The Syndicate

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2023 5:14 pm Ok caught up.

My thoughts have been all over the place today.

My read of Epi is based on I'm always wrong in my gut about him so I just call him opposite and move on and has been a pretty good strategy so far. So but says Epi us bad but brain says he's good.

My Wigly read is a bit shaky I was all good thinking he was town until---- he started posting. I can't help it. It makes me nervous.

My Kate read feels like I possibly made it on quicksand. I'm trying very hard to not suspect her I *know* for a fact that she is busy. But to not post at all? Not even a couple of quick reads? Idk,idk,idk. I feel icky just thinking she could be bad.

My Princess read is all vibe. I really feel they are town. I'm just vibing with their posts. I cannot seem to make you pop up to mention you but I have a question. What do you think of Michelle/Epi vs Wiml? Let's chat about it please.

Michelle and Wiml damn. I have to sleep on all I've digested in the last few pages. I really have you both as town now I have Epi and Michelle and their cases on Wiml.

If I go on gut I feel Wiml does come across as a bit cornered only bc they kept trying to shut down their investigation.

Princess please respond to my query.

I'm really sorry. I can't do any quick reads bc I haven't even read. I am so sorry. I never play this way and I would never use real life to cover my wolfness. This slot is civ. I've asked for a sub.

I'll see you all in a few weeks after Andrew is gone to school.

Love you all.

Oh shit. Unbelievable day. Want me to hammer? I'm fine. I'll be back tonight and it's my anniversary on top of it!

Ps. Just paid deposit for Andrew to go to college! *sob*

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 2:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:39 pm I came across that reading your ISO Neon, but perhaps for the sake of brevity, could you talk to me about your read on Kate?
It's not a great read but Kate knows me possibly as good or better than anyone in this game and generally has a good track record of reading me town including finding me like immediately just last game so her complete flop on reading me correctly and the lack of conviction and the lack of content and the lack of being a loud voice for town. It's concerning.

I just had a lot of crap irl. And if you know me, I'd NEVER blame rl to protect my wolfness. I think that's lame play.

I just played 2 games with him.

1. Bad. Was quiet and evasive, but popping in and out and still personable.

2. Good. More involved in solving. Much more. Still personable.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:06 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 12:57 pm Why are yall voting for 7up?

Talk to me about what you find in his ISO

Carbonation, sugar and artificial flavorings.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 02, 2023 1:01 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:06 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:03 pm Why do you always have five spaces between two lines?
The world may never know.

Honestly, it's a mystery even to me

OK, I think I cracked this nut @Epignosis @Kate

I likely have one of the lowest word count per post/game in TS

I believe putting extra space between the sentences is my version of Big Truck syndrome, except it relates to my word count instead of my phallus

Let me guess, without reading, princess Abigail has used ATE to get yall to move off her?

Why are yall voting for 7up?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 10:02 pm Next person to post an honest read that I haven't already seen gets a cookie.

Three hundred and sixty three new posts??

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:19 pm Is cheesecake a pie or cake?

Not pie. I suppose it's cake, but in a class if it's own.

Pie is delicious.

So much better than cake.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 9:00 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:58 pm In one game I was pi!
I hope your vote was worth 3.1415926535897932384626433 votes.

It always is

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:56 pm Definitive proof that Kate is A WOLF.

In one game I was pi!

I used to be scared as shit to post, as either alignment. Once I got passed that and decided it's just a game,, I got a lot better and had a lot more fun.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:54 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:52 pm You did a chart about me with an analysis of posts per day.
Oh I see. Sure that can be called "stats". It's only a small piece of a much bigger puzzle though. If anyone ever posts an equation into the game thread and says "vote Kate! The equation says vote Kate!", I will agree that it is not sound strategy.

I like you. Your like the Ying to my yang or summat.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:50 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:47 pm @Kate what is your read on me?
I personally think of you as a Medium Rare Steak Dinner with a side of Fondant Potatoes
It would seem that I am absolutely not what I eat.
If wolves eat civs, does that make wolves civs?

It's too late for your mental gymnastics!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:47 pm @Kate what is your read on me?

I don't know you. That's where my system fails.

Wiml too. Or either.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s
You know I'm very tempted to have you guys lynch me just so I could prove definitively that intuition is better than stats.
What does voting you out have to do with stats?

You did a chart about me with an analysis of posts per day.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

Could be #1.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:27 pm I've become enlightened.

Team is:
Epi, Abigail
Epi, Kate
Wiml, Abigail
Wiml, Kate
Wilgy, Kate

Miss me wit dem @s

You know I'm very tempted to have you guys lynch me just so I could prove definitively that intuition is better than stats.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:39 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:34 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:33 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:31 pm Mafia fucked up by killing Seanzie.

Reason why is I was going to fuck Seanzie up for them.
If youre town, and I think you might be, we need to gather and rally. Lynching zenon is a big mistake. How many mislynches do we have left?
Who'd you replace? I'm still four pages behind.
Robyn.

Well then I hope people will take a leap of faith with me and not vote zenon. She is smack dab in her civ meta.
Tell me what you know of Zenon's "civ meta."
Oh God. You know I play on feels.

Shes genuine. She's uber frustrated and not in a whiny, I'm caught fake way. She's determined and a bit scattered. When she's bad, she has her thoughts more collected and while she still post A LOT there more of a method to her madness that is not present here.

From bad dates.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 8:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:43 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:41 pm I was very confident and VERY wrong on wilgy once. I still wake up screaming from the nightmares.
What makes that Abigail post "too coherent"?
When she is wolf, she's all over the place. I'm pretty sure I described her the exact opposite way in the last game.

*civ. Ebwob

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:43 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:41 pm I was very confident and VERY wrong on wilgy once. I still wake up screaming from the nightmares.
What makes that Abigail post "too coherent"?

When she is wolf, she's all over the place. I'm pretty sure I described her the exact opposite way in the last game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 6:11 pm It was when I read this that I thought that implied a dif. Not sure why exactly.
I think I find the confidence of Kate's tone to be incongruent with the material she is bringing into question. To find it suspicious is fine, but that was a bit much.

So we're left with either confident Kate is right or Kate is fake. Obviously confident Kate can be wrong too, but when I think about things in the broader POE it makes sense to think about a difference check.

I was very confident and VERY wrong on wilgy once. I still wake up screaming from the nightmares.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 5:25 pm Kate's volume trends:

Currently
18 posts

Town
Cyberpunk - 114 posts, 2 cycles (57 per)
Sesame Street - 80 posts, 1 cycle (80 per)
Summer Sh*t - 275 posts, 2 cycles (138 per)
Muppet Babies - 98 posts, 1 cycle (98 per)
Hotdog Fingers - 360 posts, 6 cycles (60 per)
Lawyers, Guns, Money - 344 posts, 4 cycles (86 per)
Bad Dates - 107, 1.5 cycles (71 per) *replacement

Mafia
Felt Mafia 3 - 115 posts, 3 cycles (38 per)
Scooby Doo - 194 posts, 4 cycles (49 per)

I won't call this damning, because every game is circumstantial. But it should be noted that the lowest two post rates are the two mafia games, and this game is on a slow Kate rate. The above list is not comprehensive. I just grabbed a decent handful of what I could find on a quick review of the site Hall of Fame.

However, I challenge you to see if day is 100% my slowest day.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:40 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:29 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:26 am This is not real lol
Reads are fluid, especially this early. Keep doing your thing, Abigail.
Okay but like what I mean by this is not real is that 2 people have said that I'm town

Michelle has said why

They've answered

Michelle has said no

And they've been like oh ha yes you are right in fact no

And nobody thinks this is fishy or weird.

It brings to mind that famous W Bush quote

Fool me once shame on you fool me twice uh never fool me again

This is extremely coherent for a tzenon.

Gonna put my vote here for now.

[VOTE: PA] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 4:14 am If the following people could provide link representative games of the listed alignments like JJJ did earlier then I'd appreciate it greatly:

@DrWilgy - Town
@Epignosis - Mafia
@falcon45ca - Mafia (not the recent one)
@Kate - Mafia
@Quin - Both
@Roxy - Both

Sorry for the mass ping!

In the last year, I've been mafia 3 times. Once I was very sick with covid and barely remember the game (felt) the other 2 I was a lone wolf (scooby doo and se7en). Which one would you like to see?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:41 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:47 pm Michelle
Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, falcon45ca, Wiml

One of these 4 names is a wolf. Spoiler. It's not me.
Why are you confident that there's specifically one wolf in those four names?

Given that you would know that you're town, I'm not seeing a compelling reason why a two vote wagon on another player during RVS has to contain a wolf within the three names with the confidence you're suggesting here.

Not that I don't think it's very plausible but I'm specifically interested about hearing about why you're so confident about this.

If this is in fact true, it's not falcon and I really don't see wolf Michelle at this point. Is anyone thinking this was a post made to throw us off of PA herself?

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2023 3:22 pm I'm very interested in opinions on Roxy from people who have experience playing with her.

Just saw this. I know her very well. I'll pay particular attention in my read through.

Omg I had a crazy crazy day and now I'm Six pages behind??

Ok ill be in soon.

Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:47 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:12 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:04 pm No lol I was just joking. But in general I fins that most of the early loud players are 90% civ.
Bummer. I would have enjoyed following that lead.
Let me consult my crystal ball.

Although if I were wilgy and I randed wolf AGAIN I may not show up

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:12 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:04 pm No lol I was just joking. But in general I fins that most of the early loud players are 90% civ.
Bummer. I would have enjoyed following that lead.

Let me consult my crystal ball.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 10:03 pm Why do you always have five spaces between two lines?

The world may never know.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:49 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 8:40 pm So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy.

*solved*
Is this to suggest you view everyone that has posted so far as civilians?

No lol I was just joking. But in general I fins that most of the early loud players are 90% civ.

So it must be Quin, diet Pepsi and poor poor Dr wolfy.

*solved*

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:31 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:27 pm Is this the beginning...of...it...?
Not sure what you mean!

Your analytic methods that you told me to watch for!

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:31 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:29 pm One more thing sir, if you have a suspicion why don’t you use your vote?
I don't always believe that spamming votes onto people is the best course of action. When people get heavily wagoned right after a game starts, they can get thrown off-balance even when they are town and struggle to find their way back. I'm giving you space to breathe and play.

I also dislike this because, in my experience, the first few big talkers are usually town so they end up setting the table for a mislynch and the wolves saunter in and take advantage of it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 6:03 pm Civilians
falcon45ca -- probably town, and something to be mindful of moving forward. falcon tends to inevitably become vote-bait eventually, and if he's town right now he'll still be town later.

Have posted, no read
Wiml -- early posts are perfectly okay, but they don't inform me about Wiml's motivations yet.
Kate -- town read on falcon could use qualification, otherwise no impression

No posts yet
Abigail
DrWilgy
Epignosis
Lime Coke
Quin
Roxy

Suspicion exists
Michelle -- initial reads are a little hard to believe

This post is largely for my own mental organization, but might as well share.

I very rarely give qualification or much reason, but falcon doesn't bound into the game talking about actual game stuff as wolf. And I can't remember wold falcon ever being on eof the first voter, which he just became when he voted Michelle. So my read on him remains civ.

Me and falcon, town core. Lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:46 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:39 pm JJJ you mind linking a couple representative town games of yours?

And ideally a representative wolf game that's not the Don't Starve one.
Sure, or at least I can try. I have played so seldom in recent years that they tend to get dated quickly. But here are a few:

Town

Champs practice game on Student Doctor Network
Another earlier SDN game

Mafia

Kid's Birthday Party Mafia
Halvøsen Ridge

Is this the beginning...of...it...?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:32 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:26 pm Falcon is town, Wiml feels good

I can sleep, I have a town core

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:16 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:14 pm Hi everyone, I waited for this game to start with so much joy and excitement!
Maybe because of the bugs, or because the playerslist is so cool, I let you guess!

Let's have a fun game
Good to play with you again Michelle.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:14 pmLinki: we don't murder people in cold blood, sir, we analyze facts and eliminate the suspects
Well exactly two of us murder in cold blood, unless of course we want to argue that the civilians are the bad guys for killing someone first. We can disregard the moral implications of our actions though. Everything we do here is for the greater good.
Thanks, likewise!

There's no bad guy in this game, only good guys who received a villain role!

I don't feel I've done anything to merit a townread

What are you seeing that I'm not?

I'd say civ too.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:28 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:26 pm Hi everybody
Hey Kate! Cool to finally play a game with you. I can't be certain, but I suspect we might have a decent yin-yang dynamic available to us, you and I. Your style is heavily intuitive, and it's a nice complement to, well, you'll see.

Only applicable if you received a town role.

I'm town. I'm always town!

Hi everybody

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2023 5:21 pm And obviously having a pleasant set of players toxicity-wise is very nice as well.

Well hello there, I'm Kate!

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