Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:44 pm
The more I think about it, I’m not sure I would’ve had the solve if I were in the f3. I wouldn’t have snap voted like Roxy, but I feel confident that I would’ve talked in circles for the whole 48 hours before ultimately just voting Jack because some things are inevitable lol
If you had read your own ISO I think you would have found the solve and not been swayed by others. It was all in your ISO, well mostly bc some was in my head
Yes, we weren’t so easily swayed by Alison and Camilla as tinfoils, it’s just that 9/10 a wolf doesn’t start/push their partner. She was responsible for leading charge against both. Who does that?
Alison, apparently. Brilliant play, but sets a dangerous precedent going forward for future games
But it was the busses that Alison drove that made me think she was bad tbh. I hope I am never partnered with her as a baddie team.
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jun 06, 2023 5:44 pm
The more I think about it, I’m not sure I would’ve had the solve if I were in the f3. I wouldn’t have snap voted like Roxy, but I feel confident that I would’ve talked in circles for the whole 48 hours before ultimately just voting Jack because some things are inevitable lol
If you had read your own ISO I think you would have found the solve and not been swayed by others. It was all in your ISO, well mostly bc some was in my head
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:59 am
Y'know what?
I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.
Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.
This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.
It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.
But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?
Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.
The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.
No way Pyxxy was dying D 1. Alison didn't post at all at EoD iirc she went offline in the early afternoon. As did Porscha. It was basically me against Zenon and Tutuu trying to save Porscha and both were mad when I tied it. Alison was no where around to defend Pyx at this time. So I do not know how Alison could have been "sheilding" them lol
I still think Pyx is town.
Or I am wronger than I have been in awhile.
Which is true idk.
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:43 pm
also fwiw I am vt
..........................................oh
.......aight.......@Jackofhearts2005.......that makes my suspool.......you and camilla.......and I would consider you voting roxy today.......as outing.......
.......sorry that.......I'm double backing.......on the rand :'(.......
so you are sure about Alison? Bc after Scotty's iso I was not so sure.
.......thanks to your vt claim.......I don't have to figure that out.......because either me or Alison dies tonight.......
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:41 pm
what made up my mind was when i realized the best reasons to clear roxy is that she has no gamestate reason to sus me as wolf
but she clearly isnt paying attention to gamestate at all so idk if thats right
this is just a mean thing to say to anyone who has ever played even one game of mafia.
Who the fuck are you to tell someone they have no gamestate?
That's right you are no one.
No one important enough for anyone to care about these types of comments that are wholly unnecessary and toxic.
You like toxic? I don't.
I was however paying enough attention to the gamestate bc I read Scotty's iso in the night it was the reason I *had* to iso you. For him. So straight up - fu
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:43 pm
also fwiw I am vt
..........................................oh
.......aight.......@Jackofhearts2005.......that makes my suspool.......you and camilla.......and I would consider you voting roxy today.......as outing.......
.......sorry that.......I'm double backing.......on the rand :'(.......
so you are sure about Alison? Bc after Scotty's iso I was not so sure.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:41 pm
what made up my mind was when i realized the best reasons to clear roxy is that she has no gamestate reason to sus me as wolf
but she clearly isnt paying attention to gamestate at all so idk if thats right
this is just a mean thing to say to anyone who has ever played even one game of mafia.
Who the fuck are you to tell someone they have no gamestate?
That's right you are no one.
No one important enough for anyone to care about these types of comments that are wholly unnecessary and toxic.
You like toxic? I don't.
I was however paying enough attention to the gamestate bc I read Scotty's iso in the night it was the reason I *had* to iso you. For him. So straight up - fu
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:31 pm
.......In the meantime.......I pray the Scotty prayer.......lord scum.......please take me.......in the dark of night.......so I don't have to solve F3 if we're wrong..............
I read Scotty's iso during the night phase hence me starting with Alison bc I had already done Camilla then I would have done Jack and you before making a decision. But the thread felt so toxic I was not having fun playing a *game*. When I don't have fun I no longer want to play if that makes sense. Nothing destroys my pleasure more than someone telling me I can't play right/their way.
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 11:53 am
@Camilla hypothetical: we exe jack, he flips town
Your next move is?
Re-eval the shit out of Pyxxy/Roxy as in this world then it's someone in that pairing as I have you basically nigh-IC at this point.
Most likely Roxy as she doesn't really have the same levels of non-W/W interactions as Pyxxy does and a lot of the things I'm TR'ing her for such as the needless suspicion on you and her town entitlement isn't impossible to fake.
Could you do those things now? Just for fun?
Right, then why would W!Roxy shade Alison rn when she could just coast on this thunderdome if she's a wolf?
Can you please stop answering my questions and requests with challenges?
I don’t know who the wolf is. If I knew who the wolf is, I wouldn’t bother asking you to evaluate other players.
I’m not asking you to vote X instead of me. I’m asking you to keep trying to find the wolf.
If you're V then it's just Roxy, I guess.
Her play today kind of fits the endgame solowolf to a T where she doesn't really seem to care about this stupid dome and just shaded Alison then bailed unlike Pyxxy/Alison who seem to be genuinely upset at how the days has been going on, tbh.
My reasoning to townread her was that suspicion on Alison felt pointless but she never really follows up to it and it feels somewhat performative with that in mind.
I have zero faith that you'd ever vote correctly here so I'm treating you as the fourth member of the wolfteam.
The town's wincon effectively boils down to killing Jack today so it's up to Pyxxy to vote correctly.
I mean after that post what is the point?
I was down to iso everyone too but apparently not good enough for you. I am sorry I did not play your "preferred" way.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:50 pm
This is at least my third iso of both flipped wolves so I want ya'll to know that you don't deserve a sub this good.
I do appreciate you put your whole self into this game. Idk if you care, but I do.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm
And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blown
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
If Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
also if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.
Because we literally have two PRs who do not know the identity of each other.
that we want to be hidden -yes? Then why did Tutuu try and get pyx to out themselves during the D 1 elim?
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 pm
im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects
then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy
then falcon category coz its falcon
everyone else is super town
What about Wilgy?
I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.
I thought that this was weird for her to do so since Wilgy was basically fairly nullish to me as his vote did have bussing vibes.
so Tutuu had you and Rondo as her top two mafia suspects...............
Okay, are you reading the thread?
Tutu had me as her top suspect at the SoD2 but then during D2 and D3 she began townreading me. I can literally bring up any of Tutu's posts to prove this shit.
sorry I didn't realize we had moved to a no joke zone......
I made this comment and another similar bc everyone is going on and on with this Tutuu green check bs. I was tying to have some fun as it was an early D 2 read.
No offense meant---- but did you have to jump and shout at me? <3
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:22 pm
And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.
viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.
viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.
Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.
nah I do not do "meta" I do vibes/tone/feels. So thats the biggest NO from me I refuse to read back at a past game lmao
Just as an awareness thing- and it’s no big deal- but when you bring up points like you did earlier on how ‘I’ve played with you before and should know your games’ this is kinda how I feel too. Meta can be hard for me to grab onto, because a) meta can change and b) I don’t have the mental capacity to remember people’s nuances.
Again, just bringing awareness that you seem to not want to use meta when looking at other people but use it as a defense when others suspect you, and it can come off as hypocritical.
Please know this is not an indictment on your character, but how I read you in games
lmao I did do that
I cannot thank you enough for this post I will try to refrain from it in new games. <3
How’s your 30th birthday treating you?
aww nice of you to not out my age but tbph I am proud I have made it 60 years on this beautiful blue marble flying through space. BTW it's pretty spectacular so far even better when I am done posting.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm
And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blown
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
If Tutuu was a cop and she was being cop read she'd not go "YES CAMILLA, I'M THE COP AND I HAVE A GREEN ON WILGY."
It's pretty much an argument completely done in bad faith as you are supposed to keep the PRs hidden and someone who's been playing this game for as long as Jack should be aware of that.
also if Tutuu was the cop then why would she beg Pyx to out themselves if they were a town PR? Day 1?? Nah not buying this line of thinking.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:20 pm
And again, Tutuu literally says "This is not me softing a green peak on Wilgy."
There is zero reason to think Camilla thought that and a TON of reason to think she didn't. This is a retroactive read intended to make people townread her. It's a lie.
Camilla is a wolf.
I must defend her here. I can see a cop tutuu saying she’s not softing a green. It’s pure WIFOM because it has to be if she feels like her cover might be getting blown
I still think it’s far fetched in general, but it’s possible
Tutuu is a bit of a messy player (but I am messier) I do not think of this post at all like a wifom. If it is then we should be paying attention to who she thought was mafia. FYI it was Rondo/Camilla
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 pm
im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects
then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy
then falcon category coz its falcon
everyone else is super town
What about Wilgy?
I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.
I thought that this was weird for her to do so since Wilgy was basically fairly nullish to me as his vote did have bussing vibes.
so Tutuu had you and Rondo as her top two mafia suspects...............
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:22 pm
And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.
viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.
viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.
Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.
nah I do not do "meta" I do vibes/tone/feels. So thats the biggest NO from me I refuse to read back at a past game lmao
Just as an awareness thing- and it’s no big deal- but when you bring up points like you did earlier on how ‘I’ve played with you before and should know your games’ this is kinda how I feel too. Meta can be hard for me to grab onto, because a) meta can change and b) I don’t have the mental capacity to remember people’s nuances.
Again, just bringing awareness that you seem to not want to use meta when looking at other people but use it as a defense when others suspect you, and it can come off as hypocritical.
Please know this is not an indictment on your character, but how I read you in games
lmao I did do that
I cannot thank you enough for this post I will try to refrain from it in new games. <3
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:22 am
Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.
Some tough decisions
Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.
Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.
You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?
You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.
I mean, Zenon’s basically the person who had the most experience with me and she got NK’d while strongly TRing me and Tutuu also TR’d me so id you’re not going to take the reads of the dead into account then there’s nothing I can do.
I didn’t play d1 due to a mixture of work and chronic health issues so if the crux of this paranoia boils down to me not being able to play because of my body not allowing me to then why would I be bothered?
Well, zenon also hard defended Porscha and tutuu had her blinders on regarding me before she went down, so people can be wrong. It happens.
And I’m not criticizing your absence from D1 as a personal thing. I sense a bit of frustration there that I’d be judging you for that. When in reality, you being absent from the vote for Porscha objectively leaves you open to being partners purely by a voting standpoint. Does it not?
this has also been my reasoning since d 1 even tho Camilla tried to twist it to be something it was not.
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:21 pm
im looking at camilla and rondo as top mafia suspects
then tinfoil category is pyxxy and roxy
then falcon category coz its falcon
everyone else is super town
What about Wilgy?
I basically have him in my "kinda villagery" area for his last vote on Porscha but in the end it I don't think that it was as good a reason for me to towncore him as Alison/You/Seanzie/Zenon.
i had a villager read on him from his opening post of him being exhausted with his quirk
so basically he says that every game
one time he didn't - he was actual doctor. the next time he was doctor he said it, but im making the argument that wilgy attaches some ... lets say stress/anxiety/effort to his one-liner copy paste gimmick.
him expressing that he got tired of it this game, just like stopping it midway and being like "nvm" basically just reprents to me that he's a vanilla town. so in a way he "let jesus take the wheel"
i might be clearing him too easily, you are making me feel paranoid, but ...
he did sheep. which. hm.
if i try to justify my townread on wilgy im falling flat.
so lets say ... im just going with gut here. i cant provide solid logical argumetns for why wilgy is mega town
also to clarify im NOT softing a green on him
Yh, I'm fine with not voting Wilgy for today.
I don't wanna say anything more as I feel like I've already fucked up enough rn.
Just pulling some Camilla/Wilgy interactives.
I interpreted this as Tutuu having a green check on Wilgy. Which shows a lack of TMI rather than agenda.
There is no way Tutuu could have had a green check on anyone tbh.
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:22 am
Really curious as to who mafia chooses to shoot tonite.
Some tough decisions
Depends on if Wilgy's the RBer and if they found the doc or not. If they can stop the doc then it's most likely Alison being that she's basically the player who has had the strongest finger on the pulse on the game-state.
Like, I don't get why I'm being tinfoiled despite that the past two nightkills both had me as a very strong townread and that Zenon and I have a lot of mutual experience with each other.
You don’t get why you’re being tinfoiled?
You don’t really think that, do you? I mean, it’s not like you’ve been the beacon of towniness. I know why I’d be tinfoiled.
I mean, Zenon’s basically the person who had the most experience with me and she got NK’d while strongly TRing me and Tutuu also TR’d me so id you’re not going to take the reads of the dead into account then there’s nothing I can do.
I didn’t play d1 due to a mixture of work and chronic health issues so if the crux of this paranoia boils down to me not being able to play because of my body not allowing me to then why would I be bothered?
I am going to be plain with you on this point but I am speaking only for *myself*:
Zenon and Tutuu may have been townreading you strongly but they did the same with Porscha saying it was an awful elim. Defending her up to the end then they said I was probs a baddie bussing so yeah I won't take anything they have thought *this* game into account when it comes to reading you. Imma do that myself.
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:22 pm
And just for @Scotty and @Roxy worrying about me not voting fast enough, here are the receipts for that being normal town Jack behavior.
viewtopic.php?t=2485
Scooby Doo Monster Collective. I'm the D2 (mis)elimination. I vote once all game and it's on the last page of my iso.
viewtopic.php?t=2445
Nanook's Anniversary Game. I suicide kill w!Doby middle of D2. I cast 1 vote all game.
Me not voting has nothing to do with...whyever a wolf player in my situation might not vote and everything to do with the way I play the game, which is to treat my vote like a gun. I only aim it at something I intend to kill.
nah I do not do "meta" I do vibes/tone/feels. So thats the biggest NO from me I refuse to read back at a past game lmao
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:59 am
Y'know what?
I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.
Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.
This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.
It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.
But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?
Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.
The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.
No way Pyxxy was dying D 1. Alison didn't post at all at EoD iirc she went offline in the early afternoon. As did Porscha. It was basically me against Zenon and Tutuu trying to save Porscha and both were mad when I tied it. Alison was no where around to defend Pyx at this time. So I do not know how Alison could have been "sheilding" them lol
I still think Pyx is town.
Or I am wronger than I have been in awhile.
Which is true idk.
Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 11:06 pm
My favorite part about reading back the last few pages is how in depth jack has been and bringing a bunch of original thoughts to the table
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:09 pm
Jack/Scotty fits in better as teammates with Wilgy than Pyxxy. I don't think Pyxxy/Wilgy would spend the entire game trying to hellbus each other like this, tbh.
Most likely Jack as I liked Scotty's paranoia on me while Jack's push on me kind of just feels like he's piggy-backing on Roxy's paranoia than actually doing anything to move the game-state forward.
Lul
Classic wolf Jack tactic. Sheep paranoia of low end poster from two days ago.
Moving to a three player poe is moving the gamestate forward. You just don’t like where I’m moving it.
What about Alison/Scotty/Roxy?
There's been very little suspicion on me and you only started turning on me the moment the latter two started to do so.
Suspicion on them, as I meant the three ones. Why me over Scotty/Alison since we've basically been roughly in the same tier until Roxy/Scotty began tinfoiling me.
but I have had you as a tinfoil since D 1 it's just that no one looks at my posts until today. So it did -not- just begin --- it began 2 days (mafia days) ago.
Scotty wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 11:57 pm
Maybe if we all say Prince J three times while holding a candle and looking into a bathroom mirror in the dark, he’ll come out to play
Prince J
Prince J
Prince J
Unleash your secret killer move !
Just an FYi: When I read your posts the voice in my head is that of Macho Man Randy Savage
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