The Syndicate

sprityo wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

sprityo wrote:I have returned, im still pushing for JoH or Epi if that's on the table

I regrettably havent been paying much attention today and am not even sure why you guys are voting Silver

Is the argument for lynching Epi due to you not believing his claim or what?

I still may consider JOH myself, but like you I feel like I've been mostly out of the loop since D1.

I believe he's 3rd party indi. or im at least 90% sure he's independent

I just dont think he's playing towards the town's interest as of current. (or at least on my last check of him)

gfishfunk
9
DrWilgy (14), Epignosis (15)

Uhhh no Peg

S~V~S wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@SVS - I don't see a confirmation of Jack being silenced though, also he already posted this day so he's probably not. In any case I don't think that would be alignment indicative for him, do you?

Open question: How normal is it for info to be leaked through the write up? I'm not used to that, and I don't know the ME games, so I'm not getting a lot out of the write ups and not sure I should?

I think he's silenced becasue he's voting and not posting. It is more common than not for silencing to NOT be announced. But after I voted him, he moved his vote from Adam to me, then when I saw his last post was before the night post, and unvoted him, he moved his vote OFF of me. Either he is silenced or he is pretending to be silenced, but in either case, being unable to ascertain which, I prefer not to vote for him if he cannot respond.

Maybe he's trying to work out how to make a rainbow just using the poll?

Long Con wrote:

Canucklehead wrote:Hi.
I used to play mafia. I miss it!
Also, my husband was on the team that made the original Mass Effect.
Therefore, I am cool by proxy and should've signed up for this game.
Now back to your regularly scheduled slaughter...

Canuuuuuuuuuuck!!

This is the lady that craftily got the whole baddie team to out themselves in Roger Rabbit. Brilliant! And Canadian, so that's always a plus.

Damnedest thing I ever saw as a host.

Long Con wrote:Long Con in da hoouuuuusse!

MovingPictures07 wrote:I don't really care.

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:...I have 100 posts per page and 10 pages to read. So yeah. That's not happening. My time will be better used elsewhere.

I read every single post you make. And you make a lot of them when you really don't need to.

Oh, I have every intention of reading as much as I can. I just think I'll be doing ISOs or interactive analyses or something. Trying to speedread this shit after a long ass day in which I taught 4 hours and a bunch of other stuff is just not on the table for me.

What do you make of me then this game?

What do I make of you? I don't really make anything of you.

If you want some direction, I recommend going through Long Con and CaptainNifty.

You really do need to read the whole thing though for context.

Cool, thanks. I was planning on going alphabetically, but perhaps I'll hit them earlier than that.

If you can download this thing and insert it into my brain osmosis style, by all means. Until then, I'll have to discover context backwards.

Foolish human.

You mean "diffusion." Not "osmosis."

MovingPictures07 wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:...I have 100 posts per page and 10 pages to read. So yeah. That's not happening. My time will be better used elsewhere.

I read every single post you make. And you make a lot of them when you really don't need to.

Oh, I have every intention of reading as much as I can. I just think I'll be doing ISOs or interactive analyses or something. Trying to speedread this shit after a long ass day in which I taught 4 hours and a bunch of other stuff is just not on the table for me.

What do you make of me then this game?

What do I make of you? I don't really make anything of you.

If you want some direction, I recommend going through Long Con and CaptainNifty.

You really do need to read the whole thing though for context.

MovingPictures07 wrote:...I have 100 posts per page and 10 pages to read. So yeah. That's not happening. My time will be better used elsewhere.

I read every single post you make. And you make a lot of them when you really don't need to.

Immortal_Raven wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Honestly, Realms people, I think the over-reliance on role checks and role reveals and role this and role that is telling on you.

I could say the reverse about Syndicate folks. "So-and-so is exhibiting strong town behavior because of X, Y, and Z." All of that is subjective post analysis. I thought gfish was town because he was selling out pretty hard to get you lynched. That is fairly typical "town" behavior from him. It turned out to not be typical behavior from him.

The bottom line is there are many different ways to play. The chips fall where they may but saying one playstyle is inherently better than the other comes across as folly.

It sucks about Dom but again, one kill. To me, that says there is an info-based lead out there that is worth exploring.

See above.

Also, there was only one kill because there was only supposed to be one kill:

REAPERS (3 roles)
They kill on Nights 1, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 12 (and so on with even-numbered nights)

CERBERUS (3 roles)
They kill on Nights 1, 2, 4, 6, 7, 9, 11, 13 (and so on with odd-numbered nights)

This was a Cerberus kill.

CaptainNifty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Mr. Nifty:

Why did you vote for me instead of Gfishfunk when he was your second most suspected person and then you voted Gfishfunk after I, your most suspected person, voted for him?

CaptainNifty wrote:Fred. You're wrong.

I'm not scum of any flavor. You're completely off base.

I thought I had a way to temporarily re-power you. I was wrong. Less able to prove my civness now.

I could try to counter each of your arguments, but my gut tells me it won't matter. I don't have anything really useful, other than my gut says silver, adam and TSP are shady.

No. No bullshit. I don't care about your gut.

How were you going to re-power Fred?

CaptainNifty wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Anyway, sorry to see Garrus go, do we learn anything from his death?

Does it seem odd that Cerberus hit Dom to anyone else but me?

The first thing that pops into my head is Jack. While just about everyone is suspicious of him, no one really got under his skin except Dom. I can see 2 scenarios.

1) Jack had his Cerberus pals hit Dom. This is not a particularly likely scenario, but it's possible.
2) Cerberus hit Dom hoping to push the above theory today hoping that the lynch of JoH sticks.

Either way Dom is dangerous to scum and I'm sure that's why they hit him.

How does mafia know Dom is dangerous?

You are bad.

They know Dom is dangerous because he is obviously a good player. Kinda like cbob was dangerous. In addition Dom is especially dangerous to Jack's faction.

No, I'm not bad. But you are an asshole.

Epignosis wrote:Honestly, Realms people, I think the over-reliance on role checks and role reveals and role this and role that is telling on you.

You're the only one who has brought anything like this up this phase. Furthermore, this very criticism has been brought by Realms people in this thread. I would say, while the Realms may rely to heavily on role reveals and info dumps, the Syndicate people (you especially) seem to reject it out of hand.

I'm going to bed, so I'm done with this conversation for a few hours, but you won't have to worry about some of us Realms people being back. After this game, I'm not likely to come back to the Syndicate. While most people have been welcoming, and we've had some playstyle friction, your open hostility and outright rudeness to the people from my site is just offensive. Frankly, it's one of the reasons I hoped you were lynched yesterday, just because my enjoyment of the game would increase with you gone. Instead I voted for game scum instead of you.

First, I never called anyone an "asshole," like you have to me twice now.

Second, I can mock the civilians all I want. It's my role. "Do you feel the fears swell inside that filthy bag of meat? What is like to be afraid? Why do you cling to such a pathetic existence? If you could only feel a spark of my glory. I despise my creations, for they have forced me to rely on a speck such as you." See?

Third, you claim you wanted me out because your enjoyment would increase with me gone. Yet you voted for me second before I had even begun to respond to gfishfunk's bullshit role block case against me. So what did I do or say before your vote that made you want me gone? When I said I didn't give a shit about your puny pressure votes, I wasn't being rude or joking or criticizing how anybody plays- I meant it. I was being truthful. "Filthy meatsacks!" Like I said, I knew what I was doing all along.

Fourth, my comment about relying on role claims and the like was not an insult, but rather an accusation and a playful acknowledgement of irony: When I was accused of being bad, I predicted there and then that role claiming would not advance the civilians due to all the available roles left to claim (and I of course knew I had a fake one to claim anyway, so I extrapolated that mafia would have fake ones as well). gfishfunk made this hostile advancement on me by first lying about a role block (golly, that sure isn't a very nice thing to do- lying about a role block to get a person lynched and removed from the game! But he's not an asshole...) and then led you and others from your site to get me lynched. The massive irony was that a role claim did result in a mafia lynch, but it was because the fake claim used was inconsistent to the civilian optimal use of that role. I wonder, therefore, who else may be caught in this or a similar trap. Again, irony, not insult.

Finally, I don't disrespect you Realms folk at all. On the contrary. For example: Lying about a role block in an open setup to get me lynched on Day 2? I normally keep this sort of commentary to myself until after everything is done, but I don't mind saying it now: I love those brass balls. I have immense respect for gfishfunk's ploy. It was conniving and risky and all that I admire about evilness. It simply didn't pan out, and that happens. Even without ever seeing him play as a civilian, I can already see that he is a skilled and enthusiastic civilian when he is one.

Nothing anyone says in the context of Mafia should be taken as a reflection of that person. In our last foray, I caught S~V~S as mafia, and she got pissy at me to the extent that I believed she was good and that was enough to secure her team's win. On the surface, that stings, but do I think she's a bad person for it? Not at all. She used what worked to accomplish what needed to be accomplished. She tricked me. That's all fair game. This is a game of emotional and logical manipulation.

So I accept any assessment that I am being arrogant or aggressive. But I am not an asshole.

Honestly, Realms people, I think the over-reliance on role checks and role reveals and role this and role that is telling on you.

Mr. Nifty:

Why did you vote for me instead of Gfishfunk when he was your second most suspected person and then you voted Gfishfunk after I, your most suspected person, voted for him?

CaptainNifty wrote:Fred. You're wrong.

I'm not scum of any flavor. You're completely off base.

I thought I had a way to temporarily re-power you. I was wrong. Less able to prove my civness now.

I could try to counter each of your arguments, but my gut tells me it won't matter. I don't have anything really useful, other than my gut says silver, adam and TSP are shady.

No. No bullshit. I don't care about your gut.

How were you going to re-power Fred?

CaptainNifty wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Anyway, sorry to see Garrus go, do we learn anything from his death?

Does it seem odd that Cerberus hit Dom to anyone else but me?

The first thing that pops into my head is Jack. While just about everyone is suspicious of him, no one really got under his skin except Dom. I can see 2 scenarios.

1) Jack had his Cerberus pals hit Dom. This is not a particularly likely scenario, but it's possible.
2) Cerberus hit Dom hoping to push the above theory today hoping that the lynch of JoH sticks.

Either way Dom is dangerous to scum and I'm sure that's why they hit him.

How does mafia know Dom is dangerous?

You are bad.

Long Con wrote:

Fredwood wrote:Anyway, sorry to see Garrus go, do we learn anything from his death?

Does it seem odd that Cerberus hit Dom to anyone else but me?

The obvious target would be Epignosis, but maybe they just assume he'll get lynched.

Or maybe they tried to kill Epi, and failed, and the Dom kill was a one-shot.

Why am I the obvious target?

Fredwood's analysis was one of the best I've ever seen.

He doesn't usually do those?

Bravo.

CAP (in his ass)

Dyslexicon wrote: Dom - Is like a mix of Epi and Llama and it's fun.

You have no idea how much I want to put this in my signature.

nutella wrote:First you then a bunch of bible related stuff. It's pretty clearly used in religious contexts.

Someone should really update that Wikipedia page. It's way inaccurate.

I don't choose to be a Reaper. I choose to win with them.

That's a big difference.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:@Dom - My suspicion on Nut is just there because she hasn't contributed enough for me to say otherwise. She's not a Cerberus, and I don't trust her yet... So Reaper!

@EVERYONE
I'm tired of this Judge Judy bullshit. I need from each player, in only 3 sentences minimum, who are GFish's teammates and why.

My own -
LC and Raven are GFish's teammates. LC for his interactions with Epi during the past cycle. Raven for Gfish's "out of left field" question, and acceptance of sub-par answers (IMO).

I think the fastest way for us to deal with Cerberus is to tie up both LC and Raven. Lay them both down so their heads are relatively on top of each other, then drop a really, really, heavy rock on both of their heads. There will be a crunch, then a host message that Cerberus has been womp womp'd.

I don't know if you are worth trying to reason with, but you are wrong. I'm not Cerberus. Go drop a rock on your own head, as far as I'm concerned there's no reason not to believe you're a Reaper.

M'kay, do you have reason to believe I AM a Reaper? By all means, drop a rock on my head if you think that'll win you the game.

Well, you've been fawning over Epignosis for quite a while now. Since I believe he's chosen to be a Reaper, that makes you my number one choice as a Reaper suspicion.

How do I choose to be a Reaper?

Explain it to me using my role description.

Long Con wrote:

Epignosis wrote:On another note, "Long Con" is a fairly simple name to say something about. gfish took a stab at my name, which is fairly more complicated, but for Long Con, had this to say: "I have nothing witty to say about this person. It can be argued that I haven't said anything witty yet, either."

I believe Long Con was paralyzed. That is to say I believe he was Gfishfunk's teammate, but, due to the circumstances, he couldn't comfortably move his vote even if he wanted to. So he stayed on me. He had no comfortable avenue to vote elsewhere.

And gfishfunk being mafia gives credence to my little scheme with respect to Long Con. The fact that they both tried to "expose" me shows they are working together.

I will stop here to flush my system. I will resume later. I encourage everyone to look at these posts and see potential teammate interactions.

There are no teammate interactions. I wasn't working with gFish, he followed me on my suspicion of you. I didn't have a Mafia team in mind when I accused you, I just knew you were lying about being Civ.

Mafia that tried to kill me knew I was lying about being a civilian.

And you kept asking if I was nervous. I don't get nervous. I know exactly what I'm about at all times. Have you ever seen me get nervous before endgame? I told you I only ever nervous at endgame.

This ain't endgame bucko. No nerves. I knew precisely what I was doing, and, in a roundabout way, it led a mafia lynch. I'm happy with that. I think I've caught you as his teammate.

Let's make Cerberus uncomfortable tonight.

gfishfunk wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:No voting Day 0, correct?

I haven't even read the rules yet. I can access the site from work and I'll have plenty of downtime Monday.

Can we vote no lynch?

Why in the world would we want to vote no lynch?

I'm asking, not suggesting.

Great interaction with MP. I despise no lynches outside of certain endgame scenarios, and I know MP feels likewise.

gfishfunk wrote:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Bob is by my estimation the best HCRealms player who isn't me. He's great at strategic analysis. I totally expected his first posts to be clarifying rules/tricky roles and especially meta/Syndicate strategy. That is outside his alignment and is step one to playing this game from his (and my) standpoint. You have to understand the whole picture before you can play well. In no universe does Bob ignore this and in no universe is he scared to engage the Syndicate players in this type of discussion.

The only thing that Bob has done that is potentially alignment indicative is voting for Dizzy. Bob, can you explain your vote?

I don't like this post, which looks like cozying up to Bob.

Also, he didn't compliment me.

Also, I'm not as good as bob either.

On the surface, this looks like banter, and it's worth a reminder that gfishfunk had no qualms about trying to save himself with Jack's body. I think that works in Jack's favor as far as this team is concerned. The next post, which I won't quote, reinforces this for me.

gfishfunk wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

MovingPictures07 wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:No voting Day 0, correct?

I haven't even read the rules yet. I can access the site from work and I'll have plenty of downtime Monday.

Can we vote no lynch?

Why in the world would we want to vote no lynch?

I'm asking, not suggesting.

Good cooperation on the MP wagon. If he's town, we can blame Wilgy.
Also, don't think no lynch is a choice, since it's not an option in the poll.

I thought I would throw a vote on him to see what he would do.

Is this a game that you can power claim, name claim, action claim, alliance claim, and everything? I assume so, but I don't want to get mod-killed or whatever your equivalent is.

I really don't understand this interaction. Instinctively, it raises my suspicion of Dys.

gfishfunk - myself: usually one of the top posters, even if I have limited access. People say I think outside the box (JoH mentioned it in his read) and I protest that I think things through differently. In real life, I'm a lawyer.

This is another indication that I don't think JoH is Cerberus.

Now what I am about to say regarding this post may seem insignificant, but in hindsight, I think it's important.

"Epignosis" is a Greek word meaning "toward knowledge." It's my username because it defines what I'm about.

gfishfunk got the meaning wrong.

Epignosis - has knowledge of of the spiritual realm above, if names are to be believed.

I might forgive it, except that he said "if names are to be believed."

That tells me he didn't look up my name. "Epignosis" doesn't inherently have anything to do with spiritual things or heaven or any of that. My music has such themes.

What I'm driving at is this: Gfishfunk is on a team with somebody who knows I'm religious but doesn't know what my name means. In other words, I believe someone from The Syndicate is on his team, because his understanding of Koine Greek is shit. How did he know my name could be religious?

On another note, "Long Con" is a fairly simple name to say something about. gfish took a stab at my name, which is fairly more complicated, but for Long Con, had this to say: "I have nothing witty to say about this person. It can be argued that I haven't said anything witty yet, either."

I believe Long Con was paralyzed. That is to say I believe he was Gfishfunk's teammate, but, due to the circumstances, he couldn't comfortably move his vote even if he wanted to. So he stayed on me. He had no comfortable avenue to vote elsewhere.

And gfishfunk being mafia gives credence to my little scheme with respect to Long Con. The fact that they both tried to "expose" me shows they are working together.

I will stop here to flush my system. I will resume later. I encourage everyone to look at these posts and see potential teammate interactions.

Quin wrote:Sausage roll bitches.

Tuck and roll your britches.

DrWilgy wrote:Tuck n roll bitches

Tuck and roll bitches.

I need a drink.

I'm a robot who likes beer and Jesus.

Then I will analyze some things for you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Prediction: I will still get at least three votes right off the bat tomorrow if I survive the night.

Someone should shoot Silver or SVS. Epi is too dangerous to shoot if he's really Geth.

I'm stupid to shoot if I am who I say I am.

Again, wasted opportunity.

sprityo wrote:No content to counteract the defensive standpoint, it's all "fuck off, im more helpful to you all alive than not." which again, has been the exact opposite thus far.

sprityo wrote:I should also go and say this along with what i just said about my uncertainty of Jack and wanting him to get out of the way now since i probably wont be able to place him elsewhere later in game:

In most of my experiences of Third Party/Independents, It is almost ALWAYS beneficial to remove them early if theyre trying to gambit for their life. Sorry Epi, but you basically have left yourself to the mercy of the game instead of playing it. Fearmongering aside, it's a poor play.

Gambit for my life? What the hell does that even mean?

Nothing about my play has been poor. I'm rocking it.

MovingPictures07 wrote:Consider me confused then. Lol.

I would say that this makes gfish's claim sound like BS, but why would gfish lie about this in such blatantly illogical form if mafia? That's what I don't understand.

Hey MP...

Did you and your team forget to send in a kill...again?

MovingPictures07 wrote:Wow, sounds like I missed an interesting read. Look forward to becoming acclimated with that properly this weekend. Thanks guys.

So gfish claims to have a cop ability and an RB ability and he's claiming to have used the RB first?

That's right.

Role block / "chance to kill" I might add.

I can't "turn" bad. I am, if you will, but a passenger who merely chooses which car to ride in.

gfishfunk wrote:

CaptainNifty wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Dyslexicon wrote:@Fred, My sanity and my soul. Should I join on Jack?

I see Gfish claiming. Why on earth would you not use a cop action the first night if this is your role? Any counters to this?

Because of the potential nightkill on it. How badass would that be?

And once again, I didn't hit town with it.

How in the world would you know the alignment of who you hit?

I didn't. It was a guess. And damnit if it wasn't a fantastic one because I was right.

The sheer amount of horror from you all is astounding.

Tell me: How demoralizing is it to have your first kill of the game wasted on someone you don't need dead to win...and you couldn't even succeed at that?

Fredwood wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Fredwood wrote:He claimed one of 28 roleblocks

I claimed a role block with self protection.

Is Epi only after you cause you claimed to have blocked him?

Does a kill attempt appear on him in the write up?

No, epi wants LC to die. But he's going to vote for whoever has the greatest chance of being lynched of not being him.

That's not accurate. If I get lynched, so be it, and I side with the Reapers because the civilians are fucked if they think lynching me is in their best interest.

Yeah, gfishfunk is a liar. Who the hell uses a block / kill BEFORE an alignment check.

Lies.

Dyslexicon wrote:@Fred, My sanity and my soul. Should I join on Jack?

I see Gfish claiming. Why on earth would you not use a cop action the first night if this is your role? Any counters to this?

There aren't going to be any counters for anybody. I went over this. There are more roles than players. His role is either his role or it's a fake role. I lean the latter.

Long Con wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:

Fredwood wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Fred, JoH can both of you vote Gfish so we can give that wagon a chance.

To a point, but to me we're in the same position if we all switch from Jack to Gfish. I think either can go, I have less faith that either will at this point.

I just don't see how we need to play it safe at this point, we have leeway now. If you all think Epi is a safe lynch...doesn't it make more sense to save it for if we get in a situation where we need to be careful?

To EVERYONE we will gain mpre info from a JoH lynch than an Epi lynch.

We would gain the most info from a gfish lynch.

Isn't info what all civs thirst for?

I am expecting some excellent info from the Epi lynch. I'm not convinced that what Epignosis is claiming is true.

What's the alternative? Why did I ditch my Vega claim that got most of the votes off me?

Was I nervous?

Silver Lantern wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

gfishfunk wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Okay obviously I am not gonna catch so I will try starting from the end and working my way back.

Hey Silver. Want to help lynch a possible Reaver and probable Scummy neutral? Vote Epignosis!

A reaver? What the hell is that?

You are Cerberus, and I think Long Con is too. You tried to kill me. It failed. So you made up this bullshit role block story.

You are bad.

Why would his kill on you fail?

Damn, you are behind.

I protected myself with a 75% survival chance.

gfishfunk wrote:

Silver Lantern wrote:Okay obviously I am not gonna catch so I will try starting from the end and working my way back.

Hey Silver. Want to help lynch a possible Reaver and probable Scummy neutral? Vote Epignosis!

A reaver? What the hell is that?

You are Cerberus, and I think Long Con is too. You tried to kill me. It failed. So you made up this bullshit role block story.

You are bad.

DrWilgy wrote:

Epignosis wrote:I don't know, Wilgy. You got my alignment wrong this time.

Implying I care about that at this point.

gfishfunk

I don't know, Wilgy. You got my alignment wrong this time.

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Epi, please help the civs and vote Jack.

Please don't punish all the civs for afew being wrong/misguided/mafia.

Epignosis wrote:I'm not punishing anybody. I'm also not doing their jobs for them.

DrWilgy wrote:But you aren't allowing those who at least are trying to take a chaince fpr the gain of info to be rewarded by throwing a sideline vote.

What's this? An admitted neutral is not helping out the town? I'm shocked! SHOCKED I SAY!

Wait wait wait.

If I vote Jack, I'm helping the civilians.

But but but but...

You're not voting Jack.

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:Homie, you aren't hunting. You want to look like you are hunting, but you aren't.

Your "safe" Epi vote reinforces this more so. You gathing info that you aren't using reinforces this. Your acceptance of ravens half answered questions reinforces this. Your hard claim w/o any investigation reinforced this.

You aren't a hunter.

I put a lot on the line to reveal information, garner a claim, and then moved to lynch the result. Homie, I'm the ONLY hunter.

You might not like what I do, but I don't see you doing anything.

You're not hunting! You're sitting by the fire having a brandy!

Where you think you are safe.

DrWilgy wrote:Epi, please help the civs and vote Jack.

Please don't punish all the civs for afew being wrong/misguided/mafia.

Linki - 8/10, there was no investment before hand. There are multuple roles making that claim easy and if Gfish was on the team that targeted Epi, it would explain the motive.

I'm not punishing anybody. I'm also not doing their jobs for them.

I want people to fight. I don't want people to plop a vote on either me or Jack and call it a day. There's over two hours remaining.

I want people to

CaptainNifty wrote:

Epignosis wrote:
Lynching me is in essence a no-lynch- like the Day phase never happened- and one of you will die, so it's like there were two kills Night 1.

I'm not following how "one of you will die" if we lynch you.

Mafia kills tonight.

gfishfunk wrote:

Epignosis wrote:Looking at those numbers, the civilians can afford (in a worst case scenario) three bad lynches.

I disagree. Scum factions need to hunt each other and will be looking at nightkilling each other if possible.

Large print edition.

In fact, I'm moving my vote.

CaptainNifty

There's a few hours left. You didn't need to "pick a side."

I'm so pleased I'm not a civilian in this. If I were, I'd be losing my shit right now.

Six people currently think (or are pretending to think) that lynching someone who is non-hostile is in the best interest of the civilians.

There are seventeen alive.
Only nine of those are civilians.
Six are bad.
Two are independent.

I'm a non-hostile independent regardless of which way I go, because nobody needs me dead to win and I can't kill. I would assume, then, that the one independent who is not me is hostile. That's seven roles civilians have to eliminate somehow, and lynches are the most insightful and dependable way to do that.

Looking at those numbers, the civilians can afford (in a worst case scenario) three bad lynches.

Lynching me is in essence a no-lynch- like the Day phase never happened- and one of you will die, so it's like there were two kills Night 1.

But carry on. Keep playing it "safe."

While I like my clever little ruse (and it was clever ), LC is correct that it assumes I was targeted for the Night kill. I'm aware that may not have happened. I'm still attracted to the idea of the lazy mafia.

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:If Epi sides with the Reapers, he is only an extra vote right?

Lynching him now doesn't do anything for us.

It doesn't hurt the town and removes someone with incentive to vote against the town.

It absolutely does hurt. You have one fewer opportunity to meet your objective and give me zero incentive to even consider siding with the civilians in this conflict.

For what it's worth though, if I did choose the evil route, I'd probably be more inclined to stay out of the way (see Day 1).

gfishfunk wrote:

DrWilgy wrote:My final question. Would Epi's team purposely not put in a kill, for this plot, on the chance that someone could counter claim? I don't see it.

I don't think anyone suggested that as a possibility. I also don't see it.

Ask anybody who knows: I don't miss kill opportunities. Ever. You don't win by keeping civilians alive.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Epi is for sure scum or potential scum. Thanks for claiming, Epi.

I see.

Jack

Fredwood wrote:

Epignosis wrote:

Long Con wrote:Epignosis, how skilled are you at mind games, in relation to the average player?

Depends on what time of day it is I guess. I don't really know how skilled the average person is, so I really couldn't say.

I will say this: I have thirty minutes to write fifty baseball lineups. So I am going away for a little bit.

I'm intrigued DFB, or what?

Yeah, I became something of a Daily Fantasy Sports nerd last year. I have my hot and cold streaks, but I earn a decent profit, such as it is. I'm trying to get consistent with baseball. Baseball was the only sport last year I played regularly that I lost money on. I'm trying to make that not the case this year.

Long Con wrote:Epignosis, how skilled are you at mind games, in relation to the average player?

Depends on what time of day it is I guess. I don't really know how skilled the average person is, so I really couldn't say.

I will say this: I have thirty minutes to write fifty baseball lineups. So I am going away for a little bit.

gfishfunk wrote: My thinking is that Epi is the safest lynch, possibly also making him the best lynch for that reason. I for one think Epi is being honest.

I'm not a safe lynch. I'm a dumb lynch.

The civilians have a finite number of opportunities to eliminate 6+ threats. By lynching me, you burn one of those opportunities. Are you confident enough that you would willingly reduce your number of opportunities by one?

Anybody calling for my lynch because it's safe should be on one's radar. Mafia would want to get rid of me because it lets all of them live another day. So not safe. Foolish and profligate.

Long Con wrote:What makes you think anyone would want to kill you on Night 1?

No wait. I-



I just can't-



Ahem.

First, I can confidently say that when it comes to drawing an early Night kill, I am in the top ten percent on this site. My lynched/killed splits are so lopsided they could have had a stroke.

Second, people have remarked multiple times about my cagey behavior early on- what is the purpose of that? Mafia might speculate that I was keeping a low profile to protect a juicy ability. That's just one of several possibilities, but mafia have never needed a good reason to kill me before.

Finally, I find it amusing that I'm being asked about mafia kill strategy by a guy who had his own team Night kill him. Seriously.

Long Con wrote: If that's what I believed, then I wouldn't have made the argument against the roleblock stopping the kill. If I knew you were bad because I was bad and tried to kill you, then I would assume that the roleblock thing was true. I defended you against the roleblock thing. I didn't suspect you until you started this wishy-washy hintclaim business.

With few exceptions, I don't automatically believe anything you say that begins with "I wouldn't have..." Your argument gives the appearance of thinking things through when you already know what you believe. It served a purpose.

You precisely suspecting me when I claimed Vega (and over being nervous!) makes me think you felt like you had me cornered and caught, and you just needed to make your move.

All of this, I grant, is circumstantial evidence, but it's precisely the evidence I was looking for. Lots of people were content with my claim and found it believable, which is what I expected to happen, but I was watching for someone to call bullshit and try to be a hero and get me lynched. Turns out that hero was you.

Long Con wrote: I think I'm missing something here. If we lynch you today, then you don't get to align with anyone, and you lose the game, cold and alone.

My role says "by the end of the third Night phase." It says nothing about having to choose during a Night phase. If I chose a side right now, that satisfies that requirement. I read my role very carefully before doing what I did.

Long Con wrote: Speaking of "bad logic". Lemme lay out some important facts:

1. Alliance or Reaper, your presence does not help that team win: "You will not be counted among their numbers though for the purposes of deciding the game." You are nothing but a parasite.
2. If you join the Reapers, you're still a possible liability to them, because you don't get to know who they are. And now, because you outed yourself, they won't even be able to signal you with subtlety, because everyone will be watching for that. So you've already thrown that possibility away.
3. The most logical thing for you to do is to ally yourself with the Reapers, and claim to have allied yourself with the Alliance. Then you have protection from Reaper nightkill attempts, and protection from lynch.

1. Parasites don't vote. My existence does not count for the purpose of deciding the game, but my existence will have an effect on what the endgame scenario is. And may I remind the Alliance that they need Cerberus dead just as much as I do. Regardless of which way I go, I do have value to the civilians.

2. You act like I haven't thought any of this through. Your tone here sounds like you are upset that I didn't play it differently. Are you a Reaper, LC?

3. I already have protection from night kill attempts and lynches. See point numero uno.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:several uncolored rainbows

Never thought I'd see that trio of words.

Album title material right there.