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Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:07 am So do we get everyones role now or are people left to reveal their roles

@Mongoose can handle that I think.

The team of S~V~S, Kate, and Roxy was a dream come true.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 1:02 am well the good news is we would have won if epi didn't decide to be an annoying little non-town player

Mongoose wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:55 am I want to make sure @Lemonfairy gets her due here -- 3/4 baddies in her spread! I was very impressed.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:07 pm so if I order them, I'll get my readlist

town
fingersplints
Marmot
Neon
Roxy

townlean
sig
Rondo
Tony

POE/scum
SVS
Epignosis
Kate
DrWilgy

And we killed for that. Well done.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:46 am SVS and Epi had me completely convinced they were good until I died ngl

We go back a while. We do that.

I enjoyed playing with you Dennis. You strike me as a perceptive and fun person. The fact that we killed you says something, I think.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:43 am
Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:42 am So so so sorry Dennis!

It hurt me more than it hurt you
How does this constitute the use of the flushed emoji, out of curiosity?

I'll let her answer this, but this was the second time Kate and I have been on a team.

I am curious to know if Kate remembers what game the first one was.

Kate wrote: ↑Fri Dec 30, 2022 12:38 am Yay! Baddies!!! What a super fun game and a huge thanks to my teammates for playing it old school and saving my ass!

uwu

I sure pulled the wool over many eyes.

SVS fleeced y'all suckers.

Kate laced your drinks.

Roxy...I don't know what the fuck Roxy did.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 10:23 pm @S~V~S & @Epignosis what are y'alls opinions on Marmot?

I'd have to look. Mostly jokey from what I remember, but I'd have to look.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:39 pm Nobody has even attempted to solve me.

That's untrue.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:24 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:07 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:06 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:25 am I’m very surprised by that kill. I was still suspicious of Dennis, but it seems I was wrong. Dennis, I hope you know that I think you played well. It’s just the nature of the game. People find little suspicions and it sticks sometimes. It can be very hard to be on the receiving end of it, but you did well for your first time getting lots of suspicion. We all get frustrated during mafia sometimes. It’s ok. I hope you still stick around and play more.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes
Who do you think they are trying to bait us into? Kate?

I could see that especially as Marmot came in with a vote for her and rondo claimed a fake red check on her.
Of those two, I was town reading Marmot. This fake check is just fuelling my suspicion of rondo.
I think they baited us into Lucy and are now baiting us into Kate
You're telling us what "they" are doing without telling us who "they" are.

Who dey?

(With apologies to JJJ and bwt)
I think I made it pretty apparent what I'm thinking actually
No you didn't. You made three on-topic posts between this one and now. Here they are:

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:07 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:25 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:09 am I now have physical proof I suck at Mafia.

I recorded all my games of mafia and my win rate is atrocious lol

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:36 am I wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy or even Marmot or Epi are woofin

Do you believe this, or is this more of a "my top suspect was nightkilled and now I'm lost" reaction?
I believe we are way off base and mafia is laughing in our face by killing Dennis. Yes.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:36 am I wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy or even Marmot or Epi are woofin

Do you believe this, or is this more of a "my top suspect was nightkilled and now I'm lost" reaction?
I believe we are way off base and mafia is laughing in our face by killing Dennis. Yes.
Alternatively SVS is scum and they were trying to discredit Quinns solve so we never went there.
I don't see who "they" are.

The only thing you offer is S~V~S being bad, but that's "alternatively." So I don't understand why you raise an alternative theory without making your first one clear.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Dec 28, 2022 9:37 pm My wagon is ass lol

Which end?

I voted [VOTE: Neon] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:39 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:02 pmWhat is +ev?
Effort Values.

Whenever a Pokemon knocks out another pokemon, the knocked out Pokemon provides points called effort values to to the Pokemon that knocked it out.

The amount and type of Effort Values provided is determined by the knocked out Pokemon. For example, knocking out an Azuril will provide 1 hp EV while knocking out a Magikarp will provide 1 speed EV.

A Pokemon can have a total of 510 EVs collected, but only up to 252 in each respective stat. This will often result in stat spreads like 6 HP, 252 Attack, and 252 Speed.

At level 100, every 4 EVs will yield 1 stat point on the Pokemon that collected it.

This is why competitive Pokemon training will often attempt to min max what EVs their Pokemon have collected to meet certain tasks.

A good example is the Speed EV investment on my Dudunsparce, as I've specifically invested 180 Speed EVs and a beneficiary nature so that under the effects of tailwind my Dudunsparce has a speed of exactly 214, out speeding Dragapult, the 2nd fastest Pokemon and the fastest that is commonly used in the VGC format.

How this relates to Mafia is beyond me.

Go sit down.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 9:02 pmWhat is +ev?

EV = expected value. It's an investor's or gambler's term. How much you get back based on how much you put in.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue Dec 27, 2022 12:09 am Am I crazy or are there 15 roles and 16 players?

I count 15 roles and 16 players.

That is wild.

What I want to know is why you saw and commented on this three minutes after your last post.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sun Dec 25, 2022 4:50 pm Merry Christmas to each and every player.

I have had the most wonderful holiday. It was stressful and I was hating every moment of it… then Val said “mommy”

For those who don’t know my daughter is non verbal autistic, and I just want to cry at this moment. It’s been an hour and a half and I’m STILL crying writing this. Merry Christmas all. I love you alll

As the father of an autistic son, reading this is the best moment of my day.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm Is anyone else around for the deadline?
I'm working, but it's quiet. I'm here.
What do you think of Rondo?

Rondo is self-voting and has done nothing to help me figure anything out. Not sad if he goes.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 10:36 pm Is anyone else around for the deadline?

I'm working, but it's quiet. I'm here.

We need a consensus to avoid even the chance of a tie.

sig wrote: ↑Sat Dec 24, 2022 3:58 pm @Epignosis @S~V~S @fingersplints

Do any of you remember Roxy’s mafia meta?

Since she’s either town or very deep wolfing. I can’t recall e if this was how she used to play.

Additionally given she’s just come back from hiatus I feel as if a mafia game would be harder for her vs town so I’m leaning town for sure.

Early on, Roxy was always mafia to me no matter what. It took a long time to get away from that thinking. I will admit I haven't paid much attention to her.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:09 pm
If we think mafia is actively baiting mislynched and strategizing 100% we have to vote off Epi and Wilgy that’s classic behavior for them.

You missed the part where I missed the entire first Day and Night phase.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:09 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 11:07 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:06 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:25 am I’m very surprised by that kill. I was still suspicious of Dennis, but it seems I was wrong. Dennis, I hope you know that I think you played well. It’s just the nature of the game. People find little suspicions and it sticks sometimes. It can be very hard to be on the receiving end of it, but you did well for your first time getting lots of suspicion. We all get frustrated during mafia sometimes. It’s ok. I hope you still stick around and play more.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes
Who do you think they are trying to bait us into? Kate?

I could see that especially as Marmot came in with a vote for her and rondo claimed a fake red check on her.
Of those two, I was town reading Marmot. This fake check is just fuelling my suspicion of rondo.
I think they baited us into Lucy and are now baiting us into Kate
You're telling us what "they" are doing without telling us who "they" are.

Who dey?

(With apologies to JJJ and bwt)
I think I made it pretty apparent what I'm thinking actually

No you didn't. You made three on-topic posts between this one and now. Here they are:

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:07 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:25 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 5:09 am I now have physical proof I suck at Mafia.

I recorded all my games of mafia and my win rate is atrocious lol

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:36 am I wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy or even Marmot or Epi are woofin

Do you believe this, or is this more of a "my top suspect was nightkilled and now I'm lost" reaction?
I believe we are way off base and mafia is laughing in our face by killing Dennis. Yes.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:11 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 10:10 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 9:51 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:36 am I wouldn't be surprised if Wilgy or even Marmot or Epi are woofin

Do you believe this, or is this more of a "my top suspect was nightkilled and now I'm lost" reaction?
I believe we are way off base and mafia is laughing in our face by killing Dennis. Yes.
Alternatively SVS is scum and they were trying to discredit Quinns solve so we never went there.

I don't see who "they" are.

The only thing you offer is S~V~S being bad, but that's "alternatively." So I don't understand why you raise an alternative theory without making your first one clear.

[VOTE: Neon] aubergine

sig charging in here like that is a civilian sig.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 8:27 pm town are sleepwalking through this game.

You're the sleepiest one around here.

sig wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:09 pm
Also also I’ve been told that I’m not using pronouns when I text anymore soooooo except me to fall into tiktok typing patterns here shortly and not use pronouns, adverbs, distinguish between their and there (that ones for Epi ) or any other form of proper grammar and sentence constructions.

I'll except you all right.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 7:06 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 6:25 am I’m very surprised by that kill. I was still suspicious of Dennis, but it seems I was wrong. Dennis, I hope you know that I think you played well. It’s just the nature of the game. People find little suspicions and it sticks sometimes. It can be very hard to be on the receiving end of it, but you did well for your first time getting lots of suspicion. We all get frustrated during mafia sometimes. It’s ok. I hope you still stick around and play more.

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Dec 23, 2022 1:35 am The Dennis kill to me shows the woofs aren't being pressured and that we are running way off base. Not surprising really methinks they are using night kills to bait us into easy misexes
Who do you think they are trying to bait us into? Kate?

I could see that especially as Marmot came in with a vote for her and rondo claimed a fake red check on her.
Of those two, I was town reading Marmot. This fake check is just fuelling my suspicion of rondo.
I think they baited us into Lucy and are now baiting us into Kate

You're telling us what "they" are doing without telling us who "they" are.

Who dey?

(With apologies to JJJ and bwt)

My shift is over until tomorrow.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 11:05 pm Lemonfairy is like a teeeny bit town, i dont know how much of that read is just because of the pfp though

Someone translate please.
Pfp generally means profile picture. Lemon has a cute profile picture, so his opinion may be being influenced by that.

Okay. -Skeletor

Lemonfairy is like a teeeny bit town, i dont know how much of that read is just because of the pfp though

Someone translate please.

Bringing this up to the front so people can see it better.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:19 pm Wilgy town. Quin died and now his boss is deceased? Yeah all that does is set up himself up to get killed. If the other mason flips, then you get lynched (in my world).

Neon probably town, this is like the exact same as LGM

Kate bad like 87% of the time, take this with a grain of salt tho this might be a 'no u'. She dragged me into a conversation I didn't really have anything to say about, and then didn't like my reaction. Complained about OT, but didn't try to get on topic or really say much before our conversation. Then her vote on me felt off, like... 'Blehh you're bad!! Silly!! ' so when I flip town she won't look as bad.

Roxy probably town. She's like the only person who actually tried to explain why she's suspicious of me after I asked like 400 thousand times and I love her for that even if she is bad

splints is scum lean, she twisted (or misinterpreted) my words. I don't think past games is weak, I think using MY first game to compare to this game. Obviously I'm going to be different, I was confused as shit. And if you say 'why didn't you say that' then you clearly aren't reading my messages. Though I interpreted her messages as condescending and mean so maybe this is a 'no u'. Yeah, my wilgy vote was bad. My neon vote wasn't any better, at all. I have heard counterwagons are good and that they're bad so I guess this was the wrong circumstances to counterwagon, whoopsies sorry.

Lucy is town lean because of Quin's theory. she was also very willing to get the game going on D1 and I like that

SVS is town lean because of Quin's theory, nothing else of note

Epignosis is probably town, I like how open minded you are, willing to give me (also ty for the second chance even if I still die <3)

Lemonfairy is like a teeeny bit town, i dont know how much of that read is just because of the pfp though

Marmot town lean, nothing in specific to note. Playing how I would like to one day

Rondo maybe scum. You are making 0 comments despite having had no pressure but then you have apparently figured out the entire scum team, twice. Please elaborate (I say, as I do the same thing but I hope I have explained well enough why)

Sabie not enough content.

TonyStarkPrime not enough content.

Okay, feel free to yell at me for this one. I don't have very good reasoning (as we have already been over lol) and I would like to clarify anything that is on this list.

I'd care about the roof if mine wasn't made of felt.

I'm happy about that kill (sorry Dennis). I think mafia goofed on that one.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Dec 22, 2022 10:12 pm So cute I always wanted a monkey.

Don't you have three of them?

I've got your read right here:

Spoiler: show

Mongoose wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:34 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:34 pm Poop on a stick.
My assistant brought her child to work yesterday and aside from the jumping contest we had, I also inadvertently taught her that Mongooseism.

First chance I got to use it here? I was gonna.

Poop on a stick.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:26 pm I love how literally nothing happened for like 10 minutes and then 14 people changed their votes at the last second

Welcome to The Syndicate.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 10:21 pm lucy voted Kate without a peep.

That's the right vote, folks.
What? No it's really not.

This is so opportunistic. I am legit sick in bed. Who here has ever seen me lay down and die? Either affiliation? No one.

What? I'm saying lucy is the right vote today. As in the right person to vote for.

lucy voted Kate without a peep.

That's the right vote, folks.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:54 pm Because it was getting annoying watching Epig get ignored/overlooked

I don't think lucy has an answer for this.

Two votes missing:
Roxy
sabie12

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 9:38 pm I agree with epi

I do too. What do you agree with him on?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 21, 2022 7:15 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:52 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:21 pm Someone help me understand the Lucy wagon?
It's me and DrWilgy.

I'm voting there for two reasons.

One, to give Dennis some breathing room.

Two, this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:49 pm i'm fine with a falcon vote, i can't follow the guy, i'll iso wigly cause rondo reads are good
Can you point me to where you tried?

i've played 5ish games with rondo over a span of 5 months
Eh?

I was asking about Falcon.
i can't read, literally same amount of month long experience with falcon
I'll try to ask my question again.

You voted Falcon Day 1, and your reason was that you "can't follow the guy."

I am asking this: At what point did you ever try to follow the guy? And by "guy," I mean Falcon.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:19 pm
Kate bad like 87% of the time, take this with a grain of salt tho this might be a 'no u'. She dragged me into a conversation I didn't really have anything to say about, and then didn't like my reaction. Complained about OT, but didn't try to get on topic or really say much before our conversation. Then her vote on me felt off, like... 'Blehh you're bad!! Silly!! ' so when I flip town she won't look as bad.

Dude man up and lynch your mom.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 9:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:52 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:21 pm Someone help me understand the Lucy wagon?
It's me and DrWilgy.

I'm voting there for two reasons.

One, to give Dennis some breathing room.

Two, this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:49 pm i'm fine with a falcon vote, i can't follow the guy, i'll iso wigly cause rondo reads are good
Can you point me to where you tried?

i've played 5ish games with rondo over a span of 5 months
Eh?

I was asking about Falcon.
i can't read, literally same amount of month long experience with falcon

I'll try to ask my question again.

You voted Falcon Day 1, and your reason was that you "can't follow the guy."

I am asking this: At what point did you ever try to follow the guy? And by "guy," I mean Falcon.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:26 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:21 pm Someone help me understand the Lucy wagon?
It's me and DrWilgy.

I'm voting there for two reasons.

One, to give Dennis some breathing room.

Two, this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:49 pm i'm fine with a falcon vote, i can't follow the guy, i'll iso wigly cause rondo reads are good
Can you point me to where you tried?

i've played 5ish games with rondo over a span of 5 months

Eh?

I was asking about Falcon.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:33 pm I'm not really sure where Epi's going with his approach or what his overall worldview is today but I think he seems fine for now.

Mafia mimics life.

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 8:21 pm Someone help me understand the Lucy wagon?

It's me and DrWilgy.

I'm voting there for two reasons.

One, to give Dennis some breathing room.

Two, this:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 12:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Dec 18, 2022 7:49 pm i'm fine with a falcon vote, i can't follow the guy, i'll iso wigly cause rondo reads are good
Can you point me to where you tried?

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 7:53 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 20, 2022 6:48 pm @Dennis Whoa I wanted to trust you and give you leeway this game but I have to be honest here your responses to people today have left me feeling much worse about you. You are only defending. Where are your suspicions? If you are indeed town then give us your top 3 susp and why.
I have stronger baddie vibes from others right now but I see you are a lead target today so I would like a response.

You cannot "No u" your way through a defense. You need to give reasons as to *why* you did the things you did or said the things you have said.
For example: you said splints "misinterpreted" your words. Then you voted for her. This is giving me the ick from you. That is a big fat No u. You needed to respond to her and give her the chance to respond back BEFORE you start laying votes down all slap happy. With very weak reasoning.
I didn't ask her because of things EXACTLY like this. No matter what I say, I get more suspicion if I open my mouth. Everything I have said this game has gotten me in more and more trouble. And it's become, to me, "Make a read without asking questions or feel like complete shit". And I'm not trying to shame anyone or make anyone feel bad but genuinely I don't want to make this game feel like a chore. So I'm trying my best to help the town but if I can't do that without feeling completely worthless then darn, I guess I will do my best by watching

Can't wait for someone to tell me this is a wolf trying to use AtE!!

If you are a civilian, don't worry about defending yourself. Your goal isn't to survive. Your goal is to provide your faction with the most information possible to help them (and you) win. Back in the day, survival was key, but it isn't now.

Do your thing, man. If in the end of it all you get lynched, at least you left a long legacy that people can follow. The worst thing is getting lynched and leaving nothing behind.

So, in the words of Rush, "Get out there and rock, and roll the bones- get busy."

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