The Syndicate

Dom wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:To be honest Dom, it seemed to me that INH wasn't taking this game seriously at all. That is until juliets said she'd vote someone whose posts didn't contribute. Then INH went crazy overreaction on her. He later claimed he was joking then as well.

He is fishy.

That's precisely my point: INH, since the beginning of the game, has had plenty of time to say that everyone suspecting him is wrong. He, however, claims that he doesn't have the time to truly contribute other material. He made a few splashes in the wake of MP/FZ and continued with a few posts on Mongoose. However, other than that, I am unsure of what INH is thinking/doing this game.
OK, maybe my priorities when posting are wrong. I sometimes put jokes and humor before suspicions and cases. If I knew that Dom would be personally offended by that fact, I may have re-thought things. If you all don't lynch me, I'll genuinely try to improve how I play. I've been doing this for almost three years, and still barely have a handle on how to play. The only thing I am remotely good at is hosting, designing games, and hiding my intentions, regardless of my alignment. The fact that you are now angry at me for that last part makes me wonder if you've ever played with me before.

thellama73 wrote:
I don't think this is quite accurate. Wile my suspicion of MetalMarsh and you were originally concurrent, they weren't dependent on each other. My second suspicion of you did not come hand in hand with one of MetalMarsh (although I have certainly not ruled him out).

INH's behavior since being accused does not make me feel better about him. I want to say this as delicately as possible, because I don't want to offend anyone and I realize that people have lives, but the "I have real life issues" excuse is starting to wear thin for me. It is too easy of a "get out of jail free" card these days, with every single person brought up for inactivity instantly falling back on it and expecting to get a pass. Some people do have real life issues, but I don't like setting the precedent that baddies can use it without any question at all.

INH seems to have had plenty of time to respond to the accusations against him, but no time to say anything about anyone else. As has been pointed out, his game ended a while ago, so that excuse is gone. The little time he does have has not been used wisely or productively. The indignation and anger seems calculated to get people to back off. I am more distrustful of him by the hour.

Llama, I apologize, that was not the way I meant that post. I believe you brought up metal marsh during the time we all discussed alternatives to the boogs lynch. I meant that MM and I were brought up together and dropped, and both of us have been twice-- so why is it suspicious if t happens to me, but not him? Does that make sense?
I do think that INH's anger/indignation is faked/calculated in order to make people not want to deal with it.

If I was anywhere near good enough to pull that off, I wouldn't be in this position.

Dom wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Dom wrote:Wait, I misread the post Epig quoted. I apologize.


Regardless, you have had plenty of time to post plenty of things with very little value. However, you claim you don't have the time to name a suspicion and such.

OK, a joke is something I can make on my phone, on the bus, at work. A suspicion is something I can spend hours analyzing and judging. I simply don't have as much time as I would like to do that.

You can't name anyone you're suspicious of without a huge post/analysis?
You can only link to GIFS, write backwards, post extensively in a color reserved for sarcasm in order to mock others?

You ask rhetorical questions too much also? We both know that you are purposefully ignoring many of my posts in order to undermine me. Can you say something that isn't completely subjective to you, and your interpretation as to how to play mafia?

insertnamehere wrote:
Also, so much yellow and orange is hurting my eyes and I can't really see it ;(

lol

I am so sick of this attitude. I am so so so so so so SO sick of it.

I won't comment on how that was incredibly rude, but I will comment on how it is representative of your actions all game. Rather than bringing up points, saying what you think of people/different suspicions and events, etc you have mocked people all game. You deliberately do things that you know piss people off; you are purposefully avoiding actual discussion by being unnecessarily hostile, evasive, and off-putting.

Oh great, now Dom is personally insulting me. Fantastic.

insertnamehere wrote: I try not to make suspicion willy-nilly, as people seem to do.

"The suspicion of me was brought up out of no-where, has no basis, and should not be considered"
Is that an accurate translation?
Feel free to read into it as much as you like.

Snow Dog wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:Does this hostility mean he's bad though? Not necessarily.

It doesn't make him good either.

So where does that lead us? No further down the road that's for sure.

Seriously though, in your opinion, who is usually more hostile in this situation. A cornered baddie or a fed up civvie?

Snow Dog, you don't find it strange that INH always has the time to address the points made against him, to overreact, to yell bloody murder that he's being ganged up on... but he never seems to have the time to post other things of value? When he isn't being discussed he goes right back to jokes and lolz. He doesn't contribute.
He says he does, but a Nikki Minaj GIF and a vague post about who you agree with/voting for yourself in a baddie lynch is not exactly what I would call contribution.

I'm sorry that all of my posts don't correspond to the Dom Scale of Participation, Attitude, and Decency™.

Snow Dog wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:I am totally 100% a baddie.

Truth in jest?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, let's do the time warp.

I usually post and vote in a thread a few hours before the poll ends. See any game I have ever played for proof.

Very well.

In X-Men (a full game, 48 hour Days), you were on an evil team of 7, and you had a total of 23 posts in the span of eight game Days, and I don't think you were hosting a game at all during any of that time.

In Willow (a speed game, 24 hour Days), you were civilian, and you had 85 posts in the span of nine game Days.

To be fair, INH was hosting the Stanley Parable game for much of that time.

fingersplints wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Dom wrote:Wait, I misread the post Epig quoted. I apologize.


Regardless, you have had plenty of time to post plenty of things with very little value. However, you claim you don't have the time to name a suspicion and such.

OK, a joke is something I can make on my phone, on the bus, at work. A suspicion is something I can spend hours analyzing and judging. I simply don't have as much time as I would like to do that.

You can quickly post something relevant as well from the phone though. I don't see why it has to take hours.

fingersplints wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I find Dom's questions pretty typical for him, llama. I don't think that it is indicative of his baddie game.
I've brought up my suspicion of inh before. I think he is
using the Vomps lynch to his advantage (Figuring we won't want to lynch another player for their off topic posting). I still think it's likely he is the last of the Moira Goblins based
off his interactions with MP and FZ.

When have I even brought up the Vomps lynch? Direct me to that post, please.

Where did I say you brought it up? Why would you post in the thread what your baddie tactic is?

Fuck me. So now you are suspicious of me for simply existing after Vomps was lynched.

I'm allowed to make deductions based off your behavior and what I think about it.

Oh good, no way I can defend myself against that one, can I? Nice choice.

Also, so much yellow and orange is hurting my eyes and I can't really see it ;(

lol

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, let's do the time warp.

I usually post and vote in a thread a few hours before the poll ends. See any game I have ever played for proof.

Very well.

In X-Men (a full game, 48 hour Days), you were on an evil team of 7, and you had a total of 23 posts in the span of eight game Days, and I don't think you were hosting a game at all during any of that time.

In Willow (a speed game, 24 hour Days), you were civilian, and you had 85 posts in the span of nine game Days.

Dom wrote:Wait, I misread the post Epig quoted. I apologize.


Regardless, you have had plenty of time to post plenty of things with very little value. However, you claim you don't have the time to name a suspicion and such.

Dom wrote:No one is ganging up on you, INH.

You have yet to present an original thought since day seven.

Wrong.

As Epig nicely pointed out, you said you would have more time.

Let's see 10 posts over the last 30 minutes, I'd say that I have posted enough to fill your imaginary quota of "enough activity".

You have spent plenty of time posting off-topic, hardly on-topic junk.

WELL I THINK IT'S FUNNY/

However, you don't seem to have the time to post something of any value.

I think that the NSA is greatly overstepping national boundaries, and Edward Snowden should be hailed as a national hero.
There? Is that valuable enough to you?

Epignosis wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:
I know llama agrees with your "why sign up if you're not going to play?" because he is quite vocal of that and so do I, but I have counterargued with him before that some people have busy RL (I understand after going through tax season), they still want to play, but maybe can't check in with the same kind of frequency as others, or maybe are particularly busy while D0/D1 is happening, so typically I think it makes more sense to vote for a no/low poster later on in the game (or like you said, unless there's honestly nothing else to go on). And let's be honest here, some people just have more talkative game styles than others.

So those are all things to consider.

Usually in big games like these, I sit back and watch for the first few cycles, and then presumably if I'm not eliminated, I start posting more and more. I like to get an idea of the dynamic of the game before I completely dive in.

That being said, I agree with FZ. To me it looked like MP was just making a suggestion to vote a NP if no clear candidate is revealed, which happens often on this site. The fact that K4J immediately jumped on that makes me a bit nervous.

This hasn't happened. INH is still around and it's Day 9, but he's posted less frequently.

lol

Here, INH named two Mafia teammates in one sentence. This was regarding a staged debate between MP and FZ.

FZ and MP's big show was a main topic of the thread. Me responding to it, and taking a side on it means next to nothing.

Continuing the conversation with MP:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote: You think K4J is suspicious for that?

I have a weak Day 1 suspicion of her. Probably not worth voting, but I have my eye on her.

"Probably not worth voting." So what reason did INH give for voting FH (a Mafia member)?

insertnamehere wrote:Going with Flyin' High, because she and Spaghetti both have only one post in the game.

Huh.

However, INH did vote for k4j on Day 2:

kneel4justice
6
FZ. (4), Turnip Head (5), insertnamehere (6), Captain Bunny Killer (9), Lizzy (19), Elohcin (22) 21%

After that, it was missed, Mongoose, Mongoose, Vompatti, Boogs, then INH. The kneel4justice suspicion was never expounded upon or revisited (that I could tell).

That's because my initial suspicion of K4J was a weak one, and the more she posted, the more I trusted her. I'm sorry that I didn't announce "Hey, remember that weak, Day 1 suspicion, I disagree with that now!"

++++

Now, as has been pointed out, INH claimed he had been busy hosting on June 16, but his game had ended June 14.
That was a mistake. There. You got me. I don't think that it really matters much, but you got me.
INH's game began June 5 (having been in sign ups since May 23). From the sign-up thread, INH said this:

insertnamehere wrote:I'm sorry that I have to play with your emotions like this, but contrary to what I believed earlier, I have some extra time tonight, so the game is definitively starting tonight.

PM's are sent out, if you have not received one, PM me.

And?

That was on the evening of June 5th. On June the 2nd and 3rd, INH said this:

insertnamehere wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Only three more, and we can start! Hopefully we can begin tomorrow or Wednesday.

Make that tomorrow or Thursday.

And?

On June 4th, INH had 11 posts (15.7% of his 70 posts), including an enormous spreadsheet about MP and FZ mentioning teammates.

And?

On June 8th, INH had time to goof off with a backwards post about Twin Peaks.

That took me about five seconds.

On June 12th, INH had time to provide the possibilities regarding Mongoose.

And?

After INH's game:

On June 16th, INH and Boogs had a spat over how much time one has when hosting.

And?

The last post made in INH's game was June 17th. On June 18th, INH posted a popcorn smiley and the lyrics to "What is Love? (Baby Don't Hurt Me).

And?

Then on June 20th (three days after the last post in his game was made and six days after his game had ended) INH posts this:

insertnamehere wrote:I'm not sure about either of these people, so I'm going to vote for myself.

Wish I had more time, but I've been busy the last couple of days.

And?

And speak of the devil.

Dom wrote:INH, you have offered zero thoughts since you were discussed. You have consistently gotten by on the fact that you don't say anything of importance.
In addition, your post on Epig caught my eye because NO ONE had jumped onto a case about Epig. It wasn't gaining much traction. That wasn't how you were treating it at all. Rey did, I was saying that I didn't agree with it. Lynch me.

Furthermore, "I WAS HOTSING A GAMEMMEEEE THOOO"
Okay.
Fine.
Yes.
I know.
I talked about that. You seem to ignore it, and then condemn me when I bring it up.
Why haven't you been posting since about Day 7? You're going to yell at me for this, but RL reasons.Why do you refuse to participate when your name isn't being brought up? I have been participating, not "refusing to". Do you want me to go back and find examples of me talking about the game, but not defending myself? Because I'd be happy to do that. Why do you seem to be looking for the easy way out of everything in this game? Why are you so aggressive towards me, and making gross exaggerations?

Why do you treat every point against you like an unfair attack? I'm not. Why do you act like people are ganging up on you when they aren't? They are. Why do you act as if the points against you are moot rather than addressing them? What am I doing now?

thellama73 wrote:But you're suddenly plenty chatty when people start talking about lynching you, I see.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Dom wrote:BWT, I would like to add that INH's game ended on June 14, over a week ago.

Interesting. So he's had 8 full real-life days to get back into the swing of things, and is now on #9 and hasn't done so. I can understand being busy, but I would think in that period of time, he would be able to check in at least.

Dom wrote:BWT, I would like to add that INH's game ended on June 14, over a week ago.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:
INH - He's really dropped off my radar. I know he said he was busy with hosting that other game, and I can understand that. But if that game has indeed ended, I would expect to see him becoming more active again. That doesn't feel good to me at all.

fingersplints wrote:I find Dom's questions pretty typical for him, llama. I don't think that it is indicative of his baddie game.
I've brought up my suspicion of inh before. I think he is
using the Vomps lynch to his advantage (Figuring we won't want to lynch another player for their off topic posting). I still think it's likely he is the last of the Moira Goblins based
off his interactions with MP and FZ.

thellama73 wrote:

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

I might be able to get behind an INH lynch. He was using his hosting as an excuse for non-participation, but that game has been over for a while and yet he has remained distinctly non est.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Dom wrote:

thellama73 wrote:Thanks for the response, Dom. There is much to ponder in what you have said. Especially the people you mention near the end of the alphabet, if you know what I mean.

In retrospect, I do believe that the scum hunting at the end of the alphabet was not fruitful. I feel like the letter I would be much better suited to such an activity.

Snow Dog has also not been speaking since his almost lynch, strangely enough.

Snow Dog probably thinks he's off the hook. And I've noticed here on this site that sometimes players don't post much if they don't have to defend themselves.

That's why it is good to make cases that people have to defend against, like I did with Dom, and like you refused to do with Epig.

Llama, what are your thoughts on my case on INH, I am curious.

Dom wrote: However, there are two people that I am wondering about more than K4J. They are insertnamehere and Snow Dog. I am not sure that just because Turnip Head was bad that means that Snow Dog is good.

In addition, I feel that INH has created this false equivalency between the case on him and the case on Boogs. INH instantly flew off the handle for being "hounded". However, the facts are not on his side. INH has not received nearly as many votes, he has not been discussed nearly as much, there has not been nearly as much attention, and his name has been brought up while he falls to the shadows. I'd admit that the amount of "hounding" was not as extreme as in Boog's case, but it was in the same nature. I didn't mean that I was being "hounded" as much as Boogs, I just thought it was similar to what he claimed. I am, of course, referring to this post.
Llama, his participation has also dropped off significantly. INH has not posted a remotely on topic response since Day 7 (when Boogs has brought him up and he made that erroneous post I talked about).
O RLY?

Examples: http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 827#p70827 http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 648#p70648

Maybe those two aren't very intensively "game-focused", but they are more than "remotely on topic".


He also grossly exaggerated a 'case' on Epig here. I'm not sure what the hell you mean here, Rey was posting a case on Epig, and I said that I didn't agree with it. Playing the game is "fear-mongering" to you? I found that to be fear mongering.
Before his name was thrown back into the ring on Day 6/7? Before the Mongoose lynch on Day 5?
INH had a habit of not posting anything of importance at all:
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 093#p69093
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 042#p69042
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 025#p69025
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 963#p68963
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 936#p68936
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 854#p68854
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 851#p68851
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 824#p68824
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 823#p68823
http://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic. ... 655#p68655
Those are all of his posts between his first burst of activity (where he created that spreadsheet) and the second burst (where he said he wasn't bad, and said he was being ganged up on for being talked about at all).
I hate to keep on falling back on the same defense, but I was hosting a game at the time that I posted all of that. You don't even mention that. Can you stop ignoring information? Please and thank you.
You'll notice the only thing of any, remote import is that he trusts Epig. And?
He also voted HIMSELF during the TH lynch.

And? I didn't think either case was very strong, so I decided to abstain. That's not unheard of in mafia.

Epignosis wrote:Psych! I've suspected k4j for a while.

++++

TH1 went after k4j hard. So what happened to TH2's suspicion of k4j? It disappeared entirely. But TH 2.0 took a vote on Day 7! Who could it have been?

Turnip Head 2.0
1
kneel4justice (17) 4%

I've looked through k4j's posts and the only rationale for suspecting TH 2.0 is that he has been quiet and "seems different." TH 2.0 subbed in at the start of Day 5. He had six posts. k4j had five posts at the start of Day 5, so one fewer than TH 2.0, but declared TH 2.0 as "quiet."

A rundown of k4j's posts from Day 5 start to "TH 2.0 is quiet."

kneel4justice wrote:Sorry I missed the poll. I was out of town and lost track of what I needed to do.

So he missed the Night poll about spiders.

kneel4justice wrote:I voted for Mongoose again.
I did not like her response to being lynched where she randomly said she wanted to vote me or something like that, she didn't even give reason.

Huh. No participation in the discussion. Just voted for Mongoose.

Third post is asking rey about me.

More talk about me.

Another post about me.

Finally:

kneel4justice wrote:TH 2.0 is quiet.

That's it.

Now this is the nail in the coffin for me:

kneel4justice wrote:if I am a townie I will come in with plenty to say, plenty new ideas and angles that others may not have had,

Got a gif for that honey?

kneel4justice wrote:

Epignosis wrote: Thanks. You're bad.

But I'm not.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

fingersplints wrote:Front door to confront the dragon

I wouldn't mind confronting a dragon if you know what I mean.

Boogs wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Boogs wrote:Hosting a game doesn't keep you from this game and posting and accusing as you have, right INH? I think that's an easy excuse out.

Seriously?

OK, I'll explain. I only have a certain amount of time per day to allocate to mafia.

When a person hosts a game it takes up time.

My top priority is to ensure that the game is fun, and that the players enjoy it. Everything else is secondary. If you look at past games I have participated in while I hosted, you will see that my activity is generally low during those times.

This is not a complex idea, and yet you seem to find it suspicious.

For this entire game, I have been hounded by people clinging onto bizarre minute little things, and wanting to lynch me over them. It's gotten very frustrating.

Kind of like what you claim to be, huh Boogs?

Only I don't have a circle of friends to back me up.

I'm just saying I've hosted 2 games also since Hobbit started and I think that's an easy way out and doesn't give an excuse why you can use your time to accuse me or someone or be silly and rude on here with your posts, but you've dropped all HELP for the group as you "so noble like" gave us when MP died, then tried to connect the dots to the other Moria Goblins. With 1 possibly left, you've stopped helping and have been just Blearghhhh here to be honest. If I can host a game and make time when I'm the one under constant suspicion, then you should too when you haven't even really been posting help.

Boogs wrote:Hosting a game doesn't keep you from this game and posting and accusing as you have, right INH? I think that's an easy excuse out.

Boogs wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Boogs wrote:
INH has caught me attention today for getting more serious all of a sudden and has been really rude to some players. I looked back and some of his earlier posts were not game related and kind of "I'm here and let me goof off" non helpful . It caught my eye.

I act serious in some posts, and less in some other. I created a giant spreadsheet analyzing FZ's and MP's posts, but that apparently is not game related to you.

You did that Day 2 I think and haven't said much about it since? It didn't make much sense to me anyway. But did you create to help us Civs, or did you create to track the opposing Goblin team for yourself and teammates?

Boogs wrote:
INH has caught me attention today for getting more serious all of a sudden and has been really rude to some players. I looked back and some of his earlier posts were not game related and kind of "I'm here and let me goof off" non helpful . It caught my eye.

>SpaghettiEverywhere wrote:And now I'm being made fun of. Wonderful. Its shit like this that makes me quit playing mafia.

fingersplints wrote:And although you weren't the only one who mentioned it you are the one that MP defended. You are making this just about the spreadsheet and conveniently leaving out that there is more to it.

fingersplints wrote:The theory being that MP and FZ must have not mentioned their last teammate? I don't agree with that theory at all. Neiher does the one person playing who knows FZ the best.

Do we know for certain that it is incorrect? No. Do we know for certain that it's correct? No. Does thinking about it make me bad? No.

I condemn you for making a spreadsheet and presenting it as fact even though its not. The spreadsheet is also wrong since as I pointed out you have it listed that MP didn't mention me day 1 when I wasn't even in the game then.


Anyone who pays attention to the game would know that you replaced someone, and therefore you wouldn't be mentioned. Just because I forgot to add a disclaimer saying that FS replaced in, and therefore wouldn't be mentioned, mostly because I think that we are all intelligent enough to know that already, you condemn me, and my research.

Also how do you call deciding which posts were most "liked" as impartial?

Do you actually know what I did? I had stringent impartial rules as to how I would rank a comment or mention. I wasn't ranking it on whether I thought it was "liked", I was ranking in terms of what was said.

Here's the process and criteria I used.

MinPos means that the baddie interacted with another player in a kind of jokey, or OT way.
RegPos means that the scummeister agreed with something this player said.
StrongPos means that the goblin said that they trust a player, or that a player is innocent.
RegNeg means that the evil sonuvagun disagreed with something this player said.
StrongNeg means that the mean Mr. Mustard said that this player is suspicious, or possibly bad.
Voted means that the commie bastard voted to lynch this player.

If you can point out any specific instance in which I mistakenly labeled something, be my guest, but I think that my criteria was easy to follow, and impartial.

fingersplints wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

fingersplints wrote:I'm voting inh [/] A large part of me wants to vote Vomps for admitting that he has not even bothered to read the thread, but I have to stick with my stronger suspicion.

linki with a bunch of stuff but gonna post before I read anyways

Can I have an explanation?

ok

fingersplints wrote:

fingersplints wrote:

kneel4justice wrote: Well, what made me suspicious of INH was how he handled Juliets in the beginning of the game. It felt like he was trying to force her into looking bad. I forget exactly what he said but it was regarding her comment on lower posters.
Aside from that, he is someone who was in FZ's suspicion post but she wouldn't really go further with it. I still think that FZ suspected at least one team member having defended MP and ignored Eloh.

Ok thanks. I felt like inh took juliets comments personally but I didn't think he was suspicious because of that, though you could be right and he was trying to paint her as bad. (which team was juliets killed by? could be since the suspicion of her didn't take to kill her instead?)
I don't remember inh in regards to FZ though I did notice and mention that MP did defend him which I found a bit suspicious.

Checking back some juliets was killed by the town goblins.
INH was trying hard to get people to only look at those MP and FZ didn't mention (even made a spreadsheet about it.) while I think it's possible for him to be on either team, I think its more likely he's the last of the Moira goblins.

Boogs wrote:Yeah I will add the ones who jump on me easily because quite frankly, THAT's what baddies do and it's easy.

thellama73 wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote: The point is that your gut vote for Vomps is a perfect and fishy cover. Vomps defended mongoose against you, and she was good. Vomps claimed you were bad, and now he's dead. It was his fault he was an easy target, but it's the baddies fault he was targeted.

Or it is the fault of civs like me who can't tell when Vomps is good or bad because he makes no effort. You don't know that any baddies even voted for Vomps (unless you are one yourself.)

fingersplints wrote:I'm voting inh [/] A large part of me wants to vote Vomps for admitting that he has not even bothered to read the thread, but I have to stick with my stronger suspicion.

linki with a bunch of stuff but gonna post before I read anyways

reywaS wrote:define "Actually, define "played." "

Vompatti wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:OK, let's run down the possibilities here.

1. Mongoose is Smaug.

This is a possibility, but not an extremely strong one. If Mongoose survives a second lynch, this would look much more likely.

2. Mongoose has a role with secrets that protects her from a lynch.

Another possibility, but not large enough to dissuade me from voting her.

3. Mongoose is civ, saved herself, but was told not to state how she was saved.

Mongoose is about to possibly get lynched over this, I think she would spill the beans at this point.

4. Mongoose was saved by her team or BTSC partner.

This seems the most likely to me, but there are multiple teams at play here. Of course, she could be from the Goblin Town Goblins, but also the Wood Elves. I'd prefer to get rid of the former, but wouldn't beat myself up too bad if we got the latter. There are a couple of civ roles that give BTSC, but I feel like Mongoose would at least hint if that was the case. Some may ask why the baddies would save a teammate in such an obvious way. I think that they are trying to frame her as Smaug.

I'm going to vote for Mongoose. Whether she survives or not, we'll learn a lot.

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