The Syndicate

This was fun stuff. Thanks G-Man. I had a good time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 11:58 pm Let future generations of mafia players know that "I'm playing in a Magic tournament tonight" is an accurate scumtell 100% of the time.

Also wild.

Wild.

You can just eat it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:28 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.
If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?
I like the direction of Michelle's posts. I can see a clear progression of reads when I read her. Though I'll admit she's the only player I have not looked at for association with Tony, so maybe I should. But I don't feel like it.
Wilgy had some interactions with tony that suggested to me that they're not teammates. It's buried buried somewhere in my ISO.
I thought the latter was sig or DDL. Or both.
all three of them

All right then.

I think Long Con is the right lynch today.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:25 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.
If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?
Wilgy is too wolfy to be a wolf, i reached that conclusion. That post with consuming... etc I quoted is atrocious for a wolf who wants to live.
I am just a villager searching for truth.
Hi Michelle.

Meet Dr. Wilgy.
he is always like this?

I ignore Wilgy unless I have either a solid reason to vote for him or no reason to vote for anybody else. That's my approach.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:25 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.
If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?
I like the direction of Michelle's posts. I can see a clear progression of reads when I read her. Though I'll admit she's the only player I have not looked at for association with Tony, so maybe I should. But I don't feel like it.
Wilgy had some interactions with tony that suggested to me that they're not teammates. It's buried buried somewhere in my ISO.

I thought the latter was sig or DDL. Or both.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:23 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.
If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?
Wilgy is too wolfy to be a wolf, i reached that conclusion. That post with consuming... etc I quoted is atrocious for a wolf who wants to live.
I am just a villager searching for truth.

Hi Michelle.

Meet Dr. Wilgy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:00 pm I have reason to eliminate everyone from my POE except for Mac.
I also have ample reason to suspect Mac independent of process of elimination.
It is entirely possible I'm wrong. But nothing I've seen so far has compelled me to move from this position.

If I am understanding this correctly:

What absolves Michelle?

What absolves Wilgy?

Too much I say.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:19 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.
He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.
So you are removing Epi from suspicion because on day 4 he made some posts suspecting you which indicates if he was scum he'd have killed you already?

Do you not see how absurd of a reason that is?

If Epi is scum and they had better kill targets than you why would he not put suspicion on you? Are you suggesting that for Epi to be scum he must avoid suspecting you?

It's all just bad logic imo. He's a massive red flag for me. As I said if you decide to remove me please look there.
Hey Mac.

Why not look at Tony's treatment of me and my treatment of Tony and see if we're teammates?

That might help you a little bit.
You are absolutely spewing that you know I am a townie with this post.

I don't have the time to do what you request sadly. I have to leave in a few mins and won't return.

While you're at it, look up the word "absolutely."

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:41 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm Why does he need you dead so badly? You're not even bothering to humour the notion that he's scum.

And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

If you wish to not even entertain my argument based on such a flimsy premise I dunno why I am bothering.
He doesn’t need me dead. But on Day 4 he pushed very aggressively to get me lynched, so it’s evident that he wanted me dead.
So you are removing Epi from suspicion because on day 4 he made some posts suspecting you which indicates if he was scum he'd have killed you already?

Do you not see how absurd of a reason that is?

If Epi is scum and they had better kill targets than you why would he not put suspicion on you? Are you suggesting that for Epi to be scum he must avoid suspecting you?

It's all just bad logic imo. He's a massive red flag for me. As I said if you decide to remove me please look there.

Hey Mac.

Why not look at Tony's treatment of me and my treatment of Tony and see if we're teammates?

That might help you a little bit.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:04 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 12:10 am I too wondered how I did "most of the work." I don't even know what work I did.

I want to highlight this for another reason. See the ugliness.
I didn't fully understand what "most of the work" means either but it looked to me like a baddie pissed that civilians were discarding other civilians as possible suspects.

I don't think I'll vote for you today.

Bless.

LC's interactions with Tony are the most softball things I've seen.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:43 am The thing is, I agreed with DDL's assessment of Tony last phase. I went to Tony's ISO to disprove DDL's read that Tony was one of the more solvey players, but it ended up with me agreeing.

Why is it Tony now, Sloon? Suddenly it's a Tony-or-Sloonei thing on the table, and I don't know if that's the right thing.

This post in particular stands out.

"I know Sloonei is good and Tony is my teammate, so I will try to appease Sloonei to save my semi-limited hitman."

There is no evidence that I could find of LC really trying to figure Tony out. It all looks like trying to nudge people away from him.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 11:45 pm Very nice! Great to still see you around, Mr Sloon. I was afraid it would go quiet after tonight.

Translation:

"Fucking damn it! What the hell?

Spoiler: show

Creature didn't try to save himself (and he could have). TSP tried to save Creature (and there's a post defending him).

I still don't think Sloonei made it all the way to Day 5 to destroy TSP.

It's LC or Mac for me today.

The three kills we've had were systematic. All three voted Creature. Sloonei is the only one left alive out of that crowd.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:20 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:16 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm
And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

Anybody dying makes anybody else's lynch that much more feasible.

It's math.
Obviously numb nuts but because you're you, being alive without a perceived bigger threat also being alive, particularly from that early, forced you into a gauntlet of suck and I don't think you ever were truly threatened by Sloonei.

Tell me how many times in all the games you've played together has Sloonei managed to catch and lynch you?

Well now Mac I don't have the numbers right in front of me I'm sorry to say but as mafia I don't think I've been caught and lynched more than ten times period.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 8:12 pm
And as I mentioned. You dying makes an Epi lynch that much more feasible. Not just for reasons I said but also for reasons you just pointed out.

Anybody dying makes anybody else's lynch that much more feasible.

It's math.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 7:16 pm You know what I don't think LC is scum. He has felt too aloof. And I feel like he's likely to flip town if I manage to save myself and that will lead to push button lynch. If he was scum in this situation I think he'd take more control and he sure as fuck wouldn't lazily flip on me. It's a wrong headed townie move.

I think Epi is the one playing Jafar here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 6:56 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:35 pm I'm going to vote for Mac. He'll probably vote for me in return, but whatcha gonna do? [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
Why? I felt that you were one of the reasonable ones. Timing makes me think you're getting a head start on self preservation. Nerves?

I am not scum LC. Your vote should not be here.

We know you're not scum LC. You're scum Mac.

Heists can have up to three non-vanilla roles.

Two of potentially three have been revealed.

The mafia have had two failed kills in as many Nights.

The "semi-limited" Doctor died ages ago so this isn't his doing.

Either mafia aren't submitting a name or the third non-vanilla role (a civilian) has been lights out.

Given that both non-vanilla roles are "semi-limited" (whatever that means. If you're limited, you're limited, but I digress), I would assume a third one would also be such.

The fact is I don't see anyone missing kills on purpose. For one, it's a terrible strategy. For two, there aren't any true inactives to frame. For three, there was a three but I forget what it was. Unimportant.

I don't believe there's a "semi-limited role blocker" for a reason Sloonei already expressed.

If there is another "semi-limited doctor" involved, he or she ought to be able to clear two individuals, which narrows the remaining pool down to five (since a civilian can clear himself in his own mind).

The civilians however only have three opportunities to lynch correctly (assuming one mafioso and that future kills are successful).

I'll write more after I've had my supper.

My take is Long Con is bad.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Today was a shit show.

I'm doing my damnedest to get drunk and go to bed.

I'll do shit tomorrow.

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:51 pm All I can say is that if you all do want to rid yourselves of me you should use time effectively to figure out what to do once I flip.

Uncork the champagne?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 16, 2020 2:00 am Why is Epi town?

Points for: ?

Points against: It's day 6 and he's alive. Tony didn't suspect or push him at all.

Go on?

And mafia have been killing as well as I could beat LeBron one on one.

So who gives a shit who is still alive?

I've been cruising. I got Dom lynched. I'm pretty sure I know why I'm alive.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 8:16 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 10:08 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:19 am
timmer wrote: ↑Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:17 amI kind of feel like Wilgy would?
Let's flip Wilgy and see. If Wilgy is scum, I must be either scum or town.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
I've read nothing and I will not be lynching either of you on day 1.
Call two townies correctly off nothing. I'm spam.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:23 am Hey it's tomorrow. I see Dom was lynched. That was quite unfortunate. Sorry about that Dom.

I am enjoying reading a game where people are forced to make assertions and shit against me based on nothing. I've not lived this long in a game I've lurked before. I can't promise I won't continue to.

I will however say that Sloonei and TSP pinged me. Epignosis also has some content that I was surprised to see was his. His tone is unusual.

Sloonei is playing quite within himself. I don't think he is a town voice. TSP 's post count list is pretty busyworkish. TSP where's your obvious town play?

Michelle I like. Sig and LC has this weird moment where they coalesced some equally unwarranted suspicion towards her which could be btsc leakage.
Call out TSP ages ago. I'm completely clueless.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:29 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:28 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 4:24 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 1:33 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jan 06, 2020 12:57 am I don't know how to read any of that.
DDL is good because he said stuff that meant stuff
Sig is bad because he didn’t
Ya reckon?
Sure why not
I dunno. Just seems like bullshit.
Call out more TSP bullshit. I'm clueless.

So I was wrong a bit. Just because I'm not posting a million times this game doesn't mean my analysis and opinion is invalid DDL. If you are town you should listen to the parts of what I am saying that aren't the things you know to be incorrect because the other parts are likely correct.

So with that being said how is Epi not your number one subject? In my view you both should have arrived at each other as the last scum by deduction if you were actually trying.

Oops.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:34 am After a read of Tony's ISO.

Sloonei is self resolving. He dies tonight or is bad.
Epi has major teammate equity with TSP and generally profiles. Probably on par with DDL.

Everyone else he spews town at points because he played the game with a straight bat. He forced cases on townies which means he probably had his teammate as town read most of the game.

That's a major indicator it's Epi because that's how he likes to play the game too and Epi and Sloonei are the only players alive from his original town list in his first reads list.

Except...

...you know...

I don't bus.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:08 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 03, 2020 9:44 pm Okay reads from up to the lynch post

Dizzy and Quin are town as fuck.

Dizzy mostly for the creature thing, Quin for posts too. He's legit genuquin. Protect him.

Sloonei a little less since he was flopping around like Sloonei (while Dizzy and Quin pushed the idea if lynching Creature more strongly), but he still started the final push so I feel like he's town too. Also he does feel a bit more genuine than in the wire but that's hindsight speaking since he fooled me in that game. Sloonei will have to do more to earn my trust from now on. But he gets it for the time being.

Timmer is the member if the Day 1 Mutant Ninja Turtles who benefits the least for this Creature lynch imo. He kind of just went along after the fact. That said he leans a bit civ in post-based reading I guess. Could be wrong here.

Nobody else matters much here since they aren't turtles. Will talk about others later.
Everyone mentioned here except Sloonei is dead. Cool to know all the people DDL thought were uber town (plus someone else he waffled on) became scum kill choices.

Cool to know you noticed that. Mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 15, 2020 5:05 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 pm I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?
Mac is an easy dunk target by nature of his relative absence so I didn't count that in his read, but a team with him takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei. That's what's so prohibitive about Mac teams. Mac Sloonei is red not because I couldn't see it but more because it's the kind of team that deserves a win if they can get it at this point. And I also can't see it it's way too clever. Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work. DDL never risks lynching a mostly inactive teammate on Day 2 so that's that red read. The other ones kill Sloonei and don't interact as they have.

My read on Mac individually is null lean scum. Mac as scum here wants back-to-back Sloonei/Epi lynches (assuming he's not paired with one of them), and currently it seems things might go that way and all of Mac's posts fit inside that narrative. I will make no attempts to read Mac himself, but he's mildly pinged me a few times.

The main reasons for yellows and oranges are day one votes, town presences, and a prohibitive kill strategy. Honestly at this point in the game, I probably should be able to assign more of those, but all of the lynches have been apathetic thus far. I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3.
How am I this guy's teammate? I'm over here taking mild shots at him for days and he's writing Dostoevsky. Anyone who has played scum with me knows if I have a teammate engaging me like this I'd do... something to help the distancing at least.

Anyway nuff protesting.

I had a squiz at Sig. Don't love his ISO. Within a basic lens I'd say he's scum but also I'd rather assume it's someone having a red hot try like Sloo or Luffy.

I think Tony played like someone who had a more than inspirational ally. His tone was cheerful. If he was stuck with Wilgy, Sig or I (with Creature) he would have been more passive or negative in tone.

Teammates.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:27 pm second legacy read:
I need to start killing Sloonei

Good game well played.

This post exists.

Shit I lost my place.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:34 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:37 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:29 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:17 pm I also notice that Mac has all the red squares and only one green one. How would you characterize your read on him, and why are there so many yellows/oranges?
Mac is an easy dunk target by nature of his relative absence so I didn't count that in his read, but a team with him takes a huge risk leaving Sloonei up for so long IF they don't intend to at least try to lynch Sloonei. That's what's so prohibitive about Mac teams. Mac Sloonei is red not because I couldn't see it but more because it's the kind of team that deserves a win if they can get it at this point. And I also can't see it it's way too clever. Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work. DDL never risks lynching a mostly inactive teammate on Day 2 so that's that red read. The other ones kill Sloonei and don't interact as they have.

My read on Mac individually is null lean scum. Mac as scum here wants back-to-back Sloonei/Epi lynches (assuming he's not paired with one of them), and currently it seems things might go that way and all of Mac's posts fit inside that narrative. I will make no attempts to read Mac himself, but he's mildly pinged me a few times.

The main reasons for yellows and oranges are day one votes, town presences, and a prohibitive kill strategy. Honestly at this point in the game, I probably should be able to assign more of those, but all of the lynches have been apathetic thus far. I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3.
Reading in Sloonei's wall something is not good in this post for me, that I didn't notice at first read.

"Michelle and Sig haven't been around to promote the kind of Lynch that a Mac scum team would need, though notably in a Mac/Michelle pairing, Epi has done most of the work"
Pairing players for the sake of pairing, and making a world of a non existent scum team is not what a townie should do. And the worlds are not exactly pointed out, they are ambiguous, and the conclusion is that Epi has done most of the work. Epi is almost inexistent in the game so where is the work?

"I can ascertain almost nothing from voting patterns on day 2 and 3"
Almost nothing is not nothing but the unfinished thought gives the impression he thinks more at the game. Why not say that almost nothing instead keeping it? Maybe because a good analisis points at him? (didn't search, it's just a supposition). Or maybe because he didn't analyze it at all?

I don't see how this post is town motivated.

thanks for autocorrect, it shows me my mistakes. A lot of...
1) the whole point of the exercise was the conceive of every possible pairing. It’s not for the sake of pairing. It’s for the sake of figuring out what to do. Epi is not almost non existent in this game that’s blatantly false but the premise is a Mac Michelle team would need to lynch Sloonei quickly because Mac was next on the chopping block (and probably still should be), and Epi helped with that.
2) go look at day 2 and day 3 voting patterns and tell me if you can ascertain anything

I too wondered how I did "most of the work." I don't even know what work I did.

I want to highlight this for another reason. See the ugliness.

I had to piss three times while reading page 34.

If Sloonei and I are teammates and he does me like that, I will bitch slap him to Kilimanjaro.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:31 am I have it on good authority that Epignosis may be intoxicated.

Me? No.

I should probably read Day 5 since I did not do that.

Two failed kills in a row. Either a doctor has leprechauns up his butt or someone isn't sending in PMs.

I'm here, I'm alive, and I'm ready to roll.

Nope.

Is there anything I can help with? I'm useless mostly, but I find that's my strength these days.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jan 14, 2020 10:52 pm Okay now I'm dead.

Got em.

I'll be more informed later. Maybe. It's exam week. I hate exam week.

Haven't read anything but

[VOTE: TonyStarkPrime] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:47 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:43 am The thing is, I agreed with DDL's assessment of Tony last phase. I went to Tony's ISO to disprove DDL's read that Tony was one of the more solvey players, but it ended up with me agreeing.

Why is it Tony now, Sloon? Suddenly it's a Tony-or-Sloonei thing on the table, and I don't know if that's the right thing.
I’ll explain later. I don’t have energy right now. It has something to do with the way he approached the previous phase, but it is not limited to that.

I’ll link to another Tony scum game as a way of suggesting that “looking solvey” does not clear him of anything.

HORSE

Spoiler: show

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:43 am I’m tired right now. Can’t you all just assume that I’ve done the Sloonei thing where I type a bunch of words and clip a bunch of quotes and say that they’re bad for reasons? It would really save me a lot of time and effort.

[VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Sloonei

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