The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 1:15 pm i'll add in a point that it's ~interesting she goes on to call seanzie villagery for "sticking to his guns" even tho he basically did the complete opposite

which was to start aggressively tunneling her early and then to drop it without much explanation as to why (if any). i don't see how that's sticking to his guns, personally

Seanzie gave exactly zero guns as to why he voted for me.

Do we have a screenshot of the poll?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:06 pm I was actually townreading Seanzie and making up reasons to scumread them to see what would happen
because I wanted to be more proactive rather than reactive and someone told me that might be something I could try

it didn't really work as expected lol

Well then. That's both ironic and hilarious

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:59 pm I think I might just be really bad at mafia

Well it was your post that made me move to seanzie.

Roxy and splints always have open nights.

That was some awesome teamwork

Yessssss!!!

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:53 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:48 pm Oh 3 of you are voting me?? That's very bad guys, very bad. Sorry I'm late to the game but I'm civ.

I'm gonna start a (vanilla) town streaking like seanzie.
Isn't this game mountainous?

Yes, why?

I hate day 1

What is cfd?

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:37 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:21 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:10 pm Yeah I really have no idea who to vote, but I don't think Ted is a hit

[VOTE: psv] aubergine I guess, got those ickies I was talking about before
What are your thoughts on Ted? Any thoughts specifically related to why he isn't defending at all but has been active in thread?
I just don't even know how the wagon formed

Like when did all of these votes show up?? And that's leading me to believe they're town because of how easy these votes piled on and there no effort other than me to get them off. And I'm town so it's like

I dunno, a lot of people don't really defend themselves. Like I will go down kicking and screaming, you will too, but I know a lot of people who read defending as scummy. And they've left a legacy without even being prompted which I find towny and sorts defendy in its own right

I kind of agree that despite the "whatever" the rest of it was not overly bad.

Yea I don't get not fighting or saying anything to avoid being lynched. Being lynched as a civ is like a fate worse than death to me lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:37 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:37 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:35 pm it's true. the main reason i consider you a townread right now is because our view of the game has been more or less in lockstep and your solving has felt increasingly authentic to me as the day has gone on

ive made a point of not coming after you too hard because i wanted to give you space to solve regardless of your alignment
Much appreciated
fwiw that post was directed at camilia but the sentiment kind of applies to you as well :P

Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:36 pmVote: Sean

Oh hello there, neon.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:35 pm it's true. the main reason i consider you a townread right now is because our view of the game has been more or less in lockstep and your solving has felt increasingly authentic to me as the day has gone on

ive made a point of not coming after you too hard because i wanted to give you space to solve regardless of your alignment

Much appreciated

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:34 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:30 pm for posterity, my perception of the game right now is:

town:

spf
psv
dennis

townlean:

pyxxy
kate
camilia
lemonfairy
camilia(?)

idk anymore:

neon
seanzie
falcon
ted
sig
sixstrings
The paranoia is real.

I'd like to see more from pyxxy tbh.

In my experience, sig is a very responsible player. It's unusual for him to miss a vote and even more unlikely if he has a team counting on him.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:32 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:24 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:23 pm I remember Seanzie was the first to push PSV and I think they were also the first to back off
do you think it could be theatre?
Just reading lemons iso and this post stuck out to me.

This makes me want to vote seanzie.
I'd ideally prefer Seanzie/Ted wagons over the PSV one, tbh.

Especially since two of my strongest TRs are on the former.

Agree.

@Seanzie please come talk.

I'm gonna move to seanzie.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:23 pm I remember Seanzie was the first to push PSV and I think they were also the first to back off
do you think it could be theatre?

Just reading lemons iso and this post stuck out to me.

This makes me want to vote seanzie.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:10 pm Yeah I really have no idea who to vote, but I don't think Ted is a hit

[VOTE: psv] aubergine I guess, got those ickies I was talking about before

What are your thoughts on Ted? Any thoughts specifically related to why he isn't defending at all but has been active in thread?

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:09 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:06 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:01 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:41 pm I also don't like that Ted and falcon are the 2 left sitting on psv.
why not?
It feels like they were opportunistic votes and now that the wagon shifted to you, yall remain there hoping it goes back. Just a gut feeling once I looked up and saw the 2 of you together.
Curious

Why do you seem to already have a partnership made between the two of them?

I was asked to give my top 3 suspicions, which I gave as ted, falcon and seanzie.

Shortly after that, I was looking at the polll and noticed that Ted and falcon had voted together and were the 2 still left on psv.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:01 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:41 pm I also don't like that Ted and falcon are the 2 left sitting on psv.
why not?

It feels like they were opportunistic votes and now that the wagon shifted to you, yall remain there hoping it goes back. Just a gut feeling once I looked up and saw the 2 of you together.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:59 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:43 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:59 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:49 pm jk

actually, despite Dennis saying they're a lazy D1 player, there were some takes in their posts (most notably the concern on Camilla pushing lhf)
Ted did it too

When I've got people posting 17 page thesises (wtf is thr plural for thesis) it's kind of hard to not start thinking a little
Dennis can you give me the cliff notes on everyone so far?
That'd be way easier if I actually knew what cliff notes are B)

If you really want to get an actual feel probably just iso like, someone in Camilla/spf/ted cause they've lead the conversation thus far

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if the mafia's total posts was less than 7 (original thought, I know)

Camilla was a top wagon for a little bit which I was preparing to come in and strike down today but that has resolved itself. Camilla's been arguably the most outspoken and trying thus far, this is turning into just me pocketing aaaaa, generic townie keep doin whatchya doin

PSV is iffy for me, cause in my catchup I saw one or two posts that gave me iffy feels (I'll go find it in a second). I'd still rather not chop for reasons unexplainable by me

Ted is the top wagon rn and I don't know why. Not so much I'm 100 percent sure they're town, more I feel like no one really explained themselves (maybe I'm just forgetting) and that's currently steering me towards TRing them

Spf making that weird claim where me defending you (Kate) is town indicative for me seems so wild, not even wolfy just like wild, that a wolf wouldn't do it

Everyone else is forgettable thus far, except for pyxxy who has given me approximately 0 feelings

So yah. Idk why people always end up asking me this cause idk what you want but um. There you go

Toward townreading who? Ted or those voting for him?

And thanks for the notes.

I also don't like that Ted and falcon are the 2 left sitting on psv.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:27 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:23 pm Ted, falcon and seanzie.
I'm interested on Falcon?

I feel like he's kind of been UTR as while he has posted quite a few times this game I don't really found any reason to TR him unlike others like Dennis, PSV, or Neon, tbh.

He's usually more aggressive town, so he's a bit off for me this game. Also, iirc he doesn't make overly aggressive fake cases early game when he's wolfy. So with that as a spectrum of falconlike behavior, he's in the red.

Ted, falcon and seanzie.

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Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:18 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:16 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:04 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine
I'm not willing to vote here yet. He's a lost newbie and it def possible he randed bad, but I'd be more willing to look at other low posters who know better than to hide. I'm not a big fan of voting off low posters day 1.
So what are your top three eliminations rn?

I'm so bad at doing this. I say this at least once pregame, but I come from the OS of playing where you play your cards close to your chest to avoid a nk bc in the old days we couldn't win if we died. So it's very unnatural for me to make lists and such. I'm trying to adjust on that. Let me look through...I was just about to post the posts per person.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:17 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:16 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:04 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine
I'm not willing to vote here yet. He's a lost newbie and it def possible he randed bad, but I'd be more willing to look at other low posters who know better than to hide. I'm not a big fan of voting off low posters day 1.
if he's a newbie then voting on the top wagon with no explanation and dipping is probably almost outing tbh

If you think he's bad, I won't try to dissuade you from voting there, I'm just not willing to one day one.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:04 pm [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine

I'm not willing to vote here yet. He's a lost newbie and it def possible he randed bad, but I'd be more willing to look at other low posters who know better than to hide. I'm not a big fan of voting off low posters day 1.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 3:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:22 pm wait, when is the deadline?
Something is telling me 10pm but I don't know who that voice is whispering in my head so I might be wrong

No it's like 5pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:59 pm kate, you said you invited psv to play here, have you seen them play at all?

if yes, then what do you think about their alignment?

No I never played with her before. We were chatting in the discord.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:53 pm

Yes, that's how I felt when I reread it too

SixStrings wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:37 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:04 pm Normally I am strongly defensive of afk townies getting voted D1 but [VOTE: SixStrings] aubergine.

Probably just a "I'm not familiar with you so I have no qualms about your potential mischop" vote from me, but hey, that's life.

I don't like the Kate wagon. But that's all. Kate's already here writing things, I won't get in the way.

Not feeling the PSV wagon either.

Ted wagon is a maybe for me, or at least was before I went to sleep. Maybe I'll ISO later, idk, not much time. I could see there being one in Ted/Falcon. I still sus Falcon, I think I just expect scum!Falcon to have returned to the thread by now? Maybe the wagons are fine, maybe he's asleep, maybe I should just be voting him instead?

Sig is an option but I also remember a very absent Sig once before and Marmot(?) telling me sig used to be a common mischop back in the Syndicate days of yore so that's why I picked Six instead.

I guess also if people are familiar with Six and think he's a fine wine that ripens as the game goes along, I would switch to Falcon.
Hmm.

Vote: pyx
I am town, this is my third game so I have had little to say so far. I have done some catching up today and I am on the Ted wagon for now.

But, why?

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:50 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:38 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:24 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:54 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:58 pm to be honest it feels to me like one of those games where the wolves are primarily in the lower posters/people with zero presence which makes it uniquely hard to find a wolfread that i feel confident about

it also generally just feels like not enough has happened for me to have a strong understanding of the current gamestate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:02 pm i feel that his pushes have been a bit limp/have fizzled out in a way that shows a lack of internal conviction

can you explain the connection you see between those two posts?
it's mainly that i sorta share the same view, so it's weird to get called out for not having any conviction when there's not much to be pushed on. but it's even funnier that you say it's tough to push anyone with any conviction and then call me out for not having any

i feel like nobody has any conviction and it's obvious why, i don't see why it makes me look bad in your eyes esp when we seemed to share the same view, so you'd have the answer to your question
I read this more of you being waffly and covering your bases more than be super confident, although to be fair she said lack of conviction, but a more nuanced read of that post seems to make more sense to me.

This probably could be worded a lot better, I hope you understand what I'm trying to say. I have a headache and my thoughts don't always come out in a straight line when that's occurring

tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:38 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:24 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 4:54 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 10:58 pm to be honest it feels to me like one of those games where the wolves are primarily in the lower posters/people with zero presence which makes it uniquely hard to find a wolfread that i feel confident about

it also generally just feels like not enough has happened for me to have a strong understanding of the current gamestate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:02 pm i feel that his pushes have been a bit limp/have fizzled out in a way that shows a lack of internal conviction

can you explain the connection you see between those two posts?
it's mainly that i sorta share the same view, so it's weird to get called out for not having any conviction when there's not much to be pushed on. but it's even funnier that you say it's tough to push anyone with any conviction and then call me out for not having any

i feel like nobody has any conviction and it's obvious why, i don't see why it makes me look bad in your eyes esp when we seemed to share the same view, so you'd have the answer to your question

I read this more of you being waffly and covering your bases more than be super confident, although to be fair she said lack of conviction, but a more nuanced read of that post seems to make more sense to me.

[VOTE: ted] aubergineOk I have to step away for a bit. I'm going to drop a vote on Ted and come back and reread his iso again after some tylenol and hopefully have more coherent thoughts.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:02 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 1:41 pm fwiw i feel like giving reads rn would be a LEAK due to 2 non posters

but i’ll add a wolfy remark of i kinda like where things are headed and have noticed nothing that i was going “huh wat” in my head to

a bit of a thing i spotted was alice stating a rand v read on seanzie and then making a post to spf saying she shouldn’t give him an easy villa pass, gth it feels bad but if i’m thinking about it, i don’t see what point it accomplishes as a wolf. might be a villagery progression

tedxtr wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 6:46 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:13 am i townlean potentialsheltervet because she seems unfettered by the pressure on her and has maintained a consistent feeling of comfort even tho a lot of the thread so far has revolved around people accusing her and bcuz the nuance of the way she is reading the ppl pushing her (ie: townreading neon and seanzie for a perceived sincerity in their read on her but then not extending the same to ted) feels organic to me
i picked up on the same thing, except i was unsure if that was villagery. i voted cuz i have a habit of

as for your camilla vote, my gut feeling was to kinda "ehhh do i really buy this angle" on her reads upon me skimming again, but for some reason i don't feel compelled to vote

i'll say having psv as her highest wolf read and neon as villagery were some of the reads i kinda found a bit weird, not for the reads themselves just how she got to them. the neon read seemed off, i don't see why her posting couldn't have been that of a wolf

i mean the reason she gave for neon could be said of mostly everyone, including dennis / kate / maybe even falcon
if i had to verbalize what pinged me about ted, it's probably the idea that it feels like he is specifically searching for people to push as opposed to looking for people to townread, and while this can be a matter of playstyle differences, i feel that his pushes have been a bit limp/have fizzled out in a way that shows a lack of internal conviction

im thinking about the way that he came into the game pushing on dennis for sounding ~overly friendly~ but then dropped the push as soon as the thread consensus started agreeing that dennis was town, or the way that he kind of spoke ...around camilia in a way that could be read as trying to egg on the pushes on her without directly getting his hands dirty himself

yeah idk. it's a bit hard for me to articulate. i just haven't felt a sincere solving process from ted yet

I like this post both its content and vibe. Leads me to think of spf as a townlean.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 6:57 pm @Kate

do you make it a point not to post any game content on n0?

I just wanna know for reasons

Usually day 0 is just shitposting for me.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 2:01 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:56 pm oh we have much less time left than I thought
Yh. I don't think it's likely that Six or Sig is going to post today, tbh.

I don't know what's the protocol in this site for 0-posters but if it's just like MU or FoL then we'll prolly get a slot that can be readable tomorrow.

IMO currently thinking of voting either Kate/Ted.

Well ted would be a better choice than me

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:58 am Anyway I do tend to fall victim to highposter bias easily in general, but my POE is currently Kate, sig, six, and ted.

You're just sussing based on low posts? Bc it seems six and sig have 4 posts between them.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:56 pm I'm going to start with the THREE voting me. You seem civ and solving.

Psv doesn't know me, so her vote could simply be misplaced (combined with my law activity).

Seanzie concerns me the most, as he knows my play at least a bit better than camilla and psv and I'm surprised he would put a vote on me this early. I'm gonna start by looking at his iso.

EBWOP

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:49 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 9:04 pm Camilla

Dennis
SPF

PSV
pyxxy
Neon
Seanzie

Lemonfairy
falcon
Kate
SixString
Sig

Ted

Roughly where I am for like a halfday mark.

Kind of really doubt PSV ever flips W here unless both of his partners are just refusing to play the game since they've basically been the top wagon this entire game, tbh. Mostly confident on my reads on Dennis/SPF even if they're faint-ish being that this has been a fairly light game.
Tell me about Kate and Lemonfairy.

This stands out to me in particular. Seanzie knows me a heck of a lot better than camilla does.

@Seanzie why are you voting me?

I'm going to start with the 2 voting me. You seem civ and solving.

Psv doesn't know me, so her vote could simply be misplaced (combined with my law activity).

Seanzie concerns me the most, as he knows my play at least a bit better than camilla and psv and I'm surprised he would put a vote on me this early. I'm gonna start by looking at his iso.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 1:51 pm @Kate

Do you have any other thoughts outside of Dennis?

I'm reading through now. I've got a headache, doing my best.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:16 pm i think that dennis defending kate is town indicative regardless of kate's alignment

Well it's definitely AI of my alignment, regardless of his.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 11:58 am Anyway I do tend to fall victim to highposter bias easily in general, but my POE is currently Kate, sig, six, and ted.

Ok I'm hereeeeeeee.

Oh 3 of you are voting me?? That's very bad guys, very bad. Sorry I'm late to the game but I'm civ.

I'm gonna start a (vanilla) town streaking like seanzie.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:14 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 11:10 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 4:22 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:29 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:25 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:19 pm
Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 04, 2023 3:12 pm [VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine
Go on

Cause he did this once in a game as town, where he drops in and says just a list, no explanation, and I (maf) pushed a miselim on him

Idk why tf he does it, but it's made me freak out on his slot when he does it and I'm having flashbacks
The list feels kind of pointless as it has tints of busywork since it doesn't really say anything about the game-state at all.

I want actual content from him since we're already beyond the RVS stage of the game.
What do you think of other people who haven't given content yet

Like I have hardly given any content, I totally ignores the D0 arguments (or at least didn't comment), but you seemingly townlean me
I also townlean you. You're looking like your early civ meta.
@staypositivefriend

This was the post.
okay. i just looked through her ISO myself and i think this is probably the thing that pinged me the most:

Kate wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:14 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 6:18 pm But I also feel like several people have barely been here and are but ghosts skulking in the background. What do they think? What do they feel? I know not.
Hi there, I'm here now gonna read through the few pages.

Why are people voting you?

I talked him into this game, don't be rude syndicaters!
because it's not clear why she's asking why people are voting PSV if she doesn't have any intention to follow up with it or engage with the ppl who were scumreading her - feels more like a filler-y question that a wolf asks to look like they're being productive instead of genuinely caring about the answer

feels like im stretching a bit with this read but yeah

I was still in joking around mode there. I was telling the regulars here to lay off psv because I had prodded her into playing.

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