The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2018 3:16 pm I received a wicked package today, which brought along some nice memories.

What'd you think of Luciferian Towers?

sig wrote:

Golden wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think sig and Scotty are both suspicious and should be pressured.

I won't be around much, if at all, the rest of the day.

I am unfortunately in the same boat.

Why?

I've been called suspicious a few times already, by Golden, MP, and 3J yet none have given any reason for this read. Are you gut reading me as bad? Is it my posts? I find your lack of explanation disturbing.

welcome to donald trump's america.

Players can now lynch other players simply because they don't fit into their POE. They don't even need a thread-based reason!

frankly I find it kind of funny that you and MP are losing your minds over it.

is this Blue Vs. Red Mafia? because this all has the whiff of e-mails to it.

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:these are some aggressively mediocre reads, tbh.

it's almost like GTH reads can be pretty stupid early on in the game.

What sort of things do you think a typical baddie might do on Day 1?

Play like they usually would as a civilian, except while townreading their own teammates, explicitly or otherwise.

So is there anything in particular you are looking out for today? Loosely justified town reads, perhaps?

Definitely that.

Also I feel like there's a glut of, to borrow a term, content that is swirling around, based mostly on semantics and the usual Day 0 nonsense. Except, this Day 0 nonsense is being treated as news-of-the-world, insanely important stuff that is being beaten bloody like the rotting horse corpse it is. It's hard for me to read all of this and not see it as misdirection and intentional confusion on some level, especially when the main targets seem to be sig, BWT, and Scotty, who may as well change their avatars to bullzeyes for how they are usually treated.

This isn't good content.

It's, like, American cable news content.

Just rehashing and obsessing and poking at nothing.

So you are okay with Scotty repeatedly ignoring that he has been asked to clarify one seeming contradiction in a post he made?

I looked at the smoking gun contradiction that everyone's so bloody worked up about: it's semantics stuff.

I don't care about Scotty's post, and frankly, if I were him I'd be annoyed to be pressed on it so much. I'd just assume people realized it was a dumb mistake.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Scotty

Answer my concerns. I have now asked you three times. Sloonei has twice. Stop ignoring me.

Scotty: new phone who dis

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:these are some aggressively mediocre reads, tbh.

it's almost like GTH reads can be pretty stupid early on in the game.

What sort of things do you think a typical baddie might do on Day 1?

Play like they usually would as a civilian, except while townreading their own teammates, explicitly or otherwise.

So is there anything in particular you are looking out for today? Loosely justified town reads, perhaps?

Definitely that.

Also I feel like there's a glut of, to borrow a term, content that is swirling around, based mostly on semantics and the usual Day 0 nonsense. Except, this Day 0 nonsense is being treated as news-of-the-world, insanely important stuff that is being beaten bloody like the rotting horse corpse it is. It's hard for me to read all of this and not see it as misdirection and intentional confusion on some level, especially when the main targets seem to be sig, BWT, and Scotty, who may as well change their avatars to bullzeyes for how they are usually treated.

This isn't good content.

It's, like, American cable news content.

Just rehashing and obsessing and poking at nothing.

MovingPictures07 wrote:sig, all due respect, don't take my response as rude. It isn't intended that way. I just cannot possibly disagree with you more on that matter; it is unfathomable to me that anyone could think that the current activity for this game is bad for the town.

Furthermore, I didn't ask Boomslang for accurate or true reads. I find it suspicious that you are misconstruing my post as that, especially in conjunction with the fact that you say you don't like it but you don't mafia read it. I was trying to get a feel for him. I still am. I am with everyone. Reads cannot be even remotely accurate if no one pokes anyone else. I am trying to get reads on everyone I can; that's how you play the game of mafia. I think that's been a running theme in my posts, so for you to interpret my post the way that you did (saying that no one can have accurate reads) is outwardly misrepresentation or misunderstanding, and I'm inclined to believe the former at the moment.

MovingPictures07 wrote:I think sig and Scotty are both suspicious and should be pressured.

I won't be around much, if at all, the rest of the day.

I agree with everything sig has said about how the amount of content based on what I perceive to be little to no substance could easily be used to confuse and mislead the town.

Why don't you suspect me for having this opinion, which I've repeatedly stated, if you suspect sig for having it?

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sig wrote:Sloonie I see what he is doing as early day 1 reads. So he might not be taking a strong stance, but I don't think that is alignment indicating. I also don't want to lynch bwt today since he always seems to get lynched early and rarely (if ever) is mafia when lynched day 1/2

MovingPictures07 wrote:Hey Boomslang, have my vote. Convince me you're town. What are your current reads and why? They don't have to be anything substantial by any means.

I don't like this post, not saying it is a mafia post or pingy I just don't like it. We have just started day 1 how many accurate and true reads can you have at this point? In fact i'd be more suspicious of people who have any strong reads since it would imply buddying/mafia town reading people they think are town.

I feel like we are moving way to quickly for a day 1 and that it could cause harm to town in mid game.

insertnamehere wrote:at this point, I'm waiting for the actual game to start, because reading into this pre-game nonsense is giving me nothing.

I actually agree with this, I've read day 0 and have gotten very little from it so far.

You can not like it; I don't care. I'm trying to generate content.

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, INH, if you think the "fellow" and similar accusations are bunk, how does that develop into your reads about Dom, etc.? Are they being genuine? Do the accusations appear faked?

There's a lot of gold to be mined in this thread.

I think your original comment was irrelevant.

I think Dom's comment about your comment was irrelevant.

I think your comment about Dom's comment about your comment was irrelevant.

Maybe I'm just not the skilled prospector you are, but all I can see is a bunch of manure with not a single fleck of yellow to be found.

What would constitute relevant content in this game of mafia?

Comments about votes, nightkills, and other game mechanics.

Semantics about word choice and knee-jerk defensiveness, less so.

It's a bunch of white noise, and I'm trying to cut through it.

Sloonei wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:these are some aggressively mediocre reads, tbh.

it's almost like GTH reads can be pretty stupid early on in the game.

What sort of things do you think a typical baddie might do on Day 1?

Play like they usually would as a civilian, except while townreading their own teammates, explicitly or otherwise.

sig wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Jay, can you give me a rainbow? I'd like a rainbow.

How about gun to heads? That'd be more useful to me right now.

A Person -- bad
BWT -- good
Boomslang -- bad
Dom -- good
DrWilgy -- good
Epignosis -- good
Golden -- good
INH -- good
LoRab -- bad
MM -- good
MP -- good
ninja -- good
Scotty -- bad
sig -- bad
Sloonei -- good
timmer -- good
Trice -- good
Vomps -- good

I don't like this GTH reads from 3J, his baddie reads are low hanging fruits and most are currently low posters.

Aperson/Lorab 2
Sig 4
Boomslang 16
Scotty 24

This is our break down, now I haven't read enough to have a read on Boom or Scotty, but if A-person/Lorab/myself is being pursued to get lynched I would look very closely at whoever is trying to set up our lynches since there is no evidence one way or another and lynching a low poster on day one when we already have 15 pages is a good place to throw a day 1 vote if you're mafia.

these are some aggressively mediocre reads, tbh.

it's almost like GTH reads can be pretty stupid early on in the game.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, INH, if you think the "fellow" and similar accusations are bunk, how does that develop into your reads about Dom, etc.? Are they being genuine? Do the accusations appear faked?

There's a lot of gold to be mined in this thread.

I think your original comment was irrelevant.

I think Dom's comment about your comment was irrelevant.

I think your comment about Dom's comment about your comment was irrelevant.

Maybe I'm just not the skilled prospector you are, but all I can see is a bunch of manure with not a single fleck of yellow to be found.

Well, you're just as entitled to that assessment as I am to any of mine. You could be right. I do agree with you with respect to Dom's prodding of me that it was a harmless word and just a manner of my silly way of talking, so the line of suspicion was confusing to me, but accusations need to fly out somehow. I can at least respect that Dom threw it out there.

Do you have any thoughts on any of the other discussions or reads floating around right now? What about Sloonei's observations regarding JJJ's language?

If I had any other major thoughts, I'd share them.

3J's a mystery to me, I don't think I've actually played a game with him as a baddie, so I'm not quite sure what to expect. I don't really fall one way or the other as far as Sloonei. All I'm gonna say is that, barring a major slip, I'd never suspect 3J at Day 0.

Then again, that seems like the only possible time you can actually ISO the gregarious chucklehead.

Alrighty, I have to go to sleep, so any further interrogatives will have to be postponed.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Golden wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:This feels like had-too-much-sugar-and-caffeine MP, which I haven't seen, maybe ever.

There is still a person left on the planet who hadn't seen had-too-much-sugar-and-caffeine MP!

(This is the only MP I know).

I know, right??

Wait a minute, INH, I know I've watched you play since you've come back... when is the last time we even played a game together? Has it really been so long that my playstyle and activity have changed that much?

We were in Mad Max together.

I've gotten used to partially-distracted-by-real-life MP, that is either a reasonable scapegoat, or an absent professor.

Mayhaps I've been too compliant.

I'm not offended by your gameplay, MP, but I do think it's worth noting.

You want really damn hard to be seen as Supatown.

Doesn't mean you aren't Supatown, but still.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:Other than that it seems people are reading people based on their reads on other people which are based on other people's reads.

I think you just defined the game called Mafia.

Except with no actual lynches or nightkills, so it's like a bunch of people locked inside of a small broom closet accusing each other of not meaning that they don't think the other person means what they say they mean. See what I mean?

I haven't picked up on any major slips.

All I see is a bunch of stuff that, yeah, I guess if you maybe looked at it from this angle could mean something, but is still unclear. And people are obsessing themselves silly over it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Furthermore, INH, if you think the "fellow" and similar accusations are bunk, how does that develop into your reads about Dom, etc.? Are they being genuine? Do the accusations appear faked?

There's a lot of gold to be mined in this thread.

I think your original comment was irrelevant.

I think Dom's comment about your comment was irrelevant.

I think your comment about Dom's comment about your comment was irrelevant.

Maybe I'm just not the skilled prospector you are, but all I can see is a bunch of manure with not a single fleck of yellow to be found.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:If I had to pick a title of a Shakespeare play to describe the game so far, I'd have to go with Much Ado About Nothing.

Well, that or Henry VI, Part 1, purely based on the staggering amount of posts you people are spitting out.

Most are based after, the before mentioned Nothing, with the use of the word "fellow" and "just not trying hard enough" being the onuses of some particularly ridiculous stuff.

The game's now sort of collapsed into a hall of mirrors where everyone seems obsessed with everyone's reads on each other despite the fact that the only person who has done something is MP, who burst out of the gate and attempted to wrest control of the thread. Other than that it seems people are reading people based on their reads on other people which are based on other people's reads.

Going back to MP, if he didn't have the ol' POE shield to hide behind, I'd consider him my top suspicion. But, I find everything about the POE strategy suspicious and wrong, so my entire barometer's completely out of whack. I'm not exactly sure who elected him king of the thread, I must have missed that Day 0 poll, but he's sure acting like it what with the demands that people meet his standards of play and constant announcements about his own personal POE rankings which are mostly irrelevant to anyone that doesn't actively suspect him due to the fact that NOBODY ELSE IS USING POE IN THIS GAME. That, plus THE LARGE AMOUNT OF SECRETS AND CHICANERY INVOLVED IN THIS GAME MAKE POE STUPID EVEN BY POE STANDARDS. but hey, whatever floats your boat.

...I'm not even sure what to say to any of this, but I'll try:

I'm the only one who's done something, but you find me suspicious for it? Why?

And why are my thoughts irrelevant? Don't you care about my thoughts and reads so that you can make some attempt to discern whether I am being genuine or not?

At this point, I'm not even sure I find you suspicious. You're the person I feel the most aggressively ambivalent about, if that makes sense.

I don't think your thoughts are irrelevant, but I do think you are tooting your own horn a little much. I know your name's on the site and all, but it is feeling kind of like you are forcibly trying to sieze control of the thread, and "solve the game" by reading into as much as humanly possible, and aggressively interrogating everyone. Given that I don't think very much of note has actually occured in the thread, it does feel like you are intentionally causing a bit of a frenzy.

This feels like had-too-much-sugar-and-caffeine MP, which I haven't seen, maybe ever.

If I had to pick a title of a Shakespeare play to describe the game so far, I'd have to go with Much Ado About Nothing.

Well, that or Henry VI, Part 1, purely based on the staggering amount of posts you people are spitting out.

Most are based after, the before mentioned Nothing, with the use of the word "fellow" and "just not trying hard enough" being the onuses of some particularly ridiculous stuff.

The game's now sort of collapsed into a hall of mirrors where everyone seems obsessed with everyone's reads on each other despite the fact that the only person who has done something is MP, who burst out of the gate and attempted to wrest control of the thread. Other than that it seems people are reading people based on their reads on other people which are based on other people's reads.

Going back to MP, if he didn't have the ol' POE shield to hide behind, I'd consider him my top suspicion. But, I find everything about the POE strategy suspicious and wrong, so my entire barometer's completely out of whack. I'm not exactly sure who elected him king of the thread, I must have missed that Day 0 poll, but he's sure acting like it what with the demands that people meet his standards of play and constant announcements about his own personal POE rankings which are mostly irrelevant to anyone that doesn't actively suspect him due to the fact that NOBODY ELSE IS USING POE IN THIS GAME. That, plus THE LARGE AMOUNT OF SECRETS AND CHICANERY INVOLVED IN THIS GAME MAKE POE STUPID EVEN BY POE STANDARDS. but hey, whatever floats your boat.

at this point, I'm waiting for the actual game to start, because reading into this pre-game nonsense is giving me nothing.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I am townreading that highlighted bit. That sentiment is constructed in a manner that bluntly stated his beef; at face value, I believe him. Further, I like his last paragraph, because as a member of the mafia he could have easily used this conversation to derail or antagonize as a way to manipulate the thread, but he left it alone.

In summary, INH noted my declaration to use POE, noted a fair criticism of its approach in this game, then after engaging with me a bit further on it, clearly stated his beef with it, that he will be using a different method, and was willing to leave it at that. I see no nefarious avenue for the way he approached this situation, only a fellow member of the town sincerely expressing his concerns and approach to the game.

It's not much, but I think already the strategy conversation at least generated a potentially useful read. What do you think?

I think INH completely misinterpreted/misrepresented my perspective (I won't even be using much PoE myself in this game, he assumed the contrary based on I don't know what). That happens in every game we play together though so shrug. We seem to have some core inability to understand one another that has never ceased.

I think his stance on the issue suits his meta, which is a decent enough look so early in the game that there's nothing better to say.

Call it me getting too emotionally-invested in mafia, or me being simply too stubbornly self-righteous, but I genuinely despise getting mislynched as a civilian. Yes, I know nobody actually enjoys it, but I sometimes feel physically ill if I'm getting slaughtered in the thread for reasons I believe to be idiotic. That usually causes me to get worked up, usually to my own detriment. See: Max, Mad (where I ironically had a role where if I was lynched, I lost my ability to vote, but was more or less proven town. This lead to me leading a miserable existence surrounded by people who tried quite hard to lynch me, which caused me to randomize my vote and occasionally pop in to watch the fireworks, and beg to be nightkilled. Not one of my finer showings.)

I personally find game theory and the different permutations and situations it examines absolutely fascinating. Inventive and crazy game mechanics are why I play mafia- not because I'm good at reading people. This is why I'm trying to stick to mostly heavily experimental and, for lack of a better word, crazy games. (My favorite game of all time is Oblique Strategies, a bizarre lark of a game where I managed to convince members of a team I had to have dead to win to publicly out themselves and submit themselves to be lynched. So that tells you what my idea of a good mafia game is.)

The real reason I don't like POE is because I deeply fear a situation where I haven't been towncleared by the Supatown Collective Consciousness, and due to good ol' Process of Elimination have to be lynched. Unfortunately, my playing style is too non-showy and lacking bold play, and the votes pile up in my direction. No matter how much I scream and yell in the thread, I'm still seen as playing inferior to other people, and am told for my efforts that I should try harder at trying to catch baddies instead of bothering to defend myself, a concept which I find intrinsically offensive.

It's just far easier for me to see ways in which POE doesn't work, and many ways in which it could directly screw me over than it is for me to see ways in which it works perfectly.

Part of that is because I find declaring someone a civilian and someone a member of the mafia equally difficult. Unfortunately, my brain is inclined towards seeing people who are nice and respectful towards me, and play the same way, vote the same way, and act the same way as me as civilians, which is something I deliberately to counteract by being very apprehensive to give an actual townread. So the fact that MP has already decided to townread me completely confuzzles me.

In my reckoning, townreads should be under as much if not more scrutiny than scumreads, and are equally unreliable. I've been wrong many a time as a civilian about who I think is mafia, and I can only imagine that if I, personally, were to embrace the POE strategy, I would have an equal margin of error. But, if I misread one civilian as mafia, and get them lynched, that equals 1 dead civilian. If I misread one mafia as civilian, and I continue lynching people I don't view as civillians, that's far more possible net civ losses.

To bring this rambling discursive mini essay back to something approaching a cogent point, let me futher illustrate the quibble I have with this post from 3J, which I brushed over earlier:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is right that a cooperative PoE effort in a game where townies must survive to win is inherently challenged, because in games like this town reads are generally harder to come by. However, the only reason that's true is that townies are more hesitant to put forth a visible, vocal effort for fear of standing out and becoming kill targets. That problem is resolved if every townie puts forth a visible, vocal effort.

Maybe that's a pipe dream, but I would encourage the townies out there to still make a concerted effort to play for the town win condition as much as their own survival. To focus too much on survival ensures that the baddies benefit maximally from these rules as I would theorize they typically do. I think it's the #1 reason town won games so infrequently on this site until recently (as that rule has appeared less often).

Rico, please don't interpret this as a complaint. It's just advice.

Nobody, except for maybe Vompatti, (sorry vomps, luv u) signs up for a game not expecting to play to the best of their abilities. But, the fact of the matter is that people play differently. I'm skittish. I dislike jumping the gun, am apprehensive to make reads, and like to sit back and observe the thread instead of directly instigating it. That doesn't really jive with this:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:When I say I want townies to play for the town win condition, that means I want to see their reads. I want to see their suspicions. I want to see their cases.

Players who get very intensely into the game, like 3J, have no problem coming up with reads, cases, and suspicions. Those who are not necessarily as forthcoming with reads, cases, and suspicions could then be seen as not furthering the civ cause. Then, they have less evidence of their "civvieness" than their more post-happy counterparts. That's where POE breaks down for me.

You'd never see a player like (sorry to keep using you as an example; it's just too easy) Vompatti advocate for the use of POE. It's usually players who contribute heavily to the thread, and are confident in their ability to do so in the future.

It feels like a system that directly benefits the super active and punishes the lesser active, both of which being completely irrelevant to actual alignment. And stuff like this:

MovingPictures07 wrote:I want to town read you and Golden, but I cannot justify that quite yet

just makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up.

Anywho.

Is any of this relevant to GY!BE Mafia, and who I personally suspect? Fuck no. Hell, 3J is saying that he isn't using POE, which makes a large part of this essay irrelevant. But I feel like there's been some friction between me and 3J specifically, who continues to think my meta is contrarian gnat, and may try to lynch me the second I agree with him on something. It's a Jane Austen, socialite ladies slighting each other at dinner parties kind of friction, but still. I just wanted to vomit my thought out on this subject, just to get them clearly out there. After all, I'm just a soul whose intentions are good, oh lord, please don't let me be misunderstood.

Golden wrote:inh just volunteered to iso epi

Or to watch Epi iso someone else.

Epignosis wrote:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Townie is Such a Pussy Word

There is no wimpier word than "baddie".

You are Preaching to the Choir, Which is Wearing Robes Made by Unchristian Foreigners

I can't wait to see an ISO made out of this.

Sloonei wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Sloonei wrote:Not me, I suck.

Absolutely untrue.

You sir are a villain and a knave!

Seriously, if you are at all referring to Mad Max, you don't suck. Quin had me 100% fooled there too. You played admirably well.

Not at all! I'm wearing that banner with pride. Just nonsensical self-deprecation to start the game off.

what a coincidence, that's the exact same reason I'm wearing the banner.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I think INH is right that a cooperative PoE effort in a game where townies must survive to win is inherently challenged, because in games like this town reads are generally harder to come by. However, the only reason that's true is that townies are more hesitant to put forth a visible, vocal effort for fear of standing out and becoming kill targets. That problem is resolved if every townie puts forth a visible, vocal effort.

Maybe that's a pipe dream, but I would encourage the townies out there to still make a concerted effort to play for the town win condition as much as their own survival. To focus too much on survival ensures that the baddies benefit maximally from these rules as I would theorize they typically do. I think it's the #1 reason town won games so infrequently on this site until recently (as that rule has appeared less often).

Rico, please don't interpret this as a complaint. It's just advice.

Since we're in the "declaring game-long intentions" phase, let me just say that I am completely willing to put my own survival over the "playing for the town win condition," which I assume means following POE to the letter.

I am a civilian.

Keeping myself alive, and ensuring that people other than myself get lynched can only help the civilian cause.

I'm not willing to sacrifice my chance at winning so that you can cross my name off of your POE list, in order to further a strategy that I believe hurts the civilian cause.

I'd rather not get the entire thread bogged down in a playstyles argument over the merits of POE because that's a dead horse which has already rotted into a skeleton. POE type people are gonna POE, non-POE type people are not. I don't suspect or begrudge anyone for using POE, and I'd ask that they extend the same consideration for me to not use it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

insertnamehere wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've OT talked enough.

Although recently I've uncovered that POE naturally describes my recently developed playstyle because I much more easily find town reads than I do baddie reads, I've never formally used POE before.

I'll be using POE exclusively this game, and I'd like to approach it both as an individual (with my rainbow lists like I usually do) but as a group this time.

Who wants to join me?

Unfortunately, I'll have to abstain. Plus doing POE in such a mysterious, secret-filled game seems a little counterintuitive.

Also, all win conditions are mortality dependent, so lynching people you haven't managed to subjectively clear is going to kinda screw them over, unlike in past games like Red V. Blue, where you could win dead or alive. Civilians who are targeted by the POE cannon have literally no incentive to let themselves get lynched. It could easily get all Oblique Strategies pretty fast.

But hey, with you trying to figure out who's good, and me trying to figure out who's bad, we'll have the role list sorted by Day 3.

To narrow in on one point you made though (using sarcastic orange to highlight, not be sarcastic), although you make an excellent point, I think that makes the prospective use of POE all the more appealing in this setup. I would say a disadvantage to POE, especially when the thread at large is using it, is that it can potentially take away the incentive of scummy-seeming town players to want to defend themselves and remove themselves from the POE suspect pool.

I suppose instead of suspecting accused civilians for defending themselves, now everyone's gonna have to actually address people's defenses instead of blindly lynching who the loud ones are talking about.

But I still think it's an unreliable and dangerous method, and that's just my opinion, take it or leave it please don't lynch me because I don't want to go along with this.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Well, I've OT talked enough.

Although recently I've uncovered that POE naturally describes my recently developed playstyle because I much more easily find town reads than I do baddie reads, I've never formally used POE before.

I'll be using POE exclusively this game, and I'd like to approach it both as an individual (with my rainbow lists like I usually do) but as a group this time.

Who wants to join me?

Unfortunately, I'll have to abstain. Plus doing POE in such a mysterious, secret-filled game seems a little counterintuitive.

Also, all win conditions are mortality dependent, so lynching people you haven't managed to subjectively clear is going to kinda screw them over, unlike in past games like Red V. Blue, where you could win dead or alive. Civilians who are targeted by the POE cannon have literally no incentive to let themselves get lynched. It could easily get all Oblique Strategies pretty fast.

But hey, with you trying to figure out who's good, and me trying to figure out who's bad, we'll have the role list sorted by Day 3.

Can I just say how majorly awesome the rule list, the player list, the host posts, and pretty much all of the extra effort Rico has put into this game is?

Because it really is. Plus I have a new band to listen to in the dead of winter, which seems like the perfect climate for their music.