The Syndicate

You are so wrong Epi!

Russti, will the banners be in this thread?

Russti I hope you will post more behind the scenes stuff like you did for day 1. Just one day at a time would be fine.

Kylemii wrote:Juliets I have to ask.... The night I was lynched how many votes did you buy in order to ensure your survival? :0

Kyle, I thought for sure Epi had more than three votes so I purchased 5. Did you purchase votes as well that night?

I neglected to also congratulate Lizzy who did an awesome job of being Smaug before I got the role.

OH MY GOD I cant believe I won! This is the first time I've had the SK role that I can remember. My plan was to kill in no order that made any sense - basically random killing. It did matter when we got down to the end though especially the last kill. Epig, I tried to second guess you and guessed that you were likely to have a night save so I killed Snowy last. Snowy, are you really upset that I killed you? I hope not and I sure hope you play mafia again. I wasn't unkillable by the way - i was protected some nights and I was protected some lynches but not all of them. I decided to use my money on votes but only when I thought i needed to which wasn't until toward the end.

Russti i told you before we knew how this would turn out that I loved your game and it didn't matter who won I had a lot of fun with my role. Epig, Snowy, Kyle I just didnt know how that would turn out at the end, you were great foes. Ok family time now, I cant wait to see Russti's game breakdown.

Thank you everyone for the congrats!

Just fyi, I am traveling tomorrow so if night does end early, and I'm still alive, i won't be around until late (after eight).

You should have voted with me. I knew it had to be Kyle.

Ok, i'm going to go ahead and vote for Kyle.

Yes Snow Dog I survived a NK, and there is more than one way to do that, and I survived explosives but not a lynch. I'm telling you I am not Smaug! I don't know what else I can say about it.

Snow Dog wrote: I think fingers was Beorn. You are almost certainly Smaug. Kyle is the Goblin and Epi is a dwarf....or vice versa..I am a mystery!!!!

I don't know where you are getting I am almost certainly Smaug. I am not!

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:What? You believe that I am Smaug? Where did you get that idea - I am not Smaug.

And how did Kylemi suddenly become a goblin? I have the same question as he does - what thought process leads you to believe he is a baddie?

I'm off to watch the USA, I believe that we will win.

Who do you think is Smaug and the goblin?

Well, I actually thought fingersplints was Misty Mountain Goblin but if she was she wasn't the last of them. This forces me to consider Kyle to be the Misty Mountain Goblin even though I didn't understand where the suspicion came from, and you Snow Dog to be Smaug. There is a possibility I've got those reversed but I don't think so. There is no one else it could be unless Epig has played the best baddie game ever and I think he was targeted by all three entities. So, I don't think he is either.

What? You believe that I am Smaug? Where did you get that idea - I am not Smaug.

And how did Kylemi suddenly become a goblin? I have the same question as he does - what thought process leads you to believe he is a baddie?

I'm off to watch the USA, I believe that we will win.

Yay we got another one though RIP SDaisy and Bullz. Maybe i should vote with my gut all the time.

I'm going to vote for 24 hour days since we are not talking much on the first 24 anyway.

Snow Dog, Kitty is k4j.

Epi is right. He can be wrong and i have to remember that. My gut is telling me you're genuine Bullz and today I'm going to go with my gut and give you the botd. You've done a good job of defense since I last voted for you. That leaves me with one of the people I'm unsure of so I'm making a gut vote for metalmarsh.

I think i will approach this lynch from the elimination perspective too.

Epig - I would be shocked if he were not good.

BWT - I'm seeing him as probably good.

Kyle - I'm becoming more and more convinced he is good.

Splints - I'm not sure about her but she is insanified today so I'm not voting her.

Bullz - Epig seems sure he is Smaug and his insights have been amazingly good but Bullz sounds so genuine. I may give him the botd.

Everyone else I'm unsure about so it's either one of them or Bullz.

Snow Dog wrote:I might believe you Bullz. It certainly is not definite I will vote for you.

I am thinking the same thing Bullz. Your posts are seeming genuine. The strongest thing working against you is that Epig is sure you are bad and you have to admit he has been on point this game. I'm looking at alternatives and I can't promise i wont vote for you but at least I'm looking around. If you don't have to vote to save yourself who will you vote for today?

Snow Dog wrote:

juliets wrote:Snow Dog, though the question I quoted was about a lynch you corrected that later to NK. That's the question I'm answering - I do know why I survived a NK. I wasn't lynched.

Yes I understood. Did you survive due to a purchase or are you Smaug?

I missed this. I am not Smaug.

YAYAYAYAYAY NETHERLANDS!

Oh I see, I misread her question.

Snow Dog, though the question I quoted was about a lynch you corrected that later to NK. That's the question I'm answering - I do know why I survived a NK. I wasn't lynched.

Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Yes I do.

Spacedaisy wrote:Frankly, I am surprised k4j was killed by Smaug. I kind of had him on my list of possible Smaug suspects...

Epi, why do you not think Bullz is a wood elf now? He was pretty protective of Boogs, wasn't he? I would say between Juliets and Bullz one of the two is probably Smaug given their lynch survivals.

Spacedaicy, i did not survive a lynch - i survived a NK.
Where is Epi saying Bullz is a wood elf?

I'm going to go ahead and vote the front too.

Well damn. RIP llama. Epi was right.

I considered voting for myself but i think that's the same as voting for Bullz. I don't want to vote llama until I hear epig out about why he says don't vote him. I can see how Bullz could be bad I'm just not entirely convinced. I don't have anyone else in mind however that I'm any more convinced about so I've got to go with what I've got - vote Bullz. I'm sorry Bullz if you're good.

I'm sorry Epig - of course you did - I even saw it and wondered why you voted early. So never mind, my head is just swirling.

ok epig i see your message. who have you decided to vote today? I'm assuming either splints or Bullz. Anything you can provide on why you think he's smaug?

fingersplints wrote:juliets what are your thoughts on SD?

She is making me uneasy with her quiet but I also keep think rl is probably rough right now.

Snow Dog who are you going to vote for?

Snow Dog, i am having a hard time with who to vote. I'm not voting splints because I can't see in her posts or votes or anywhere that she is the mayor and even if she was I don't see the link to Bullz. Plus, i don't know where the "Bullz is Smaug" is coming from. Bullz being a baddie seems slightly more likely so I might vote there. Also though, k4j has brought up a thought provoking post about llama perhaps being bad. I had briefly considered that for the reason k4j points out - that llama seemed to want us to turn away from TH 2.0 for a reason that sounded off to me. So I might vote there as well. I haven't got much time left to decide but that's who I'm considering.

I've re-read Bullz and I can't find anything that leads me to believe he is Smaug. Epig, I know it's hard for you to communicate but if you could possibly give us some guidance on what you found that led you to this belief I would be appreciative. Maybe its too complicated for you to try and do that and if that's the case I understand.

As to llama's thoughts that Bullz is a Goblin i can at least see the argument here, the votes and the strong defense of boogs if that defense took place after the other Moria's had died. I did not check that out so I still need to do that. I don't see the evidence as overwhelming, as Bullz pointed out many other people voted like him on Mongoose and INH and maybe others (I need to look at that). Those two I remember off the top of my head. So at this point I'm still exploring. Llama if there is anything you think i have missed or that I am not seeing as strong evidence then please speak up. Bullz, you worry me because of how bad you fooled me in LOST - you were brilliant but it's left me with an uneasy feeling about you. If there is anything else you think I am overlooking please speak up.

I have not read splints yet. I first need to look at Epig's posts. Seems like he said something before he was insanified about her being the mayor but i could just be confused on that point.

Snow, I have not been robbed recently either.

Sorry splints, I watched soccer today, then worked out, then fixed dinner and all of a sudden it's now. I have only been quiet because I haven't yet re-read Bullz or you in light of what Epig and llama are saying. So me being quiet is just because I don't yet have anything to say. I'm not going to blindly follow Epig and llama - I need to see something for myself.

RIP Blooper and that's a pretty monster you've posted there.

Epig, I'm glad you didn't die and now it looks like you are saying the mayor is splints and Bullz is Smaug, or maybe its the opposite. I'm not sure what the ? mean though. I know it's hard for you to give reasons why you think this but I think you may have hit on some of it in your posts which I'm sure several of us will go back and read. You're communicating well even through that curse so I hope you will continue.

Also, I will be out of the thread from about 15 minutes from now until later this afternoon, hopefully before the post.

I've reconsidered my voting strategy and I think the safest thing for me to do is vote myself. I don't know who is bad and who is good so I think it's best for me to vote someone I know is good.

Kylemii wrote:i don't really feel like voting for anyone who's volunteering to go in, does anyone specifically not want to go into the cave?

Kyle, I'm not sure i understand the logic here. Are you saying you would vote for someone who does not want to go into the caves? If so, nobody who doesn't want to go would tell you that they didn't. Maybe I've misinterpreted what you are doing so feel free to straighten me out.

ok I think I read everything I missed. Quite a lot of discussion about INH and much of it persuasive. I might have voted him as well if I had heard the arguments.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I can't believe I didn't notice that before. Dom wasn't around on Night 4, hence no kill from the Moria Goblins. And no one killed on Night 6.

But Epi, that doesn't mean your theory about Kyle is completely hosed.

MM this is an interesting comment. Do you see a way Kyle can be a Misty Mountain Goblin or Smaug? Now that we know he was not the last Moria I don't see much else to base a suspicion on but if you see something I'd like to know what.

As to who to send in, I'm probably just going to vote for someone that wants it which looks like llama right now. I'll hold off voting though in case some other people want to declare their interest. I don't see any way for us to know whether the result will be good or bad so I'd rather give it to someone who wants it and I feel ok about.

I just got home and see the results but haven't read the lynch conversation from today. Wow - looks like i missed a lot since INH wasn't even in the conversation when I last read the thread. I see llama brought up Dom for missing 4 votes ( and maybe the night pms is I think what you were implying) and it turned out he was bad (though I'm not grasping yet how he died) so good for you llama RIP INH, I didn't suspect you but i can't say I was ready to call you civ. Sorry you were deaded though. I'll be interested in what the arguments were for your baddiness.

I have an appointment at noon tomorrow that will take a while so I'm not quite sure when I'll have a chance to read and react to the pre-lynch discussion but I will at least be ready by the start of day if not during the night (mafia day and night).

Oh and RIP Dom sorry you are out of the game but BIH to the goblin you are.

i have to go ahead and vote and I have not studied the nuances of the posts back and forth between k4j and Epig, nor did i have time to read back on k4j like i had planned. I see there is some movement in his direction and it very well could be the right way to go I just haven't done due diligence.

I did however have time to look back at Kyle and I don't really see anything he has posted. I understand that he just replaced in but i would at least be asking questions based on the nice summary llama provided. Most of all though is the point Epig made about him replacing in for someone who is known not to send in pms (A Person) and then a Moria kill shows up immediately. Finally, I saw Kyle here today but he didn't respond at all to the points made about him, something I would expect from a baddie. At the very least wouldn't you as a civ come into the thread and ask for people to give you a chance since you just got here? So I'm voting tonight for Kyle. This is the best I could do voting early and i apologize to Kyle if some things get explored in the thread tomorrow that makes it clear you're not bad. As I said earlier, I won't be in the thread again before the lynch because I'll be driving home tomorrow.

Thanks for your thoughts splints. I'm most likely going to give k4j the botd today because time is slipping away and I haven't had time yet to re-read him.

It looks like i will have to vote tonight because i will be traveling tomorrow. Epig has presented some good cases but i have lots of re-reading to do. If anyone wants to discuss please jump in. What does everyone think of Epig's case on Kyle? I don't think he has responded unless I missed it. I think it's a pretty decent case for Kyle being the last Moria. I'm pretty sure Epig is right about missing night PMs, I seem to remember that when I hosted. Also the computer issue makes the theory even more believable imo. Anyone else with thoughts on this?

I thought Epig's case on k4j was also good. k4j has at least been responding and I need to go back over his responses to see how much of Epg's case they refute. I did read through them but did not consider them on a point by point basis. I think llama put in his 2 cents on this case - how about anyone else? Does is seem plausible or likely to be true to you?

I know the WC is on and I'm watching it too but if anyone wants to discuss while watching I'm here.

RIPIYWG Hedge and CDK. I didn't have much of a read on either of you though I slightly leaned civ on CBK.

I would also rather sneak around the mountain.

He was the Great Goblin!!! Yayaya - and Epig thanks for bringing forward the case. RIP TH (even though you killed me as juliets 1.0!! ) and BIH Great Goblin!

lol Snow Dog -

ok, I've decided that TH's post about the people voting for him being Snow's baddie teammates sounds like something a baddie would say so I've made the decision to vote for him. I'm sorry TH if you're good.

Turnip Head wrote:Well I'm starting to think snow dog is bad after all and some of his teammates are using this chance to save him and get me out with little culpability. Voting for Snowy based on his behavior post-Boogswagon but mainly to save myself. I'm not bad. Don't have much time atm to try and convince anyone of that though >.<

Sorry I've been quieter lately, but my quietness has nothing to do with my role. RL has been a little hectic lately.

ugh. I have qualms about a vote for TH or a vote for Snow Dog. What to do, what to do.

I'm starting to lean toward TH for a vote after thinking about all this. I'm going to wait though and see if anyone else brings up something that would argue against voting for him.

thellama73 wrote:My point was not that TH 1.0 was bad. I don't know whether he was or not. My point was that his behavior as 1.0 is more similar to his baddie game than I am seeing in 2.0.

ohhhhh...I misunderstood. Sorry.

thellama73 wrote:Blooper, I have played games with TH in which he was bad and extremely vocal. He fools me almost every time, because he seems like such a pro-active civ. That is why I think TH 1.0 is more likely to have been bad than TH 2.0

llama if TH 1.0 was bad he could not have subbed back into the game unless he was on the same baddie team. You can't have someone bad subbing in as a civ because they know everyone that was on their team in their first life. At least thats the way i see it.

k4j, I got the same impression about her vote for AP but that's really the only thing I've seen that i thought was odd. I'll take your other points into consideration.

With TH, yeah I also have a bad feeling about a quieter TH based on that KSITE game we were all in. He also had me convinced at the end of that game he was good. TH is a very good mafia player and I tend to be wary of him. I don't know that I expected him to throw himself immediately into the game though with suspicions/things people others haven't seen. I certainly could not do that when replacing in. By now though I would expect him to be more active. With that said though I thought his answers to Epig were credible. What did you think about that? Am I reading his genuineness wrong?