The Syndicate

I like Pawn. I have no intention of voting there.

sprityo, if you are free, let's have that conversation you wanted to have. I am sorry I was unavailable this morning. I was too busy losing $100.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:59 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:57 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 pm sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont
How does Mafia work where you come from? Do people just give themselves away that easily?

Do people just believe you when you say you're a civilian?
ive already made posts explaining why im normally more clear on day 3s as town than i am in this game

ive made posts explaining why im not able to do the things that normally clear me as much this game

its insane for you to act like i should be somehow able to clear myself as town unequivocally under these conditions

and even if i do, i feel like none of hte people sussing me are going to believe me because it feels like they view everything i do in as unfavorable a light as possible every single time

I am not asking you to clear yourself. That isn't your job. That's my job.

Your job is to accuse and find people who need to be eliminated.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 pm sorry my tongue is not as silver as the Elite Company you keep who apparently can regularly convince town that theyre wolves

this is the literal implication i am battling unless you admit you just perspective slipped and just painted yourself as scum which you wont

How does Mafia work where you come from? Do people just give themselves away that easily?

Do people just believe you when you say you're a civilian?

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:40 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:32 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:29 pmman I overate
What'd you have good to eat?
Panda Express xd

Oh.

If these procedures aren't lynches, I'm going to throw my hat in with those displeased by the setup. Given that nova and Nanook are departed, I'm going to assume a lynch / kill in that very order.

In the spirit of playing the hand I am dealt, I want to go through all people one more time and reassess my thoughts. After grades get put in on time.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:29 pmman I overate

What'd you have good to eat?

Damn, I felt silly even writing that in jest.

iaafr, I'm townreading myself. If you can't understand why I'm good, go and read my posts and Dom's posts.

Also, I still hate the Knicks.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:16 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:11 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:06 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:05 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:02 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm ... I think it would be astonishing if a player like Grapefruit had a scumgame like mine. That's what I think, on careful review. Epi is town. And if he's not, he deserves to win.
where did grapefruit come from wtf
epi feels analytical like grapefruit21 or pawn IMO

but if he's scum he's faking a ton of emotions

these two things don't seem to jibe
which of his emotions are town-perspective and cant be genuine scum perspective emotions and/or genuine emotions sublimated into ones that pretend to be town
No, that's not the point

the point is that I think he's naturally an observer-type or analyst-type player, and therefore it's hard for him to fake emotion and he'll prefer not to do it

then there's like four pages of very heated emotions today

I don't think the emotions themselves are unfakable, if that was Hyena doing that I would lynch it instantly

but I feel like Epi specifically would have a difficult time doing that

Jackofhearts2005 you're a syndi, am I right about Epi's character here or am I blowing smoke?
Epi’s emotions don’t seem to change with alignment. I’m not the best at catching scum Epi. I do on occasion recognize town Epi and this feels like town Epi.

In particular, he cares a lot about this game and while town Epi doesn’t always fit that bill, the shits he gives feel productive and real if that makes sense.

My enthusiasm almost always hinges upon my availability and not my alignment.

I still have work to do tonight, but I am free for a few conscientious hours.

*amusement

I am to engage in some offline amuse for an hour or perhaps two. I also have to finalize my grades this evening for the first quarter. I will be available again then.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:44 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:41 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm
dom is an asshole and I feel like the syndicate are missing his lack of real work because they're just used to his abrasive nature and don't want to interact with it too much
Wild.
If you think I'm missing something quote me it

I read Sprityo's summaries and yeah he has some stuff, but it's poor IMO

defend your views, don't just shade vaguely

I think you assume everything I say is an opinion about someone's alignment. It isn't.

And as for defending a view, that seems to be overrated wherever The Others come from. I've defended several views and have been shit on. That's fine. I'm not getting worked up over it. In the end either I win or I don't. It's a game on the Internet. Doesn't pay my bills, thank God.

Or twenty-one grapefruits.

And apparently I am twelve grapefruits.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:01 pm
dom is an asshole and I feel like the syndicate are missing his lack of real work because they're just used to his abrasive nature and don't want to interact with it too much

Wild.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:56 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:53 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:44 pm i think epis push on me today feels outing but i dont have meta on him

i feel radishes process is still town and he's just not redpilled on all of the syndicate being scum like me
I don't know what this means.
i think your push on me is strongly scum indicative and i dont find your stubbornness on this manner town and even if you are town you're very visibly anti-town in direction to me so far and bringing up my d1 vote over and over again isn't what i want to see out of players i'd want to take with me into later phases

so you can die and you will always be in my bottom 3 today, probably

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:44 pm i think epis push on me today feels outing but i dont have meta on him

i feel radishes process is still town and he's just not redpilled on all of the syndicate being scum like me

I don't know what this means.

My own personal frustration is that those whom I would happily and gleefully go after right now are depriving us of their company.

And I'm not going to say anything more about that. I'm just making it plain where I stand.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:41 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:38 pm i keep wavering but ultimately i wanna believe he's town who has a very similar view of the game to me and he's kinda playing his cards close to his chest in a towny way

honestly anybody with all syndicate in bottom 3 is fine with me at this point
i mean i dont want to sound antagonistic towards the syndicate as a site or anything but

literally everybody seeming to entertain voting me is syndicate and i still dont find any of their pushes good or perspective that believable

some of them have good posts at good moments but what am i supposed to do etc i still want to kill people scumreading me over people townreading me and its legitimately weird af that all of them keep pressuring me

To be clear, last night I invited you to participate:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:10 pm I have a rabbit in my sights. Maybe I should. Maybe I shouldn't.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:21 pm
iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:13 pm i still think pushes on me are lazy and if you really try to get in my head my thoughts are clearly real

the fact that i like to post noise doesnt change that ive actually been trying really hard this game idk

irritation with the game kinda spiraled out of control last phase but not in a scum indicative way?

i think doms and colins pushes on me are the worst and they are also the least transparent players with their reads on the rest of the game
Here was my summary of you:

There are a few positives up in here for iaafr. Despite the strong claim that Dragomir was a civilian, iaafr peeled himself away from that, commenting on Dragomir’s exchange with Evenstar. I’d like to think iaafr keeping the light on Dragomir was instrumental in getting him lynched. I also don’t mind that iaafr didn’t let the thread stagnate as the deadline loomed (not that it needed his help to avoid stagnation, but it’s nice to see).

However, there are certainly some things he’s going to have to answer for. The lynch poll is the primary means by which civilians win. No one had any justifiable reason to abstain from the vote but boo. That stinks. I also invite others to look at iaafr’s apparent change in attitude regarding Dragomir, going from civilian to bad and ultimately not voting him at a critical juncture (two minutes until the end of the poll).
That latter issue is a big one for me. Civilians who don't vote are useless civilians. They fail to lynch mafia and fail to give other civilians a means of understanding them. That's a double whammy. That's why, in this particular scenario, you make my list.

You next post was this:

iaafr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 11:21 pm i mean this game still feels so troll man

thats the last of the whining ill do this phase i promise but man this is a troll ass game right now

I tried to get you to embrace this thing as a different experience, and things spiraled from there.

No, I will not call you a civilian because you are "spewing town."

I believe your refusal to vote Dragomir when it mattered makes you a suspect. I will not relent on that point until either I have evidence that points otherwise or you are dead.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:33 pm I do think my Rabbit read should be a little less secure given that he hasn't actually got a good reason to be not voting D1 even if he is the doublevoter, but IMO Epi's argument here boils down to "If they're mechanically confirmed town that just makes them look worse", which is absolutely garbage.

And if you're admitting that my reasoning for questioning iaafr last night was ultimately fair, why not engage iaafr yourself?

Perhaps you will have better results than I got.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 6:33 pm Pawn Lelouch I'd like to hear your latest thoughts on Iaafr

Epi's put forwards the argument that rabbit potentially being the doublevoter actually makes them look worse, not better

Should I be scumreading Epi or Rabbit more for this? 'cause right now I'm reading that as reflecting quite badly on Epi

I do think my Rabbit read should be a little less secure given that he hasn't actually got a good reason to be not voting D1 even if he is the doublevoter, but IMO Epi's argument here boils down to "If they're mechanically confirmed town that just makes them look worse", which is absolutely garbage.

That isn't at all what I said. I was lamenting the wastefulness of the role, if indeed it was true.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:38 pm talking about me in any capacity as a potential vote for this day is a scumclaim at this point

if you can't see why as town you need to reread my posts and Eva's posts

You're the only one talking about you.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:21 pm I wonder how the other levels are doing.

Are we the chattiest? The angriest? The confusedist?

Definitely the sexiest?

Given the boo lynch, I'd say horrible.

Dom, would you summarize what you are seeing with Master Radishes when next you get the chance?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:07 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:04 pm
And it's interesting given that Epi hasn't voiced suspicion of me.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:03 am At this phase, I'm keen on voting out unpleasant people.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am Creature isn’t here tho.

Boom! Roasted.
I was thinking Dom, who is.
You either didn't read the thread or are gaslighting. Either way this is not a good look.

This wasn't serious. In the Second Age, Dom and I used to clash quite often. It was a friendly dig.

My next post was:

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:07 am It's clear iaafr isn't keen on helping civilians, along with Jack or Colin. I think one of them should be voted.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:02 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:00 pm
Spoiler: show
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:58 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:51 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:49 pm
Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:14 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 2:53 am

ooooh spicy

tell me about Dom
or you could tell the class about Dom...
Why do the work when Epi can do it for me? :eyeroll:

What should i look for dom, besides you commenting on Rabbit's spam post (albeit yes i agree it's a bit heinous)

I'm waiting for you to put something out there that isnt a response to something else. In fact I'll go double check your ISO right now to see if you have any, I just can't recall it right now
I'm not around a lot. Doing my best.

But I don't like that you tried to get Epi to do your dirty work and didn't say anything about it until you were called out on it one bit.
As a lazy person at heart, I do the minimum unless I NEED to do more
Or you want Epi to lynch me for you.
Why?
Actually not the case, I still see you as town, epi does not. I want to know why he has a different opinion than I do

Eh?

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:49 pm
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:48 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:44 pm oh for crying out loud

okay, I'm putting a stop to this

Rabbit's hold-off on voting makes him extremely likely the doublevoter, which makes him mech town

now everybody shut up and investigate other people
Was rather hoping to not mention that possibility. Figured we could keep him alive pretty easily without mentioning the possibility that could give us an edge during the day phase.
same but now like four people are scumreading him

best to nip this in the bud before he becomes a massive distraction

If that's true, then it makes his abstention from the vote even less encouraging.

Dom wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:33 pm
what about radishes?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 7:35 pm Master Radishes: My fellow academic was not afraid to get saucy with me early on Day 2. After engaging me and having at least a little bit of discussion I feel like I understand his mindset better and I think he understands mine. I felt like it was a productive Day 2 on that front with regard to my view on the Root Maestro. Civilian lock? Hardly. Civilian lock given the circumstances?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:51 am Jack, Epi, sprit: what do you think of Dom’s play so far? I have been waffling and never played him enough to get a good handle anyway.

I have no issue with Dom presently. I just realized I evidently missed Dom in the book I compiled. I don't know how that happened.

Nobody else seemed to notice either.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:27 am I actually dreamt that I was playing mafia tonight

clearly this game is getting into my brain

so having double checked the thread, I see I have not, in fact, posted that tomorrow is very very likely special somehow

because
30/16/9/5 players

with approximately
8/4/2/1 scum

not to mention there were three dream layers and then Limbo in the movie, and the fact that the new OP says "We're getting closer. Maybe an idea can be planted here?"

And returning to my earlier point: given that tomorrow is very likely a Final Five situation, we need to solve Epignosis now. I don't want anyone tinfoiling on them if they end up in the final(?) dream level.

You "solved me" Day 1.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:53 am Epignosis

also, if you have the list of potential roles saved from the D1 OP I'd appreciate you posting it 'cause I'm not sure if I have it in my notes

Everything I have from Day 1 I posted in the thread Day 2. I'm sorry.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:51 am And while I'm here at 4AM I would like to answer Epi's question:

Because that godfather play is exactly the kind of thing I would do as scum. It's a reasonable mistake ("godfathers are super powerful"in a game which makes them...
not), but it has far-reaching implications for gamestate because it lets you argue a different set of scum motivations. Assuming you're scum - and your push on Iaafr is really not winning you points in that category - you're using that to distort the gamestate and push faulty lynches.

In short, it smells like agenda and it's the kind of scumplay I would expect from someone of your apparent skill.

Pawn Lelouch The iaafr push is bad. Like, really bad. Assume rabbit's town. Why might he have strong reason to not vote?

Expect whatever you like.

I already said that it was my estimation that the mafia team was not playing optimally, which should point to me not being on the mafia team.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:03 am btw i thought about the mech of inception

the mafia in this layer have to had lost communication with the mafia in upper layers when they got removed

idk how that information is useful but i feel a sense of accomplishment for thinking of it

I suggested that much Day 2.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 10:08 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 8:54 am Just so everyone knows, "mentioning" me with the @ symbol three times in the middle of the night when I'm sleeping will have little hope of capturing my attention. I read everything in order anyway, so there's no point in it at all.
If you read it all, why does this post not contain an answer to my second question?

Sorry if I disturbed your sleep with pleasant little alert dings though, that's never fun

I have not read your question. I only saw three people mentioned me in the middle of the night and wanted to point out the futility of it (saves people an extra step when writing their posts!). I'll be reading this afternoon after my football research is complete.

And no apology necessary, for I am old and know not what an alert ding is.

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 9:52 am Hey epi, you want to do some spitballing since we're both here?

I am not here until after 1pm EST. I have football to prep for this morning.

Just so everyone knows, "mentioning" me with the @ symbol three times in the middle of the night when I'm sleeping will have little hope of capturing my attention. I read everything in order anyway, so there's no point in it at all.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:11 am Alright, @Epignosis and @iaafr can you both leave the thread for 30 minutes to an hour? So both of you can cool off and stop sniping and we can try to make the thread productive again once you return.

I'm perfectly cool. I am, however, quite tired, as I alluded to above.

I'm off. I'll be free tomorrow.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:08 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:59 am
Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:58 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:57 am Pawn, you seem to have an affinity for iaafr. Can you elaborate?
An affinity in terms of having a read that I believe is correct or personality + style?
You seem to like what he's doing. Any outside commentary from someone I even remotely trust would be coveted.
For the most part since early D1 I've honestly found him to be largely acting in a town manner and I generally like the direction that he has pushed in terms of reads. And yes, he did the unvote rather than vote but that doesn't change that he's been fairly solid everywhere else this game.

Especially when you consider the fact that the fact that he removed the 112 vote still helped with Drago and is something that he had to have known would be scummy looking as either alignment due to timing. And full disclosure that is the type of play I have done before, and while it's risky it is something that can work in terms of trying to guarantee a life extension. So I can see the thought process and the weird half measure doesn't feel like scum in that instance, since he would have committed to a hard stance and not ended it on the no lynch.

And while I think iaafr is overreacting in terms of annoyance from your questions I can see how his frustration comes from the setup and is being exacerbated, where the way he is reacting isn't necessarily productive, but feels like town iaafr from what I've observed in other games and spec.

I respect your opinion. Thank you.

iaafr wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:08 am the only civ here is pawn and hes already on my side and if he wanted help id give it but he hasnt asked

So you aren't a civilian? Neat.

I don't know why that posted twice.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:07 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:07 am It's clear iaafr isn't keen on helping civilians, along with Jack or Colin. I think one of them should be voted.
I’m super helpful.

No you aren't. You're a menace to society which is why you're in my life.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:07 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:07 am It's clear iaafr isn't keen on helping civilians, along with Jack or Colin. I think one of them should be voted.
I’m super helpful.

No you aren't. You're a menace to society which is why you're in my life.

It's clear iaafr isn't keen on helping civilians, along with Jack or Colin. I think one of them should be voted.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:04 am Creature isn’t here tho.

Boom! Roasted.

I was thinking Dom, who is.

At this phase, I'm keen on voting out unpleasant people.

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