The Syndicate

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:40 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:37 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:01 pm Epi can call my attack on his argument lazy all he wants. That's bullshit. I'm not discussing it with him, because he just wants me to repeat myself over and over. I'm not going to.

And I'm not going to use the exact same angle as 3J knowing it already failed if I'm bad.

I don't give a good doggamn what you think of my argument. I was right. Worship me.

Epi, if you really believe Quin is scum, do you think scum Quin would make a big fuss over your argument of why JJJ is scum, after the event occured and he flipped scum? I mean, does that seem like something a scum Quin would do? Cos I don't know scum Quin very well, but I know no scum I have ever played with would actually do that.

Quin was wrong. He could realize my argument brought about a mafia lynch, or he could double down on his aggravation with my process.

He chose the latter.

Cam Newton doesn't tell Luke Kuechly his play was shit when Kuechly picks off a pass and runs it in for a touchdown.

If Quin and I are on the same team, then he should reevaluate what that means.

I don't think we're on the same team.

you lost me at Cam Newton

Cam Newton is offense. Luke Kuechly is defense. But they play on the same team.

My point is that if Quin was genuinely happy about 3J getting lynched, he wouldn't have criticized me for my effort in that.

He did though. Why? What is he accomplishing that furthers the civilian victory?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:29 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:26 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:01 pm Epi can call my attack on his argument lazy all he wants. That's bullshit. I'm not discussing it with him, because he just wants me to repeat myself over and over. I'm not going to.

And I'm not going to use the exact same angle as 3J knowing it already failed if I'm bad.

I don't give a good doggamn what you think of my argument. I was right. Worship me.

Epi, if you really believe Quin is scum, do you think scum Quin would make a big fuss over your argument of why JJJ is scum, after the event occured and he flipped scum? I mean, does that seem like something a scum Quin would do? Cos I don't know scum Quin very well, but I know no scum I have ever played with would actually do that.

Quin was wrong. He could realize my argument brought about a mafia lynch, or he could double down on his aggravation with my process.

He chose the latter.

Cam Newton doesn't tell Luke Kuechly his play was shit when Kuechly picks off a pass and runs it in for a touchdown.

If Quin and I are on the same team, then he should reevaluate what that means.

I don't think we're on the same team.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:16 pm Or maybe I'm reaching because Portuguese defaultsto male pronouns in the absence of specific gender, while English doesn't necessarily do that.

Using pronouns in this country is punishable by death. I just call everybody "That Asshole" to be safe.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 8:01 pm Epi can call my attack on his argument lazy all he wants. That's bullshit. I'm not discussing it with him, because he just wants me to repeat myself over and over. I'm not going to.

And I'm not going to use the exact same angle as 3J knowing it already failed if I'm bad.

I don't give a good doggamn what you think of my argument. I was right. Worship me.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:10 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 7:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 5:32 pm Are we talking about the same post here?

Actually no. No we are not. Epi's later post in which he voted Quin is about Sig. You should read it.

It's the same post, he just analyses what JJJ said about sig for a bit, then votes Quin for going after sig?

Ah. I assumed it wasn't the same post because you cut the end off.

@Epignosis We're stupid. Come in here and clarify your read of Quin and your read of Sig.

It isn't complicated.

What LC colored as red and perceived as "anti-sig" remarks really aren't. They are my running commentary on someone who is clearly not at all mindful of what he is saying, presumably because he lacks the time to be as much.

It is easy to dig into someone for inconsistencies and hypocritical remarks. It is harder to point them all out and walk away from it an overall positive view of the person's role.

sig's posts are wildly inconsistent, maintain no logic that I can follow, and don't really do anything to help the civilians. On top of it all, he never once voted. Is sig bad?

Always a possibility. What I'm seeing, however, is entirely consistent with someone who hasn't been around and probably isn't looking to play somebody.

Those are sig's posts though. It's easy to grill those.

JJJ's posts about sig are another matter entirely. JJJ remained open the entire time toward lynching sig should the climate of the thread swing that way (as it did swing toward Mesk, whom he had called good). JJJ's attitude- and I do not believe this to be a ruse- was to lynch low-posters. He even said low-posters were more likely to be bad because the thread was so active. This is horseshit.

I cannot see a single shred of evidence that JJJ and sig are teammates.

My investigation brought me to the interactions between JJJ and Quin. JJJ called Quin a civilian for bullshit reasons (i.e., I don't actually believe JJJ viewed Quin as a civilian), praised his opening contribution (which he misquoted), and on top of that, Quin has been needlessly antagonistic toward me and my effort to lynch JJJ. Even after JJJ was shown to be bad, Quin doubled down on his vague and pissy take that my thinking was poor.

JJJ was eager to lynch low-posters. Quin has taken up that mantle, even though the only confirmed mafia was the low-poster exterminator.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Quin has made a bunch of posts and I cannot recall feeling much from any of them. Reminder to self to investigate.

In his first post about people, JJJ includes this blurb about Quin. Why? If he can't remember feeling much from any of Quin's posts, why say this? And what's up with, "Reminder to self to investigate?" Is 3J really going to go back over his giant post to see this to-do list?

No. Quin reminded him.

Also:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: Quin pulled this move on Day 0. I think it's decent on a couple fronts:

1) It's effective for content generation.
2) This notion of "I have a suspicion, everyone else should tell me what it is" strikes me as an atypical means for a mafioso to either smear or distance.

Quin's Day 0 nonsense against me got the stamp of approval from JJJ.

Mind you, what applies to mafia equally applies to civilians. What civilian would come in Day 0 with " ima vote epignosis whenever and i'd like someone to tell me why that is" ?

I also note the careless misquoting of Quin's statement. Quin was asking why he was going to vote for me, not whom he was voting for.

So you did, did you?

sig wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:20 pm I'm ready!

Having said that I might not be posting much from Tuesday to Sunday

Ironically, sig was more active during this stretch than after it.

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 12:53 pm

Mesk514 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 5:00 am I am mesk, I am good! do you trust me?

that's how i feel about trust meta!

I like this guy.

Also wow y'all are jumping the barrel and getting right into it aren't you?

sig's first two relevant posts say something positive about two civilians (Mesk and me, below).

sig wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 8:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 2:08 am Put a vote on Spacedaisy. Do we believe her guilt to be coming from a place of empathy for game hosts everywhere, or from her role card?

I'm not really buying the idea that she feels guilty about rolling Mafia, making it affect her very first post in the game.

I don't understand this where did this come from? She didn't seem guilty in fact she was bragging about being a mafia member.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 10:15 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Nov 20, 2017 1:23 am Hey Jack quick question, about how does accusing someone of being one of the Good Boyz poke them?

I take it you aren't married, having never poked someone in a nice way.

Also, there is no trust exercise. I was just saying hi.

My mind went straight to the gutter with this one.

I also don't get why anyone thinks Epi is mafia, he looks like he always does. So I won't be voting for him.

I have no idea where sig got the idea that Spacedaisy was bragging about being a mafia member. Spacedaisy said she enjoys being bad.

The defense of me rings hollow: If I look like I always do, doesn't that mean I look bad?

Seriously, if I am looking like I always do, that is hardly a reason for sig to believe I am a civilian.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:32 am Mesk I've seen drunk mafia before but never high mafia, I'm enjoying it.

Also wow I'm dumb I thought the phase ended tonight.

I'm on phone about to drive to Columbus so my post will be limited, right now I've got a minor scum read on LC. I think his interaction with epi was odd and I don't like the nutella wagon which he helped to push. However, i always think lc is bad and i could see him and Epi dick slinging to be town on town
Nutella looks like she always does to me.

I do find Epi's ddl vote to be odd, he very much avoided both wagons and any fallout by voting that way.

Mesk514 it'll take awhile for you to switch over to the infodumping rules, it took me quite a few games.

In this meatier post, sig makes another (mildly) positive comment toward Mesk.

The yellow bothers me for a number of reasons.

First, sig missed the vote, so the same complaint he raises against me he could have raised against himself. Or evil MP:

MovingPictures07
1
6%
Voters: MovingPictures07

Or Spacedaisy:

Sloonei
1
6%
Voters: Spacedaisy
Spacedaisy

So why single me out as "odd?" Was I obligated to vote nutella or Long Con? I don't believe I was. "Fallout" has a negative connotation, implying that I should have voted for a civilian to bring ire upon myself. The other irony is that sig doesn't apply any "fallout" to anybody who voted for nutella, who wasn't lynched but could not be mafia.

Even more ironic is what is wedged in between the yellow snow. sig didn't vote, but (sort of) implied that he would have voted Long Con for pushing a lynch on nutella (which would imply he thought nutella was good, which makes no sense if sig thinks I maybe should have voted for her or LC instead of DDL), but then in the same breath discredits his own opinion of LC with a sweeping generality and a comment that he "could see" both of us being good.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:37 am Nevermind I see Epi's reasoning.

What ever came of LC potential scum slip? That epi pointed out I don't see much mention of it, but I feel like there should be.

I'm not sure what the "never mind" applies to, but sig, despite feeling like people should be talking about it, doesn't have anything to say about it.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 am I'm semi caught up but skipped a few pages in the middle.

I don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia

From my catch up eloh and epi look good. From what I've seen of wilgy I like. I've got a slight civ read of nutella and am a slight scum read on lc.

If I wanted to throw my vote somewhere I'd go for either daisy or maybe lc however given t he two wagons I'll look over the cases really fast.

I might make one or two more posts , I've got to be up early tomorrow to go out with my friends family and finish some homework so I might not.

It's worth noting that it is Day 5, and sig hasn't cast a single vote.

It's also worth noting that sig felt threatened by Spacedaisy and Spacedaisy was the first to die.

It's especially worth noting that sig, whether unwittingly or not, defended mafia MP by including him in his "don't lynch low posters" rant.

Without commenting on Wilgy himself, sig defended him by dismissing Spacedaisy's perspective as "trying to spread paranoia." What are civilians supposed to do? Hold hands and sing "Kumbaya?"

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:32 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 1:23 am

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 amI don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia.

1. My case against you and at first sprityo was never about low posters. It was about people who had been somewhat active but their content was so minimal that it was forgettable to me. So nice misrepresentation there.

2. I'm not spreading paranoia, I'm trying to sort through my own feelings and figure out if it's tinfoil insanity or really something. Also, if I was spreading paranoia I would not be so willing to hear other opinions and adjust based on good points in response.

This accusation was definitively a no u and it really makes me like the look of you even less.

It might've been a little no uish. However, I do see a main argument of your case being that we're low posters which is a slippery and dangerous route to follow.

2. That's something someone trying to spread paranoia would say.

linki: Jack would you mind explaining why you think you were almost lynched?

This post feels honest to me, and then we get this one:

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.

sig has no included JJJ in his condemnation of apparent "low-poster hunters," which pleases me. It's a small thing, and of course one always is swift to raise the "distancing theory," but going after 3J is a task in itself, one that sig clearly had no time to invest in. To give the illusion any credibility, sig would have needed to tangle with 3J and vote for him- neither of which occurred.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:37 am

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.

Why does Jack get your favorable outlook here?

So assuming nutella is who I think she is, then Jack was leading the lynch. True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

Jack didn't die and I only saw one known role that can survive a lynch. If it wasn't Jack then it's sloonie.

The only other role would be the 3rd party. Usually I'm very anti Third party, however it doesn't appear that this role is a SK so I don't care much and would rather focus on mafia. Therefore one of them must be a civ.

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:54 am Thanks nutella. It is strange, but I'm not sure I'd lynch on it.

Now I must be off to Thanksgiving lunch/dinner. I'll try to phone post a bit, but we'll see.

linki: True, if it starts killing I say we hunt it otherwise I'd say it's more important to go after mafia members and if we hit Olympus Mons it isn't a big loss

These posts look like an honest effort to work out what was going on with the lynch.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 11:58 am I'm here, I'll be catching up and addressing any posts directed at me tonight after my class so around 8ish and tomorrow.

I hope sig has not literally fallen off a cliff.

++++

JJJ had more to say about sig then sig did about him:

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:31 pm sig as a civilian pirate was more engaged and effortful in the high-octane Day 1 aboard the pirate ship than he was in this high-octane Day 1. Bad vibes.

Comparing sig's performance here to one in which he (I assume) had more time to invest in doesn't strike me as fair.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 11:34 pm I have no reason to read sig as a civilian.

This is the most substantive post in his history, and it's a bit of a hedge with regard to Epi and LC. He's positioned to do whatever he wants with regard to that feud.

There wasn't much to go off of regarding sig, who hadn't posted much. This sounds to me like 3J felt forced to say more about sig than he needed to, an extravagant commentary that gives 3J a license to vote for sig if things swing that way.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:I don't expect anyone to make any massive posts. I like and encourage massive posts, but I have not demanded them. I have said that in a game that moves this quickly, a pace you acknowledge in this post, that a mafia team is more challenged to keep up than they typically would be. This presents a condition wherein, if my premise is accepted, low-posters would be more likely to flip mafia than they would in most other [slower-paced] games. Do you disagree with this premise?

It must be stated that simply "lynch a low-poster" is not adequate for a day's dialogue. Assess everyone as always, and if it is a low-poster who is lynched, ensure that it's an educated choice based upon whatever content does exist among them.

I clearly must have missed this post, because I believe I would have jumped all over it.

"A mafia team is more challenged to keep up than they typically would be."

You don't say.

More posts mean it's more challenging for everyone to keep up. This is a garbage premise that effectively means JJJ was ready to lynch any and all low-posters. Why would a person's ability to keep up with the thread be indicative of his alignment?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 28, 2017 8:38 pm SPRITYO/DUNYA
SIG
EPIGNOSIS

good
bad
good

Uh-huh.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 30, 2017 1:37 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2017 12:21 am Oh!

Re: Jimmy attacking Sig

Not fair to compare early pirates Sig to late pirates Sig and then contrast early pirates Sig with Sig here cause he got real busy irl. I want to hear more from Sig and won't give him a pass all game but still. Not a fair comparison imo.

Jay, thoughts on this post?

Jack's point is fair enough. It is true that sig was busy. My willingness to give people a break for that is limited, because I have seen too many bad guys use that as an excuse to hide from the game thread (including myself in the past). That doesn't have to mean sig was doing that.

In reading through JJJ's posts, the general impression I am getting is that 3J perceived that his pathway to success needed to be paved by the bodies of the busy and the bereft of time.

He had a go at Elohcin and lynched Mesk and here left the door wide open to jump on sig.

As a side note, this observation makes me immediately suspicious of this:

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:23 am

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 2:59 am Anyone got any good reasons to choose either sig or inh over the other?

Nothing game related persay, but I think I'd rather lynch INH thinking on it. INH is an inactive replacement with a combined 0 posts and sig is an inactive with some posts. I'd prefer INH on principle.

It's worth giving sig a look since he has some content at least. I have enough motivation for that.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 3:58 am I've just pulled some posts that stand out.

Spoiler: show

sig wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:32 am Mesk I've seen drunk mafia before but never high mafia, I'm enjoying it.

Also wow I'm dumb I thought the phase ended tonight.

I'm on phone about to drive to Columbus so my post will be limited, right now I've got a minor scum read on LC. I think his interaction with epi was odd and I don't like the nutella wagon which he helped to push. However, i always think lc is bad and i could see him and Epi dick slinging to be town on town
Nutella looks like she always does to me.

I do find Epi's ddl vote to be odd, he very much avoided both wagons and any fallout by voting that way.

Mesk514 it'll take awhile for you to switch over to the infodumping rules, it took me quite a few games.

sig dislikes the nutella wagon but doesn't give an opinion on anyone involved in it besides LC and Epi at any point. His LC talk here is just sitting on the fence.

Spoiler: show

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 12:49 am I'm semi caught up but skipped a few pages in the middle.

I don't like daisy going after me and sprit and other low posters that screams mafia. Targeting people who aren't around to one defend themselves and two yo lynch since you get less heat if they flip civ when lynched. Since they weren't active so no big deal. Is my thoughts regarding lynching low posters. I also don't like het posts on wilgy they seem like she's trying to spread paranoia

From my catch up eloh and epi look good. From what I've seen of wilgy I like. I've got a slight civ read of nutella and am a slight scum read on lc.

If I wanted to throw my vote somewhere I'd go for either daisy or maybe lc however given t he two wagons I'll look over the cases really fast.

I might make one or two more posts , I've got to be up early tomorrow to go out with my friends family and finish some homework so I might not.

NO U.

Spoiler: show

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:50 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:37 am

sig wrote: ↑Thu Nov 23, 2017 11:33 am Howdy, sorry for not voting, I'd have gone for Daisy or LC since I didn't really see the case on any player. I'll address Daisy really fast, but first I want to say I really dislike the movement from her and JJJ to go after low posters who are kind off present, but not. I'll be totally honest I'm not very present and I find it odd people expect massive posts thanksgiving weekend. I also didn't expect this game to have 1400+ posts before day 3.

So since no lynches are impossible at this point one of the two, I'm assuming Jack due to vote break down has to be civ? Since mafia doesn't have a lynch survivor. Either way one of the two players should be seen as lock clear civ.

Why does Jack get your favorable outlook here?

So assuming nutella is who I think she is, then Jack was leading the lynch. True there might be other vote things going on, but I feel like neither Jack nor sloonie would make sense for the mafia team to target with their minus 1. Unless we're all way off with mafia members.

Jack didn't die and I only saw one known role that can survive a lynch. If it wasn't Jack then it's sloonie.

The only other role would be the 3rd party. Usually I'm very anti Third party, however it doesn't appear that this role is a SK so I don't care much and would rather focus on mafia. Therefore one of them must be a civ.

Put this here because I wanted to say that I agree with what sig's putting down re: EoD2. I don't have any inclination in reading the actual post.

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I'd lynch him. The lack of night kills means more to me than any of that ^.

Quin

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 9:45 am if both sig and INH were on the scum team, and both inactive, malakim would have replaced in for scum for sure. It's definitely one and not the other or maybe neither.

But let's talk about speedchuck and colonialbob.

I don't think that's logical.

sig was not completely inactive, and had stated in his first post that there would be a stretch where he would not be particularly active.

Glorfindel never posted at all. insertnamehere replaced him and said nothing but was active elsewhere. I doubt the host would use another replacement for this role regardless of alignment until the other spots got a replacement first.

MP was mafia and got replaced.

Dom was a civilian and got replaced.

Assuming you are a civilian, that's two civilian replacements and at least one mafia replacement.

There's no reason to assume the host would favor the mafia faction with replacements over civilians.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:07 am

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:18 pm Matterhorn, K2, and Elbrus are the most powerful town roles IMO.

why do you think K2 is one of the most important town roles?

To me, most of the town roles are pretty bad. Extra votes or missing votes, Malakim's role being able to copy the higher roles if he manages to target them, etc.

Where does the role say anything about managing to target them?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am K2 gives us an opinion that we 100% know is a town opinion, and that we can take at face value. It is as useful as the person using it can make it, disregarding other votes and random targeting. It's not a game-changer, but it's constantly useful and usable.

The longer that role is alive, the more dangerous it becomes.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 amStopping a lynch is useless.

Not at all.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 amPermanent BTSC is good, but the mountains have to hope they get lucky to get it.

The same comment regarding K2 applies here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 amSurviving is good, but at the point I posted this, I assumed that the survival was over. And besides, I was talking about who mafia would target. The survival isn't a role that matters until it is targeted. It doesn't threaten scum actively.

Would you consider a protector a powerful civilian role? I would. Survival roles are basically like a protector automatically gets his target right. That's even more powerful.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 amKilling a player that helped lynch you is more likely to result in 2 town death than a real vengeance against mafia.

So are lynches. By that thinking, we should never lynch anybody.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am Kenya is a vig, which is cool, but it's very easy to misdirect. It would be in my top list if it weren't for the chances downgrading over time. I'll bet it tried to kill INH or someone at some point.

How is it very easy to misdirect?

If the mafia are inactive and only JJJ was active, then he may have killed Spacedaisy, and Kenya could have killed JackofHearts, who was quite suspected. The nightkills are both written in the passive voice, and I have little reason to believe Kenya targeted Spacedaisy. I have some reason to think Kenya targeted JackofHearts, which leaves open the possibility that Jack was indeed bad, but again, we must regard the "if" here, given three deathless Nights. If Jack is bad, he would have to be the unluckiest mafia member I have ever seen.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am Insanifying has the targeting problem, and then it's just insanifying. If you insanify mafia, it just gives them an excuse to be silent. If you insanify town . . . Insanifying should be a scum role. Really.

More or less agreed.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am Blanc might be good. I don't know what it means to take a look at 3rd party. The other two roles are a switch, which is situational, and another role that inhibits the lynch, which is meh. We weren't going to lynch Epi anyway.

If anything, removing someone from the poll lets everyone else know Blanc is alive and well.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 11:24 am K2 isn't as powerful as an info role. It isn't as powerful as a reliable vig, a desperado, or a gifter of some type. But it's active, not passive, and it works without dependence on lucky targets. It provides town with a reliably honest viewpoint. I'd put it up there.
But hey, I'm weird like that.


linki: is that something you could see someone doing to their teammate? It's an easily waived... accusation? Is it even an accusation?

I'm not altogether sure why you spent an entire post lamenting your perceived lack of civilian firepower.

For one thing, I don't agree with that. When you compare what the civilians are working with to a vanilla killer, a blocker, a -1 vote that has to be called ahead of time, and a singular self-protection each Night, I'd say the civilians are well-equipped.

Long Con is bad.

He tried to get me lynched Day 1 religiously.

Now he frames that as helping me?

He is taking the piss, as the Brits say.

He had so much vigor early on, but after 3J got lynched, he threw up his hands. That's my take.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 1:02 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Dec 06, 2017 12:56 am I suppose it warrants questioning why you put up so many bullshit accusations against me early on, LC. Buddying Mesk over a legitimate view and colonialbob over lyrics and intimidating Sloonei. Why?

What did you expect to gain from that bullshit?

Helped me get a read on you early. I have never committedly believed you were bad, but it was a possibility. And I do love to help my Civ friends out by casting suspicion their way. I don't really know what you're going to do without my help from here on in.

Yeah, well stop helping me.

I suppose it warrants questioning why you put up so many bullshit accusations against me early on, LC. Buddying Mesk over a legitimate view and colonialbob over lyrics and intimidating Sloonei. Why?

What did you expect to gain from that bullshit?

YAWN

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 5:13 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:51 pm
don't open that can of worms. She's 100% confirmed Townie. :P

no she ain't

Fine. She's not.

Is she confirmed not-Mafia?

The only way Sloonei is bad is if he got unbelievably lucky Day 2.

Okay, that's all for me, thanks.

Good night and good luck.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:47 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:45 am

Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:43 am tempted to vote for "this person cannot be voted for"

I... didn't even realize that was an option.

well according to itself, it's not an option

It's me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:38 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:32 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:29 am
For the sake of clarity, why would malakim flipping bad paint bob in a negative light?

It's in that big post I made up there.

I guess that suffices. Do you have any thoughts on bob's response to that?

He didn't really respond to that.

I'll throw this out there.

If anyone had a motive to kill Jack, it would be you- not so much because Jack suspected you, but because he was being suspected, and if he were lynched and was shown to be the role that stopped the lynch the Day you almost got lynched, it could have proved calamitous for you.

There.

I'm having a bourbon and going to bed. Some bitches got work, then the work after work, and then three hours of rehearsal. Did just that today and get to do it all over again tomorrow.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:29 am
For the sake of clarity, why would malakim flipping bad paint bob in a negative light?

It's in that big post I made up there.

K2 funny

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:24 am

K2 wrote:Dearest Mountains,

Hot diggity shit, we actually got one, huh? That's great. Im glad it worked out. I had my doubts.

Now we've got something to work with. The next step is to figure out who was in the closest proximity to JJJ and who might have been distancing from him. You already knew that obviously. That's why we're here after all.

The last night where Jay got lynched would have been the ideal time for his team to bus him, but watching the lynch there wasn't certainty that he was going to die until probably the last hour or so. There's probably a lot to work with there. Watch out for anyone who seemed to actively push non-Jay options.

We should also scour his posts for clues and of course keep in mind that by the start of day 4 he must have already had some idea that he'd be lynched. Don't forget that Jay was involved in two separate lynches. That's twice as much content to analyze whilst searching for his teammates.

K2's top choices for possible JJJ partners are: Cbob, Sig, LC, Quin, and maybe DDL. I might have put Kylemii on that list as well but Kyle's been reading as authentic to me lately with his attempts to find JJJ's teammates. I have a feeling that Epi/Kyle is civ/civ. I would like to kindly request that they lay off each other for maybe a cycle and focus on other players.

Additionally, K2 thinks Jay's flip should clear Dunya and Epig from suspicion.

K2 thinks the long entry period of this game ending with the lynch of their comrade paired with the civvie trust pool we've already established must weigh on the hearts and minds of the mafia. Keep an eye out for players with weakened morale.

With all this in mind, K2 thinks the best lynch for day 5 would be CBob but K2 is open to suggestions.

Gonna finish off with a fun mountain fact:

Did you know mountains are the largest living land animal? They're not. Mountains aren't animals, you fool. You imbecile. Not all of them even live on land. Ever heard of underwater volcanoes? Get out of my sight. Learn some fucking science and then get back to me. I bet you didn't even understand that really clever meatier shower joke that I made earlier. Who do you think you are?

Anyway that's all for this issue of K2 magazine. Sorry for the day of silence. Hopefully you'll be hearing from me again soon, unless I die, get roleblocked, have my broadcast hijacked by Chimbarazoa, or just forget to send a PM again... Let's all do our best and keep killing those tiny mountains!

With Love,
K2

The mail came late today, pa.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 1:19 am Also I'm not sure what to make of bob denying that he's trying to save malakim when nobody accused him of that. I had just walked in the door from work when that flurry of posts happened so I just took his word for it that his goal was to save Mal.

I'm reading everything he says through scum-colored glasses at this point. That defense looks out of place and paranoid. I need someone to tell me if my read of bob is unfair in any way.

I think it's too late in the Day (funny, since there are hours left of it) to concern ourselves with lynching colonialbob. My opinion of him will fall into the lowest valley if malakim2099 is shown to be bad.

Bear in mind, however, that malakim2099 subbed in and kept reiterating his perception that his lynching was a foregone conclusion. I maintain it was not, but he kept harping on it all the same. His posts, despite their aggravation, sound like someone who knows he's going down eventually and needs to do some forward planning.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:43 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Dec 05, 2017 12:39 am I was already coming around to putting a vote down on malakim, but if his badness would get people to start listening to my rants about colonialbob then that just about settles it.

Why would it?

A) I'm not bad
B) if I'm mafia why am I trying to save a teammate who can't even be bothered to show up to defend himself

Who says you are you trying to save malakim2099?

malakim2099 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 01, 2017 7:10 pm Well, I'm honestly leaning towards voting JJJ because I disliked his... I guess you could call it defense? Plus there seems to be a prevalent "JJJ is mal's scumbuddy" theory out there. Though I'm not going to drop a vote yet, if only because I'm going to be around before the end of the day phase (barring catastrophic weirdness), so I will be back by then.

Oh, and passed the written test, so got my MN DL. Woot! Now to wait 3-4 weeks for the bloody thing.

Also, Get Out is freaking amazing. Love that movie (own it on Bluray).

I'm fine with a malakim2099 lynch.

The post above does two things. First, it establishes a vague reason to suspect 3J.

More importantly, malakim2099 says, "Plus there seems to be a prevalent 'JJJ is mal's scumbuddy' theory out there."

What does this mean? Was his intention to lynch someone he believed was good in order to prove that he wasn't 3J's teammate? That would be terrible if true, but it can't be the case due to the sentence that came before.

On top of that, his vote never touched 3J.
This is large, so I put it in a spoiler.

The yellow intrigues me.

I don't know if malakim2099's posts per page is set up differently than mine, but I checked paged 47. It was 3J trying to organize and then starting his "GTH" exercise.

So malakim2099 naming 3J out of the blue strikes me as either calculated or a bizarre coincidence.

His appreciation for JJJ's hail Mary posts don't help him any in my estimation, and neither does the comment about respecting him more than DDL and Wilgy.

The red intrigues me further.

"A little leery" of colonialbob, "especially" after JJJ's "ISO?"

Adverb. Weak adjective. Adverb.

All apparently inspired by the work of evil 3J, whom malakim2099 claimed to have suspected just prior. Also, Mr. Hard-to-read-Jack is dead now.

If malakim2099 is also bad, I would give heavy consideration to Sloonei's voice in the wilderness crying out against colonialbob.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:50 pm For future reference, is replacing back into a game a thing? I've done it several times on another site. I was vanilla town or some passive role (with no non-public night actions) and died early. Then I replaced a non-poster, with no more knowledge than I had with my other role. Is that a thing here?
I haven't seen it yet.

Not that I want to die and replace INH, or that anyone else can. Just wondering.

It used to be a thing here, but fell out of favor for a few reasons.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:32 pm Epi, whi INH? You seem to place votes on inactives early in the day and then come around EoD to place a real vote on a player you find suspicious. Am I correct in this?

I don't know why people get worked up over me putting a vote somewhere so I can see the poll without having to click through every time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:41 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:39 pm Y'all converted me to saying "scum" lol I used to hate that term but now I use it all the time I guess I used to say "baddies" and that just feels silly/childish to me now, idk. I guess "mafia" is a decent generic term too

I'd say "mafia" if it wasn't so hard to distinguish whether I'm referring to the mafia team or the game of mafia.

It's easy.

"mafia" - the faction

"Mafia" - the game

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 3:30 pm also important: there are 3 scummers out there still. Of course Jack incriminated at least one of them.

Erm, you have that wrong.

Jack incriminated everyone at least once.

That's probably why he got killed.

The writing style sounded like Spacedaisy.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:26 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:08 pm we didn't get a note from K2.

Does this mean k2 was jack?

It means Spacedaisy probably was.

LC, I'd rather hear your suspects going into Day 5.

I really have no idea where I'll vote at this stage. Go nuts.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Dec 04, 2017 12:00 am Dear mafia, if you kill one of kyle/Epi i promise to try to get the other lynched so we don't have to read any more academic dick-measuring kthx

Apparently we disagree on how to read the ruler.

nutella and I mind melding is weird.

You are correct that Wilgy said "early," but you didn't include that word:

"I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate? "

That's categorical. Why didn't you recall suspecting 3J, or why did you forget suspecting him?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:44 pm Man, next time I'm bad, I'm gonna push really hard to save random people and make vague weak cases against several people too. Wine for everyone!

The problem is that I drink wine. Lots of wine. I am a



It is a legitimate strategy. I do it. Can you not consider that 3J is smart enough to pretend to save Dom?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 11:21 pm Well, hell.

I hosted the damn game and had to go back and look.

My thought was that malakim2099 was faking the "janitor" thing because he played in Street Fighter and was bad. I don't reveal the identities of the killed my games usually, but Street Fighter was an exception, and that was the only game of mine malakim2099 ever played in.

Therefore:

Second, malakim2099 looked genuinely confused at there not being a Night kill reveal.

Do you think this is alignment indicative?

I do not.

I suppose not.

That said, I would like to hear more from malakim2099 in light of 3J's lynch before taking him down. The worst thing going against him is something an evildoer did.

Well, hell.

I hosted the damn game and had to go back and look.

My thought was that malakim2099 was faking the "janitor" thing because he played in Street Fighter and was bad. I don't reveal the identities of the killed my games usually, but Street Fighter was an exception, and that was the only game of mine malakim2099 ever played in.

Therefore:

Second, malakim2099 looked genuinely confused at there not being a Night kill reveal.

To Jack:

My immediate instinct after JJJ got lynched was to lynch Dom's replacement next (sorry, "Dom's replacement" is easier to write than having to go back and see what the replacement's username is).

I agree with your view. It was my own: Why would 3J say Mesk was good, Dom was bad, say he'd vote Dom if there were moments left in the Day, but then ultimately ended up voting Mesk?

However, two things have given me pause here:

First, I believe Sloonei is good, and he is holding up a finger.

Second,

Wait a minute.

I'm going to leave Kylemii alone to let him do his thing. I think we tangled enough and got off on a damn tangent, and I respect his resoluteness even if we disagree on certain things. I do want to hear other people's opinions about my grievances though.

Moving on.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 1:07 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:42 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:37 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 02, 2017 12:35 pmWhat do we think of LC? He was early to adopt the J3 suspicion last cycle but voted Speed. I recall thinking he was bad previous and now something isn't sitting right.

I don't recall adopting the JJJ suspicion. Are you sure your memories of that are accurate?

Lemme double cherck.

Chercking is what happens when a jerk checks. jk

You right. Idk what made me think you agreed with it. Bad feeling about LC absolved.

Somebody read this whole exchange. Now look at the below:

JaggedJimmyJa
3
18%
Voters: Epignosis, nutella, Long Con

The hell?

To be fair, I posted a picture of Edgar Winter only to show the silliness in stating there are only three eye colors. Albinos can have red eyes.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:49 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:36 pm Words weren't invented by a person. You are so ignorant on the origin of language it kills me. Literally. It literally kills me. It literally kills me so much, I'm literally using literally wrong.

Oh that's right I forgot that words were gifted to us by the unfathomable Elder God's

You weren't joking about those grammatical mistakes to piss me off, were you?



For real, I don't want to fuss about this. This isn't the place to debate this shit. That's the truth. It's probably more annoying than the jackasses on here arguing about which Pokemon is the best.

It's Lugia, bitches.

I do believe our conversation got out of hand, and I'm going to step back. You are someone I value, even if we may not agree on things.

I also believe I have solid grievances against you in the context of Mafia.

My issue with Kylemii began with his lynching of Mesk over Dom due to his perspective that lynching the former would provide information that a lynching of the latter would not. I disagreed with this perspective. To me, lynching because you are trying to get clues as to what to do next is poor strategy at best, and a sign that you are evil at worst.

My issue with Kylemii continued with the way he pursued a speedchuck lynch, but went to a 3J lynch toward the end of the Day.

I've commented at length regarding both of these things, but the discussion became a linguistic debate.

I would rather others comment on Kylemii, his perspective, and his votes. Were they genuine or phony? I lean the latter.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 10:33 pm Also, before we put this to bed I want to let you know that you've been needlessly insulting, and I don't really appreciate it. I hope we can move forward with you trying to murder me in a more mannerly fashion....

Because if we can't then I'm going to misuse commas in every post I make to you until one of us dies.

And I have found you insulting toward me.

We can move on.

Words weren't invented by a person. You are so ignorant on the origin of language it kills me. Literally. It literally kills me. It literally kills me so much, I'm literally using literally wrong.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:34 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:26 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:04 pm @Epignosis

these are the basics

No thanks. Your examples showed me all I need to know regarding the credibility of that link.

No like I'm actually pretty sure you could improve your critical thinking skills if you studied symbolic logic a little. You wouldn't fall into circular logic traps and stuff like that as much. I'm not even joking.

In any case from now on whenever I have to explain anything to you that you should reasonably already know as an English teacher you're going to owe me $50 of out of state tuition for for every hour I have to spend responding to you.

You called an analogy a metaphor.

Fuck outta here.

The difference between an analogy and a metaphor is negligible as long as you knew what I meant, which you clearly did. The sole purpose for language is to communicate ideas and concepts so mission accomplished.

I never said I was a good teacher. I'm just telling you the arrangement. If you're going to waste any more of my time with semantics discussions I should get something out of it right?

It's just how things are now, sorry I don't make the rules.

Your acceptance that words mean whatever people think they mean as long as they can assume the person whom they are communicating to will understand them is one reason people are such shitty communicators anymore.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:34 pmIt's just how things are now, sorry I don't make the rules.

If you studied prescriptivism and descriptivism, that's really, really, funny.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:29 pm Mafia is difficult for me. Epi, when you asked me what I think of Jack, it was like trying to do a look-and-find in my brain, tbh. There are so many players, so many components, so much of not knowing where to place who. It's like when you cook in the kitchen and every ingredient is left out after usage. Dirty pots and pans everywhere and utinsils all over the place. When I go into the kitchen to plate the food, I have to find the lid to each container and put everything away, fill the dw with the dirty dishes and clean off the counter tops even before I can plate the food. If I don't, my brain is overwhelmed by the disorganization and I cannot think straight to plate all the components for each person. Jack is like the lid to the oregano seasoning in a sea of kitchen disarray. This is my view of mafia and why it's so difficult for me.

And this is a simile.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:23 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:12 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2017 9:04 pm @Epignosis

these are the basics

No thanks. Your examples showed me all I need to know regarding the credibility of that link.

No like I'm actually pretty sure you could improve your critical thinking skills if you studied symbolic logic a little. You wouldn't fall into circular logic traps and stuff like that as much. I'm not even joking.

In any case from now on whenever I have to explain anything to you that you should reasonably already know as an English teacher you're going to owe me $50 of out of state tuition for for every hour I have to spend responding to you.

You called an analogy a metaphor.

Fuck outta here.