The Syndicate

I have three votes. One of my voters has a vendetta against me (MacDougall). One of my voters can't possibly care what happens to civilians (Master Radishes). And my third voter can't possibly be paying attention (112).

Lynching me gives the mafia an advantage in a number of ways. Of the votes I have, I have the most problems with 112, who unceremoniously voted me to tie me up like Hyena got tied up with iaafr.

There is no thought here. It's a matter of keeping the numbers right. iaafr was saved Day 6. iaafr, who does nothing but post nonsense and bullshit, will be saved Day 7 if I am allowed to be lynched.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:27 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:25 pm Nothing said in two hours.

Civilians are fucked.
Sorry I had dinner, mom, and a review of Mac.

How did mom taste?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:26 pm Ok Epi, I made a list of the things from day 5/6 that I saw as Mac being towny but it didn't really amount to enough for me to say he is a sure town. He changes his mind a lot so some of the things I remember such as he was on Eva and Elephant early in day 5 were nullified by the fact that he ended up on Hyena. I didn't really see a good reason for that when I went back and looked. He did read Michelle as town and at one point said he would follow her but he didn't do it. He read LLD as scum and I can see why given LLD's rage about nutella.

The thing that causes the biggest confusion for me is he is not supatowning. He did tell nutella we can't expect him to play like he did in champs where it was obvious he was town. And he said he was doing a lot of this from his phone and not his computer so that may be another reason.

So maybe I'm wrong and he's not town. I'm sure both Long Con and Master Radish will point to this post as fence sitting or something but I'm seeing pluses and minuses on Mac. I didn't read his day 1 because it was so long ago but maybe I'll take a look. I haven't seen scum Mac in a long time so maybe I'll look at a scum game too.

Thanks juliets. Again, I appreciate the input.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 10:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:36 pm Tomorrow I begin rehearsals for a series of concerts lined up next month. I will almost surely not be around during the final stretch leading up to lock.

If you lynch me, know what you are doing. Understand why. Realize this thread will likely come to a screeching halt after I'm gone. If you are a civilian and you voted for me, marinate on the fact that you voted me out ahead of those you could have voted for. Reevaluate your perspective. Get others to do likewise. Lynch MacDougall (although he'd have to be replaced anyway). Consider what I've said and what I've tried to accomplish. Don't ignore it (but I know you will anyway).

Be better.
You play sousaphone, right?

Can't play anything I need to breathe while doing. Nope.

Nothing said in two hours.

Civilians are fucked.

Tomorrow I begin rehearsals for a series of concerts lined up next month. I will almost surely not be around during the final stretch leading up to lock.

If you lynch me, know what you are doing. Understand why. Realize this thread will likely come to a screeching halt after I'm gone. If you are a civilian and you voted for me, marinate on the fact that you voted me out ahead of those you could have voted for. Reevaluate your perspective. Get others to do likewise. Lynch MacDougall (although he'd have to be replaced anyway). Consider what I've said and what I've tried to accomplish. Don't ignore it (but I know you will anyway).

Be better.

Apologies if I already asked and you answered. A link would suffice.

LC, can you talk about MacDougall and iaafr? What are you seeing on that front?

sprityo is alive on a Day 7. Got-almighty that has to be some kind of record.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:09 pm Epi you keep asking people to analyse others in the context of the dead mafia but you haven't done so for your number one suspect. Why haven't you? You didn't even do me properly in your first big post days ago. It's like you're avoiding analysing me?
I have not had time. iaafr has so many fucking posts.

Oh wait. You thought you were my biggest suspect?

No, I actually...you know...vote my biggest suspect each Day.

But you ...

Relax mate. You get to retire in 23 hours.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:53 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:39 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine
Is this because of his iaafr vote or something else?

Shhh. 112 didn't vote in the poll.

Thanks juliets.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 7:09 pm Epi you keep asking people to analyse others in the context of the dead mafia but you haven't done so for your number one suspect. Why haven't you? You didn't even do me properly in your first big post days ago. It's like you're avoiding analysing me?

I have not had time. iaafr has so many fucking posts.

Oh wait. You thought you were my biggest suspect?

No, I actually...you know...vote my biggest suspect each Day.

I'm also very troubled that Pawn voted Hyena and has had nothing to say today. There is no silencer.

juliets, forgive me if you've said this, but it's Friday and I'm tired.

How do you figure MacDougall is a civilian?

I currently have zero incentive to listen to anything Master Radishes has to say moving forward, and neither do the other civilians.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:34 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:41 pm So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.
The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.
This is not a valid offense. Response not accepted.
U just mad bro

Extremely.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 6:02 pm I’m having a hard time squaring “no agenda” with his mutual confirmation pact with Eva.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:53 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:50 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:41 pm So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.
The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.
Unpack the thought about him being super townie.
There's no agenda to his posts. He just says whatever comes to mind. His reads bounce like a yo-yo. His thought process is wild and I disagree with a lot of what he concludes, but it comes across as organic.

Also a pseudo-meta read: in MU spec chat he acted exactly like this.

We have three dead mafia members. Can you look at him in the context of those three dead mafia members? It's Day 7 for shit's sake.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:49 pm If Epi is lynched and flips green, I'll definitely reconsider the bunny.

Great. Skip the first part and Bob's your uncle.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:41 pm So....anyone who doesn’t think Iaafr is a wolf based on yesterday, change my mind.

“He’s probably not wolves with Juliets” aside.
The wagon on him was super stale until I tried to shake it up and get a counter going. That usually indicates a town.

Tied/close wagons without frantic EoD antics usually indicate town/town. (There was a bit of that, but it was fairly manufactured by me and juliets.)

Iaafr didn't self-pres when he could have to secure his survival.

Just he's super townie this game.

This is not a valid offense. Response not accepted.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:12 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:33 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:48 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:26 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:13 pm Long Con doing what I was going to do. Juliets has a trail of flip-floppy wishy-washy posts a mile long. Big picture her track record is not the worst, but on a micro level her tone and content sounds all wrong.
This is not a good game for me decision-wise but I do tend to be wishy washy as town, less so as wolf. I'm not sure what you mean by my "tone" is "wrong". I'd like you to explain it.

I can understand if you want to policy lynch me because I have not been good for the game state but do so knowing I am town.
Don't twist the narrative - it wouldn't be a policy lynch. It would be a she-sounds-like-mafia lynch.

Your tone is one of hemming and hawing but not in a trying-to-figure-it-out way, more a trying-to-look-like-I'm-thinking way.

And yes, I'm abusing my hyphen at the moment.
You just don't know me or my game. I'm hemming and hawing because I have no idea who is bad. I don't think it's you, I don't think it's Jack but beyond that I'm just not sure. You cannot read my tone so don't pretend like you can. Just vote for me already. And it will be a policy lynch because I am not playing well and am not good for the game state. Do you deny that? If I'm town do you deny I'm not playing well and am not good for the game state? So either way, just vote for me already.
'You don't know my game' is not a valid defence.

'You cannot read my tone' is not a valid defence.

'It will be a policy lynch' is not a valid defence.

'Just vote for me already' is not a valid defence.

Response not accepted.

juliets' play Day 1.

That's a valid defense. Go.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:49 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:43 pm Reading back over iaafr, I had forgotten somehow about that Day 1 EOD where he landed on no-lynch. I asked him about yesterday or the day before and I remember someone told me "good luck" at getting him to answer. He never did. Now he's not taking questions as he said he won't respond to tags. I'll mention him anyway in case that was just a passing notion @iaafr I will have trouble not voting you today unless you answer this question. Why did you vote no-lynch day 1?
'I will have trouble not voting you' --> like that

Also, we've covered the no-lynch thing. It's because he's the doublevoter.

You're still not married to that idea, are you?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 9:38 am Epignosis, I will ask you the same questions as I asked Mac. What happened between you two in the dream world? What were your interactions like? Did you suspect each other then? Tell me everything you can about what was going on there.

I hardly even recalled that MacDougall was with us Day 2. I'd have to look back to tell you what our interactions were like. I can do that if I get a chance today.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 8:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:22 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Wed Nov 13, 2019 5:46 pm People who are ignoring the questions I've asked them leave me no choice but to lean scum on them.
This post.

juliets knows people have lives. This is an excuse.

Furthermore, I ask her to comment specifically on MacDougall, and this is the best I get:

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 9:36 pm I really don't know what to make of this Epi vs. Mac thing. Mac makes a comment somewhere in one of those post walls that Epi explained things nicely to Elephant while only hurling insults at others. I feel like whatever that thing was that happened in the dream levels is affecting people's reads of each other so I'm not fully trusting of either of their reads. I really want to know what Jack and Master Radishes are seeing since they are from that world.
No stance and talking about dream levels that don't mean anything at this stage.
People are just ignoring my questions about them. Then they can come back later and say "juliets asks questions but never follows through". Hyena was one person ignoring me and I had asked him a question that was important to my read on him.

I wasn't answering your question on Mac. I was giving my feeling about the situation.

Anyway, I'm not scum no matter what people think. I just haven't played well.

Fair enough. I still think your Day 1 gives you a lot of credibility.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:40 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 4:42 am Long day at work tomorrow.

If I get lynched over iaafr, so help me God.
Dude you have loads of shit against you. Just acting like you don't and getting stroppy is doing nothing to change my mind lol.

How about focusing on the shit for me, hmm?

Long day at work tomorrow.

If I get lynched over iaafr, so help me God.

Hey Radishes, what's your opinion on iaafr?

Aw hell, nevermind, you were a Hyena voter.

LC, yes, juliets doesn't seem right.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:23 am Final point: why do people keep clinging to suggested role claims? Michelle could easily not have been the cop, and was just certain about Elephant. Just like Eva was not a mason and iaafr was not the doublevoter.

But I'm not sure resolving Pawn is best at this stage, although I agree he's a scum candidate. He's just sort of floating through the game at this point, though.

Epi or juliets first. I'll finish ISOing them properly later.

If you lynch me, just remember I told you so.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 2:11 am Epi could definitely be mafia. I said as much yesterday.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 8:10 pm The worst thing civilians can do is ignore the dead mafia. That's exactly what happened yesterday. Stop ignoring the dead mafia. Find their teammates.
This is a post a mafia makes more than a townie makes. The tone of it, the message...this is a scum trying to look solvey.

And to answer his post contained within,

-Connection to Drago: Epi was a 112 voter. It came really early, but it was still a strange vote, considering his (later) justification was 'Eh. Would lynch. (Great start, right?)'. He was around at that EoD and barely engaged in the Drago/112 wagons; he himself was a counter-wagon and he didn't even vote Drago to self-pres.

-Connection to Evenstar: At the start of D2 Epi posted his wall of Drago-connections for each player. His one for Evenstar was bleh. He quoted a bunch of NAI posts, said they looked good, and concluded with 'I don't think I need to see more' (can't find link, sorry). It was lacking, like he didn't expect us to read his posts. I called him out on it immediately, as I had clocked Eva as scum at that point. Later, in D5, as I again made a push on Eva, he again insisted he would not vote for her for a series of circumstantial reasons. He didn't put his foot down or anything, just commented on why it was a bad vote and moved on.

-Connection to Elephant: TBD, I don't have time this morning to trawl through his ISO. But someone said he defended him? He certainly didn't vote for him despite there being two very clear wagon choices at EoD.

Epignosis is likely scum. I'm not as confident as I was with Eva, but of the remaining players he is low on my list.

I'll save you the trouble.

I didn't want Elephant lynched.

Now, if you please, answer my four questions. If you believe I'm bad, you have to believe these things are true...

sprityo should answer those questions.

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:38 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:34 am
sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:31 am We don’t have to worry about LLD since she’s in a pity party or whatever right now. She should be next after we resolve rabbit/pawn/epi. If she actually doesn’t want to play. Get a replacement. As straightforward as it sounds.

I just got the feeling yesterday she doesn’t want to try
Fuck that.

You don't get a pass because you are in a pity party.

However, I already showed evidence of a civilian LLD. Go see it for yourself.
I do agree with the replacment Part if someone isn't playing and not here does this forum have an auto replacement system i know others use post minimums don't know if you all have it but LLD if you don't wanna play it would be most benifical if you subbed out that way we have a person to work with.

And what is your opinion on iaafr?

Oh my sweet Jesus.

All I want is for civilians to compare people to dead mafia. Can you people do that?

Say

"I suspect XXX because of YYYYYYYYYYY is how he or she treated mafia or how he or she was treated by mafia."

I have no hair left to pull out.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:31 am We don’t have to worry about LLD since she’s in a pity party or whatever right now. She should be next after we resolve rabbit/pawn/epi. If she actually doesn’t want to play. Get a replacement. As straightforward as it sounds.

I just got the feeling yesterday she doesn’t want to try

Fuck that.

You don't get a pass because you are in a pity party.

However, I already showed evidence of a civilian LLD. Go see it for yourself.

And then sprityo after that.

iaafr should be lynched.

What's your opinion on MacDougall?

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:10 am Also my Vote yesterday was Cause i wouldn't be able to Come back and Honestly thought that i could get some questionable reactions with it was confident it would result in either mine or Dom's death and didn't (not counting night killled)

Didn't get any BIG reactions from it like i was hopeing for more but didn't get any really

I don't believe you.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

I hate using that language ("I swear") but I think at this point, I should be cleared based on how Dom was treated. I stood up for Dom. I would not be cool being on a team that acted like that toward him. He talked about this himself.

I swear we're not teammates.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:02 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:57 pm Or are you saying the only ones who are left alive are Jack and me?
Yeah that. I wasn’t around obviously so I don’t know anything about vote order and the like.

I could be way off base but from my POV it’s noteworthy that at least two scum coordinated onto 112. Might be prudent to consider that it really was, or at least became, a counterwagon.

I won't argue this point. My goal would be to preserve the Godfather.

Evenstar's goal was too, but she acted like it was stupid and fought me on it. I can produce the interaction if you need it. It's already in here somewhere.

I'm just going to say this:

If you vote for me and you are a civilian, you should be able to look at the four questions I asked and satisfy yourself. If you cannot do that, then you shouldn't vote me. If you will not do that, then you shouldn't bother playing Mafia, should you?

If you vote for someone, please for the love of God and all that is holy be able to show why that person is guilty with regard to the three mafia members who have been shown to be mafia.

If you vote for someone on the basis of "This living person likes this living person so they are teammates," you are getting voted for, motherfucker.

Or are you saying the only ones who are left alive are Jack and me?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:54 pm The remaining players who voted for 112 are Epi and Jack in case anyone was wondering.

How are you figuring that? I was one of (if not ) the first voter on 112.

Listen folks: As long as the mafia keeps making the dumbass mistake of keeping me alive, I'm going to have everyone of y'all's asses in the hotseat.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:45 pm I have barely spent any time with juliets in this game. I can see where you’re coming from in your post Epi but it’s not enough for me to condemn her.

Then do your own goddamn research. It's Day 7. Make an independent decision on her.

I'm going to give MacDougall this much: He's tying me to mafia lynches.

While I would love to lynch him, he's doing what I asked all of you to do in spite of himself.

Talk about juliets now.

Alas, critical thinking is dead.

Christ I tried.

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