The Syndicate

bea wrote:

insertnamehere wrote: I think Gatiss is helping him with that on Sherlock.

Gatiss needs to man up tbh. Moff needs a heavy hand to deal with. Gatiss has been my fav part of Moff's Who if that means anything to anyone. :P

bea wrote:

nutella wrote:SPOILERS FOR HIS LAST VOW

As for the misogyny discussion, WATCH ELEMENTARY. ALL OF YOU. IT IS SO GOOD. In comparison with Elementary, which has prominent and badass female characters (as well as more POC characters), BBC Sherlock can be called misogynistic But as for me, I LOVE both shows. It is possible to be a fan of both. Let me tell you, Elementary is AWESOME.

I haven't yet seen the new sherlock. - So I snipped all that. But I have to say, I agree with LA. Elementary is very engaging! I like it a lot. I was unsure at first and just gave it a try and it grew on me. Like lots. I love so much about this show.


As for Moff. Well....he's Moff. He did some really great things with Dr. Who - that said, I think that most of the great things he does - writing wise are plot driven. And that's where "the problem that is Moff" comes into play. He's awesome at plot. He's the master behind such great Dr. Who episodes as Blink and The Girl In The Fireplace. They are VERY plot driven episodes. It worked when he wrote for RTD because RTD was so very CHARACTER driven as a writer. They balanced each other out.


linki - INH - I'm not a fan of her either, but she brings an intersting earthiness to the show. Also - what I like about Elementary, is that it does not at all hide Holmes' drug addiction. It plays on it. I do think that is a central part of Holmes and becoming a non-smoker is NOT the same as being a serious drug addict. This is coming from someone who a) still smokes and b) gave up more than one drug.


The problem with Moff is now, it feels like he lacks balance. He lacks the character side to work with his plot driven writing. He needs a RTD, tbh.

Hedgeowl wrote:I am partly skimming this thread for fear of ruining everything, but here's my link contribution, now that I now who Moffat is. Sounds like a douche.

http://www.dailydot.com/opinion/steven- ... octor-who/

So I thought, use this massively exciting, rather handsome man who could see right through your heart and have no interest ... of course, he's going to be a sex god! I think we pitched that character right. I think our female fan base all believe that they'll be the one to melt that glacier. They're all wrong -- nothing will melt that glacier.

Moffat is happy that while women may fuss about equal treatment, deep down all they want is to “be the one.”

"Well, the world is vastly counted in favour of men at every level - except if you live in a civilised country and you’re sort of educated and middle-class, because then you’re almost certainly junior in your relationship and in a state of permanent, crippled apology. Your preferences are routinely mocked. There’s a huge, unfortunate lack of respect for anything male."

nutella wrote:SPOILERS FOR HIS LAST VOW

OK, seriously, you can't assume that M is somehow resurrected means bring bak 2 lyfe. There's absolutely no way. So clearly he just had set up some elaborate plan before his death. Like he made the videos, and told someone who worked for him to release them when a certain event triggers (most obvious being Sherlock leaving). And my thinking is that whoever that someone is will become a new villain with their own motives.

nutella wrote:SPOILERS FOR HIS LAST VOW

OK, seriously, you can't assume that M is somehow resurrected means bring bak 2 lyfe. There's absolutely no way. So clearly he just had set up some elaborate plan before his death. Like he made the videos, and told someone who worked for him to release them when a certain event triggers (most obvious being Sherlock leaving). And my thinking is that whoever that someone is will become a new villain with their own motives.


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As for the misogyny discussion, WATCH ELEMENTARY. ALL OF YOU. IT IS SO GOOD. In comparison with Elementary, which has prominent and badass female characters (as well as more POC characters), BBC Sherlock can be called misogynistic But as for me, I LOVE both shows. It is possible to be a fan of both. Let me tell you, Elementary is AWESOME.

Dom wrote:I've not seen that about Mrs. Hudson, the exotic dancing bit, I don't think. Nor have I seen Molly slap Sherlock around. Either way, Moffat is a misogynist in his writing on Who, whether it transfers to Sherlock is up for debate-- and a more intelligent one when I've actually watched the third episode of season three. But I will say Sherlock is less sexist than Doctor Who has become.

Dom wrote:In Sherlock this is less pronounced because the structures of the shoes are different but you'll notice that of the four main characters (Sherlock, John, Lestrade, and Mycroft) are men. The two female characters (Molly and Mrs. Hudson) serve traditional female roles. Mrs. Hudson is an essential housewife and Molly (through the first two seasons) is basically an assistant who fawns over Sherlock. There is the problem of the line I mentioned.
Now I haven't seen His Last Vow yet, but I'd love to address that episode later.
Moffat is a shitty writer that does great with short bursts like Sherlock. He does not give his characters consequences. No one dies, and when they do there is either no grief or there is a way out.

Lizzy wrote:Misogynistic? Why is no-one bothered by the fact that Molly slaps Sherlock friggin' thrice in a row? If it were the other way around, well, you don't need me to tell you what the reaction would be. Molly slapping the shit out of Sherlock is just funny.

Butttttttttttttttt, I loved loved loved the way they built CAM and the portrayal was extraordinary. I just hated the fact that they had to kill him and the fashion in which they chose to do it. :\

Dom wrote: Just one example of his misogynistic attitude would be this line from The Sign Of Three, "John, control your wife."
And no one says anything. Mary looks annoyed, but John doesn't. It was just something that could be said. And the same type of thing happens in Doctor Who in pretty much every episode. Companions are, once again, the accessory to the Doctor rather than characters. Moffat writes women as accessories and not characters.

Dom wrote:I genuinely love the show, but Moffat sucks at writing, tbh. He is misogynistic and cannot commit to anything. He does the same things in Doctor Who. I haven't yet watched the third episode, but was spoiled. (Don't worry, I don't really care after being spoiled for some of the last episodes of LOST--nothing matters).

Hedgeowl wrote:Thank you for the incredibly large spoilers warning. I am posting without reading your comment. Sherlock starts in the states soon, so excited to see the new season!