The Syndicate

I think I have an idea who sorta is. You dont?

The reason I'm willing to overlook that vote was that it seems Svs was resigned to her fate by then. Remember her trying to get herself lynched over me? Lol.

I'm going to vote bea. I don't think sorsha or dh are as likely to be bad.

I also want to mention one other thing. I've mentioned bea a few times and she just doesn't acknowledge it. That always freaks me a bit.

Elohcin wrote:Beer, Wine, Alcohol, Blech! I'm definitely not a drinker. But Epi told me once that bea can put them away

And can I get a hip-hip-hooray! Bye Bye SVS!!!

Here's the vote post from the poll anyway.

DharmaHelper wrote:
Kate wrote:Do you think there might be a reason she is acting that way?
Maybe

well, I was thinking of a specific role for her, that is not a teammate of elo and svs, that may cause her to act purposefully obtuse on that issue.

Do you think there might be a reason she is acting that way?

Epi, do you have Fridays poll?

Sorsha wrote:I don't trust Eloh or Kate but I'm leaning a bit more towards a Kate vote today. I feel like the only evidence against Eloh is that she slightly defended SVS at one point. Kate did so as well saying she thought the case llama had against SVS was a vendetta against her. Also, I re-read quite a few players last night and a lot of players were giving SVS the botd early on, myself included, not everyone of them could be baddies. What puts Kate a bit higher on the list are a couple of comments from SVS:

S~V~S wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why are you all lynching Kate? I doubt she is bad.
Good defense.
I apparently don't need one today, lol.

I expected to come in here after work, and find myself 90% dead, and then this inexplicable turn of events happens.

I said previously that i suspent INH, and this kinda just reinforces it for me. No one has been talking about anything but me FOR DAYS, and now INH leads us to lynch...someone else? the only reason i can see for that is to keep the distraction around.

FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why are you all lynching Kate? I doubt she is bad.
Is there anyone you would like to lynch? Because up until now, I don't think there is one person you mentioned for a lynch
Yes i did, I said i thought INH was suspicious like days ago, before he joined Llama & THs erroneous crusade on me. The whole Kate is bad case is mainly based on association with me, so why are people lynching her before me? They want to keep the distraction around, if i am the only topic of discussion, they can skate.

So that where my vote is going, since for once i have the luxury of not having to save myself. I am voting for INH
Here she is asking "why are you voting Kate? I doubt she is bad" and saying the case on Kate is based mainly on an association with her (SVS). Then trying to turn the lynch to inh.

I think if Kate was civvie SVS wouldn't really care if kate got the noose over her. She voted Dom out of self preservation, why not Kate? I'm seeing this as possible distancing, anyone else?

I'm reading through now. This post of sorsha's sticks out to me. While it was wrong, I don't think she would have posted this if she was a teammate of elo's. way too blatant defending, swaying for a teammate.

I think

Metalmarsh89 wrote:I don't have much time today, but I'll be putting my vote on Kate.

When this happens, time constraints and all, are you allowed to talk about other people or can you only vote me?

I see that the second to last prize poll is missing from the other thread. That was the night bea and fz tied. Elo voted bea. I moved my vote to fz specifically to tie it because I didn't want to vote the Same as elo.

Bea has done a few things that pinged me and is on my list of three. However in a read through I see she laid the second vote on Svs in her lynch. I had some feels that when she was questioning me on elo that she may have been working the distancing thing. Then she failed to vote in elos lynch at all. So that's not a help.

I need to go read sorsha again now. Dh, what are you thoughts on bea or sorsha?? Same question to bea on sorsha and dh. And sorsha, you gave thoughts on dh, what about bea?

I don't think it's dh. I think he's dropped some subtle hints that make me want to lay off of him.

insertnamehere wrote:I'm voting Kate because why not

Really?

insertnamehere wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
FZ. wrote:
Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Kate wrote:Are we sure this is a good thing?
No idea. Another reason for voting INH.
Are you saying he's your least trusted?
Yes. It's doubtful that all three baddies voted Dom on day 1, which would clear you and Kate (and birdwithteeth of course). That leaves juliets (Andrew), bea, DH, INH, Sorsha, and myself. SVS was being defensive early in the game and was called out for it. In response, she attempted to make a case on INH here. This could be seen as distancing.

To be fair though, I have not looked at any of the other players on the above list.
So, to be clear, your case on me is that I didn't vote to lynch a civ, and the baddie leader made a case on me.

So I was reading through and I thought this post made some sense. (The metal part). So if we take his reasoning that would leave bea, dh, inh, sorsha and metal as suspects. Since metal made this post and I'm using it for theorizing, I'm going to remove him from the list bc if I trust the list I feel I should trust that he would nt make it if he were bad.

I also think that elos partner did not vote yesterday. It sure wasn't inh IMO who waged a war against Svs earlier in the game nor do I believe It could be fz who put the last nail in the coffin.

That leaves me with bea, dh and sorsha who are my three main suspects going into this day.

Rip jc

insertnamehere wrote:I'll take it guys.

Ok.

Does anyone want it?

Are we sure this is a good thing?

Elo come on. It's nothing personal. You were bad. You're acting like I lynched a civ.

insertnamehere wrote:Oh wait, I only saw the Night 4 post, and assumed Elo survived the lynch. But wow, Kate. You seemingly pulled that case out of thin air. Info perhaps?

Lol no info. I was just 59% sure I was right

Good game elo.

Oh thank god.

Elohcin wrote:
juliets wrote:Well, I at this point have a strong enough feeling that kate is good that I'm going to vote for eloh in hopes of saving kate. Kate does have some solid points against Eloh though I do acknowledge maybe both of them are good, but I have to take that chance. And fz i didn't mean for anything I said to sound exclusive, I was just providing my insight and what it's based on. I am going to vote eloh.
Can we say, popularity contest. Only BFFs allowed.

Come on. As if I didn't work for that. I was here all day!

Lets look on the bright side. If I am, we will be lifelong mafia friends and always remember this lynch!

I admittedly was not paying attn. I'm hosting a largish game on rev. My posts up until yesterday were ridiculously low for me. I'm not a low poster as a civ or a baddie.

Sorsha wrote:I don't trust Eloh or Kate but I'm leaning a bit more towards a Kate vote today. I feel like the only evidence against Eloh is that she slightly defended SVS at one point. Kate did so as well saying she thought the case llama had against SVS was a vendetta against her. Also, I re-read quite a few players last night and a lot of players were giving SVS the botd early on, myself included, not everyone of them could be baddies. What puts Kate a bit higher on the list are a couple of comments from SVS:

S~V~S wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why are you all lynching Kate? I doubt she is bad.
Good defense.
I apparently don't need one today, lol.

I expected to come in here after work, and find myself 90% dead, and then this inexplicable turn of events happens.

I said previously that i suspent INH, and this kinda just reinforces it for me. No one has been talking about anything but me FOR DAYS, and now INH leads us to lynch...someone else? the only reason i can see for that is to keep the distraction around.

FZ. wrote:
S~V~S wrote:Why are you all lynching Kate? I doubt she is bad.
Is there anyone you would like to lynch? Because up until now, I don't think there is one person you mentioned for a lynch
Yes i did, I said i thought INH was suspicious like days ago, before he joined Llama & THs erroneous crusade on me. The whole Kate is bad case is mainly based on association with me, so why are people lynching her before me? They want to keep the distraction around, if i am the only topic of discussion, they can skate.

So that where my vote is going, since for once i have the luxury of not having to save myself. I am voting for INH
Here she is asking "why are you voting Kate? I doubt she is bad" and saying the case on Kate is based mainly on an association with her (SVS). Then trying to turn the lynch to inh.

I think if Kate was civvie SVS wouldn't really care if kate got the noose over her. She voted Dom out of self preservation, why not Kate? I'm seeing this as possible distancing, anyone else?

She's my best friend Irl. She does that. I can't explain why. And it's not like I always (or ever ) return the favor. Maybe she knew she was going down that day or the next why not keep me alive? Best I got for someone else's motivations.

*sigh*

The only thing I can add as to dh is that he was at least originally looking at me, which is wrong. But you can def be wrong as a civ. I'm pretty neutral on him.

FZ. wrote:I actually think that both Elo and Kate could be civvies. I think Elo is acting very differently than she has in previous games I've played, and I thought it was in indication of trying to look like a civvie hunting baddies down, but she claims she's deliberately trying to change her game, and if that's true, I really like the new Elo.
Then we have Kate trying to hint at being something and there's a part of me that thinks she might be telling the truth, especially since we don't have anyone else calling her a liar, at least for that thing. Granted, that person could be TH, but I doubt it. But then,if she's telling the truth, she has no way of knowing Elo's alignment, so I don't get it.

I have to be honest here, I'm worried about DH. He hasn't voted for SVS this whole time. He voted for llama, and he's been doing nothing to catch baddies. If anything, he's been laying real low. There's a chance I'm going to vote for him, because I'm not sure if I can pick one between Elo and Kate

First off I don't think she's a civvie for a second. I've played quite a few games with elo and she gets drama overload when accused as a baddie which I'm seeing here.

I made a stupid mistake which was caused by a lack of attention to the game. I'm also hosting right now. I just had an idea of what something was and never went back to look...I guess because I thought I knew

I think I know about elo because my case is solid. She was washy washy about Svs. She jumped on what she hoped would be a Kate wagon. And I've played with her before. I really think she's bad.

I believe it was a 2 way tie. The night post said it was a secret or summat.

You and bea iirc.

insertnamehere wrote:
Kate wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:

Willow
Willow is the custodian of the child of the prophecy: Elora Danan. If Willow (or anyone with the child) receives a vote, then he must give up Elora that Night to someone he trusts.

Meegosh
Protects Willow from all Night actions, but cannot prevent Willow from having to pass the baby to someone else.

Exactly my point.

Inh I believe you are civ. if I get lynched here mark my words and vote elo next.
k

Now I almost hope to be lynched just so you'll look like the fool you are acting like.

DharmaHelper wrote:I just realized this game is 50% Willow Spire.

Yup.

insertnamehere wrote:
Epignosis wrote:

Willow
Willow is the custodian of the child of the prophecy: Elora Danan. If Willow (or anyone with the child) receives a vote, then he must give up Elora that Night to someone he trusts.

Meegosh
Protects Willow from all Night actions, but cannot prevent Willow from having to pass the baby to someone else.

Exactly my point.

Inh I believe you are civ. if I get lynched here mark my words and vote elo next.

Out of my mind? Wow. You have changed your tone.

I do not think you are an easy target. I think you're a bad target who needs to be lynched. I see how now you are softening you accusation. Kate, may be a civ...sure. But wrap up that post with kate is out of her mind. Which is it elo?

My posts on you are solid. You subtly defended Svs then tried to keep her from getting lynched by jumping on any other name mentioned. Unfortunately for you I lived.

insertnamehere wrote:
juliets wrote:So INH can you share any more than that with us without outing yourself?
This is going to sound like vague bull, but unless I was blocked yesterday, I think that a certain player who I don't want to possibly out is the role that Kate is claiming. There's roughly a 41% chance.

That's better then the 1/9 chance with Kate.

I'm not sure what role you think I'm "claiming" but I don't see anyway that anyone could figure it out other than one turn of events which did not occur.

The baby is no longer an element of the game I don't thjnk. But she was safe the entire time she was.

insertnamehere wrote:
Kate wrote:Because I misread another players role and how it relates to mine specifically.
I need an eye roll smiley.

Inh take a second and open your mind. Maybe read the roles and see if you could come up with what I'm saying. Cuz seriously, you're wrong.

Because I misread another players role and how it relates to mine specifically.

Elohcin wrote:I couldn't kill you

For real though. No, you said baddies join bandwagons and civvies start them. So....I thought I would prove my civviness.

Oh. Funny.

Elohcin wrote:How's that for not joining a bandwagon, kate?

What do you mean? Because you didn't kill me?

I don't know how to multiquote. Never have.

Elohcin wrote:All this sounds promising. I am willing to go with Kate or SVS....steer away boys.

This is so baddie it's practically an admission.

"So one of you civs please cast the first vote so I can jump on the bandwagon and have no liability for causing this civ lynch."

This is classic baddie maneuver. Baddies don't start bandwagons they jump on them. So out of no where my name is mentioned and you vote me over Svs? Wonder why?

Elohcin wrote:I think Kate is one to look back at as well. She is awful quiet and I don't remember seeing much substance in her contributions. I will be rereading her and SVS today. It seems like everything points to SVS being bad, but there is still that nagging in the back of my mind that she may have been set up b/c of her emotional reaction over Andrew.

More subtle defending.

Elohcin wrote: TH!

I guess there is only one place to look, right? Unless...What if SVS has just played a horrible civvie game b/c she got too emotionally caught up in the Andrew mess with llama and the baddies have used this opportunity to their advantage. :o I hate second guessing myself

Second guessing...or subtle defense

Oh and I'm switching to fz as well.

Certainly

Elo you're such an obvious baddie. You are so over dramatic when caught. Tone it down girl.

How are you digging your grave? Because when my VERY civ role is revealed after you get me lynched you will most certainly be the next to go.

I'm going to vote sorsha. I think she is most likely playing her civ game here.

I guess what made me say it in the first place was gut/ping. Her reaction sealed it for me.

I'll have more time to go through later and see if there was something g else I noticed that I'm forgetting.

bea wrote:Awesome lynch result!!!

Welcome JC!!!

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
insertnamehere wrote:Although I would like to state that I would love to win the prize. I'm somewhat of a confirmed civ, so that prize would be very nice to have. Also, linki on DH's post. I'm changing my vote to Sorsha.
Did I miss something here? SVS' vote on you does not confirm you as civ.
MM...I thought the same thing when I read that.

But, despite the fact that he's not confirmed in my book, he's been making a lot of sense this game. Outside of the fear mongering bit about dying on a night when no kill happens, I've agreed with him in general more than I've not. Which, as I said earlier, is somewhat surprising to me as I'm more used to INH's zany side.

Kate - I remember you mentioning that you wanted to take a look at elo during the last night phase and then after today's vote trading you were pretty convinced she is bad. Can you give me anything else besides what you think is an erroneous vote for you that makes you so sure she is bad? Also - why was her vote more bad than the votes from DH and INH toward you?

Well it was also her sudden decision to vote me after my mention of rereading her as a suspect. Also, I think she jumped on the idea of voting me to keep from having a lynch of svs occur.

insertnamehere wrote:Finally! I'm definitely going to look at all who formed the llama voting block, and all of those who associated with SVS, and saved her on multiple occasions. I'm thinking a possible Kate lynch tomorrow, I'll come up with more later. I'm just terrified for tonight.

Try to have an original thought. K?

OK that's one down. So elo tomorrow!

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