The Syndicate

Hey [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] why did you guys kill me the first night? I had intentionally not talked about who I suspected.

Enjoyed the game a lot speed, loved having a dead chat that actually had a role.

You can see it in the dead chat but for those who don't read it nova was the one who had the rationale for protecting nutella and Sloonei and I agreed with his analysis so yay for nova, leader alive and leader in death. I thought sprityo was bad right up until he said he checked nova night 1 - we knew that had happened because we got the priest results. Good job townies going after Jack!

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 5:15 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:45 pm Let’s play gth.
Haha right. The last game I was civ and talked in the night about who I suspected I was killed N1.
Who do you suspect?

lol, like I said, in Gossip Girls I suspected 3 people night 1 who were all bad - and I was killed that night.

But if you're comfortable talking about suspicions at night, who do you suspect?

linki

Hi [mention]Sloonei[/mention]!

Ok everybody our thread is about to explode!

[mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] what are your thoughts on the cop and oracle outting themselves to give us a witch?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 1:45 pm Let’s play gth.

Haha right. The last game I was civ and talked in the night about who I suspected I was killed N1.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:55 pm Angels can only protect a player once period.

@speedchuck caj angels stop a soup kill?

Cop should probably out if they find a wolf at all and oracle can decide later at their discretion.

Jack, look back at the beginning where it talks about the angels. It says:

"Angels get the results of Priest checks at the end of each night. Angels are unable to give Protection when there are four or fewer living players at the start of night. Angels may also protect the same player more than once."

Ok, I'll go read a book for awhile. I would really like to hear from [mention]muugen[/mention] and [mention]sprityo[/mention] today.

So one thing is how would the oracle know its time to reveal a witch if they don't know if the cop has identified a second witch?

Ok thanks that clarifies is.

So I'm thinking about it. Was there a no double targeting rule? I ask because the Angel description says "Angels may also protect the same player more than once." So if they could protect say the cop night after night we should only lose one role. I just need to think through what all the potential consequences before I can whole heartedly agree.

Jack, what do you mean by this phrase "and that the other teammate is one of these two players" - is the "other teammate" the 3rd wolf and if so which two players are you talking about?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:46 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:41 am I just thought of something about the whole clown thing. If the witches know who was targeted by Mordecai, and they know that person is town, does that put a target on the town person's head? Because someone knows that they are town? Is this the kind of teeny downside you're talking about Jack?
I don’t think private cop targets are at much more of a disadvantage. Scum already knows they’re town and the town (save the cop) doesn’t.

I meant there’s a little insight into who the cop is based on their target.

If I say I suspect you and Sprityo but most people townread you and the scum learns the cop targeted you, then that points to me being the cop.

Ok I see what you're saying. So it looks like to me the clown and oracle targeting the same person is useful. Now, we just need some people in here to agree on a direction for the target. Speed indicated he wants actions in asap.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:42 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:38 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:30 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:00 am I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.
G’morning.
Hi Jack, any thoughts this morning? About anything.
Wait until D3 and then cop and oracle out to give us the game situation?

Scum won’t bus in this game because it gets them no cred so outing a scum through either of these roles should be extra useful. Outted townies give the angels direction.

You're saying you want the cop and the oracle to out themselves D3 or am I misunderstanding?

I just thought of something about the whole clown thing. If the witches know who was targeted by Mordecai, and they know that person is town, does that put a target on the town person's head? Because someone knows that they are town? Is this the kind of teeny downside you're talking about Jack?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:30 am
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 11:00 am I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.
G’morning.

Hi Jack, any thoughts this morning? About anything.

I hate that I'm the only one here most mornings.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 12, 2019 4:00 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:18 pm Lunalee, yes I did read Daisy's entire post and looked back at the roles to see what she was talking about. I didn't respond because I boiled it down to two things she was asking town about and then it looked like both of those things she or someone else had thought of reasons why they didn't work. I did like the clown idea but iirc she came up with a reason why that wouldn't work - a reason I can't remember. I'll look back to jog my memory. I think you'll see what I mean when you read it and break i
I don’t like this. I said I could think of one drawback but I didn’t feel like the drawback to the clown idea was bad enough to discredit it. I actually asked for input and I still would really like it.

QUESTION TO ALL: Should we have a public target for the clown pie to help Lilith ensure she gets to use her power every night?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:24 pm This was the post where she decided the clown idea might not be the best. Now that I look at it again I do have a questions though. Daisy, why would it be obvious which target is Mordecai's? Or maybe someone else can answer it if Daisy is not around.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:12 am Oh I thought of a flaw in the idea of directing the clown’s target for Lilith, but I’m not sure it makes enough of a difference to outweigh the benefit. If we direct the clown’s target by public thread, and Lilith uses it then it will be obvious which target is Lilith’s andwhich is Mordecai’s. Is this a big enough drawback to make it a bad plan? Input please.

Oh Juliets this worries me. I flat out said in this post that I didn’t think it was a big enough drawback to offset the plan, how do get that I decided against it from that?

There is a role or power in the witches team that learns the targets of Lilith and Mordecai’s targetsbut not which is which. If it’s public knowledge who Lilith targets, then they know which is which.

Given your explanation about Mordecai I don't know how I feel about this. I'm loathe to give the witches any more information than they already can get because it seems like we're at such a disadvantage already with no flips. At the same time, if we did it everynight we would know whether the person we killed was mafia, wouldn't we? That's good information for us to do interaction analysis and for the angels to know who the bad guys are in their midst. So anyway, those are my thoughts. I don't think anyone else has given thoughts about this unless I missed them so I'll be interested to see what others think.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:05 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:43 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:46 pm And that’s here too juliets
So Jack, I don't know how better to explain this. I ask questions to get people's thoughts so I can compare them to my own or so I can learn new information. I also ask questions when I don't understand something about the game or what someone is saying. I also ask questions when I suspect someone and I'm trying to pin them down. In short, there are all kinds of reasons I ask questions, and I usually say thanks after getting the answer. Some people never respond to questions and that sometimes tells me something too. Sometimes I re-ask, sometimes I don't. But you will almost never see me make an immediate judgement call if I'm asking because I think someone is guilty. Most people that have played with me know I marinate on the answers. I'm not one who is quick to make a decision or judgement. I like to collect information, think about it, and make a decision or set a course of action. Sometimes I reveal that to the thread, sometimes I don't. This is true of every game I play - I always ask questions. It is not a baddie tell. It's just how I process information and gather facts. If you want to Lynch me because I ask a lot of questions and you can't see what I do with the answers then you will be trying to Lynch me every game.

linki
Okay. But I’m still watching you.

you can watch me with that cute little whatcha-ma-call-it any day!

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:57 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:53 pm Man, only ten people voted in the lynch. If the mafia merely abstain, civilians never accomplish anything. That's bullshit.
So the people who didn't vote if I got it down right are Daisy, muugen and Muriel. I don't have much hope for Muriel.
It makes the game almost literally unwinnable for civilians.

You mean if Muriel is a civ and a no-show?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:53 pm Man, only ten people voted in the lynch. If the mafia merely abstain, civilians never accomplish anything. That's bullshit.

So the people who didn't vote if I got it down right are Daisy, muugen and Muriel. I don't have much hope for Muriel.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:46 pm And that’s here too juliets

So Jack, I don't know how better to explain this. I ask questions to get people's thoughts so I can compare them to my own or so I can learn new information. I also ask questions when I don't understand something about the game or what someone is saying. I also ask questions when I suspect someone and I'm trying to pin them down. In short, there are all kinds of reasons I ask questions, and I usually say thanks after getting the answer. Some people never respond to questions and that sometimes tells me something too. Sometimes I re-ask, sometimes I don't. But you will almost never see me make an immediate judgement call if I'm asking because I think someone is guilty. Most people that have played with me know I marinate on the answers. I'm not one who is quick to make a decision or judgement. I like to collect information, think about it, and make a decision or set a course of action. Sometimes I reveal that to the thread, sometimes I don't. This is true of every game I play - I always ask questions. It is not a baddie tell. It's just how I process information and gather facts. If you want to Lynch me because I ask a lot of questions and you can't see what I do with the answers then you will be trying to Lynch me every game.

linki

Oh yes I do understand.

I don't understand what happened.

Is there nobody we can get 7 votes on?

We need [mention]sprityo[/mention] , [mention]muugen[/mention] , and [mention]Spacedaisy[/mention] to come in and vote.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:18 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:48 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo
Luna why Jack?
that player salad post

Oh right, thank you.

can you explain your nova suspicion?

Or are you too busy right now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:00 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:01 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 pm I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.
What's up with Juliets and Sprit?
Juliets does feel like her Adams Family self. I don’t like Sprityo saying he’s gonna supatown and then being like “well not yet.”
What do you see that you saw in Addams family?
Clarifying questions that don't go anywhere.

Questions is how I assimilate info. You should know that by now. There is a reason for every question I ask.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm I wanted to hate sprityo's posts, but I don't.

I agree. He seems too much like the same sprityo we lynched in that recent game, whichever one it was, where he was civ.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:44 pm Here's my top three folks I wouldn't mind lynching:
Mac
Jack of hearts
sprityo

Luna why Jack?

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:42 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:39 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:35 pm Mac is bad, isn't he?
Are you kidding or serious? Because if you are serious please straighten me out.
I'm just thinking out loud lol. It's a question mark, that said I have no reason to town read him and his recent posts feel off.

Ok well if he feels off to you I need to re-assess because others have said the same thing. Everything he's done just feels NAI to me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:38 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:32 pm I have a lean toward lynching nutella.

Yes, I know she's turning Japanese. She has four posts, and yet:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:41 pm ok I've decided I like nova, he's clearly putting in what looks to me like a genuine effort. I think I like daisy and juliets for now but less sure. Don't get great vibes from Luna, and I expect more from Epi so I could vote for one of those two. Are votes changeable?
She expects more from me? She has to know by now that most of these pages are blocked at my work.

Please.
Epi maybe its because you didn't post yesterday.
As much experience as she has playing with me, she ought to know better, and I still had five times the number of posts she did. Doesn't sound like a genuine thought to me: When has she ever encountered a bad Epignosis who wasn't willing to post if able? It doesn't ring true.

Yeah, its not like you're known for laying low when you're bad.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:35 pm Mac is bad, isn't he?

Are you kidding or serious? Because if you are serious please straighten me out.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:35 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:32 pm I have a lean toward lynching nutella.

Yes, I know she's turning Japanese. She has four posts, and yet:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:41 pm ok I've decided I like nova, he's clearly putting in what looks to me like a genuine effort. I think I like daisy and juliets for now but less sure. Don't get great vibes from Luna, and I expect more from Epi so I could vote for one of those two. Are votes changeable?
She expects more from me? She has to know by now that most of these pages are blocked at my work.

Please.
Epi maybe its because you didn't post yesterday.

Though wait, sorry I see her post was at 8:41 yesterday so it wasn't the end of the night or this morning.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:32 pm I have a lean toward lynching nutella.

Yes, I know she's turning Japanese. She has four posts, and yet:

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:41 pm ok I've decided I like nova, he's clearly putting in what looks to me like a genuine effort. I think I like daisy and juliets for now but less sure. Don't get great vibes from Luna, and I expect more from Epi so I could vote for one of those two. Are votes changeable?
She expects more from me? She has to know by now that most of these pages are blocked at my work.

Please.

Epi maybe its because you didn't post yesterday.

ugh typos sorry

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:26 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:23 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:15 pm If we need seven votes to kill somebody, I recommend that we take time now to create a default lynch, one that, if nothing better arises, that's where we go to ensure bloodshed occurs.
I'm in. Mac sound good? Open to suggestions as well.
I don't feel like I've seen anything AI about Mac. He was uninvolved like this in the Addams family.
But his few posts and vote seemed off. Hence my vote. Who would you like to lynch (besides me of course)?
What seemed off about his posts and vote? Maybe you have explained this and I missed it.
Here's the short of it: Mac responds to nova's post "I hope Mac's a witch" with "No, I'm not, and neither are you." Sabie then asks about the interaction because it feels weird, and Mac replies to sabie that it "it was nothing." then decides to put his vote on her.

I thought his response to sabie was something like "thats a whole lot of nothing sable" which I thought meant he thought sable was making a mountain our of a mole hill. I could be completely wrong in my assumption of course.

Oh good Mac is here.

We need [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] and [mention]novaselinenever[/mention] to join the discussion. I haven't seen the others recently.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:21 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:19 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:15 pm If we need seven votes to kill somebody, I recommend that we take time now to create a default lynch, one that, if nothing better arises, that's where we go to ensure bloodshed occurs.
I'm in. Mac sound good? Open to suggestions as well.
I don't feel like I've seen anything AI about Mac. He was uninvolved like this in the Addams family.
But his few posts and vote seemed off. Hence my vote. Who would you like to lynch (besides me of course)?

What seemed off about his posts and vote? Maybe you have explained this and I missed it.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:21 pm I'm not wild about a MacDougall lynch. He was not active in Addams and didn't even submit Night actions. I feel like lynching him now would be a lazy move.

Of course, knowing that bastard, he's being useless now on purpose.

Yes theres the rub.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:17 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:15 pm If we need seven votes to kill somebody, I recommend that we take time now to create a default lynch, one that, if nothing better arises, that's where we go to ensure bloodshed occurs.
I'm in. Mac sound good? Open to suggestions as well.

I don't feel like I've seen anything AI about Mac. He was uninvolved like this in the Addams family.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:15 pm If we need seven votes to kill somebody, I recommend that we take time now to create a default lynch, one that, if nothing better arises, that's where we go to ensure bloodshed occurs.

How should we go about doing it?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 5:01 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:48 pm I’d lynch Luna, Juliets and maybe Sprityo.

That is, I have no real desire to lynch Mac.
What's up with Juliets and Sprit?
Juliets does feel like her Adams Family self. I don’t like Sprityo saying he’s gonna supatown and then being like “well not yet.”

What do you see that you saw in Addams family?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:40 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 1:07 pm Umm where is everyone? The lynch is this evening.
Work is plentiful and unpleasant.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 6:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:39 pm @novaselinenever what are your thoughts about the entry posts?
I find myself unimpressed by Luna and Nutella so far. What do you think about Epi's thoughts on you?
I don't know what he means. I look the same at the beginning of every game. He seems to be trying to get people to believe he has some kind of inside knowledge. Maybe he would like to share specifics. I won't tag him because it messes up his browser and he says he reads every post so he'll see this one.

linki
What kind of inside knowledge was I trying to get people to believe I had about you? I have no inside knowledge. I got a role and that is all.

Ok, then tell us what I did in the beginning of that game that looks like the beginning of this game. It looked to me like you were saying you saw things while hosting me that others (players, spectators) didn't see. Otherwise why not just say "In Julie's last game"? But like I told nova maybe I just was focused too hard on the fact you said you hosted me, so just give some specific examples of what you saw there that you are saying you see here.

This was the post where she decided the clown idea might not be the best. Now that I look at it again I do have a questions though. Daisy, why would it be obvious which target is Mordecai's? Or maybe someone else can answer it if Daisy is not around.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 8:12 am Oh I thought of a flaw in the idea of directing the clown’s target for Lilith, but I’m not sure it makes enough of a difference to outweigh the benefit. If we direct the clown’s target by public thread, and Lilith uses it then it will be obvious which target is Lilith’s andwhich is Mordecai’s. Is this a big enough drawback to make it a bad plan? Input please.

[mention]Lunalee[/mention], yes I did read Daisy's entire post and looked back at the roles to see what she was talking about. I didn't respond because I boiled it down to two things she was asking town about and then it looked like both of those things she or someone else had thought of reasons why they didn't work. I did like the clown idea but iirc she came up with a reason why that wouldn't work - a reason I can't remember. I'll look back to jog my memory. I think you'll see what I mean when you read it and break it down.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:22 pm I want to revisit something about Nutella, but at the moment yeah probably Luna. I don’t understand her sarcasm answer to my point regarding what I found weird. But at the same time as a baddie she could have taken the answer I practically handed to her in my post... I don’t know.

Well the answer you offered was maybe she was kidding, and her answer was she was being sarcastic. In this context I see the two things similarly, i.e., her answer was not too different from the one she gave.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:26 pm I gotta get ready to run my sim so I’ll be back after Juliets, I’m sorry.

Ok, I'm off to do my other stuff too then. First I'll go ahead and

[VOTE: Luna] aubergine

I can always change later if there is something convincing that comes up.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:15 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:27 pm What did you like about Epi?
Generally I like the look of how he’s playing. I can see civ reasoning for his behavior thus far but I don’t feel like it’d be prudent to discuss it exactly. Me asking for an example of his suspicion is not about whether or not I think he looks good so much as whether or not I agree with his suspicion. Entertaining a suspicion doesn’t mean voting for her, it just means “I’m listening.”

But he hasn’t said anything else really to go anywhere with it, so whatever. And I’ve liked what I’ve seen from Juliets since then too, so in lack of anything from him that changes my mind I wouldn’t be voting her today.

Yay a person is here!

Daisy are you leaning toward anyone yet? I'm leaning Luna.

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