The Syndicate

I suspect Jinrou. While getting a lecture from a newcomer on how to play mafia is good fun, what I expect mafia to do is find a suspect they can hold on to, never actually lynch, and have a safe place to land a vote. If Jinrou genuinely suspects me, then I have some questions:

1) How do you expect to get me lynched by yourself? What will you do to convince others to have me gone?

2) If you happen to prove successful in removing me, what will you do then in the aftermath of my civility?

Excellent. Mac trusted LC, and I expected LC to be the one to go down.

Hello.

I'm Epignosis.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:16 pm In hindsight, I feel like I should have known better. There wasn't any big drama at the end of the day in terms of moving votes around. If Long Con had been here and explained a bit more, maybe we would have landed somewhere else. I don't know.

The bit epi brought up about speedy picking up that I hadn't interacted with Soneji were both fair points. One being epi noticed more people than just myself hadn't interacted with Soneji. And two Speedy being diligent and analyzing possible ties to Soneji.

Epi is still fillery. Yeah, he did generate a little content, but I should have not switched my vote so easily.

Spoiler: show
*is annoyed* *doesn't like being wrong*

Take responsibility for your own vote. Don't buy into buyer's remorse.

speedchuck being good doesn't mean you would have been right voting for me

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:16 pm In hindsight, I feel like I should have known better. There wasn't any big drama at the end of the day in terms of moving votes around. If Long Con had been here and explained a bit more, maybe we would have landed somewhere else. I don't know.

The bit epi brought up about speedy picking up that I hadn't interacted with Soneji were both fair points. One being epi noticed more people than just myself hadn't interacted with Soneji. And two Speedy being diligent and analyzing possible ties to Soneji.

Epi is still fillery. Yeah, he did generate a little content, but I should have not switched my vote so easily.

Spoiler: show
*is annoyed* *doesn't like being wrong*

Then you won't like lynching me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:55 pm Guys don't vote speed chuck, I am quite sure he is civ.

Thanks for the memo.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:44 pm There is no effort whatsoever in Owner's accusation of me to discern whether or not I'm a civilian. It's a fill-in-the-blank suspicion that invites others to answer without Owner ever stating a grievance. It's empty. It's evil.
And going through your iso your biggest effort was judging Indiglo based upon their relationship with people outside of the thread

And well this little mess where you use a bunch of empty statements to describe owner's vote on you as directly malevolent without asking for a reason first.

In here all I see is saying words that have big meanings, but with no substance behind them. Could you describe why scum!owner would do that? What is the motivation behind?

I have to ask for a reason someone votes for me? The words I'm using have big meanings?

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:45 pm The Epi iso is filled with so much fluff it's a wonder he's even here

He used a lot of nai activites as excuse, but he did in fact post a lot and when he did it, it was 90% of the time worthless

So the argument that it's exam time falls flat when you find time to shitpost in thread

It's not an argument, and it doesn't fall flat.

It's, "I'm tired as hell, having a drink, and chatting with people in the few moments I have in order to have a good time before I have to fuck off and do it all over again."

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:24 pm Ok since I am just gonna echo some stuff

I think Owner is town and it's pretty natural that they are being awkwardly scummy. I haven't played with them (or maybe once), but I remember Owner had a pretty high lynch rate as town as well. Mix that in with Owner's own posting style (which can be seen as awkwardly wolfy as well)

Now the actual wolf

Could Epignosis fwiw

Could not Epignosis gtfo

Grabbing a snapshot of the poll for posterity:

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speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 11:59 am I suspect Owner for things I've previously stated. A good place for a vote.

Day 2:

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:25 pm
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 2:09 pm @speedchuck you have played a lot with Owner? If yes, have you seen anything hinky out of her so far?
Owner is usually a big question mark for me, and she still is. Her hunting style is weird. She suspects people for the gifs they use, their avatar changes, and the jokes they make.

It always comes off as nonsense to people that haven't played with her, and often develops into a scumread.

That said, I don't know the difference between town and scum Owner, so I'm not defending her with this either. Just giving context.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:05 pm birdwithteeth11 - Who?
colonialcob - I think his push on me is genuine
Epignosis - town
Dyslexicon - I've been burned before, but town
indiglo - town
Kylemii - :3?
Long Con - town?
MacDougall - Push on Sloonei irked me something weird earlier. Calling it a 'policy lynch'. Felt really strong for what it was, in an off sort of way.
Neverwhere - Who?
Owner of a Lonely Heart - haven't seen anything alignment indicative
Rej - I feel like I should have a read here but don't
Sloonei - unsure if his approach to me is opportunistic or if I just look as bad as usual. Also replacement.
speedchuck - Just happy to be here

Kylemii
Neverwhere
BWT
Rej
Sloonei
Owner
Macdougall

This is my POE. I need it to be one smaller.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:20 pm Ooh I suspect Owner now.

She didn't mention Soneji at any point during her 17 posts before the lynch ended.

She DID quote, indirectly reference, and/or mention:
BWT
Epi
cbob
speedchuck
Rej
Dizzy
Neverwhere
Spacedaisy
Kylemii
Long Con

Now granted, few of these posts were focused on lynch leaders or on who has votes, but I feel like there's something conspicuous about this here.

You know who also didn't mention Soneji before the lynch ended? Here's a list:

birdwithteeth11
Epignosis
Long Con
MacDougall
Neverwhere

So in summary, the things you previously stated regarding Owner consist of two posts in which you confess to not having a strong opinion on Owner and one post in which you picked Owner out of a hat for not mentioning or interacting with a guy who had a grand total of four posts.

I will defer to your judgment on this and likely move my vote elsewhere this afternoon.

Alas, you think wrongly.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 10:12 am
Or you could be scum, Epi's comment about the birds could be a friendly scum on scum interaction.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri May 31, 2019 10:36 pm birdwithteeth has a vote.

Because he's a bird and I like birds.
Again, there is much to be desired.

It could be. I could also be an invisible dragon.

Again, you're not taking stances. You're naming possibilities.

"Much to be desired" indeed.

Sorry. I realize that isn't helpful. I'm just tired after a long week.

I still suspect Owner despite our friendly conversation.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:30 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:26 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:22 pm Are you listening to "One Coin?"
What else would I be listening? You have other songs that are this long?
Yes. Three, actually.
But there's organ, guitar + x other instruments/kits/pads and a mix slow and faster parts. I like it.

Progressive Rock.

One isn't on bandcamp because it's on my first album that I'm remixing and remastering.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:26 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:22 pm Are you listening to "One Coin?"
What else would I be listening? You have other songs that are this long?

Yes. Three, actually.

Are you listening to "One Coin?"

Jesus didn't make beer because grain was more valuable for food in those days and wine was the culturally accepted celebratory beverage at weddings (such that to run out of wine at a wedding would have been shameful and an insult to the guests).

If there's any question about my intentions, go to my link, click on Refulgence (the red album with the mirror and car in it) and go to the last song, "Fade."

Logic wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:24 pm It's a good thing I don't partake of alcoholic beverages
You and I can be friends.
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:32 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:24 pm It's a good thing I don't partake of alcoholic beverages
I'll have yours.
I'd say you could have mine, but I don't want to give you alcohol poisoning.

I suggest the new Teetotal Mafia in signups now.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:03 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:01 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:45 pm I'm not accusing you of being different from one game to the next. That's what you're accusing me of. I'm telling you why. I'm not around. I'm NOT here.
So the point of this was to tell me why you weren't here?

Owner2: I think that's what he's saying.
Owner3: Idk
Owner4: I think he's playing with me again. He's filling his posts with that filler "emphasis".
Owner5: What have I unleashed?
I'll try to speak your language.

Owner69: Epi is being different than Scrimmage.
Epignosisftw: Epi is unavailable for most of the day, everyday, for the next week and a half. Oh, and he loves Jesus and beer.
You better not be making a joke about Jesus there. I'm very religious.

I wasn't being ironic about beer. Why would I be ironic about Jesus in the same sentence?

Have some music.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:54 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:45 pm I'm not accusing you of being different from one game to the next. That's what you're accusing me of. I'm telling you why. I'm not around. I'm NOT here.
So the point of this was to tell me why you weren't here?

Owner2: I think that's what he's saying.
Owner3: Idk
Owner4: I think he's playing with me again. He's filling his posts with that filler "emphasis".
Owner5: What have I unleashed?

I'll try to speak your language.

Owner69: Epi is being different than Scrimmage.
Epignosisftw: Epi is unavailable for most of the day, everyday, for the next week and a half. Oh, and he loves Jesus and beer.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:16 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:19 pm ok guys i am at home from work now

you are sharing my attention with the new path of exile league and i guess a lot of beer and vodka i got for this launch
You're mafia.
hmm

Owner1: How does Epig fit in with this statement made to Jinrou. Is it as distance? Or is it NAI behavior from Jinrou?
Owner2: I'm gonna take some advice from Denrek (Mafia game 4 championship). He was telling Askthepizzaguy to follow his reads even if they are potentially convincing you that you may be wrong. Still push said reads until you are sure you are actually wrong.
Owner3: Maybe they are both scum? idk
Owner4: Both to be scum, seems unlikely given on how ready epi is eager to tell him that he's mafia.
Owner3: Or maybe Epig is making a joke? idk (i'm not very great at finding jokes in text...hmm)

I don't get this.

Do you have an opinion, or are you going to name every possibility?

I'm not accusing you of being different from one game to the next. That's what you're accusing me of. I'm telling you why. I'm not around. I'm NOT here.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:24 pm It's a good thing I don't partake of alcoholic beverages

I'll have yours.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:14 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:07 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:05 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:44 pm There is no effort whatsoever in Owner's accusation of me to discern whether or not I'm a civilian. It's a fill-in-the-blank suspicion that invites others to answer without Owner ever stating a grievance. It's empty. It's evil.
This whole post is reiterating itself. You could have said this in one sentence. Instead, you are saying the same thing over and over as if it was suppose to be something new and different.
It's called emphasis. It's a "rhetorical device."

You're acting like the repetition is supposed to mean anything with respect to my alignment, but once again, you're not making that call. You're leaving it open for someone else to do.
I call it filler. But sure take your filler emphasis. It's not like I hold the keys to what everyone thinks of each other. I guess I just have higher standards of what I think your town play looks like. I could be wrong here. But from my stand point in what I saw of your play in the Scrimmage game, you look hella scummy this game.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 2:27 pm I don't care how I look.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 5:19 pm ok guys i am at home from work now

you are sharing my attention with the new path of exile league and i guess a lot of beer and vodka i got for this launch

You're mafia.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 10:05 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:44 pm There is no effort whatsoever in Owner's accusation of me to discern whether or not I'm a civilian. It's a fill-in-the-blank suspicion that invites others to answer without Owner ever stating a grievance. It's empty. It's evil.
This whole post is reiterating itself. You could have said this in one sentence. Instead, you are saying the same thing over and over as if it was suppose to be something new and different.

It's called emphasis. It's a "rhetorical device."

You're acting like the repetition is supposed to mean anything with respect to my alignment, but once again, you're not making that call. You're leaving it open for someone else to do.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:57 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 9:39 pm
Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:38 am In the Scrimmage game with Epi, he was following his town circle. He had opinions.

Here, he's drinking. (not quite coffee)

He leaves an impression in my mind that there is something to be desired.

tl;dr

He feels different.

[VOTE: Epig] aubergine
You're voting for me because I'm drinking?

The something to be desired is another scotch.

I'm voting for you because you feel different from the Scrimmage game, where you were town. The something to be desired is more along the lines the content amount you were bringing to the table that game versus your drinking habits and such this game.

I guess in my mind there was less drinking involved and more town circle-ness.

Owner1: But it was only one game?
Owner2: But he feels different.
Owner1: Is one game enough?
Owner3: Idk my bff jill
Owner2: In the Scrimmage game, he was forming a town circle and trusting in other people's reads. In this game, I give you exhibit A:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:29 pm True story:

The last time Soneji and I were on a team together, I was away and unable to participate, and Sonji got lynched Day 1.

I was away and unable to participate tonight.
^^^

Dude, you are telling us a story, and giving us WIFOM.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:29 pm We're not bad together though.
Posted right after that posts, he clarifies with this one. ^^

Owner2: *side glares at Epig* Me: I'm like what is the point in saying these 2 things. Is this a guilty apology to Soneji for not being there? StillMe: I'm like...
Owner3: I don't know

Also another filler statement:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2019 9:26 pm My super power truly is doing shit and then not doing shit when it's time to vote.

Owner4: (sarcasm) We could sure use more posts like these. ^^

I don't know what to tell you. You're voting me because I'm being different? Are you aware that this is exam week, and I'm on my feet all day administering stressful, high-stakes state-mandated exams that you can lose your license for if you fuck up, and that students taking the exams aren't the best at following directions? And that Internet usage isn't permitted during exams?

I signed up as a replacement to be a warm body. If you're comparing this performance to one game I played with you that I don't even recall, then you need a new magnifying glass, Sherlock.

There is no effort whatsoever in Owner's accusation of me to discern whether or not I'm a civilian. It's a fill-in-the-blank suspicion that invites others to answer without Owner ever stating a grievance. It's empty. It's evil.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 11:38 am In the Scrimmage game with Epi, he was following his town circle. He had opinions.

Here, he's drinking. (not quite coffee)

He leaves an impression in my mind that there is something to be desired.

tl;dr

He feels different.

[VOTE: Epig] aubergine

You're voting for me because I'm drinking?

The something to be desired is another scotch.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 07, 2019 8:31 pm Indiglo and Owner

I'd lynch Owner.

I don't have any understanding as to why Owner's vote is on me.

I don't care how I look.

Leetic we hardly knew ye.

Speedchuck is my #1 civilian.

leetic wrote: ↑Thu Jun 06, 2019 12:03 am
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 7:38 pm I'm not going to be around for deadline.

I do not endorse a Sloonei lynch.

Do what you want.
I do not think this post looks very good. Throughout the phase, speedchuck didn't really ever fight the Sloonei wagon and even posted some things that contributed to the thread atmosphere that lead to Sloonei being lynched (such as the post about replacements). Yet at the last moment, feels the need to distance himself from an impending mislynch.

I disagree with that interpretation. I didn't endorse a Sloonei lynch myself, but I could have voted speedchuck to prevent that. I didn't approve of a speedchuck lynch either.

speedchuck didn't vote Sloonei to save his own ass. Come on now.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:43 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:37 pm Yeah, shit lynch.

Don't complain that nobody is trying, and then lynch the guy who comes in and tries.
If you think that guy is mafia, yes I will.

What was your reason for thinking that? I asked. You didn't respond.

Also:

"Gar, Epignosis is being opportunistic voting Spacedaisy!"

Sloonei has replaced Spacedaisy.

"Let's lynch Sloonei!"

Yeah, shit lynch.

Don't complain that nobody is trying, and then lynch the guy who comes in and tries.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:25 pm I guess I’ll switch to speedchuck for preservation.
I didn't do it to you.

What happened to the golden rule, hm?

Do unto others before they do unto you.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:13 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:08 pm Epi: what is the problem you have with those posts? Why are you concerned about it?
Because they don't make sense in conjunction.
That's a limited way of viewing them.

I'm limited in my time to process what I see.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 9:08 pm Epi: what is the problem you have with those posts? Why are you concerned about it?

Because they don't make sense in conjunction.

I'm not moving my vote. I wasn't here to influence to lynch decision, and I don't feel it's my place to do so here. I'm not wild about either person with four votes.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 8:46 pm I'm not convinced by Sloonei. I'm just not.

What would he have had to do to have convinced you?

I don't approve of the Sloonei lynch.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:34 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 6:32 pmWhy epi?
Because nothing he has done has convinced me that he's town. And I have had games where I've been more convinced that he is town, and then he was. Admittedly, I don't read him that well I think.

This is exam time. I will be administering exams all day everyday and the schedule is atrocious. No Internet access at work during that time. I won't be posting much. I'm here because Jack needed me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 3:43 pm
Epignosis - I don't suspect Epi

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 12:10 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 03, 2019 11:30 pm Swinging to Kylemii on the basis of the lynched one's vote for him.
This is a bit better. A little wishy-washy on Epi's part, possibly opportunistic.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 2:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 amIt's also possibly angle-shooting?
If so, I've seen that angle-shooting in other games too. It's quite impossible to not take into account when it's known information.

It isn't information. It's speculation.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Jun 05, 2019 10:32 am I've seen the whole 'mafia get replaced first' thing on other sites, but not that often here.

Mafia DO request replacement more often than town, though, for whatever reason. Weirdos.

Given that, I think it's more important to look at the reason for replacement. Epi popped in practically before the game started. This is probably an indicator that whoever it was that signed up just didn't show up, or bowed out quickly for RL reasons. (My opinion.) That's null.

Sloonei replaced Daisy, who is busy, sure, but around more. That's more suspicious.

It's also possibly angle-shooting?

The person I replaced has no Internet.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:22 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:16 pm Sloonei is a replacement. He should be policy lynched. Replacements are scum more often than they aren't and he hasn't done any town Sloon things anyway. No better lynch here imo.

I hate to say such a thing, but that thought crossed my mind as well. I feel like hosts generally replace mafias before they replace towns. I mean, we've got BWT and Neverwhere as pretty much total no-shows too... and yet only Daisy got replaced. Imagine you're a host, and you have 3 no-shows and 1 replacement. Town can absorb no-shows better than a mafia team... so you go with mafia no-show first. (At least that's what I think if I put on my Host Hat.)

Also leads me to be less likely to look at BWT and Neverwhere, at least for now.

(Also found nothing helpful on my Long Con ISO.)

I replace on a first-come, first-serve basis. To do otherwise is host interference.

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