The Syndicate

juliets wrote:
Elohcin wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:By the way: Elo, please keep playing with your more aggressive playstyle. at least try it once as a civvie. I think if you do that, you'll be more aware of your tells that some people picked up on in this game. I liked your style this game! Even if I heavily suspected that you were a baddie
Thank you for the encouragement, TH. I was really hoping to be civ this game so my "more aggressive" playstyle wouldn't be seen as my baddie playstyle. :/ But it is what it is.

I was not upset that I was being lynched. I was upset about how I got lynched. It seemed to me (and I have previous BTSC experiences that help form my opinion) that certain players will choose to stand by their RL friends no matter what team they are on in Mafia. I understand people may play and vote as they please. However IMO, we ought to leave RL relationships out of it as much as possible. If I believed Epi is bad, you better bet I am going after him
Eloh, I couldn't agree more.

Amen.

Made you an avatar:

You're like flipping Keyser Soyze.

*slow clap*

Wow, you played us all like fiddles.

I'm going to take the fact that you left me alive as a compliment, and move on.

Fantastic game Epig! FZ, you were great in this game, and bea hanged on for as long as she could. Good job to everyone.

So, I was Madmartigan. On Night 1, I protected Andrew. On Night 2, I protected myself. I kept on following this pattern, other player, myself, other player, myself. This means that after SVS was eliminated, I was safe from any NK's. I desperately wanted Kael to NK me, but I'm assuming she just caught on to what I was doing

Epignosis wrote:
FZ. wrote:Can we just end the game now?
Can a fella get his chicken in the oven?

Jesus, Epig this is a family friendly game!

Bye bea. Early lynch post maybe?

FZ. wrote:I'm kidding INH, I'm going with you. I've just done really badly this game in terms of guessing the baddies, lol, that I feel Bea deserves to win this too. Yesterday, I was telling myself to trust my thoughts on Bea when I said she wasn't really pointing fingers back in the first few days of the game. Somehow, I let her lull me into false trustworthiness...
I pried myself in being good at finding baddies, but I really sucked this game.

Anyway, I'm with you.

Thank you!

FZ. wrote:By the way, INH, I love the quote you have in your signature. Is it for real? Did you actually host that game or was it a joke?

It hasn't happened yet, and it is most definitely for real.

See this thread if you want to be the co-host:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... ?f=8&t=345

FZ. wrote:Hehe, now, whoever wants to convince me to go with them, is more than welcome

FZ, I've fought tooth and nail in order to win this game. I'm notoriously challenged at mafia. I've been playing for 2 and half years, and I can count the amount of times I have won on my fingers. I've put more effort into going over and re-reading certain people than I have in any game. I even made a spreadsheet for christ's sake. I never make a spreadsheet. If you look at the who posted window, I've posted 80 times, second only to you. Bea, I love you, but I feel like I put in more effort to further my team's goals. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

Unless FZ either turns on me out of the blue, which I don't think that she would do, or if FZ is playing one of the best baddie games I have ever seen, (I wouldn't even be mad) we pretty much have this in the bag.

Well, feces. Bea, you son of a Gunderson.

Epig! I'm assuming that BWT was a modkill?

DharmaHelper wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Well, the way I see it Burglekutt has decided today for me? So, I don't necessarily deserve to win with the rest of you guys but here's my two cents:

Unless FZ's vote was forced to SVS the time he voted for her first, I don't think he's the last mafia. That makes bea the one you guys should lynch. Though INH wins either way I suspect, so good luck.
You still think I'm Burgle? Even after FZ is trying her hardest to hint like crazy that she is? Anyway, I'm going with you.
If you're not burglekutt then that eliminates any reservation I have about voting for you :/
May I ask why you want to vote for me?
Because if you're not burglekutt then that makes either you or bea the last mafia?

Why do you trust FZ?

DharmaHelper wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:Well, the way I see it Burglekutt has decided today for me? So, I don't necessarily deserve to win with the rest of you guys but here's my two cents:

Unless FZ's vote was forced to SVS the time he voted for her first, I don't think he's the last mafia. That makes bea the one you guys should lynch. Though INH wins either way I suspect, so good luck.
You still think I'm Burgle? Even after FZ is trying her hardest to hint like crazy that she is? Anyway, I'm going with you.
If you're not burglekutt then that eliminates any reservation I have about voting for you :/

May I ask why you want to vote for me?

DharmaHelper wrote:Well, the way I see it Burglekutt has decided today for me? So, I don't necessarily deserve to win with the rest of you guys but here's my two cents:

Unless FZ's vote was forced to SVS the time he voted for her first, I don't think he's the last mafia. That makes bea the one you guys should lynch. Though INH wins either way I suspect, so good luck.

You still think I'm Burgle? Even after FZ is trying her hardest to hint like crazy that she is? Anyway, I'm going with you.

Has anyone even told BWT he is in this game?

Yeah, this is very weird. Why NK MM now, when he was probably going to be lynched tomorrow? Did Kael think he had an important role? Was it some odd misguided attempt to put suspicion on me? Was it just random? Did DH not find him funny, what the flibberty gibbet is going on here?

That was really weird. RIP MM, I'm sorry.

FZ. wrote:This is really frustrating because I can't base judgements on nothing. I need people to state their opinion. I'm interested in what Bea thinks now that Sorsha who she voted for twice in a row was found to be a civvie.

INH, you said Bea wouldn't have voted for Kate if she wanted to look good, but if it was between Kate and herself, would she vote for someone else and get lynched to look good? How would that help her if she got lynched? I'm still not following that logic. The problem with Bea is that I haven't seen many suspicions from her during the game. She did vote for SVS, but that means nothing to me, because if I see a fellow baddie going down, I will vote for them too. Still, the lynch before the last one makes me doubt she could be the baddie.

Ok, so let's assume bea's bad. There's seven votes. Three of which are going to Kate. The other three go to bea. Bea has to decide what to vote. If she votes Kate, she gives up her cover, and will most likely be eliminated the next day. If she votes for a different option, she has a 50% chance of not being lynched, and her cover isn't blown. She lives to see another few days. That's a scenario that I think is possible.

Then there is DH who is again, doing nothing. If someone wanted to look good, DH is the person who would look best, because his reasons for voting Bea were "to save Kate", and like I said before I thought Sorsha was the last baddie, if he was the baddie, he defended the known civvie and no one could blame him for that. Also, all his actions are reactive, as he always says things in reaction to others and not on his own. I don't know how he plays as a baddie or as a civvie, so I don't know if he's usually like this.

Usually he's a talkative instigator, always one of the top posters in a thread, and spearhead's a lot of lynches. That's why his playstyle in this game is very suspicious.

Lastly, MM, who I said was my now top suspect. Well, I'm not sure. If he's the baddie, I'm sure he came on just to see the results and make sure he wasn't being lynched. As a civvie, wouldn't you expect him to let us know he won't be here? As a baddie, he could use it as a safety net if things were going in his favor.

I'm not really getting what you are saying here, could you go into more detail?

I think it's still between DH and MM for me.
There's still Burgle in the game. I think that if the three discussed won't give some explanations by the time Burgle sends in his night PM, he should just force the others to vote for who is doing the least to help

INH, I think one of us will be the target of tonight, because it's pretty obvious the others are more suspicious, so they will be kept alive.
Do you still think it's MM?

Out of the three still alive, he's the one I find suspicious the most.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Metalmarsh

MM is the most under the radar quiet player in the game right now. Looking over his post history for the game, he was one of the people who rushed Llama out of the game, and then subtly defended SVS until he couldn't anymore. He missed a few polls exactly when he needed to, and other then that has been mostly a ghost. He's the guy that I find most suspicious, and who I am probably going to vote for tomorrow.
Is that because I listed you as my top suspect the other day?

Nice deflect. For those wondering, here's his "case" on me, and my response to it.

insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Kate wrote:Are we sure this is a good thing?
No idea. Another reason for voting INH.
Are you saying he's your least trusted?
Yes. It's doubtful that all three baddies voted Dom on day 1, which would clear you and Kate (and birdwithteeth of course). That leaves juliets (Andrew), bea, DH, INH, Sorsha, and myself. SVS was being defensive early in the game and was called out for it. In response, she attempted to make a case on INH here. This could be seen as distancing.

To be fair though, I have not looked at any of the other players on the above list.
So, to be clear, your case on me is that I didn't vote to lynch a civ, and the baddie leader made a case on me.

Note that in none of the reasons I listed to why I find you suspicious, I didn't mention this. This is because I try to look at the game objectively. Even if a guy is campaigning after lynching me hard, I'm still going to give them an objective review not factoring any suspicions towards me into it.

Also, RIP Sorsha.

My thoughts on the remaining players, in no particular order:

FZ (Note: I'm going to refer to you as a she out of convenience. I've briefly looked at some of the games you played, and I couldn't find a gender guide. I know that this is kind of a big thing for some people, and I apologize if I get it wrong.)

I was never sold on a lot of her reasoning for ruling out certain players. I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt, and trust her on Sorsha. We all just saw how that turned out. I'm leaning towards confused civvie about her more than misleading baddie. I think I see what role she was hinting at being, and if she is in fact that role, I hope that she realizes that she has a far better chance of winning with the civvies.

Dharmahelper

DH has been kind of a non-entity this game, which you may notice as being a trend among the players left. By his own standards, DH is practically comatose. FZ stated in one of her assessments that she thinks that if he was bad, then he would be more active. I have the opposite opinion about the last baddie. I think he or she is probably bored of the game by now. All of his/her teammates are gone, and (s)he doesn't have that big of a chance of winning. I'm not about to rule DH out.

Bea

Bea has been one of the more hotly debated players, while staying out these debates herself. FZ states that if she was bad, she would have voted for herself on Day 5. I counter with the fact that maybe she just didn't want to out herself. I don't like how quiet she is being, but she does at least have an excuse, which is more than I can say for the next player...

Metalmarsh

MM is the most under the radar quiet player in the game right now. Looking over his post history for the game, he was one of the people who rushed Llama out of the game, and then subtly defended SVS until he couldn't anymore. He missed a few polls exactly when he needed to, and other then that has been mostly a ghost. He's the guy that I find most suspicious, and who I am probably going to vote for tomorrow.

Birdwithteeth

Hello? Are you still out there? Please come back to the thread, I'd love to hear what you have on all of this. I'm going to vote for you, as you're the only confirmed civ here.

TL;DR MM is my top suspect, but bea and DH have an eyebrow raised from me.

Going with Sorsha, hope FZ's right about this.

FZ. wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
FZ. wrote:INH, who do you think the last baddie is?
I'm really not sure, but I do feel like a Sorsha lynch would be informative. Unless someone can show me another decent case, that's what I'm probably going to go with.
In what way will it be informative? I think that if everyone votes for her and she's a civvie, we learn nothing. I just really think she's not.

It means that I'm trusting you on this. If Sorsha is bad, then congrats for sniffing her out, the game is over. If Sorsha is civ, then I'm probably going to very suspicious of you.

FZ. wrote:INH, who do you think the last baddie is?

I'm really not sure, but I do feel like a Sorsha lynch would be informative. Unless someone can show me another decent case, that's what I'm probably going to go with.

Welcome BWT, can't wait to hear what you think of all this nonsense.

FZ. wrote:And I'm ruling the others out because all of us were here voting, and if two civvies were on the verge of being lynched, the one who had the most to gain by not voting was the baddie

I feel like that's some weak reasoning for ruling out MM and DH, but out of the five, (including you) I probably find Sorsha the most suspicious. I'm willing to see what develops out of that.

FZ. wrote:
I know I'm not the baddie, and I assume you know this too, and it's not INH either. I am 99% it's not DH or MM which again, leaves Bea and Sorsha.
Now, if Bea was really the baddie, she would have voted for Kate and call it self preservation. At the time she voted, she didn't know I would vote for Kate, so if she wanted to stay alive she would have done that (because she probably assumed I wouldn't be voting for Kate).
Sorsha, on the other hand, had nothing to lose by not voting, and I don't buy the fell asleep claim, it's too damn convenient.

Why are you ruling out DH and MM? Also, if bea was bad, and she then voted for Kate, that would have seemed too suspicious. I'm not really sure if that defense really works.

DharmaHelper wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
DharmaHelper wrote:The no double targeting rule leads me to think INH is Burgle, if that wasn't immediately clear in my skepticism.
Wait

Looking at the roles, Burgle forces three people to vote for a certain person. If this hypothesis is correct, and I was Burgle, then there should have been a fourth vote. There wasn't.

Burglekutt
The bully landlord. Each Night, he can command two people to vote the same person the next Day. If Burglekutt isn’t satisfied (the person didn’t get lynched), he may steal the Night power of either of his targets for the Next night. Wins by surviving so long as Willow and Bavmorda are both dead.
Looks like someone forgot to read while coming up with a cover-defense.

Well, I misread that. So, I'm assuming that this means that either I, metal, or FZ is burgle? It's not me, if that's what you are getting at.

There's only one baddie left, and 4 civvies. Who do you think burgle is going to side with? Epi, now that Burgle as won, does he have to use his power?

DharmaHelper wrote:The no double targeting rule leads me to think INH is Burgle, if that wasn't immediately clear in my skepticism.

Wait

Looking at the roles, Burgle forces three people to vote for a certain person. If this hypothesis is correct, and I was Burgle, then there should have been a fourth vote. There wasn't.

SOME NOT FAMILY FRIENDLY LANGUAGE IN THE VIDEO BELOW

idiots

Epignosis wrote:
Day 5: Did You See What She Did? She Stole Our Blackroot.

Kate had taken everyone’s blackroot, and the others had had enough. They picked her up and threw her into the lake, and poor Kate couldn’t swim. She couldn’t even stand up in it even though it was fairly shallow water.

Kate has been lynched. She was Willow Ufgood.

How the flying flip did that flipping happen? God spam it you motherlynchers!

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Sorsha wrote:I don't see how a Kate vote would make sense. Inh... Do you think Kate vs Elo was baddie vs baddie?

Nope

Kate wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:I'm voting Kate because why not
Really?

I'm voting Kate because why not

juliets wrote:lolol - worth it!

Not 100% sure what this means, but RIP.

I'll take it guys.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Kate wrote:Are we sure this is a good thing?
No idea. Another reason for voting INH.
Are you saying he's your least trusted?
Yes. It's doubtful that all three baddies voted Dom on day 1, which would clear you and Kate (and birdwithteeth of course). That leaves juliets (Andrew), bea, DH, INH, Sorsha, and myself. SVS was being defensive early in the game and was called out for it. In response, she attempted to make a case on INH here. This could be seen as distancing.

To be fair though, I have not looked at any of the other players on the above list.

So, to be clear, your case on me is that I didn't vote to lynch a civ, and the baddie leader made a case on me.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Kate wrote:Are we sure this is a good thing?
No idea. Another reason for voting INH.

Thanks guys.

I'll throw Kate a vote.

Ok, I'm going to go get ready for dinner, after which I'm going to look into and try to form a case on a certain player.

FZ. wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:There's nothing in the roles about surviving a lynch that I spotted on a quick glance, so perhaps someone won a lynch save as a prize in a poll?

Also, seriously Epi? There's a lot of lynch manipulation in this game.
Wait, what? Why are you saying that?

insertnamehere wrote:Oh wait, I only saw the Night 4 post, and assumed Elo survived the lynch. But wow, Kate. You seemingly pulled that case out of thin air. Info perhaps?

I still don't think that you are the role you claim you are, but I don't think that you are a baddie or an indie.

Oh wait, I only saw the Night 4 post, and assumed Elo survived the lynch. But wow, Kate. You seemingly pulled that case out of thin air. Info perhaps?

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