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Alright. I'll address each bolded part separately.Canucklehead wrote:I can't be accountable with my own vote because I haven't read the thread closely enough to have an opinion on anyone except you and will not do so before tomorrow evening.
I am willing to follow your vote because, as you frequently note, you've been pretty obvious with hint dropping, and someone was kind enough to requote those, and I'm choosing to believe those hints. If you'd prefer I use my own brain randomize, cool. My randomometer will probably land on Vompatti. But that's actually surprising to me that you are averse to people following your lead, when you've been so diligent in making sure people know your alignment.Why role hint if you don't want to use your hints to gain influence in the thread?
If you want to vote for me, totally fine. I get it, I really do. Like I've repeatedly said, I'm not really playing and am only useful to the civs as a number. If you honestly don't want my vote to go where you suggest/want to put your vote on me, fine. But let me know now so that I can vote and not worry about checking into the thread tomorrow.
(I get it if you're just trying to spur me into more participation......but that's really a dead end. Sorry.)
I thought it might be because Canuck trusts SVS, but idk if that's actually the case or not. :shurg:Canucklehead wrote:I literally do not think I have said anything to/about SVS this game that she hasn't immediately contradicted....even innocuous non-accusatory stuff like thisS~V~S wrote:Actually, I changed my mind becasue of him :pout.Canucklehead wrote:Fwiw, I changed my mind about Zombs because of SVS, not youGolden wrote:@elo - may as well own up to the truth. I spent the last few hours trying very hard to win hearts and minds to voting vomps to save zombs.
Frankly, I'm ok with being lynched tomorrow because of it, if thats how it goes down.![]()
Do I smell bad, SVS? Why won't you let me be your friend?
Same here. The only problem is that I went back and re-read her. And while I don't feel really bad about her, I don't feel great either. The most baddie thing she's done is potential damage control. But idk...Turnip Head wrote:I'm having a hard time believing the baddies would silence Elo. All their other silence targets have been active involved players. Doesn't really make sense for them to silence Elo IMO. Idk.
I think I'm just as dense as you, Dom. I had no idea she did that. Let me go back and see if I can find it before the lynch ends.Dom wrote:Am I dense?Black Rock wrote:Bullzeye wrote:It's mostly the blatant role hinting she's been doing tbh. I really don't see how people aren't picking it up. Not believing her is a choice, but it's not like you could accuse her of being subtle.birdwithteeth11 wrote: My statement on hearing from someone who feels SVS is civ is still open though. Speak up peeps! I know there's a few of you out there!
Exactly this, it's actually bothering me that they haven't seen this and haven't dropped it.
Nevermind. I'm thinking of this.Dom wrote:?????birdwithteeth11 wrote:
I felt strongly about both Liz and SVS. Still feel strongly about SVS, and wouldn't mind hearing from more people other than Dom who think she isn't bad. Because I'm still not seeing the other side to that one.
I probably shouldn't being doing mafia when I'm this tired and drinking bourbon. Because I totally misremembered that. Sorry!birdwithteeth11 wrote:Oops. I didn't see the word "justifying" in there.rabbit8 wrote:SVS voted for Epi.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well when you said you buy her story, I thought you meant you're leaning civ on her. Are you now or does her not voting Epig still make you unsure of her or think she's bad?Dom wrote:What do you mean?birdwithteeth11 wrote:Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?Dom wrote:I think I buy her story too.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.
tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK
I can't words today.
Interesting idea. And given the message along with it, that actually makes sense.Dom wrote:i think the baddies put the safe up there to make us scared.
Given this isn't in sarcasm orange, I have to ask...Metalmarsh89 wrote:Have a good Easter.
Dom, I had a dream last night in which I voted for you in today's lynch.
Not really. I was intending to vote for Liz last night, but fell asleep and didn't get a chance to.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Was everyone just waiting for someone else to place the first vote?![]()
I did notice that early voters have a higher tendency to have a shorter lifespan. :lamia:
What's the reason for you asking why? I guess I had just assumed the Celestials had BTSC.Metalmarsh89 wrote:Do the Celestials and/or the mafia have BTSC?
Neither actually. I just think that the reasons I've seen for wanting him lynched are incredibly weak. Especially compared to the vast majority of other people out there who I think have more legitimate reasons to be held under the microscope.Metalmarsh89 wrote:birdwithteeth11 wrote:I do not think Vomps is bad, and anyone who votes him a second time today should be seriously looked at as possibly being bad. I think people looking to vote him today are just grasping at straws.
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Do you think vomps is not bad because of the Zomba lynch, or does he read not bad to you?
Linki: I've never heard that before. I also try to read each game separate from another. If someone else brings something like that up, I'm willing to talk about it, but I don't usually go out of my way to compare a player's behavior from one game to another. Every player adapts and regresses to the game, just like a pitcher in baseball.
I know, right? But nah. That would be way too obvious.Long Con wrote:RIP, Splintsy, if it's any consolation, I trusted you for the most part.
I feel like it's something I've seen in a game before... a baddie killing the very Civvie that trusted them the most as a way to trick the other Civvies.
Okay. So that's SVS' post about voting for Epig.S~V~S wrote:OK, if Eloh, his wife, and Juliets, the gentlest Mafia player I know, can vote for him, so can I.
Sorry Epi, I thought you might have sent me that Compliment Epi thing, but I don't think you did.
Oops. I didn't see the word "justifying" in there.rabbit8 wrote:SVS voted for Epi.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Well when you said you buy her story, I thought you meant you're leaning civ on her. Are you now or does her not voting Epig still make you unsure of her or think she's bad?Dom wrote:What do you mean?birdwithteeth11 wrote:Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?Dom wrote:I think I buy her story too.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.
tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK
Well when you said you buy her story, I thought you meant you're leaning civ on her. Are you now or does her not voting Epig still make you unsure of her or think she's bad?Dom wrote:What do you mean?birdwithteeth11 wrote:Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?Dom wrote:I think I buy her story too.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.
tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK
I think he did, yeah. But given Golden is dead now, this feels a bit too...convenient to me.fingersplints wrote:I'm pretty sure golden thought he was to blame toobirdwithteeth11 wrote:Nice deflection to Golden there.S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.
But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that
I've been wondering about this too. With Vomps being the one to vote him, it's a really good cover too.Metalmarsh89 wrote:I'm starting to become paranoid that TH is the millionaire and vomps keeps voting him to give him power.
Nice deflection to Golden there.S~V~S wrote:Um, I aggressively pursued her until freaking Golden made me think I was wrong. It was like 5:30 AM, I came in the thread, and Zomba & Liz had lulled Golden into a sense of complacency. He said he did not think she was bad, I read her posts from that night and thought he might have a point. I did not trust my own gut, and I got burnt by her (and Golden). When you posted those two quotes from me that morning with Golden and Zomba and made the crack about my post, then my next post, you did NOT mention that they were 40 minutes or so apart. You also did not mention that it was like 5 or 6 AM and no one was here, lol.
But like I said, I have been very open. If you choose to ignore it, or not believe it because it would be more fun for you if i am bad, that's fine. But I am not bad, and I think you know that
Out of curiosity, what made you change your mind on SVS?Dom wrote:I think I buy her story too.Bass_the_Clever wrote:I really think SVS is civ friendly this game.
tbh I think I buy it. I'm a bit nervous because I think her focus on me, but then justifying not voting Epig was weird though. :/ IDK
Certainly! Let me pull some quotes for you.juliets wrote:bwt, what stands out for you as evidence she is bad? I am reading her as civ this game but want to make sure I am looking at both sides of the issues.birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know what SVS is anymore. I guess I'm currently sitting on the fence with her. Although I'm still leaning towards her being bad.
This is right after the Zomba lynch. SVS mentioned that she had re-read Zomba's argument that morning and it had made her do a 180 on Zomba (from bad to possibly good). So her changing her mind the way she did was what started it. It didn't feel genuine to me and still doesn't.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Alright.S~V~S wrote:Exactly, and mine did. About Zomba, not distancing.birdwithteeth11 wrote:rabbit8 wrote:S~V~S wrote:Dom knows how I feel about distancing.
Feelings can change ..........
Linki
But the results of this lynch might affect how I feel about you changing your mind on Zomba.
Linki: HELLS YEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHH
Linki2: Absolutely, Bullz. Major save attempt right there.
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Dom wrote:Why does Zomba being bad mean that Vomps is bad?S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?S~V~S wrote:It doesn't mean that. I never said that. But her being bad does mnotb make him good.![]()
Then what does it mean?
I smelled BS here. I don't think SVS is obtuse (far from it), so I think she might have been worried about how the Zomba lynch made her look. So she's intentionally being indirect here. And yet, when I pointed that out to her...birdwithteeth11 wrote:So then you can't decide which he is?S~V~S wrote:It means he could be bad or good. This isn't rocket science.
...apparently that means Dom and I "are taking a simple remark and twisting it into something it is not".birdwithteeth11 wrote:So if you had to lean good or lean bad right now for Vomps, which would it be?S~V~S wrote:Wow that is quite the misinterpretation of what I said. What I said was that just because Zomba was bad does not make Vomps good. You and Dom are taking a simple remark and twisting it into something it is not.birdwithteeth11 wrote:So then you can't decide which he is?S~V~S wrote:It means he could be bad or good. This isn't rocket science.
And Rabbit, I am not bad, and furthermore, I think you know it.
I'm not twisting your words against you. All I've done is pull direct quotes and asked questions. How is that twisting?
Workings of manMovingPictures07 wrote:Wish the sun to stand stillEpignosis wrote:Like the time I ran awayTurnip Head wrote:Rest in peace DP. I am sorry to lose you and also genuinely confused as to why you were targeted.
Hey MM, do you believe me now that I've got your bottle?
Turned around and you were standing close to me
Reaching out to touch our own being
Past a mortal as we, here we can be
That's the only thing I can think. I guess I'm over-thinking this too much.S~V~S wrote:I think that it was confirming that it was false.
Why did you vote for her then?Elohcin wrote:yeah, I didn't think she was bad. Sorry Sophie.
That's part of my reason for voting you as well. Thanks for reminding me!Sophie wrote:Im clearly not jumping in a bandwagon here, fs, and you know it.
I did it with MM, cause was too busy.
I subbed in when there were 20 pages already and thread was going fast. I was very busy that weekend so while i slowly catched up, other 20 pages were written.
Its ok if you dont believe me and wanna vote for me. But dont make me repeat all this things, i said them already. Dont make me show again why i voted dp and mentioned him before. Its all here in thr thread for anyone to see.
Vote me cause i have been somewhat lying low and not contributing compared to my usual civ game, that at least has merit, eventhough its wrong
That's part of it. I think her 180 on going from Zomba to Vomps the way she did is very insincere. I think she was trying to save a teammate. There's also the quote (can't remember where) where she said something along the lines of Zomba being bad means that Vomps is neither bad nor good (I'd go find the quote for better context). And I feel like she won't give a direct answer when I questioned her on what that means. Especially considering she voted for Vomps.juliets wrote:bwt have you put a case forth on her? I looked but all I found was you questioning her about her vomps vote. Are you looking to vote for her today because she voted vomps? I just want to make sure I am not missing anything.birdwithteeth11 wrote:Indeed. I wonder if she's allowed to comment on other things though?rabbit8 wrote:juliets wrote:So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.
Convenient.
Still looking at voting for her today anyway.
Indeed. I wonder if she's allowed to comment on other things though?rabbit8 wrote:juliets wrote:So I guess SVS is under a spell where she has to praise Epi profusely. I wonder how many times she has to do this. Hopefully not many.
Convenient.
So if you had to lean good or lean bad right now for Vomps, which would it be?S~V~S wrote:Wow that is quite the misinterpretation of what I said. What I said was that just because Zomba was bad does not make Vomps good. You and Dom are taking a simple remark and twisting it into something it is not.birdwithteeth11 wrote:So then you can't decide which he is?S~V~S wrote:It means he could be bad or good. This isn't rocket science.
And Rabbit, I am not bad, and furthermore, I think you know it.
So then you can't decide which he is?S~V~S wrote:It means he could be bad or good. This isn't rocket science.
Dom wrote:Why does Zomba being bad mean that Vomps is bad?S~V~S wrote:Also, how is Zomba being bad mean that Vomps might not also be bad?
S~V~S wrote:It doesn't mean that. I never said that. But her being bad does mnotb make him good.
Nah. I think it's cool to group you in there too.S~V~S wrote:Fell free to look at Golden & Epi.
Alright.S~V~S wrote:Exactly, and mine did. About Zomba, not distancing.birdwithteeth11 wrote:rabbit8 wrote:S~V~S wrote:Dom knows how I feel about distancing.
Feelings can change ..........
Linki