The Syndicate

Where is the endgame?!?! :P

Also, I really, REALLY want to go with the last poll option. Just sayin'.

Epignosis wrote:Made the mistake of buying my daughter the Frozen soundtrack. The children listen to music as they go to bed.

I'm on my second to last night of sanity.

How do I counter this? With a Bioshock Infinite soundtrack.

Nice.

But if what I've heard from other parents is true, you just dug your own grave with the Frozen soundtrack.

Snow Dog wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Yeah, is there really a point to me even playing this game? I don't have time to post, I don't have time to vote (Although today, we found out my grandma's surgery to remove her gallbladder got moved from mid-July to today at 3:30 so that's the main reason why), but still. So unbelievably pissed with myself.

Not sure who I would have gone with. Not like it matters, given I don't contribute anything worthwhile to this game. I'm really sorry everyone!

Thanks. I'm feeling a bit better. I need to get my head wrapped around this game before it ends though.

Yeah, is there really a point to me even playing this game? I don't have time to post, I don't have time to vote (Although today, we found out my grandma's surgery to remove her gallbladder got moved from mid-July to today at 3:30 so that's the main reason why), but still. So unbelievably pissed with myself.

Not sure who I would have gone with. Not like it matters, given I don't contribute anything worthwhile to this game. I'm really sorry everyone!

Sorry I haven't been around the last few days. Putting out a lot of fires is the simplest way to put it. I'm going to catch up this afternoon and (hopefully) remember to actually vote this time!

Bullzeye wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:I asked this before but only got one answer. Anyone been robbed recently?
And well done USA in the football.
I don't believe I've ever been robbed.
Yeah I was hoping the US would get out of their group. I want them to go far just because I think it's hilarious that even they're better than us. A lot of people here think Americans don't even know what football is yet they've got out of their group (and will probably reach QFs at least) and England couldn't even win a match!

I haven't been robbed yet either. I forgot to mention that before.
I figured we had a chance to make it out of our group. But I would be totally shocked if we made it to the QFs. This team isn't good enough to beat Belgium IMO. I'd have more confidence if our back 4 were better honestly. And even if we do sneak by Belgium, we'd probably have face France in the QF, and then I would just give up on life lol

juliets wrote:Sorry splints, I watched soccer today, then worked out, then fixed dinner and all of a sudden it's now. I have only been quiet because I haven't yet re-read Bullz or you in light of what Epig and llama are saying. So me being quiet is just because I don't yet have anything to say. I'm not going to blindly follow Epig and llama - I need to see something for myself.

Yeah, pretty much same here.

Also, the fact that llama and Epig were willing to vote more than 24 hours before the deadline does concern me a bit. I'll spend some time on it tomorrow before I make up my mind on it.

Personally, my mind isn't made up on Bullz or anyone yet. And I'm not sure yet if I buy the whole thing yet about the Mayor working with either the Goblins or Smaug. Or if Epig and llama are even right about Splints and Bullz yet.

I think this vote is going to end up being really important though. Because worst case scenario is we lynch a civ, 2 more people die tonight if both kills go through, and then we're down to 8 players. So I need more time to read over things and decide.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:BWT is not on the lynch poll. Maybe something did work for him?
How can we lynch him if he isn't in the company. He went down the tunnel, remember?
How come he can talk to us then?

Black magic of course.

kneel4justice wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP BN. Hopefully we shall avenge you!

Yeah, juliets. That's what I'm gathering from it as well. I'm hoping to go back and read up on splints and Bullz tomorrow to see if there's any merit to what Epig is saying.
Do you get to share with us what happened when you went in? I see you're not on the poll.

Other than my name not being on the poll, I wasn't PMed anything or made aware of anything else happening. So my guess is that is all that happens.

RIP BN.

Hopefully we shall avenge you!

Yeah, juliets. That's what I'm gathering from it as well. I'm hoping to go back and read up on splints and Bullz tomorrow to see if there's any merit to what Epig is saying.

thellama73 wrote:Why not just make it a several-ways tie and let the fates decide?

Because I don't think you could affect Smaug the way I potentially could. Otherwise, I would be perfectly fine with Lady Luck getting involved.

nijuukyugou wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
fingersplints wrote:I gave my vote to llama. I feel better about sending in him then bwt and all the other people with one vote.
There's a really big reason I want to try and be the one to go in first. The host won't elaborate on it, so it's kind of my own theory I want to test. But it could potentially be bad for Smaug if I end up being right.
Can you yourself possibly elaborate a little more? I'm still trying to decide where to put my vote. I'm leaning towards myself or llama, but if you have an excellent reason...

Unfortunately, no. I can't really say much more than that. And like I said, it's a theory I think could pan out well to hurt Smaug if I'm right. So ultimately, you have to decide if you're comfortable with going along with my idea or not. But I would really appreciate it if I got your vote, for sure.

fingersplints wrote:I gave my vote to llama. I feel better about sending in him then bwt and all the other people with one vote.

There's a really big reason I want to try and be the one to go in first. The host won't elaborate on it, so it's kind of my own theory I want to test. But it could potentially be bad for Smaug if I end up being right.

I'm considering voting for myself to test a theory I have out. Of course, that theory will only work if I get the most votes.

Heck with it, I'm going for it. We'll see what happens.

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Logan, are you seriously volunteering to be sent in?
I did answer your question, and I did vote for myself, so if you guys think I am the best man for the job, I will go for the good of the order.
What good is a llama against a dragon?
If you knew anything about llamas, you would not have to ask that question.

True. I guess the llama could spit into the dragon's mouth, extinguishing it's flame.

thellama73 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Logan, are you seriously volunteering to be sent in?
I did answer your question, and I did vote for myself, so if you guys think I am the best man for the job, I will go for the good of the order.

What good is a llama against a dragon?

Snow Dog wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
Snow Dog wrote:Who has solved the runes?
Are you hoping to get an answer to your question?
Why wouldn't he?
That's right. It isn't a secret is it? If anyone wants to answer that question, they may. Or ignore it. Please yourselves. :P

I was mostly messing with you. :P

But to answer your question, I have not. I haven't given a serious crack at it either though, and I'm planning on doing so in the next few hours.

Epignosis wrote:Dom was a victim of economics- probably a "Hedge fund" of some sort.

I'll get my coat...

Please do.

Actually, I might have an idea with this poll. But I need to wait until the host answers a question I have.

Linki: Oh, okay. Somehow I missed the sarcastic orange before.

kneel4justice wrote:Well, I'll vote BWT to go in.

Thanks! Because I've always wanted to tame a fire-breathing dragon!

Linki: So what's the theory behind MM being Smaug? Because this is the first time I remember that connection being made. Of course, my memory is also terrible at times.

Snow Dog wrote:Who has solved the runes?

Are you hoping to get an answer to your question?

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to be picking a person I don't feel comfortable with to "volunteer" to go through the door.
I was thinking about voting for you.

What is your reasoning, out of curiosity?

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm going to be picking a person I don't feel comfortable with to "volunteer" to go through the door.

kneel4justice wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:Dwalin
Brother of Balin and one of the two eldest dwarves.
Because he is so old and wise, he is an experienced riddler. May receive hints to riddles during the game.

This made me wonder when INH said to not trust llama. I figured looking at his role might reveal something, but I've got nothing. Anybody think is means anything now, or is it still a boldfaced lie? Because I thought it was the latter at first, but now I wonder...

Linki: Bye bitch.
I'm not sure but It really isn't factoring into my opinion of Llama, I think it could just be INH being INH. If he really had info he should have mentioned being suspicious of Llama much earlier on and vaguely.

That's what I was leaning towards. But the host has cleared it up, so I guess that answers my question.

Also, I would like to point out that we are on page 69 currently.

Dwalin
Brother of Balin and one of the two eldest dwarves.
Because he is so old and wise, he is an experienced riddler. May receive hints to riddles during the game.

This made me wonder when INH said to not trust llama. I figured looking at his role might reveal something, but I've got nothing. Anybody think is means anything now, or is it still a boldfaced lie? Because I thought it was the latter at first, but now I wonder...

Linki: Bye bitch.

I don't say this very often in mafia, but....what the flying fuck?!?

I guess Dom was a Goblin then? That might require a re-read of him then. Any ideas as to what happened?

Linki: Yeah, props to llama for that one then!

thellama73 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
thellama73 wrote:
If INH flips bad, I bet you dollars to donuts that BWT is his teammate.
Interesting, I didn't notice any interaction from the two. Was there any?
Not really, apart from some vague "oh you guys are right, INH is a little shady" blendiness. That defines BWT's entire game. Blendy, blendy, blendy. If I'm right, he threw TH 2.0 under the bus (Snow Dog had 5 votes, his gave TH 5) and has been a go-along to get-along kind of guy the whole time. I think the post you made about him was very telling.

If I'm a baddie, and decide to throw a teammate under the bus, I usually take the hyper-aggressive MP route and try to do it earlier rather than later. In INH's case, at the point when I started commenting on it, I would have probably thrown a vote onto a secondary suspicion rather than vote for a teammate if it's coming at this point, in hopes I could try to turn the tide before a swath of votes comes in.

I'm not intentionally trying to come off as blendy. I think it's just become my style at this point. But if I get lynched again because of "playing a blendy game", that's slightly sucky.

Linki: Yeah, I haven't mentioned INH earlier because 1) There were other people I was examining further earlier on (see: Boogs and Snow Dog) that were higher on my list and 2) it wasn't until today because I didn't have the free time to discuss it any yesterday. Also, as a baddie, I'm far more likely to start talking about my teammates earlier rather than later.

thellama73 wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:So, what do people think of my last post to BWT?
I have been meaning to reread him. From memory his posts have struck me as infrequent, but generally reasonable. But I also feel he has been flying below the radar a little bit.
And the time he didn't fly under the radar was when he was insanified. Lol
If INH flips bad, I bet you dollars to donuts that BWT is his teammate.

What's your reasoning behind this one?

kneel4justice wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
kneel4justice wrote:So, what do people think of my last post to BWT?
I have been meaning to reread him. From memory his posts have struck me as infrequent, but generally reasonable. But I also feel he has been flying below the radar a little bit.
And the time he didn't fly under the radar was when he was insanified. Lol

I was required to post a certain number of times when I was insanified, or else I would be penalized. So yeah, that was the main reason I posted more often then.

Linki: I've seen games before where the posting curse changes slightly every time it's used. So it doesn't surprise me too much that it might have been different for you than Dom and myself.

You know, I almost wonder if it's worth it for me to be playing if I don't ever vote. Even on a f***ing off-day from work, I'm still not around to vote. :/

Oh well. I would have probably gone with INH though.

Still catching up btw.

kneel4justice wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote: K4J - I was all gung-ho to vote for him today, but some of his defenses are making me back off and wonder. Mostly because they seem really genuine to me. If he is bad, I think it's far more likely that he is a Town Goblin than Smaug.
WOW!
I'm so glad to hear you were gung-ho but didn't post a single thing about me throughout the day, when you were obviously reading! I would think someone who was gung-ho would surely have had input throughout the day, no?
It's quite obvious you were just going to be another bandwagoner near the end, and I am guessing you've backed off because you've seen quite a few people start to at least entertain the idea that my defenses were sincere.

Sorry, but I used to make a post every time I saw a quote or statement that interested me and I wanted to comment on. I don't do that anymore mostly because I don't have the time to sit on here half the day and post away. I prefer making longer, more concentrated posts that might not occur as frequently, rather than posting a ton of smaller posts over the same period of time.

Also, this isn't directed at just you, but I bolded the second part because it's honestly something that really frustrates me. I get accused of this (it feels like) at least once in every game I play. I think because I end up agreeing with people I trust, and some of the conclusions I come to are similar to what they've come to, it might look like I parrot others. But that is not the case. I'm sorry if it comes off that way, and I can understand how it might look like that, but I'm a fairly individual thinker. It's hard for other people to sway me unless I think what they say holds value. And I think there is potentially value in you being a baddie in this game. Sorry.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:
INH - He's really dropped off my radar. I know he said he was busy with hosting that other game, and I can understand that. But if that game has indeed ended, I would expect to see him becoming more active again. That doesn't feel good to me at all.

Good catch. So BWT, INH fell off your radar, but his actions don't feel good to you?

Fell off my radar = Very inactive. Sorry, I probably should have used a better word choice there.

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:I'm not going to highlight everyone here, but I'll go over the people I do have somewhat concrete thoughts and ideas on. And I'll do it alphabetically, because I like organization in my mafia!

Dom - I think he's being sincere about being busy IRL, and has been as active as his time has allowed. I really don't find all of his questions suspicious, because that's generally how he plays. I think Dom likes to take the temperature of the room every so often, so to speak. However, if most or all of those quotes/questions that llama pulled up are all one-liners, and Dom isn't contributing his own thoughts (I feel like he has), then I would start to feel more suspicious of him.

Epignosis - Rob is generally a very hard person to read, although he does have several tells (no, I will not share them :P) if he is bad. I don't see those here though. In fact, I see a fairly normal Epig right now. I think he's going after people because he genuinely finds them suspicious. And I don't think he's using thread evidence in a way that it's setting people up for future events or potential targets, so I feel like he's civ for now.

INH - He's really dropped off my radar. I know he said he was busy with hosting that other game, and I can understand that. But if that game has indeed ended, I would expect to see him becoming more active again. That doesn't feel good to me at all.

K4J - I was all gung-ho to vote for him today, but some of his defenses are making me back off and wonder. Mostly because they seem really genuine to me. If he is bad, I think it's far more likely that he is a Town Goblin than Smaug.

Metalmarsh - Next time you have a forced vote, dude, try to make it a little less obvious. If we can figure it out by reading between the lines, that's fine. But don't make it so blatant next time plskthx.

Snow Dog - He's been fairly quiet (I was going to say silent, but he's posted today so there you go) since his almost-lynch. My guess is he isn't saying much because he doesn't think that there is anything he can convince us of to make us think he's good. If I can think of any other questions besides the one I asked that might convince him to share more thoughts with us, I will ask them.

I am free all of today, and am by no means decided on who I'm going to vote for yet. But I have several directions I could go.

Linki: Somehow I missed that post from Kyle. I would like to hear back from him why he was curious to learn who CBK was.
I am hurt that I was left off this list.

I don't know what to think of you. You're an enigma in more ways than one. :P

Seriously though, my only thoughts on you so far have been "a civvie who has some poor vote choices". So par for the course for you really.

Dom wrote:BWT, I would like to add that INH's game ended on June 14, over a week ago.

Interesting. So he's had 8 full real-life days to get back into the swing of things, and is now on #9 and hasn't done so. I can understand being busy, but I would think in that period of time, he would be able to check in at least.

I'm not going to highlight everyone here, but I'll go over the people I do have somewhat concrete thoughts and ideas on. And I'll do it alphabetically, because I like organization in my mafia!

Dom - I think he's being sincere about being busy IRL, and has been as active as his time has allowed. I really don't find all of his questions suspicious, because that's generally how he plays. I think Dom likes to take the temperature of the room every so often, so to speak. However, if most or all of those quotes/questions that llama pulled up are all one-liners, and Dom isn't contributing his own thoughts (I feel like he has), then I would start to feel more suspicious of him.

Epignosis - Rob is generally a very hard person to read, although he does have several tells (no, I will not share them :P) if he is bad. I don't see those here though. In fact, I see a fairly normal Epig right now. I think he's going after people because he genuinely finds them suspicious. And I don't think he's using thread evidence in a way that it's setting people up for future events or potential targets, so I feel like he's civ for now.

INH - He's really dropped off my radar. I know he said he was busy with hosting that other game, and I can understand that. But if that game has indeed ended, I would expect to see him becoming more active again. That doesn't feel good to me at all.

K4J - I was all gung-ho to vote for him today, but some of his defenses are making me back off and wonder. Mostly because they seem really genuine to me. If he is bad, I think it's far more likely that he is a Town Goblin than Smaug.

Metalmarsh - Next time you have a forced vote, dude, try to make it a little less obvious. If we can figure it out by reading between the lines, that's fine. But don't make it so blatant next time plskthx.

Snow Dog - He's been fairly quiet (I was going to say silent, but he's posted today so there you go) since his almost-lynch. My guess is he isn't saying much because he doesn't think that there is anything he can convince us of to make us think he's good. If I can think of any other questions besides the one I asked that might convince him to share more thoughts with us, I will ask them.

I am free all of today, and am by no means decided on who I'm going to vote for yet. But I have several directions I could go.

Linki: Somehow I missed that post from Kyle. I would like to hear back from him why he was curious to learn who CBK was.

Sorry I haven't been more active than I have been. I figured it would get better after last Thursday, and it has some. In that I can actually follow along. But I want to finish catching up, and then discuss several players.

Snow Dog wrote:I do not think I am off the hook by any means, but what more coud I say that I havn't said already?

I've probably forgotten, and I'm sure you've said it already, but who would you be willing to vote for right now?

fingersplints wrote:Front door to confront the dragon

I wouldn't mind confronting a dragon if you know what I mean.

I'm pretty sure I was a rogue in another life, so I'm all for anything involving sneaking. Stealth is always the best idea.

Hedgeowl wrote:Wow, great result TH voters.

Do people think it more or less likely that TH 1.0 was civ and then replaced in bad or was bad and the last Moria and replaced in bad again? I can't really decide, because it still seems likely there is one left on the other team.

There's only one way to find out.

Oh Great King Russtifinko, will we be made aware when a team has been eliminated?

Alright. I was in between Snow Dog and TH, and I think I've decided.

With Snowy, I was pretty convinced he was bad after his responses to the Boogs lynch. Since he's been "backed into a corner" so to speak, I've had mixed feelings on him. When he's been making pleas for people to not lynch him, it makes me want to vote for him even more. But when he's stayed away from that, he's starting to make me question him. So I'm willing to give him another day to convince me that he's possibly a civ.

With TH 2.0, he's contributed almost nothing to the game. Basically, he's skating by on contributing ideas, but without anything that actually advances any trains of thought. Plus, TH is a very good mafia player, and he's one of the few that legitimately scares me when he's quiet. Plus there's this:

Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:
Epignosis wrote:
Turnip Head wrote:To the players who are feeling a Snow Dog vote, I'm curious to know who you think his teammates might be. The only surface-level connection I would be able to draw to Snow is CBK, but she is insanified, and also appears to suspect Snowy based on her answer to Dom's question, which doesn't seem very teammate-like at this stage. If the Dog is bad, I'm not sure where I'd look next for teammates, which makes me think perhaps he doesn't have any and that lynching him is the wrong call.
Cart before the horse. How do you look for teammates before you've established someone even has a team? I'm pretty sure I know one of yours though.
You're wrong about why I'm asking this question. "Cart before the horse" would imply that I'm trying to lynch a suspected Snow Dog teammate before lynching Snow Dog. That's not what I was saying. I was wondering who people thought Snow Dog's teammates were if they suspected him, because as of yet I'm not seeing much evidence that he has any teammates, which makes me think he might not be a baddie. Snow Dog might be the fall guy.

Turnip Head 2.0
3
Epignosis (8), nijuukyugou (14), kneel4justice (15)
19%

Turnip Head wrote:Well I'm starting to think snow dog is bad after all and some of his teammates are using this chance to save him and get me out with little culpability.
You solved that mystery pretty quickly.

That's enough for me to push for TH. If TH winds up bad, I think we can certainly look for teammates among the Snow Dog voters, and start to look back to see what other connections he's made.

Votes TH

I have about a page and a half to catch up on, and then I'll vote.

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:So I just wanted to mention that I nailed my interviewer. I feel extremely confident about how I did and I think I got her into the position!
Fixed.

Oh believe me, I wish I did.

I'll need to look into TH 2.0 a little more tonight. I think Epig might be onto something there.

So I just wanted to mention that I nailed my interview. I feel extremely confident about how I did and I think I got the position!

Snow Dog wrote:OK...anything you want me to attempt to clear up? I thought my posts were OK

1. Maybe some baddies amongst Boogs voters.
2. Is everyone still keen on AP.

I don't see any problem there. But maybe i don't play the game well.

I'll be honest. Right here, it's starting to feel like a plea of desperation I've used many times as a cornered baddie. Often in the past, when I'm bad and have been "caught", I'll start ferreting around and asking people to ask me if there is anything I can clear up. I don't think it makes you bad, but I know it's the only time I've used that strategy. And funny enough, it's never worked for me.

I'm thinking you're most likely bad, but you still have time to change my mind.

thellama73 wrote:
birdwithteeth11 wrote:RIP Boogs! Sorry I missed yet another vote, but right now, most of my free time is being devoted to my interview on Thursday. Once that is over, I will have more time to devote to this game.
How is an event that happens on Thursday taking up your time now? That is a logical impossibility.

It isn't when it's a presentation and panel interview for a promotion with work. I've been working on this thing and tweaking it constantly for almost a week and a half now. :P

RIP Boogs! Sorry I missed yet another vote, but right now, most of my free time is being devoted to my interview on Thursday. Once that is over, I will have more time to devote to this game. As for Boogs, he had said enough that I was seriously considering not voting for him. Not sure who I would have voted for honestly.

Bye Lizzy.

But welcome back juliets!

Hedgeowl wrote:WB juliets! As to your question I believe there was some suspicion of Lizzy mentioned before she needed to be replaced, but I dont know the specifics. Maybe those who brought it up could chime in.

I'm curious about this as well. Mostly because I don't remember what the other reasons were.

I'm really starting to feel like some of us forgot to take our chill pills. Remember, it's a game. If you're starting to feel incredibly frustrated, or feel tempted to resort to name-calling, take a minute to walk away and catch your breath. I know I don't harbor any strong negative feelings about any of you, and you're all terrific players and I like playing with all of you! You make it interesting to say the least! :P But seriously, I understand people getting frustrated or upset in mafia. I do it all the time. But knowing when to commit something to typed-out words we can all see, when to take it to the host or an admin, or when to walk away for a few minutes makes it a lot less stressful.

I've already said my piece on the whole Boogs thing. CBK's case was what made me go back and look at him more, and I found several good reasons to be looking at him. But unless someone has questions to ask me personally about it, I'm done with it for now. Because it seems like it's just stoking the kettle right now.

Also, Dan, you've done a terrific, super fantastic job hosting your first-ever game so far! And theme aside, I'm enjoying it just because of that, man!

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