The Syndicate

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 12:13 am Sorry for falling asleep the other night, it wouldn't have changed anything, I was on one mislynch after another.

Happy birthday @Roxy.

GG wolf team.

Bad luck town.

aww thank you <3

also don't stop playing and deffo :

I cannot wait until we play a game again.

Got only seconds to page my vote
vote falcon

After his iso by me and others it's the best we all agree on

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:32 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 10:31 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:15 pm Ye I'll try to be here for close of eod but no garauntees

I feel bad cuz I have a penchant for SR'ing neon when she is town a lot but I just dont get her this game at all (I guess I have this issue when she is town sometimes too) but after wolfing with her recently I was surprised she was allowed to play the way she did and get away with it for so long and idk i just know if i dont flip her i will confbias her for rest of the game at this point

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Dont feel better about voting anyone else either, especially fs and falcon who didnt really get a chance to play yet

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:58 pm [VOTE: zenon] aubergine
Porscha/Zenon is another unpairing since I don't think Porscha flash wagon votes Zenon twice.
Idk that you could say the last elim she only voted for Zenon with just a couple of minutes left before the EoD.

I am leaning falcon/Porscha with a side eye full of Zenon.
I mean, I can since the timestamp was 8:58 lol.

thats my point lol
timkestamp 8;58. Not a flashwagon per se just a vote jump. No way it was gonna turn into a flashwagon in 2 minutes.
So the second deffo was -not- a flashwagon imo

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:48 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 8:15 pm Ye I'll try to be here for close of eod but no garauntees

I feel bad cuz I have a penchant for SR'ing neon when she is town a lot but I just dont get her this game at all (I guess I have this issue when she is town sometimes too) but after wolfing with her recently I was surprised she was allowed to play the way she did and get away with it for so long and idk i just know if i dont flip her i will confbias her for rest of the game at this point

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Dont feel better about voting anyone else either, especially fs and falcon who didnt really get a chance to play yet

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:58 pm [VOTE: zenon] aubergine
Porscha/Zenon is another unpairing since I don't think Porscha flash wagon votes Zenon twice.

Idk that you could say the last elim she only voted for Zenon with just a couple of minutes left before the EoD.

I am leaning falcon/Porscha with a side eye full of Zenon.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.

[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
I am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.
Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them
I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.

@Thunal33

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.

but.....
They *both* were saying it was past game play that they each found a baddie tone in.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:51 am
Spoiler: show
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:06 am falcon's EoD:

Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'

I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?
Psv
Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today
Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's
Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine
Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed
If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.
they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!

[VOTE: PSV] aubergine
Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Town reads change as the game progresses...and you're totally ignoring the progression here and just acting as tho it just happened out of thin air.

@Zenon Why do I call you Neon?

I get why you may call Zenon, Neon but my point still stands you voted for them for no reason I could find. You voted 3 different people. As I am reading the thread it did not feel organic nor did you stay with your own case on splints. Instead you sheeped your vote and did the read back on iso's as Porscha had demanded you do. It's this progression I did feel came from a townie with their mind set on winning the game.

Before i finish my EoD's:

@Thunal33 would like to know who you think is mafia?
GTH 2 people.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:43 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario
Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.
But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

Zenon's EoD:

first lets start by saying this all came after her back and forth with splints. She left her vote on Rico following her own suspicion.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:01 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:54 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:41 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:16 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:10 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:53 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:43 pm

I know I carried that game.
I will not continue this fight.

Have some respect for Jay and the rest of the people playing and do the same. We can continue this fight later if you wish.
Defending myself from baseless attacks on myself is not disrespect to anyone in this game.
Having a fight mid game about another game is a disrespect to everyone playing and the host, and if you can’t see that then I’m sorry for you. Again, I’m not going to keep engaging on this subject for the betterment of the thread. This is literally my last post on the subject.
It's not. It's really not especially when that game is the basis of something that I am saying in this game but I'm not the one who turned it into a personal thing that it never needed to be and I will neither apologize nor stop protecting myself from harmful attacks on myself.
That game is the basis of nothing. If you can’t move on that’s your pride getting in the way. You can tell me all about how I failed you as a teammate later. I promise I will sit and listen to all you have to say. It isn’t relevant in this game.
I don't think you failed me. I do think that game matters in how I'm reading you and how I've presented that. I do think it matters to this game on a meta level. I do believe I should be allowed to talk about it as that's my basis

This is where Zenon seems to be thinking splints is bad after discussing their last game together she felt she was seeing a baddie splints and led to their exchange back and forth.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 4:39 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:43 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:30 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:12 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:02 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:20 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:01 pm

This is continuing to be a bit of a she said/she said shit. The point stands, even if they believe I wouldn’t post because I have friends in the game. I am posting a decent amount now I think, so what to make of that
Well mainly what I think of that is that I said it's town

But this push on me is bad and seems scummy to me. It started because of omgus and continues because I'm an easy lhf to push this game.
You are *not* lhf in this game or any other that I have played with you. Is this an AtE?
No it's a fact I've had no thread presence I've barely been active I've barely pushed. I am lhf in this game. And wolfs ARE capitalizing on it. The question is whom.

I disagree you are the top poster left alive. Saying you have no thread presence is bit ott. You have pushed but you also give up too easily. Not the norm that I am used to seeing in games. You are -not- lhf now or ever.

so is capitalizing on it?
Half my posts have been in like the last hour lol
this is not really true impo. Have I checked no.

Can you answer who is capitalizing on it?

Here is where she is trying to say she is lhf and people are capitalizing on it. The only name she points to when prompted was Rico. The way he hopped on and off of her.

I totes disagree she is/was ever lhf as she is the top poster in this game (after Rondo was NK'ed).

I had a major ping on Zenon here.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:25 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:04 pm @fingersplints are you staying on Zenon?
Please kill me

Me asking splints about her vote on Zenon and instead Zenon responds by asking me to kill her. Not a townie thing to do imo.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:38 pm I'm kinda really not in a mentally good place right now but not cause of this game... but it is effecting this game and I think the game state and thread vibes improve with me dead

Her reasoning for wanting to be elimmed. I still disagree with her logic but it is hers so I cannot fault that.

Yeah I guess Zenon has left me with a few pings but does a townie *wish* to be elimmed? idk.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:10 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:04 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
No. We don't vote the CW for being the CW, we don't vote on policy, we vote the most likely wolf.
I'd rather vote a potential wolf in a eod game state that appears to points to a wolf wagon yay gives info than like vote some random

Can you summarize what you are saying here, I do not follow.

got work to do before I finish my EoD's on everyone else.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:04 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".
What info do you gain when I flip town?

I was just using your logic and lingo against you. Why wouldn't we gain info?

falcon's EoD:

Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'

I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?
Psv
Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today

Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's

Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine

Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 pm I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?
I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed
If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.
they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!

[VOTE: PSV] aubergine

Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:43 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:36 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:40 pm Speaking of time zones, I can stay no longer than another 20 minutes, it'll be already 2am.

If the general call is to flip me and you want the easy hammer, do it.
Does a baddie say this near EoD?
2hours and 20 minutes near EoD*

I'm not a baddie in this game, but it also wasn't a ploy to get people off me. There was strong belief (and soon 3 votes) in benefit of me being flipped, and I gave in under the frustration that I had pinged so many with a nothingburger of a Zenon vote and other early phase stuff.

Yes it was over 2 hours from the elim end -but- you said you could only be there for 20 more minutes so yes these were your EoD posts. I never thought it was a ploy, never said that but it does lean you slightly town in my eyes.

Ricochet wrote:
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:38 am

Epi's last suspicion list. Wrong for sure on PSV but the others are still a question mark.

A broad list, yes, but he went further on his PoE of Porscha, PSV. Maybe less on Zenon, IIRC.

Maybe but he probs never thought he would be the Nk. We will never know beyond this last list he left until the game is over.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 2:44 am psv's push on me is just a pocket attempt on thunal who keeps randomly and loudly proclaiming that i'm polarized but supposedly unable to see how i'm towny at all so thunal is probably town

As an aside, people have got to give me some kudos for not bringing the adverb tell into this.

the last quote got messed up on my epi EoD.

People who haven't played with Epi may not realize he caught many baddies with the old "adverb tell". I should have paid him way more attention than I did.

He feels Porscha was bad bc of the use of the adverbs.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:00 pm I've cooled on Roxy.

I don't think fingersplints is mafia.

falcon, maybe, but if you haven't the time, you haven't the time. Posts there look organic rather than "I've got to say something." Not a vote for me today.

I don't like Rico daring me to take the bait in voting him, and maybe that's his out today, but I'm not taking it.

Thunal is playing the best mafia member I've seen in a while if that is indeed the case. Very strategic if bad. Also not a vote for me today.

That leaves me with Porscha, potentialsheltervet, and Zenon.

Epi's last suspicion list. Wrong for sure on PSV but the others are still a question mark.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:02 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 2:44 am psv's push on me is just a pocket attempt on thunal who keeps randomly and loudly proclaiming that i'm polarized but supposedly unable to see how i'm towny at all so thunal is probably town

Calls Thunal town shades PSV.

Rico's EoD:

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:37 pm I'll skip the order and do one more, just for the sake of getting some bearing on potentialsheltervet

Day 1
#130 some talk with Rondo about pairings, also tells him to ease up on the wagon game-making or something
#202 loose townread on Epig and Thunal
#207 doesn't wolfread me and inquires on the wagon on me
#290 wants Rondo to be ignored
#293 doesn't vibe with Lemon, unreasoned
#366 reads Lemon better; reads on Roxy (okay), Splints (null), Epig (worse), Thunal (safe town), wants meta on Rondo for overall play
#367 against townleans me
#370 falcon not in mafia range, from meta recollection
#372 paints Porscha wolfy and votes her (for "uninspiring", "go with the flow" etc)

Day 2
opinion on Rondo kill (on the surprised side)
#592 Epig back on good effort, hesitates on a chop Roxy in absentia
#688 some sort of puzzlement towards a Zenon vote on her
#689 reads Roxy outburst angry town
#690 worse on Zenon and thinks Porscha was town spewed
#736 vote on Zenon
#742 wolfread and then vote on me

I have no meta knowledge and didn't pick up any opinion from others on which way this type of play can generally swing, but I find it quite thin and fluctuating and not committing to much for real (or for very long). Every brief appearance puzzled me a bit even in real time, because it seemed like coming to punch in some activity, but pick up from very little from before. I find it ironic for her to paint me as "lacking enthusiasm and not driving any lead" in her reasoning of voting me, because I find it just that in this summary.

Seems to have taken a more stable approach in wolf-reading toDay, since it now boils down to just Zenon (not much reason there) and myself (at best just sanctioning and mischaracterising me as a lhf-voter).

I think her cool on suspecting Lemon is a bit suss, perhaps timed as to avoid a plant on that wagon. On friendly, but brief interactions with several other actives as well (Rondo D1, Thunal, Epig).

Don't vibe. Would elim.

His PSV work up.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:40 pm Speaking of time zones, I can stay no longer than another 20 minutes, it'll be already 2am.

If the general call is to flip me and you want the easy hammer, do it.

Does a baddie say this near EoD?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:41 pm I think I'll use that free parking vote spot since I don't want to put Rico at 3 yet. My Epi vote was more to get people to look at him and look outside the d1 slankers like Roxy and Splints than a desire to have him chopped today, and now I think that pressure would be better off him than on him. He's in my PoE but I think Rico is a better chop today.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
I think your pick of me is the shakiest even given the terms you reasoned it.

It's less about that you want to elim inactives and more about that you're more willing to commit to pushing inactives than you are to commit to pushing others. You were more committal on Lemon yesterday but then there's a lack of actually pressuring your PoE today other than Falcon.
No proof I committed to pushing inactives for good and inflexibly. Maybe the talks on dealing with inactives long term dragged on, but don't think there was more to that.
There was a lack of me doing much of anything "today" until about 8pm local when I planned some reads and found myself already profiled the way you also believe and push my lynch for.
And whatever reads I managed do in fact work on a a PoE (partial or not) and address the LHF in new light, but nobody, including yourself, is interested or swayed.

I agree with Rico in that he was solely pushing inactives. I think this has been overstated by others. Not really fair to say if you read his posts for entire day.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:01 pm Time's up for me. [VOTE: ShelterVet] aubergine

To paraphrase someone, I only need two options, until I'm proven wrong or dead.

Good night, Thunal
Good night, Epignosis.

His vote and ending statement.

Not real sure this helps me off the fence. It is however clarifying what went down at EoD by me going through peoples posts.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:59 pm My pizza is made with ripperoni.
Kill Zenon and Rico.

This was PSV's c'est la vie post.

and I am riding the fence with Rico and have had pings from Zenon but felt better about her after her exchange with splints.

Porscha's EoD:

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:46 pm wouldnt a zenon flashwagon be funny

so originally you just thought it would be funny to flashwagon Zenon?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:49 pm its funny I actually feel like the game in general has been very wolfy feeling

I'm almost unsold on psv but I certainly don't think rico is wolfier so i'm not trying to go there

After pushing PSV all day you start talking yourself out of it only 10 minutes before the elim ends.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:50 pm like tbh I came in and made a big stink about how I was no longer the person psv was describing me to be day 1 before they really said anything much, so it would have been hard for them to keep pushing me the same way

Literally this really is you noticing that someone noticed your game play so you started posting more and giving more. Why? Just bc PSV brought it up? Were you nervous others might notice and join PSV with their suspicion?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:56 pm ew i'm getting cold feet

This was posted after my vote. Ewww to you too <3
4 minutes until the elim ends.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:57 pm something feels off
we should have went zenon

We should have went Zenon bc it would be funny to flashwagon her?

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:57 pm I voted zenon

The last two posts were made within seconds of each other with 3 minutes left to go.

Yeah bit messy here at EoD.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:13 am Now that I recall, the sentiment that I wolfed out of a Zenon lynch - which was neither a real wagon at that time, nor was serious voting on my behalf - was more prevalent towards lynching me, compared to Thunal’s more in-depth reasoning.

Zenon initiated it.
Splints agreed with the suspicion - but then didn’t push for my lynch at all.
Roxy agreed with the suspicion - then didn’t suspect me as much to lynch me.

So do you genuinely think I’m wolf or just content to follow Zenon’s ping or what gives?

I will not follow Zenon as I am very unsure of her this game. I do not think you are anything rn. I am still fence riding for you. I am trying not to be quick to judge and give my read a natural chance at developing.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:09 am Why didn’t / don’t you trust me, Roxy?

I think it boils down to: we have not played together for quite some time and I cba'ed to remember your old game style so this is me learning to read you all over again.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:32 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 pm I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk
I’m confused by much of this.

Which part of Epig’s reading makes you concerned about Roxy and I, since Epig dropped both on EoD2.

I was counterwagon, but what of it?

And I don’t recall Roxy’s EoD vote having been reasoned, where did she votes based on your read?

I did not jump as I am far too old and could hurt my old ass. I just wanted to break the tie. Porscha's head seem a bit big here.

Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:42 pm Thunal can you agree with me that Roxy's eod was wolfy

After you pushed PSV ALL DAY then got cold feet right after I voted you moved then Epi gave the hammer.

Let's talk about a wolfy way to end the day.

You pushed for that elim then knowing PSV was going to flip town you moved your vote so you could say "but I felt better about PSV so I moved".

I'll be quite honest about my EoD as I have nothing to hide from. I was fence riding most of the day. When I seen the tie I decided to break it but I could not really determine who I trusted the least betwixt Rico or PSV. I literally flipped a coin.
Not that it matter I stand by my vote.

I wanted to trust you here bc I helped elim you in the other game we were/are playing together.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 8:53 pm Speak of the devil.

[ytubehd] [/ytubehd]

Idk if ya meant me or not but...

Break the *tie* ffs spell check

Off of the fence I'll break the tire see where we go

vote PSV

Got to vote but want to catch up

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:03 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:00 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:50 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:47 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 pm I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?
I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed
forgot to say I am fence riding at the Rico Ranch.
Give me a theme tune to Rico ranch

Mick 10000/10
Everyone else -10/10 lol

did someone say Rolling Stones Mafia part 2?

@fingersplints are you staying on Zenon?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:54 pm Can’t wait to hear how far Rox made it into that song

I am sorry but _ not sorry - that I didn't even click on that thang

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:57 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 10:59 pm falcon is a good lynch in a vacuum, but I don't think he's mafia.
Then he is not a good elim. Why make this statement? It is contradictory. If you do not think he is mafia then why even consider an elim?

It is posts like this that I am finding "flippant".
Hence, "in a vacuum."

I'm referring to the notion of "Argh, so-and-so is not contributing, so let's get'em!" Without much context to go on, yeah, that makes sense if you've got nothing better to go on. I know falcon is busy (like me) and therefore probably not avoiding the thread for evil reasons. Not flippant at all.

ok I get it now thanks for the response.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:50 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:47 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 pm I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?
I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed
forgot to say I am fence riding at the Rico Ranch.
Give me a theme tune to Rico ranch

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 pm I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?
I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

forgot to say I am fence riding at the Rico Ranch.

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:50 pm I think Lemon sounds better in catchup. I think Roxy sounds "okay." I feel like FS has given absolutely zero content that I can recall but I should probably check her iso. I feel less good about Epi than I did previously.
Thunal imo is pretty safe and towny.
For those saying this is typical Rondo play, what is he like as scum?
I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed

If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:43 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:30 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:12 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:02 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:20 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:55 pm

@Zenon What say you?
This is continuing to be a bit of a she said/she said shit. The point stands, even if they believe I wouldn’t post because I have friends in the game. I am posting a decent amount now I think, so what to make of that
Well mainly what I think of that is that I said it's town

But this push on me is bad and seems scummy to me. It started because of omgus and continues because I'm an easy lhf to push this game.
You are *not* lhf in this game or any other that I have played with you. Is this an AtE?
No it's a fact I've had no thread presence I've barely been active I've barely pushed. I am lhf in this game. And wolfs ARE capitalizing on it. The question is whom.

I disagree you are the top poster left alive. Saying you have no thread presence is bit ott. You have pushed but you also give up too easily. Not the norm that I am used to seeing in games. You are -not- lhf now or ever.

so is capitalizing on it?
Half my posts have been in like the last hour lol

this is not really true impo. Have I checked no.

Can you answer who is capitalizing on it?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:41 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:37 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:08 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:09 pm Anyone with the take that I want by all means to elim inactives toDay is misconstruing any notion that I am resolute on such a (final) vote for toDay and leaves out or hasn't noted that I said that D2 gamestate had three inactives out of nine players, which I thought was quite a lot to leave unchecked / unflipped / un-elim'd going into further phases.
It's less about that you want to elim inactives and more about that you're more willing to commit to pushing inactives than you are to commit to pushing others. You were more committal on Lemon yesterday but then there's a lack of actually pressuring your PoE today other than Falcon.
I frankly think the concept that lhf can read lhf better is just ridiculous as an assertion to make feels weird. That's not this post I'm just replying here cause I didn't when I read it
I do not think it is ridiculous.
It is just my game. Sorry if you do not like how I play or do reads
LHF can’t read every LHF better
But we need to take each in a case by case scenario

Can you (LHF) read me (LHF) better? Yes, most likely. You’ve had what almost 20 years of experience reading me in games.
We can’t generalise

I have made an actual effort to low posters I meet on sites to go out of my way to figure out their game style, I have found most have tells. Not that they always work but I see this as no different than a high poster clearing other high posters "bc they are contributing to the game".

So hard disagree here I *can* generalize but will make a point to say I do it and not all low posters do it.

got to check my other game

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:18 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:08 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:09 pm Anyone with the take that I want by all means to elim inactives toDay is misconstruing any notion that I am resolute on such a (final) vote for toDay and leaves out or hasn't noted that I said that D2 gamestate had three inactives out of nine players, which I thought was quite a lot to leave unchecked / unflipped / un-elim'd going into further phases.
It's less about that you want to elim inactives and more about that you're more willing to commit to pushing inactives than you are to commit to pushing others. You were more committal on Lemon yesterday but then there's a lack of actually pressuring your PoE today other than Falcon.
I frankly think the concept that lhf can read lhf better is just ridiculous as an assertion to make feels weird. That's not this post I'm just replying here cause I didn't when I read it
what post are you talking about?

it was probs one of mine I said the exact thing she is posting about.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:14 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:08 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:09 pm Anyone with the take that I want by all means to elim inactives toDay is misconstruing any notion that I am resolute on such a (final) vote for toDay and leaves out or hasn't noted that I said that D2 gamestate had three inactives out of nine players, which I thought was quite a lot to leave unchecked / unflipped / un-elim'd going into further phases.
It's less about that you want to elim inactives and more about that you're more willing to commit to pushing inactives than you are to commit to pushing others. You were more committal on Lemon yesterday but then there's a lack of actually pressuring your PoE today other than Falcon.
I frankly think the concept that lhf can read lhf better is just ridiculous as an assertion to make feels weird. That's not this post I'm just replying here cause I didn't when I read it

I do not think it is ridiculous.

It is just my game. Sorry if you do not like how I play or do reads

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:13 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:04 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:23 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:13 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:24 am Ya know every game I'm in I have to defend and frankly I'm tired of it.

Players acting like they know me or my style. Saying I'm slank which sounds awful like moist.

Rico when was the last time we played together? Literally years si stop acting like you *know* my game.

Epi is still mad bc last time he was bad I came him out on it not that anyone listened to me.

So for now I'm just not feeling like I want to defend yet again.

It's Sunday my only day off of work I would much rather spend that time having a happy day with Ariya than be here defending to people who don't really care to hear it. And I'm tired of doing it. This will be the third time in all 3 games I'm playing on this site.

If you think that this is me being baddie bc I won't defend you will be disappointed when you elim me to find I am town. A town who just doesn't care today.

Good luck town.

I would look at meh what's it meter no one listens anyway
Does Roxy make this post as Maf, likely planning to play Maf again in the future? I'm not so sure, sounds like exasperated town IMO
yeah sorry about my mini meltdown but frankly it is getting old. Maybe I shouldn't change up so much that I must use an appeal to emotion for people to finally take a second look at me.
Your playing mafia. Your gonna get pushed in most games. The reaction was overblown and frankly wolfy but nobody will listen to that so I move on ig.
and to me this reaction to my post saying I was sorry is overblown.
Than kill me. Kinda tired of how I'm being treated this game anyways frankly

I do not want to kill you. Elim you, maybe. Your AtE after saying it was wolfy as it was coming from me is a bit head scratching if I am being fully honest.

I am sorry if I have treated you poorly, I apologize for anything on my behalf.
But again this is mafia and someone once said - you will be questioned, you will be prodded, you will be poked - this is mafia and that is how we have to solve.
Sometimes it does not feel very good or nice, hence my much needed break yesterday.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:12 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:02 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:20 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:55 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pm

Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them
I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.
@Zenon What say you?
This is continuing to be a bit of a she said/she said shit. The point stands, even if they believe I wouldn’t post because I have friends in the game. I am posting a decent amount now I think, so what to make of that
Well mainly what I think of that is that I said it's town

But this push on me is bad and seems scummy to me. It started because of omgus and continues because I'm an easy lhf to push this game.
You are *not* lhf in this game or any other that I have played with you. Is this an AtE?
No it's a fact I've had no thread presence I've barely been active I've barely pushed. I am lhf in this game. And wolfs ARE capitalizing on it. The question is whom.

I disagree you are the top poster left alive. Saying you have no thread presence is bit ott. You have pushed but you also give up too easily. Not the norm that I am used to seeing in games. You are -not- lhf now or ever.

so is capitalizing on it?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:05 pm I love you Roxy <3

I fucking love you too <3

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:51 pm I don't like having personal fights in games but they do sometimes give a lot of info. My instinct is that Zenon/Splints is t/t since I feel like mafia would give more controlled or planned responses. This feels off the cuff and genuine.

I am agreeing somewhat but reserve the right to revisit my suspicion of Zenon.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:40 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:27 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 3:49 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 3:47 pm Me psv falcon Roxy
This is not a game winning POE at all imo
I agree except I would leave Zenon. I would add Epi still but I do not want to be all "No U" this game. Then I do not have anything definitive to go from just a feel, vibe, tone thing that gives me baddie reads from Thunal.
You don't want to be all "no u" so you're leaving Epi out? If Epi is in your PoE, he's in your PoE and that shouldn't change based on how you want to act this game.

oh he is still there otherwise I wouldn't have even mentioned him, my wording is just clunky and wonky as usual.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:23 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:13 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:24 am Ya know every game I'm in I have to defend and frankly I'm tired of it.

Players acting like they know me or my style. Saying I'm slank which sounds awful like moist.

Rico when was the last time we played together? Literally years si stop acting like you *know* my game.

Epi is still mad bc last time he was bad I came him out on it not that anyone listened to me.

So for now I'm just not feeling like I want to defend yet again.

It's Sunday my only day off of work I would much rather spend that time having a happy day with Ariya than be here defending to people who don't really care to hear it. And I'm tired of doing it. This will be the third time in all 3 games I'm playing on this site.

If you think that this is me being baddie bc I won't defend you will be disappointed when you elim me to find I am town. A town who just doesn't care today.

Good luck town.

I would look at meh what's it meter no one listens anyway
Does Roxy make this post as Maf, likely planning to play Maf again in the future? I'm not so sure, sounds like exasperated town IMO
yeah sorry about my mini meltdown but frankly it is getting old. Maybe I shouldn't change up so much that I must use an appeal to emotion for people to finally take a second look at me.
Your playing mafia. Your gonna get pushed in most games. The reaction was overblown and frankly wolfy but nobody will listen to that so I move on ig.

and to me this reaction to my post saying I was sorry is overblown.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:20 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:55 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.

[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
I am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.
Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them
I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.
@Zenon What say you?
This is continuing to be a bit of a she said/she said shit. The point stands, even if they believe I wouldn’t post because I have friends in the game. I am posting a decent amount now I think, so what to make of that
Well mainly what I think of that is that I said it's town

But this push on me is bad and seems scummy to me. It started because of omgus and continues because I'm an easy lhf to push this game.

You are *not* lhf in this game or any other that I have played with you. Is this an AtE?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:55 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:09 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.

[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
I am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.
Can you flesh out your read on Neon plz? I'm not seeing much in your ISO as to why you sus them
I think they are misconstruing things said in a past mafia chat to make me look worse when it was advantageous. (The whole I’m scared to post because of friends when I wasn’t around)
I think because I was just on a team with them, I can see some of the similarities from this game and that one.
@Zenon What say you?
This is continuing to be a bit of a she said/she said shit. The point stands, even if they believe I wouldn’t post because I have friends in the game. I am posting a decent amount now I think, so what to make of that

this is a really great point.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:38 am Hmmmm...I'm seeing fingers defend LHF/slankers a lot, but she doesn't seem to be concerned over the players pushing these slots...almost as tho she's aware that town is pushing town.

[VOTE: fingers] aubergine
I am concerned with some of the people pushing it. I dislike it every game I play. Not everyone who is pushing it will be bad though, so it’s figuring out who is pushing it because they always do, or if they are pushing it for an easy elim.

yes queen!

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