The Syndicate

juliets wrote:You are so wrong Epi!

That's a lovely piece for your signature.

Right under Castle Grayskull, too!

Russtifinko wrote:Banners are up! You saw 'em here first. I'm also PMing juliets, and adding mine to my signature.

Nobody cares about those. Move along please.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:Epi, who'd you target? We lost consecutive BTSC late in the game.

I had to piece it back together. I targeted:

1. Elohcin
2. Boogs
3. Mongoose
4. reywaS
5. Snow Dog
6. n/a
7. MetalMarsh89
8. fingersplints
9. Bullzeye
10. Snow Dog
11. fingersplints
12. no one

So 7 out of 10 of my targets had BTSC.

Also, hey fingersplints:

Epignosis wrote:Okay, you're right. Lots of the same old twaddle.

Here's a novel bit then.

fingersplints filled an "unfilled role" in this game.

The Townie Goblins have 5 roles and the Mostly-Dead Goblins have 4.

I think fingersplints joined up as the fifth Townie Goblin.

juliets wrote:OH MY GOD I cant believe I won! This is the first time I've had the SK role that I can remember. My plan was to kill in no order that made any sense - basically random killing. It did matter when we got down to the end though especially the last kill. Epig, I tried to second guess you and guessed that you were likely to have a night save so I killed Snowy last. Snowy, are you really upset that I killed you? I hope not and I sure hope you play mafia again. I wasn't unkillable by the way - i was protected some nights and I was protected some lynches but not all of them. I decided to use my money on votes but only when I thought i needed to which wasn't until toward the end.

Russti i told you before we knew how this would turn out that I loved your game and it didn't matter who won I had a lot of fun with my role. Epig, Snowy, Kyle I just didnt know how that would turn out at the end, you were great foes. Ok family time now, I cant wait to see Russti's game breakdown.

Thank you everyone for the congrats!

You done GOOD.

S~V~S wrote:I just have to say that all of you guys were so awesome; sometimes being the Mod means you have to say things to people that they don't like, like, "Chill out, throttle back, STFU!!!!!" and you guys barely gave me and Russti any grief whatsoever when it came to that. We said "Stop" and you did. I have hosted/played games where that was not the case, so please know that I mean it

There was a high drama level early in the game, but IMO that was all about passion. You guys rocked

Can you get Russti to modkill juliets and resurrect me? Thanks.

Snow Dog wrote:This is why Mafia sucks I quit. So long folks.

What?

If I were in Wales, I'd buy you a drink. We did our best and in the end it wasn't enough. I really, really thought I could win this one too, but it didn't happen. I would have had to do something counter-intuitive (I assume), which would have meant you STILL wouldn't have won.

You drove me nuts in this game, I want you to know.

Snow Dog wrote:was it even possible for Smaug to die.

As a side note if she had killed epi i woud have won too.

She couldn't have killed me.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: A pity I didn't spend my money more wisely. And I had a lot of it.

I had about 2400 when I died. If I'd been careful I could've been unlynchable at the end. How much did everyone else have? If I sent someone cash it basically meant I liked things they were saying or was trying to hint to them. I sent Snow money on night one to apologise for the random vote during the day, and TH (maybe Dom too?) got some for defending Boogs.

After surviving my first kill, I kept buying leather vests. I was, after my the first attempt on my life, un-NKable. I wasn't expecting MM to fuck up the numbers like he did. Had I never bought another vest, I could have amped up my voting, which might have changed things around.

After juliets tried to kill me, I figured that I didn't need votes, but that someone would NK me again soon. That never happened, and it cost me.

My first civilian win eluded me because of poor money management.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote: So I needed to forgo the armor and augment my vote.

The day I died, I could have afforded six votes (though I only bought three). I was tempted to blow the whole thing on lynching you but figured you deserved at least a chance to win even if I was annoyed with you chasing me so much. What were you saying earlier about knowing I was the king but just using me to draw out Smaug? This is what I meant by knowing I was being used, and I wanted to get NKed just to ruin your attempt

Also seriously how the hell did I survive when Llama died? I genuinely did delete the PM to buy votes so I have no idea what saved me.

I did feel bad by the way (even though I pretended not to). But as soon as juliets, after having followed me ALL game said "Well, Epi's been known to be wrong," and then voted MM and survived that? That was a big red flag.

A pity I didn't spend my money more wisely. And I had a lot of it.

So I needed to forgo the armor and augment my vote.

Russtifinko wrote:Hoping to post in about an hour. We'll see, though. I'm moving tomorrow, so my house is frantic today.

Tell the Sackville-Bagginses to fuck off.

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Snow Dog wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Soccer is one of the most boring things I've ever witnessed. I tried watching some today at the little Mexican restaurant up the road. It was in Spanish but I think I got the gist. "Cero, cero!"

Basketball is the most boring sport I know of

Don't care for that either. I was even on a team when I was a teenager. After a while, your ass starts to hurt.

Soccer is one of the most boring things I've ever witnessed. I tried watching some today at the little Mexican restaurant up the road. It was in Spanish but I think I got the gist. "Cero, cero!"

Metalmarsh89 wrote:

Epignosis wrote: I'm not sure if Bullzeye got his wish or not. I hope he's laughing at me regardless. Laughter is the best medicine.

I most definitely am.

Except I figured he was the Wood Elf King and decided to use him to draw out Smaug.

Hi Juliets.

Spacedaisy wrote:yep, there is a shock, lol. Good luck civs!

For the record, I thought you were all right.

Glad I didn't vote for Mr. Fireworks.

And there's a cautionary tale on why you shouldn't just vote to save yourself. You could be voting for a landmine! Those are dangerous.

I'm not sure if Bullzeye got his wish or not. I hope he's laughing at me regardless. Laughter is the best medicine. I guess. I'm no doctor.

birdwithteeth11 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Made the mistake of buying my daughter the Frozen soundtrack. The children listen to music as they go to bed.

I'm on my second to last night of sanity.

How do I counter this? With a Bioshock Infinite soundtrack.

Nice.

But if what I've heard from other parents is true, you just dug your own grave with the Frozen soundtrack.

It wouldn't be bad, but we have an autistic son who gets up almost every time it goes off and turns it back on.

He has expressed an enjoyment of jazz and old ass country music though. I approve of both.

And bear in mind that before his sister could say much, he was going to sleep on Gentle Giant (The Power and the Glory), Yes (The Yes Album & Tormato), and Genesis (Selling England by the Pound). Simon is a cool old man in the body of a 6 year old.

Snow Dog wrote:Of the people I suspect are bad I am least sure of Spacedaisy and Juliets. I will give them the botd for now.

So that leaves metalmarsh.

For the record, I could vote for MM also. He self-voted on the day TH was lynched, but on other days, I believe he was directly involved in all the other lynches.

Going to look.

Bullzeye wrote:You've spent a hell of a lot of time and effort coming after someone you didn't even originally have a reason to come after. When people are pushing cases against me I prefer to defend than attack because I know that, in some cases, if I claim I'm suspicious of someone who is on the fence about me they will vote me to defend themselves. It happens. I don't want to cause you and kind of discomfort, embarrassment, humiliation, upset, or pressure. I just want the satisfaction of proving someone wrong when they're so passionate about how right they are. It's one of my favourite things in mafia.

If proving people wrong is one of your favorite things in Mafia, then why did you beg the Goblins or Smaug to night kill you in order to ruin any plans someone might have had?

Bullzeye wrote:Goblins or Smaug, whichever of you is not framing me right now, we all know what is going to happen tomorrow. I don't want to give whoever is setting me up the satisfaction of watching me make a desperate but futile attempt to defend myself. So I have a proposition. I'd like one of you to NK me tonight! This isn't a trick, I don't have any daggers or anything. I just want to throw a spanner in the works for whoever is doing all this. They'd never expect me to just go and die, it'd probably ruin all their plans! I think it'd be really funny.

I just don't get it.

Mongoose was bad when she claimed X, but you're not when you claim X.
People who vote on bandwagons without adding anything new are suspicious, but you are not when you do it.
Proving people wrong is one of your favorite things in Mafia, but you begged to be killed (thereby at least postponing that satisfaction).

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It's been a full two Days and from what I can tell, you have not helped in the search for Goblins. You've only posted defensively. You've clearly been around. You claimed that I and llama were bad and should be lynched next (ironically without giving any reasons). You said you felt good about k4j for a reason that isn't true.

So stop wasting time. You decided I was bad days ago and nothing will change that. Lynch me and be done with so I can laugh at you.

You already did that, chuckles.

That wasn't me really laughing at you. That was me clicking on a smiley a few times to illustrate how silly I find the notion of me being Smaug. I will actually laugh when, if I'm lynched, my role is revealed and you try to scrape together some excuse for why you were wrong.

Why would I try to scrape together some excuse? I'm wrong a lot. If I were right all of the time, I'd play the lottery, not Mafia.

I've offered plenty of time for you to talk about other players, discuss suspicions, and help demonstrate that you are on the side of the civilians. Instead, all you've used that time to do is be defensive, say things that aren't true, and taunt me into voting you.

If you think mislynching you is going to make me feel uncomfortable, embarrassed, humiliated, upset, or under any kind of pressure, you are mistaken.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:It's been a full two Days and from what I can tell, you have not helped in the search for Goblins. You've only posted defensively. You've clearly been around. You claimed that I and llama were bad and should be lynched next (ironically without giving any reasons). You said you felt good about k4j for a reason that isn't true.

So stop wasting time. You decided I was bad days ago and nothing will change that. Lynch me and be done with so I can laugh at you.

You already did that, chuckles.

It's been a full two Days and from what I can tell, you have not helped in the search for Goblins. You've only posted defensively. You've clearly been around. You claimed that I and llama were bad and should be lynched next (ironically without giving any reasons). You said you felt good about k4j for a reason that isn't true.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If you were a civvy, why would someone else manipulate the lynch so that llama would die and you would survive?

kneel4justice wrote:That's definitely not the result I expected.

And where from this reaction do you get the idea k4j knew what was going on?

Because me and him were the only ones to vote for Llama. I didn't do anything so he might have. Or there was a switch or something. I don't know. I'm pretty sure I'm being set up by the baddies but I have no idea why they'd go to so much effort. Plus it might have just been to kill Llama. Though again I don't know why they wouldn't just NK him.

My my my.

Bullzeye wrote:

Mongoose wrote:How about they used the device to save me even though I'm not on their team because I'm too good at being suspicious? They'd be fools to let me die.

A baddie wouldn't throw away a save for someone not on their team. Not when it could come back to bite them later. I'm not saying I agree with Boogs' crazy theory up there, but still... I think that scenario is very unlikely. If the baddies saved you it's because you're on their team.

Bullzeye wrote:I think it kinda goes without saying at this point but I'm gonna vote Mongoose. I don't buy her claims of not knowing how she survived the lynch, the comment of 'if someone saved me' just doesn't make sense because she'd know she either saved herself or someone else must have. Plus suggesting the baddies may have saved her to keep a suspicious person around, anyone would know that baddies don't do that for non-teammates.

Bullzeye wrote:If they already had the vote power and knew Llama was Gandalf, why not? I remember what I said to Mongoose but at this point I know I'm telling the truth. There is literally no reason to claim I don't know how I survived unless I really don't. Even if it was a lie the easiest way for me to go would be to say I bought extra votes to save myself.

Who is "they" and why would "they" know Llama was Gandalf?

I think the double standard here smells. When Mongoose raised the possibility that she was being set up, you dismissed it and condemned her for it. When you raise it now, you're telling the truth (which by definition can't be true because you don't know you're being set up because you don't know how you survived).

Then there's this:

Bullzeye wrote: Personally I'll be more suspicious of those who do simply jump on without adding anything to the case.

Bullzeye wrote:AP it is then, I can't see any reason for why not.

Adding to a bandwagon without adding anything to the case.

Bullzeye wrote:

Metalmarsh89 wrote:If you were a civvy, why would someone else manipulate the lynch so that llama would die and you would survive?

kneel4justice wrote:That's definitely not the result I expected.

And where from this reaction do you get the idea k4j knew what was going on?

Because me and him were the only ones to vote for Llama. I didn't do anything so he might have. Or there was a switch or something. I don't know. I'm pretty sure I'm being set up by the baddies but I have no idea why they'd go to so much effort. Plus it might have just been to kill Llama. Though again I don't know why they wouldn't just NK him.

My my my.

Bullzeye wrote:

Mongoose wrote:How about they used the device to save me even though I'm not on their team because I'm too good at being suspicious? They'd be fools to let me die.

A baddie wouldn't throw away a save for someone not on their team. Not when it could come back to bite them later. I'm not saying I agree with Boogs' crazy theory up there, but still... I think that scenario is very unlikely. If the baddies saved you it's because you're on their team.

Bullzeye wrote:I think it kinda goes without saying at this point but I'm gonna vote Mongoose. I don't buy her claims of not knowing how she survived the lynch, the comment of 'if someone saved me' just doesn't make sense because she'd know she either saved herself or someone else must have. Plus suggesting the baddies may have saved her to keep a suspicious person around, anyone would know that baddies don't do that for non-teammates.

Look:

A Person (Kylemii)
7
thellama73 (16), Dom (18), Hedgeowl (19), Bullzeye (20), fingersplints (21), Turnip Head (22), Metalmarsh89 (23) 29%

Boogs
7
Spacedaisy (3), Captain Bunny Killer (8), Leamiteo (10), A Person (12), insertnamehere (14), Lizzy (15), Snow Dog (24) 29%

++++


On the day Boogs was lynched, TH2 tied it up. If Kylemii / A Person were a teammate of TH2, that would be an unnecessary risk. Also note that on the day TH2 got lynched, Kylemii voted himself (A Person). He could have saved his vote to save a teammate (or distance hard), but he didn't do either.

Metalmarsh89 wrote:
Do you know why that NK attempt was not listed at the bottom of the night post as "Epi survived a night kill..." while juliets' NK attempt from the goblins was?

I like your question.

No, but it should have been.

Spacedaisy wrote:Why the face?

Why is Kylemii still on your list?

Spacedaisy wrote:Ok, that makes a difference. Then I would leave him on my list obviously, lol

Spacedaisy wrote:

Kylemii wrote:

Spacedaisy wrote:Lol, nice. Well, I don't believe in voting for some one who is insanified because I don't like voting for someone who can't defend unless there Isabel iron clad case against them. So my vote will likely go to Metalmarsh or Kyle today.

wait why me?

Just process of elimination. You are not one of those I feel like I trust, so you are on my list of possible baddies. Apparently Epi trusts you though...

I don't trust him. A view of the voting record is rather convincing.

Spacedaisy wrote:Lol, nice. Well, I don't believe in voting for some one who is insanified because I don't like voting for someone who can't defend unless there Isabel iron clad case against them. So my vote will likely go to Metalmarsh or Kyle today.

Unless Kyle is Smaug, I don't think Kyle is bad.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I do what works?

See my previous post re: throwing out random crap to see what works. If you don't have anything to base a vote on or for me to defend against then I don't see why I should care what you think about my alignment. It would be pointless to continue this conversation.

Look, someone has to be Smaug. You're someone.

But you don't have any reason for why me over anyone else. For all I know you've literally randomized to find the person who you'd next push for a bandwagon on. You have explained nothing and given no reason for why anybody should vote for me so I don't know what you expect. I could say the exact same about you.

You could, but I'm not sure how you'd work this little tidbit into your narrative.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I do what works?

See my previous post re: throwing out random crap to see what works. If you don't have anything to base a vote on or for me to defend against then I don't see why I should care what you think about my alignment. It would be pointless to continue this conversation.

Look, someone has to be Smaug. You're someone.

I do what works?

Bullzeye wrote:Fixed previous post.

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Bullz why K4J?

Really? You're really gonna be like that? Point me to this case that shows how I'm Smaug again? Oh yeah, there never was one. Epig just said it and somehow that means everyone has to believe it's true and follow along before any explanation comes. He's had over 24 hours of non-insanified time to explain his opinion and he still never has. So I really don't see how anyone can buy into it.

Look at the current list of living people. Show me how it's possible to prove anyone is the serial killer.

Exactly. So why are you so convinced I am when there's literally no reason to believe it and you know that?

In other words, you're saying that since no one can prove someone is Smaug, no one can accuse anyone of being Smaug.

Cool trick.

Bullzeye wrote:

Snow Dog wrote:RIPIYWG K4J

Juliets do you know how you survived the lynch?

Bullz why K4J?

Really? You're really gonna be like that? Point me to this case that shows how I'm Smaug again? Oh yeah, there never was one. Epig just said it and somehow that means everyone has to believe it's true and follow along before any explanation comes. He's had over 24 hours of non-insanified time to explain his opinion and he still never has. So I really don't see how anyone can buy into it.

Look at the current list of living people. Show me how it's possible to prove anyone is the serial killer.

Bullzeye wrote:He's probably just throwing out random crap to see what works.

Ask MovingPictures07, Elohcin, and Turnip Head if that's how I roll.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Okay seriously what the hell. I snuck in last night while I couldn't sleep to check the result and I have no idea what even just happened. I actually kinda thought CBK was Gandalf if not a baddie. I know nobody is probably going to care what I say in my defense now, I'm sure you all have your own assumptions you'll stick to, but I genuinely did not expect to survive that. I was planning to come in and make a sarcastic post congratulating you all on your genius lynch of the wrong person only to find I didn't even die. I do think I know what's going on though and I have a favour to ask:

No idea what even just happened though you do think you know what's going on. You going into politics now Bullz?

I don't know exactly why I survived or why Llama died. I bought a fake ballot thing (the +3 to your vote once) but then deleted the PM before Russti could read it because I didn't think it would be make a difference.

I don't believe you. You were calling for llama's lynch (and mine). So why delete the PM when it could save your life?

I mean, math: You had 5 votes. thellama73 had 2, then + 3 ties it up. And you didn't think it would make a difference?

Lies.

Bullzeye wrote:

You thought "CBK was Gandalf, if not a baddie?" How do you think CBK was a very specific civilian role (with secrets) OR an evildoer? That's bizarrely specific, and nothing that I saw in any of your posts indicated that you thought CBK was Gandalf.

I thought she might be Gandalf because of the skipped night a while back. It came right after the first big bandwagon attempt on Boogs failed. I was thinking about what role might have had the power to do that and the simplest conclusion was Gandalf. I thought that maybe CBK had skipped the night to get another shot at lynching Boogs since she was so passionate about seeing him dead.

CBK was Gandalf because of that? Huh?

Boogs
5
birdwithteeth11 (6), Captain Bunny Killer (10), Spacedaisy (11), Leamiteo (12), A Person (17) 29%

Boogs
7
Spacedaisy (3), Captain Bunny Killer (8), Leamiteo (10), A Person (12), insertnamehere (14), Lizzy (15), Snow Dog (24) 29%


By the same thinking, why couldn't Gandalf be Leamiteo or A Person?

They weren't though. The real Gandalf was Logan, who defended Boogs.

At one time I thought you were the Wood Elf King, but that can't be true now.

Bullzeye wrote:

Guilty people tend to use adverbs more than innocent people. It isn't often that I provide insight into what guides my thinking in Mafia, but this is one thing. Adverbs are the nasty weeds of language. In most cases, they don't add anything. Bullzeye committed to using at least nine of them- nine of the weakest adverbs imaginable. That's nine counts of equivocation.

I've only just finished uni. I'm still used to padding out work to make it look like I've said more than I really did in order to meet word counts. This slips into all other written things including mafia posts I guess.

I misremembered about K4J but I thought he had at least once pointed out how bad Llama's argument was. That was what I was referring to.

I've read your other posts (including your helpful off-topic posts about the World Cup Thanks! ). Your usage of adverbs is remarkably different (and less frequent). You use "even" a lot. That's about the only major similarity.

Bullzeye wrote:

You know, what I found especially ironic is that you clamored and pleaded for me to present evidence (even though I could not effectively communicate with more than four words), but all you've got about me and llama is that you'd "strongly advise" people to lynch one of us next (any order) and that you'd "bet actual money" that at least one of us was "bad as hell." No reason. No case. Just bitterness. And since thellama73 was lynched, I suppose your advice to everyone at this point is to lynch me next, since I'm the only one left of the pair.

Let's face it, it doesn't matter who I want lynched now. Maybe I'll vote you though anyway. You could still quote, and I asked you to quote things I'd said or done that made you think I was Smaug and you didn't. Llama's case against me was one of the worst put together cases I've ever seen. He first said I needed to die because I hadn't really been discussed, which is generally just unfair but also makes no sense. Then he picks up on two votes I made and acts as if they guarantee me to be bad even though he did the same, and claims I tried to save TH which is demonstrably untrue. Honestly I felt like he was a baddie scrambling to make a case for an easy setup. There was bitterness in there as well. I was pretty much only getting lynched because of you two and I don't feel like either of you have anything resembling a decent case against me.

You'll vote me anyway? Even though you've brought no case against me? Which is the respect apparently due you?

As for why you are Smaug: That's a serial killer role. One with no team. One with no voting patterns. So how is one supposed to prove someone is a serial killer?

You find out.

Bullzeye wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Goblins or Smaug, whichever of you is not framing me right now, we all know what is going to happen tomorrow. I don't want to give whoever is setting me up the satisfaction of watching me make a desperate but futile attempt to defend myself. So I have a proposition. I'd like one of you to NK me tonight! This isn't a trick, I don't have any daggers or anything. I just want to throw a spanner in the works for whoever is doing all this. They'd never expect me to just go and die, it'd probably ruin all their plans! I think it'd be really funny.

So you're a civilian, but you'd rather be Night killed than lynched because... it would ruin someone's plans? What plans? If someone bad (presumably me, since llama turned up clean as Ilúvatar's fingers) is setting you up, wouldn't you rather be lynched so that person could be proven wrong?

It's more the fact I don't feel like anything I say from this point on will prevent me from being lynched next so I don't see the point wasting time on it. I'll elaborate on my theory when the game is over but basically I think I'm being used as a pawn in someone else's plans and I don't want to be so I'm asking anyone with a kill to point it at me. Not that they will, but I'm not likely to survive the next lynch anyway so it doesn't really matter what I say does it?

If you're bad, I don't want anything you have to say to matter. I hope you get lynched next.

You think you're being used as a pawn in someone else's plans, but you fail to tell us who those people are. Apparently it's either me or Gandalf.

Bullzeye wrote:

Bad News Bullz.
I hope you went broke breaking the back of the Llama.

Didn't cost me a penny. Either K4J has extra votes or someone switched the lynch. Either way I had nothing to do with it.

Hey Bullz- penny for your thoughts:

Bullzeye wrote:

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I'm not even going to dignify that with a proper response. It's silly. There's no reason to believe it and absolutely nothing to back it up. I actually thought I'd accidentally made my role kinda clear already to some people...

What role? And who are these people? Five of them voted for you.

Bullzeye wrote:Okay seriously what the hell. I snuck in last night while I couldn't sleep to check the result and I have no idea what even just happened. I actually kinda thought CBK was Gandalf if not a baddie. I know nobody is probably going to care what I say in my defense now, I'm sure you all have your own assumptions you'll stick to, but I genuinely did not expect to survive that. I was planning to come in and make a sarcastic post congratulating you all on your genius lynch of the wrong person only to find I didn't even die. I do think I know what's going on though and I have a favour to ask:

No idea what even just happened though you do think you know what's going on. You going into politics now Bullz?

You thought "CBK was Gandalf, if not a baddie?" How do you think CBK was a very specific civilian role (with secrets) OR an evildoer? That's bizarrely specific, and nothing that I saw in any of your posts indicated that you thought CBK was Gandalf.

So why didn't you?

Guilty people tend to use adverbs more than innocent people. It isn't often that I provide insight into what guides my thinking in Mafia, but this is one thing. Adverbs are the nasty weeds of language. In most cases, they don't add anything. Bullzeye committed to using at least nine of them- nine of the weakest adverbs imaginable. That's nine counts of equivocation.

Bullzeye wrote:

fingersplints wrote:bullz what do you think about kitty/k4j?

I feel quite good about him actually. He's the only person in this game to point out the huge number of flaws in the 'cases' made against me. I hadn't really thought much at all of him until recently but now that he's the only person to have seen through the ridiculousness of this lynch I kinda trust him a little.

According to you, k4j was the only person "to point out the huge number of flaws" in the cases made against you.

I reread k4j's Day 10 posts. Twice. You know what he never talks about? The flaws in the case against you. His entire Day 10 activity was based on llama being disingenuous. k4j never says he thinks you are good or that he was seeing "through the ridiculousness of this lynch." That didn't happen. k4j never made one declarative statement rendering a judgment of you or the case against you during Day 10. You are fabricating this.

Bullzeye wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Bullzeye wrote:Prove I'm bad.

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That's not good enough. You can't just say hey this person is bad and the reason you should believe it is because you'll see when we lynch them. You need actual solid reasons to vote for me rather than a random suggestion that appeared out of the blue with no backing.

Bullzeye wrote:Well with 8 minutes left to vote all I can say is lynching me would be a mistake and if you do it anyway I'd strongly advise lynching Epi and Llama next. Any order you like. Also look at others who voted me because the case being put forward is weak as hell and I can't believe people are even considering it.

You know, what I found especially ironic is that you clamored and pleaded for me to present evidence (even though I could not effectively communicate with more than four words), but all you've got about me and llama is that you'd "strongly advise" people to lynch one of us next (any order) and that you'd "bet actual money" that at least one of us was "bad as hell." No reason. No case. Just bitterness. And since thellama73 was lynched, I suppose your advice to everyone at this point is to lynch me next, since I'm the only one left of the pair.

Bullzeye wrote:Goblins or Smaug, whichever of you is not framing me right now, we all know what is going to happen tomorrow. I don't want to give whoever is setting me up the satisfaction of watching me make a desperate but futile attempt to defend myself. So I have a proposition. I'd like one of you to NK me tonight! This isn't a trick, I don't have any daggers or anything. I just want to throw a spanner in the works for whoever is doing all this. They'd never expect me to just go and die, it'd probably ruin all their plans! I think it'd be really funny.

So you're a civilian, but you'd rather be Night killed than lynched because... it would ruin someone's plans? What plans? If someone bad (presumably me, since llama turned up clean as Ilúvatar's fingers) is setting you up, wouldn't you rather be lynched so that person could be proven wrong?


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Bad News Bullz.
I hope you went broke breaking the back of the Llama.

Russtifinko wrote:

thellama73 has been lynched. He was Gandalf.

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Bullzeye wrote:I shouldn't have to provide an alternative, if that's what you're saying. There was literally no reason for anyone to follow you or Llama. Neither of you bothered to give any real reason for why people should vote for me. The forced case from Llama is a joke and you didn't have anything either, which will be proved as soon as Russti is able to write the lynch post.

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