The Syndicate

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:46 am How about we lynch Epi just for fun?
How sure is everyone that he is town?

Your idea of fun sucks. Two claws down.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 10:26 am So question is - Are cop claims clearing or not? Sloonmeister was VT, he said. Indiglo was cop with only town results (maybe apart from miller lol). I'm the same as indiglo. Bob and Logic also claims to be the same. Kyle claims a different kind of cop. Nobody else claimed cop. Wait, LC maybe claimed cop?

They are not, in my view.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:39 am
"Both of them" meaning Kyle and Jinrou. That last statement is unclear.

I see you spoke ambiguously. Never mind then.

Logic wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 9:38 am So, I'm not completely sold on Kyle being a civilian.

I'm currently leaning that way, depending on how Jinrou flips (which I think will be mafia) and that may push Kyle into higher town confidence. Not sure who Jinrou's partners are at that point. I know it's not me, and colonialbob seems unlikely, leaving Owner, LongCon, Dizzy, Epi, and Kyle.

But if Jinrou flips green, I'm thinking the Epi and Kyle have some partner equity.

One thing that concerns me about both of them is the lack of self preservation votes from both of them onto each other.

This post has me reconsidering you for two reasons.

First, the underlined: What lack of self-preservation votes from both of us onto each other? Look at the poll. I have zero votes. Kylemii has one. I gather the poll might have been different this morning when I wasn't around, but I read up to this point, and I don't see much vote movement. I don't understand the mindset behind this comment. I don't win the game by preserving myself- I win by lynching mafia. If Kylemii is good, the same applies to him. If we're both bad together, we harm our chances by lynching each other.

Second, the red and more important: This is a mafia tactic. If Jinrou is a civilian (and you would know if he was if you were not one), then you've given yourself a clear avenue to lynch me or Kylemii next and planted seeds for others to follow. That's the ticket to two unfortunate lynches in a row (assuming Kylemii is a civilian). No bueno.

I see I have a thing or two to process.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:32 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:55 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.
I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)
I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.
Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.
Those are both believable things that Clawhauser (a character from the movie) would do. I'm not sure whether it bothers me that the third was "no results" - either he ran out of stuff to make up, the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff, or something different actually happened.

I don't care about characters. I don't know any characters.

It isn't "either he ran out of stuff to make up" or "the hosts ran out of creative ways to say stuff."

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

If Kylemii isn't telling the truth, then he got lucky as hell making up try number three, didn't he?

Changing my vote back to bob.

That said, I don't want to railroad Jinrou before hearing from him in light of all the new business.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:05 am
indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.
Of course he could. Scum can be blocked you know.

Anyway.

What's the case on Jinrou?
Also Owner is not a cop?

Jinrou wanted my head and gave up. I don't believe there was any conviction there, but maybe I'm misunderstanding someone who called me big gae or something I don't get because I'm happy being old. Your mileage may vary.

I don't care if Owner is a cop unless you have a reason I should.

The biggest takeaway for me in this moment is that Kylemii is a civilian and by extension, indiglo is too. I'm happy starting there today.

Spoiler: show

Get your filthy votes off Kylemii.

indiglo wrote: ↑Tue Jun 11, 2019 12:02 am That's a good point. And the third response he got is pretty much identical to the messages I got - 2 words, straight to the point. He couldn't have known about the simple 2 word replies if he hadn't received one.

Excellent.

I believe Kylemii is truthful and thus a civilian.

And given that double-targeting is allowed, it makes sense to me that Kylemii got fucked with twice and then got unlucky a third time.

The first thing I notice is that Kylemii says he got messages "like" this or that.

The third item breaks the trend.

I'm inclined to believe that.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 3:01 pm
colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:56 pm
Kylemii wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 2:51 pm I'm not "hitting my stride" because I'm just not that into mafia right now I guess, I've been playing this game whole-ly from my phone. I took a break for a reason.
I know that feeling.

Can you point to anywhere you did something cop-like?

(Hopefully you understand why I'm not taking further cop claims at face value)
I can't. I'm 99% sure a bastard cop. Instead of results I've been getting responses like "you totally meant to do that but instead you got distracted with a phone app" or "you were definitely gonna do that but you got distracted by donuts" last night I didn't get a message like that but was just told "no results" implying something else happened.

Here's the post. I want people to discuss this before hanging him.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:48 pm I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?
He could? He seems rather creative and smart.
Do you think he would? You probably know him better than me.

My issue is not what I know of Kyle(mii), but rather what I don't know of the movie.

I want us to pause and consider Kylemii's messages he claimed he got.

If he did not get them, it meant he made them up.

Do you believe he made them up?

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:37 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:29 pm I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

Ditto. I feel a bit more comfortable voting Jinrou (which feels weird to say after he copped green, but hey, bastards is as bastards do), but this Day Phase is going to be my phase of trust and cooperation. Paranoia hasn't worked yet, so I'm going to try the opposite. It's Bizarro Indi day! So, if everyone else that I trust feels more comfortable voting Kylemii, I'll go there too, no hesitation.

I also mentioned earlier that the kooky night kills make sense coming from a kooky Kylemii. Or, it could be that just as our alignment checks are untrustworthy, perhaps they have something wonky going on with their nightkills.

Another also is that he seemed to have trouble remembering who he copped each night. And trust me, I know exactly who I targeted each night with absolutely no problem, because I've been basing my entire game play on those checks.

As an aside to those who now know they were alignment checked - did anything weird happen to you on the nights you were targeted?

Nothing has happened to me, and apparently I was targeted plenty.

I'm fine with a Kyle lynch or a Jinrou lynch as of right now. I realize there's another day available.

colonialbob wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:12 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?
Kyle. Everybody else has legitimate posting history that indicates they actually believed they were the/a cop.

The exception is if Jack told mafia about the multiple cops thing, I guess. Potentially the case but seems a little like stacking the deck? Idk.

I appreciate this assertion- you're using what you do know instead of lamenting what you don't.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:21 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 10:36 pm If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?
From what I remember of the movie, with the exception of one, the cops are just kinda incompetent.

I wouldn't put any stock in what happened with the movie in a setup in which claiming is legal.

If one or more of the cops is bad, who and why?

I'm going to give a hard look at those who, on the most recent pages, came out and acting like being a "cop" absolved them of guilt and gave them some kind of license to promote a "here's who we lynch next to win" list.

That's garbage.

I have to apologize for being unavailable. That school is running me into the ground. I was on my feet all day, got no bathroom break and no lunch for eight hours, all because of exams. Plus they had me in the wrong room (ahem, wrong building

).

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:35 pm [VOTE: Jinrou] aubergine

I'm going to go ahead and switch over to Jinrou. He was a definite suspect of mine, and now it seems clear that we can't trust alignment checks, so I'm going to stay here unless and until there is compelling reason to move.

I moved there earlier. I think he fell prey (heh) to the Epi doesn't play like you think I ought to trick. If he had any conviction about me whatsoever, he'd be in here voting for me.

indiglo wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 6:17 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 4:56 pm So is Owner and Jinrou the only non-cops?
Haven't heard from Epi yet either.

I'm not claiming.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:19 am I'm willing to place my vote one someone that hasn't been cop cleared, but I think cop clears are probably bunk.

I am not putting any stock in claims from cops, especially with this: "Setup is hidden and may include bastard elements."

If there are this many cops involved, and they were all legitimate, the mafia would have no chance.

Logic wrote: ↑Mon Jun 10, 2019 8:14 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:24 pm My problem with people like Logic and Jinrou is that I have no standard by which to judge them.

Jinrou marching in here acting like "Golly, Mafia is just about finding the guys doing anti-town things is where it's at!" has me scratching me head. Jinrou, if it's that easy, do you ever lose as a civilian?

Logic wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 9:14 pm Logic's most recent games:
Spoiler: show

Town
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ampionship

Town sub-in for a zero-poster (anonymous game; I'm Jim Halpert here)
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ing-3-0%29

Town Sub-in
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ewolf-Game

Scum
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... fia-Game-B

Scum sub-in
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... fia-Game-A

I did provide links to 5 games of mine, FYI.

I'm not reading people's past games for this. I have enough reading to do everyday as it is.

I don't quite remember.

Actually, my gaes are soft and my claims are big.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sat Jun 08, 2019 8:07 pm also softclaiming is the big gae and believing a soft claim is even worse

I'm the big gae with the soft claim and the believing the soft claim.

My claims are soft.

My gaes are big.

Bob, what say you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 11:16 pm All civilian dead report to dead chat immediately for venting

And all living civilians report to me.

Cbob, you have two votes. What say you?

I don't object. What's your view?

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:51 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:48 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:31 pm well i am on a 4 game winstreak on my homesite epi

maybe stop trying to find the forest when the trees are right in front of you.

With that said what do you think should make me read you as town?
Just saw this question.

I'm an upstanding citizen. I pay my taxes. I vote. I make love to my wife.
no jury duty then, how can I trust you?

What in the world could I possibly say that would make you trust me?

And that's why I don't trust the intent behind this question.

In that order.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:31 pm well i am on a 4 game winstreak on my homesite epi

maybe stop trying to find the forest when the trees are right in front of you.

With that said what do you think should make me read you as town?

Just saw this question.

I'm an upstanding citizen. I pay my taxes. I vote. I make love to my wife.

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:46 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:42 pm I suspect you're of a culture where you rely on information from roles to get the job done for you.

You don't get that here.

And if you're not getting that here, how are you going to function?
most of my sites play vanilla games

some do bastards ones where roles are just crazy and info isn’t reliable

the last game i played had 2 vigs, 1 sk, 3 mafia with a cop and 5 doctors tho

not like the roles helped there tho

I'm not sure you answered my question (which was more for you and not for me at all).

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:42 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:38 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:33 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:31 pm well i am on a 4 game winstreak on my homesite epi

maybe stop trying to find the forest when the trees are right in front of you.

With that said what do you think should make me read you as town?
You're not on your home site, are you?
but people are still the same everywhere
Tunnelers?
having played mafia between like 8 forums by now, scummy stuff doesn’t change suddenly. people might hunt differently or not notice it due to community meta, but some plays are very common

Well I guess you just have some work to do on your game, kid, because I'm a civilian.

I suspect you're of a culture where you rely on information from roles to get the job done for you.

You don't get that here.

And if you're not getting that here, how are you going to function?

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:36 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:33 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:31 pm well i am on a 4 game winstreak on my homesite epi

maybe stop trying to find the forest when the trees are right in front of you.

With that said what do you think should make me read you as town?
You're not on your home site, are you?
but people are still the same everywhere

Tunnelers?

Here's my curriculum vitae on my home site, Jinrou:

http://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewto ... 744#p41744

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:31 pm well i am on a 4 game winstreak on my homesite epi

maybe stop trying to find the forest when the trees are right in front of you.

With that said what do you think should make me read you as town?

You're not on your home site, are you?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:30 pm
Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:20 pm I have down LC, Dys, and indiglo as civilians.

Does anyone wish to argue with me on that?
why would you put lc as town after he didnt’t hard claim yesterday?
Because he doesn't play like you, and neither do I.

I realize my answer isn't a good enough answer given our cultural differences.

Let me try again:

Long Con comes from a time when role claiming wasn't allowed, and so do I. I am more comfortable claiming, and he is probably not.

No matter: What does mafia Long Con have to gain jumping to a civilian speedchuck's defense five minutes before his lynch? What's in it for him except to bring scrutiny to him?

Why didn't the mafia kill LC?

Jinrou wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:29 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 09, 2019 10:20 pm I have down LC, Dys, and indiglo as civilians.

Does anyone wish to argue with me on that?
why would you put lc as town after he didnt’t hard claim yesterday?

Because he doesn't play like you, and neither do I.

My vote is on Kylemii for now.

Someone tell me why it shouldn't be.

My problem with people like Logic and Jinrou is that I have no standard by which to judge them.

Jinrou marching in here acting like "Golly, Mafia is just about finding the guys doing anti-town things is where it's at!" has me scratching me head. Jinrou, if it's that easy, do you ever lose as a civilian?

I have down LC, Dys, and indiglo as civilians.

Does anyone wish to argue with me on that?

I don't read into any of that, but I don't fault anyone else for doing so.

Ill need to get my thoughts in order, however.

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