The Syndicate

No apology necessary, bea. SVS did totally peg me before I went down in flames. After that, there was no getting out of it, but I knew there was a baddie convenient target element to it. No loss to the baddies, just all civie appearance.

One of these days I'll play with a little more caution through to the end.

S~V~S wrote:Ebwop, and I know Epi is going to say that me going hard for an Indy is becasue I was a baddie and getting rid of her power benefited us (which is true) but i would have done it if civ, too. She killed a civ, and once that happened she stopped being an Indy in my book and became a Rogue with a kill. Everything I said in that lynch was 100%.

That is EXACTLY what I would have done as a civ.

Um, pot, kettle? Since you were intentionally killing civs as a baddie, and I was genuinely trying to help. Yeah, the only reason you knew she was a civ was because you had baddie powers. I genuinely suspected her (which you seem to still think impossible) and decided the best thing I could do was try to eliminate who I thought was bad.

So, my judgement was not always the best (sorry, Epi!), but I see you are overlooking the fact that you nearly got lynched (so much for no real suspicion). I knew you and Bass were bad from the moment you hounded me, but I died too quickly to try to do anything about it (not that anyone would trust me after that), which admittedly was my own fault for coming out swinging for the wrong person. Yeah, remember I tried to warn that I was an easy target? But once Epi was gone, you and bass pretty well directed the thread.

Oh, well. Good job fooling everyone.

Eh, well, I messed quite a few things up. It stinks, but I doubt I'd last with everyone practically decided on who I was anyway.

Good luck! (I really was trying to help)

Or it wouldn't surprise me if there was someone with extra votes, if one of us is lucky.

linki: no hard feelings You play an epic game. I seem to recall going head to head with you last time, and you totally fooled me. At least one of us will go out with plenty of fanfare, cause the last night/day was pretty crazy.

Yeah, I saw that. It's too late now.

This is becoming exceptionally confusing.

So, does this end now? Mine says 2am. Anyone out there to tip the balance?

S~V~S wrote:Trish has a percentage based mimic as well.

Do we know if it takes the power away or just mimics like Eddie?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?

Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

Wow I wish I waited now because now I know HHH is dead and lou prob stole the kill from edge .

Uh, come again? Why do you know this and how did we get to lou stealing powers?

I mean HHH might not be dead but why would he stop killing when he needs to kill everyone?

Not just one power was stolen, and it appears that the mimick thing is specific to Eddie.
Is that right?

Bass_the_Clever wrote:I ment you CBK eddie stole edge's power sorry I'm super tried right now

No worries

Mp, if you weren't bad, I'd drag you out of your grave to return the favor.

Bass_the_Clever wrote:

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?

Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

Wow I wish I waited now because now I know HHH is dead and lou prob stole the kill from edge .

Uh, come again? Why do you know this and how did we get to lou stealing powers?

DFaraday wrote:

S~V~S wrote: @Faraday~ if a persons power is stolen, do they still get to use it?

Yes they do. A more appropriate wording would be to say that Eddie copies an ability, but his gimmick was "Lie, Cheat, Steal" so I worded his powers that way in the description.

Whoa, whoa! Wait, what? On the same night? Because that changes all the discussion completely (except for how certain people feel about inides).

S~V~S wrote:You have less experience with me. I am firmly with lorab here, an Indy is a baddie lite in my books. When Sorsha shows, she will tell you the same about me. i don;t trust them, i never have. And an indy that kills people, for whatever independant reason they have, is not good for the civvies. NOT.

Let's be clear. Eddie does NOT have a kill power. If it works the way you say (which it seems you know too much about these stolen powers), why wouldn't the person whose power is being stolen just kill the theif on the off night? It's NOT a continual power as you make it out to be.

yeah, I'm not so good at not responding...

Mongoose wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Well, I'm glad someone else spoke up. I think that little revelation was a convenient turning point. Why would that change her suspicion of me? (I'm sure she'll say it didn't, bu that sure seemed like a turn to me.)

linki: and now you're back to connecting Eddie and HHH.

And how do you feel about that connection, CBK?

Well, if you look back, I originally mistook the connection to be with Edge. I wasn't sure about the HHH thing, because he wasn't the only kill fail. But somehow that little Hogan phrase slipped right past me. It seems clear to me that it's the most likely.

Well, I'm glad someone else spoke up. I think that little revelation was a convenient turning point. Why would that change her suspicion of me? (I'm sure she'll say it didn't, bu that sure seemed like a turn to me.)

linki: and now you're back to connecting Eddie and HHH.

bea wrote:

DFaraday wrote:Night 8 - Murdermania

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She ran as fast as she possibly could, not noticing Eddie Guerrero sneaking around the corner with an assortment of weapons he stole from Hulk Hogan. Lou ran right into an axe, which embedded itself in her chest. She fell back, dead.

Eddie was rather annoyed. "Orale, homes, why'd you have to do that, ese? Now I gotta clean the axe, vato!"

I stand corrected - according to the way the night post is written, it looks like eddie stole his powers from hogan. which would explain why anyone we thought might be eddie might not come out guns a blazin' for the person they stole the powers from.

I did noooot see that before now.

Ok, stopping for real this time. If I don't respond, it's because I suspect someone is very happy that the thread is filled with this discussion (because we all know the late voters just get on and vote the person who's the current target). If you have a specific question, I'll be watching. Otherwise, I am not going to keep feeding the frenzy.

S~V~S wrote:And LOL, I was just telling him what I would have done, CK, not what you should have done~ but that is my whole point, we all do things differently. Even if the "obvious" thing to do seems apparent to one person, it may not seem that way to another.

Linki~ no, I am on phone tonight, but I got the impression that the two of them were on very good civvie terms, Lou repeated and affirmed much of what Daisy said, and even referenced Daisy repeatedly both before and after she died. She said she believed things becasue Daisy did.

And no, I would not kill someone if i had a found kill~ unless i was 100%~ . I would try VERY hard to lynch HHH. I don't see CBK trying real hard to lynch anyone. Had she done that, I would have had her back 100%. My guess is she would rather hang onto that kill. I could be wrong, but i don't like bargaining with killers.

Linki~ yeah i suspect you, i must be bad

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Stop putting words in my mouth. It's not because you suspect me. It's how you've gone about this whole thing while keeping in mind what you suspect me of, and you're basing the whole thing off of who you THINK one person was. It's just too convenient and too urgent to you to get me killed. It doesn't make sense, when we haven't really discussed anything else of substance to lead to an actual baddie.

linki: exactly again.

*votes SVS* I'm not trying to be dismissive or revengeful. This seriously just doesn't make sense to me.

S~V~S wrote:I thought she was who i think she is before Lous death, and would not have bothered her or even pointed it out, but that kill whipped my head around

I had Lou down for a very specific civ role, and Guerro killed her. NOT a civvie move. i don't know how the baddies feel about you, but the civvies don't need another civvie-killer around.

And don't bug anyone about smiles bass, lol, or I will have a panic attack and start to actually feel sick every time someone raqgs MP about smilies, true story lolol

Linki @ Epi~ that is what YOU would do, it is NOT what i would do, and it may not be what SHE would do. She killed a civ, she did not have to use the kill she found, she could have left it. THAT is what I would have done, and come out swinging at HHH.

Wait, don't you just tell Epi not to judge based on how he would do it, and then you turn around and base your judgment of me on how you would do it? Makes sense.

Maybe you've never thought that whoever did it did not think lou was a civ. Obviously, not everyone sees things the way you did. Eddie clearly didn't read your mafia notes.

S~V~S wrote:CBK is a killer :nod: I am OK with my vote.

Indies always say they are civ friendly, but an Indy with access to a kill is NOT a civvie. An Indy without a kill isn't either, but the kill makes them dangerous. And bargaining with killers is generally bad business (although I won't say "always", the civs struck up a bargain with SK Turnip Head in a game once, and that worked out, but i am fairly sure it is the only time i am aware of that it did so).

We have a smiley suggestion thread, Bass, but you can put it here and we will get it there

Linki @CBK, and you think i am bad...why, exactly? Becasue i think you are?

Linki @Epi, Why?

Because assuming the role you suspect would NOT make me a killer. It seems like you are out for vengence for lou. I can understand being upset over what you believed was a civ death, but to hunt someone down, vote early and pound away at your case the way you have? Either you're covering for your jumpy vote or using me as a distraction. Your suspicion just doesn't seem worth this vehemence.

Now, here we go again. Seriously, unless you have some other aspect of this to discuss, I'm not going to keep responding to this. It's probably just feeding into someone's agenda, even if it's not yours.

linki: exactly.

Epignosis wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Well, it looks like we're all standing around waitin for somebody to take the plunge. I obviously am considering a vote for SVS. As far as AP, I need to go back and look at the posts again.

llinki: No, Epi, I mentioned that I'm reconsidering some things. As of now, I don't plan to vote for you.

Assuming S~V~S is right, I'm sort of interested in keeping you alive, actually.

Assuming she's right, the baddies probably aren't, unless you guys keep up the target practice.

Well, it looks like we're all standing around waitin for somebody to take the plunge. I obviously am considering a vote for SVS. As far as AP, I need to go back and look at the posts again.

llinki: No, Epi, I mentioned that I'm reconsidering some things. As of now, I don't plan to vote for you.

Yeah, I get what you're saying. I was just saying who knows if someone with the ability to take a kill power could kill the person they stole it from.

Glad I could provide some amusement too.

S~V~S wrote:I think you have become a baddie, once you NKed a player that was probably a civvie becasue she suspected you. yeah, that what baddies do, iirc.

This is ridiculous. EVERYONE suspected me, remember? They all voted for me. There is no defense against this, because it's either all stuff you're assuming about my role/motives or whatever you learned from your own role about lou I would guess.

Go ahead, buy more time for the baddies, but you'll just lose more help for the civs, if that's even what you're interested in.

S~V~S wrote:You might as well be one, IMO. You don't need to be LMS but you can kill people every other night.

What the heck! If I'm who you think I am, you'd seriously rather focus everyone's attention on me rather than going after baddies? I can promise I have only been on the civ team this whole time, whatever you think of me. You gonna go attack the civ ninja next? You only want the people alive who see things your way? You're assuming I am who you say I am and that I'm out to kill civs, I would like everyone to note. And the more you press this, the more you don't seem trustworthy.

linki: I don't have any idea if Eddie can kill a player w/ his own power, but I appreciate your vote of confidence.

Mongoose wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Whoa, wait, hold up, Mongoose! How'd we go from indi to SK?? Nobody has accused me of being the SK that I know of yet. Are you suggesting that?

I'm not - I thought Devin had labeled you as an SK in his most recent post, but after I saw this post of yours above (^), I reread his posts and it mentions you as a potential indie, not a SK.

Ok. Sorry for being jumpy. You just went from zero to votey in like fifteen minutes while I was folding laundry.

Whoa, wait, hold up, Mongoose! How'd we go from indi to SK?? Nobody has accused me of being the SK that I know of yet. Are you suggesting that?

Well, feel free to look. I think the worst danger I've provided is offering plenty of distraction in thread for the baddies to keep under cover.

I know it's pretty clear that I've backed off Epi for now, because I had to rethink some things. I'm still not convinced, but we'll see.
And it's funny that a few comments have been made about Bass, because something didn't smell right there to me... aaaaannd of course he's still trying to whip up a revote for me. Just keep in mind everyone, that I'm a convenient target.

Whoa, lots of linki!

Mongoose wrote:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:Just for clarity, was that directed at Devin, or are you trying to say something about him?

Sorry! I am being increasingly (yet inadvertently) obtuse. I was just commenting back to Devin. I have nothing bad to say about him currently.

Woops. I should have quoted. I was asking Epi, whose comment I found really unclear. I don't even know what you said.

Just for clarity, was that directed at Devin, or are you trying to say something about him?

Well then, yes, I have a fixed power. Does that really settle it for you?

S~V~S wrote:Does your role have a fixed power? I am sure you can answer that

And based on this amazingly blendy and ever so precise answer, i am gonna get this out of the way and vote for you now.

Come on. It's blendy to not tell you my role? What's your role then? Do you have a power? Would you answer such questions? And you didn't answer my questions. Why do you think Lou was good and Eddie would be bad?

Yeah, see? Just because someone can't tell something, doesn't mean they're bad.

Ok, I saw a bunch of statements, but people have been saying I'm bad for days now. I guess I don't respond until there's a specific idea behind the statement (or when everyone jumps on the accusation train at once).

I'm not sure what you want to ask me other than to tell my role. Since I can't do that, I can tell you I'm not bad. But what does that tell you? You may not believe me. Why do you think Lou was good and Eddie would necessarily be bad for killing her? Are you suggesting I killed Lou because she said I was bad? Didn't like almost everyone say I was bad?

Truly, I did not intend to ignore you. Does that answer your questions (as much as possible)?

link: sure, I will look back on Lou.

Sorry, did I ignore something from you? Feel free to explain your argument. I'm not sure there'll be much sparring from here.

linki: No, I hadn't thought about a coincidental kill. I mean, Trish's kill was announced differently than Eddie's. It just seemed like Eddie and Edge were connected, but you jumped to Eddie and HHH. That's all. Go ahead and try to make me look ridiculous with grammatical comments. I don't care.

Ok, I'm not quoting your original post again. You picked Eddie as targeting HHH right off the bat, when that was not what appeared to be the most obvious connection. I thought it was odd, and then you added Trish.

So, what do you think happened since both Trish and Eddie killed?

Sorry, what linking? Your Eddie/HHH thing or Eddie/Edge? Not sure what you're asking.

What? This seems to be a direct linking of the two roles to me. You said nothing about Trish in this and nothing about a coincidental double kill. I'm not saying your theory isn't possible. I'm just saying your comments seem odd and a little inconsistent.

Epignosis wrote:It seems reasonable to surmise that on Night 7, whoever Eddie is targeted whoever is HHH. Then on Night 8, Eddie got to kill instead of HHH.

I recognized that the HHH fail to kill part made sense. It was that you paired Eddie w/ HHH, even though the host post paired him w/ Edge. Wouldn't it look more like Eddie would know who Edge is?

Take as much time as you need [in calm Ben voice]

Hm, no response still. Well, while checking back in I also noticed something else from this:

Epignosis wrote:It seems reasonable to surmise that on Night 7, whoever Eddie is targeted whoever is HHH. Then on Night 8, Eddie got to kill instead of HHH.

Why HHH? Didn't the post seem to link Eddie w/ Edge? And isn't Trisha another role that can steal powers? Your explanation for HHH not killing makes sense, but I find it odd that you tried to make that connection.

Well, whatever you mean by incentive is beyond me, but I see you're going to just play it cool. That's ok. I don't blame you. I don't think it takes too much to begin pointing out evidence on you. You can blow off getting civvies lynched and conveniently diverting your vote to look innocent all you want. Being out in the open is the best cover, right? You don't show any qualms about these deaths, and your I don't give a crap style covers for you.

And then there's little things like this. You know too much about how this works.

Epignosis wrote:It seems reasonable to surmise that on Night 7, whoever Eddie is targeted whoever is HHH. Then on Night 8, Eddie got to kill instead of HHH.

And this little weird comment, again hinting that you know something. Either you do, or you're bad and you want make it look like you've secretly ticked off the baddies.

Devin the Omniscient wrote:Epig: How did you know you wouldn't die tonight?

Epignosis wrote:Also Host, when I'm dead (won't happen tonight) what EVER will you do without me?

I didn't think anything of this comment before the night post when Almost 5 people died.

And that's part of why I said this:

Captain Bunny Killer wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Maybe I didn't know.

Maybe I could go at any time.

And, I call BS. I'm pretty sure you're bad, and I think it's time everyone stops giving you a free pass. Yeah, I know I've been the center of a lot of accusation, but I'm willing to take the risk to help take you down.

And so it begins... Go ahead, tell me how I'm hypocritical or grill me. I'm ready.

Didn't you pretty bluntly declare you don't care if you're suspected? I'm not so sure now, although I'm sure you'll say this last comment was sarcastic.

The risk is drawing attention to myself of course. I mean practically half the players vowed to vote for me again. [mild exaggeration]

Epignosis wrote:Maybe I didn't know.

Maybe I could go at any time.

And, I call BS. I'm pretty sure you're bad, and I think it's time everyone stops giving you a free pass. Yeah, I know I've been the center of a lot of accusation, but I'm willing to take the risk to help take you down.

And so it begins... Go ahead, tell me how I'm hypocritical or grill me. I'm ready.

Well, I'm back from the desert, in RL and in the game. The conference went well, and the trip was awesome.

And, I apologize. I just realized that I was so distracted with the trip activities in rl and the whole I'm about to die thing here... that I forgot to vote.

Oh my word. I logged on to read my very first lynch post with my morning coffee and bagel. So, I'm just as surprised as you guys.

Well, it pretty much looks like it's over for me.

I don't think I was asking anything extraordinary when I asked for explanations. Yes, I read everthing against me except that one post from Epi. The only "case" I saw was the MP thing, and you'll all see soon enough that that meant there was no solid case.

Sorry that I was "emotional," as someone so nicely put it. Things have been kind of stressful, and I already explained my other frustration.

And I'm sure bea was just feeling that old take-me-under-the-wing thing again. Hi and bye, by the way, bea.

Well, this stinks. I should have never agreed to a game during the holidays. I've barely had a chance to be involved. I'm still on the conference, but my presentation is done.

Could you guys please explain why you're voting for me? I only have Epi's blank claim that I'm bad (although, frankly, I didn't care to read , nor did I have time to, all of his disection of my last post) and k4j's lame reason that I appeared to be on MP's team. I don't know how else to respond to that. I'm not on MP's team, nor would I have done something that stupid if I was. I did it because I thought he was just being normal MP.

The only other reason I saw was that I was really frustrated. Well, I was trying not to be too blunt, but honestly it was because I felt like Epi was kind of a jerk with Hedge and ended up getting a civ killed. And then he turned on me without explanation. And he conveniently diverted his vote somewhere else when the lynch came through Hedge. Now the same thing is happening to me, except I admit that he seems to be trying to be a little less domineering this time around.

But, you know, if you guys want to jump on another bully vote for someone who's not bad, be my guest.

Epignosis wrote:
Oh please. You're bad too. I just haven't gotten around to you yet.

Seriously? Who died and gave you a free pass to make self-righteous accusations without explanation? Yeah, I said I didn't like you in this game, because this is how you've been acting the whole time. And may I point out that you got a civ lynched. I don't care that you didn't vote for her. You heckled her and others who asked any question in the thread over it, and then you switch your focus to the one enemy everyone would want dead. That's just a little too convenient. Especially since two of the other people who also turned on me like it was a fun game also voted with you and are people I have specifically mentioned as suspicious to me days ago. And, whadyaknow!, you all voted for the apparently likely SK (a sure win for the I'm-a-civie campaign if you're right). Nice.

Well, k4j, I admit caving to MP's pleas for help was a stupid move, which is exactly why it should be obvious that I am not on his team. Yes, I know Alex in real life. He convinced me to come play another game. I felt sorry for him because I know him, and I know he always gets killed, and I genuinely thought he was just misunderstood.

Frankly, I know my post sounds angry, but it's because I've barely been able to pay attention over the holidays, and when I start following a little closer, I get attacked. Unfortunately, I can't stick around for the fun, because I am flying out to NM for a conference starting at 4:30am. If you guys decide to take up your pitchforks again while I'm gone, it's been nice knowin ya.