with DH day 1. I'm not married to this way of finding somebody to vote for so if someone has a better idea I'm all ears. I'm not understanding the chicago element that unfurl is passionate about, I just can't think of a reason they would both go to chicago. Seems like, as someone else said, they would want to spread out. Also possible is I don't understand the point unfurl is making. I've found her to be very insightful in games where she is civ, even if she does call her theories paranoic .

Thanks keterman. I will take a look at what you are referencing.

Keterman wrote:I'm going to vote for birdwithteeth11. The vibes he gave me earlier were abysmal.

Keterman is there anything specific you can add to this? What gave you the abysmal vibes?

unfurl, in your theory why would it be so important for tyler and dh to travel to chicago - or anywhere else - together? I'm probably missing a point in the theory.

Sorsha wrote:

juliets wrote:RIP INH, the way i read an unrecruited police death by Mayhem is that one of the police has been recruited and knew who to target. Though why they didnt just recruit him instead I don't know.

I got the impression from MPs post at the start of the combined thread (day 5) that recruiting for project mayhem was over?

MovingPictures07 wrote:
It is now Day 5. The game has entered its true phase. All roles have been updated appropriately.

All unrecruited Civilians are no longer independent. They are aligned with "Narrator" and must need Tyler Durden dead to win.

That's how I interpreted this anyway.

MP-Can Tyler still recruit players to Project Mayhem?

Sorsha, I looked at that same thing and the first thought that occurred to me was that the recruiting was done. But then I thought about this: there were 38 players that began this game. With 38 players you would normally see two mafia teams of 3 with the ability to recruit 1 or 2 teams of 4 and/or a SK. Assuming Tyler started recruiting night 1, he would have had 4+1(Tyler)=5 recruits at the time MP posted that message. That would make 5 baddies. I just don't think 5 baddies are enough in a 38 player game which is what led me to believe he is still able to recruit. Maybe there is some other mechanic at work here and I just don't see the full picture but for now I can't understand how MP would leave the baddies with only 5 (assuming of course DH hadn't died).

I have no idea who I'm going to vote for tomorrow but looking at those lists seems like a good way to me to find a baddie.