The Syndicate

WILGY WILGY WILGY
amazing job wilgy and michelle at F3

yeet gg town and mafia
Roxy almost had this one, sorry if I came across as disrespectful towards you at any point
and sorry everyone about the freakouts, I was a pretty on the edge

Thanks Syn and Seanzie for hosting
was promised cool bugs and it delivered
very neat arthropod fellas

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 12, 2023 3:42 pm ExLight congrats for subbing in and finding the solve!
I hope we'll play again!

always on ZD and Bulba if you wanna pay a visit there
still a bit puzzled as to where we played together because I'm like 99% sure we did

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Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 12:49 pm So like, please just take a break mate.

I can talk with you about things later but I haven't deliberately been ignoring you other than to not case you and give you space.

later when? i come back from a 4h break to see you both dogpiling on me when I'm not around

im not gonna be around eod and only 4h left
there's no when, you should have an iso on me already

i am TIRED of trying to talk about things and being ignored as if I weren't a player here. if youre just gonna ignore what my slot has to say then what even is the point of me putting effort? and this is completely NAI, its just downright disrespectful to me as a player and person

so if we're not gonna do things in a civilized way then we're gonna do things my way: double down on your reads and mislynch me here or I'll guarantee us to lose on F3

as if you werent gonna vote me on F3 anyway lmfao anything i day you all just ignore

you all deserve to lose and if i make into F3 I'll fucking vote myself again to make sure we lose

so go ahead and fucking mislynch me now because I'm not in the mood for playing this bullshit any further

of course i come back to being thrown shade and talked shit behind my back in the thread

glad to see that you're willing to interact with him but not with me

[VOTE: ExLight] aubergine
do whatever you want on F3 I'm tired of trying to play with people that are just gonna treat me like this

if you want to solve my slot do the fucking iso already instead of wasting time with pretending you know neon better than me

not gonna be around for EoD, going home earlier because today is dogshit in every possible and the sooner I go to bed the better

I will.

Me being frustrated is uncalled for?

Me being ignored and accused in every post you mention my name is what's uncalled for. You're literally avoiding interacting with me and keep accusing me of shit without bothering to even hear what I have to say. This feels almost like a personal attack on me and I have the right to be upset about it.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:30 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 am ExLight, I skimmed your post but I wanted to read myself her Iso before looking in detail at your conclusions.

You're good. I'm mad at Wiml microblogging his volatile thoughts and ignoring anything I say, not you.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Don't be mad. I think Wiml is in his own world of solving.

Well, too late. Tired of him tinfoiling and tunneling. If he wants to solve the game by himself he can be a spectator instead.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:32 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 8:25 am "Widely" suspected because my contributions are literally falling on deaf ears.

Widely in huge quotes because literally only you keep insisting on pushing that I'm scummy on literally no grounds other than this insane PoE and paranoia. If you get me mislynched I'll be extremely pissed off at you.

You really need to stop this bad habit of yours of acting like anyone who townreads you is scummy trying to pocket you, it's kinda annoying to trust a slot and be ignored+tinfoiled by it non-stop. I've been requesting stuff left and right, defending myself, and presenting my own comments and catch-up and you keep ignoring it to instead go off on tangents shooting shade at literally everyone, which is infuriating.

I think I've explained like three times already why the kills before me subbing in + Abgail are not consistent with my slot and I do not remember a SINGLE comment acknowledging it. I asked for non-meta analysis on Wilgy and Roxy and did not get one. I stay up until 1AM wasting my fucking time rereading my catch up and the thread to make an analysis the best I can and it all also gets fucking ignored. I'm getting fucking done with this.

If you want to fucking mislynch me then go ahead and put your vote on me because I'm fucking tired of all that bark and no bite.

AtE doesn't work on me.

Ah yes I must be a fucking psychopathic machine that can only fake feeling upset. It's not fucking AtE, I'm frustrated of feeling like I'm talking to a wall.
You literally purposely ignored all things I rebrought up. At this point you're doing this just to piss me off and I don't even care anymore, be in your own world throwing shade at everyone and do your worst on final 3.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 9:19 am ExLight, I skimmed your post but I wanted to read myself her Iso before looking in detail at your conclusions.

You're good. I'm mad at Wiml microblogging his volatile thoughts and ignoring anything I say, not you.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

whatever

I don't fucking want space I want to discuss the game with other people so we come to a proper analysis and consensus, not be around monologuing.

"Widely" suspected because my contributions are literally falling on deaf ears.

Widely in huge quotes because literally only you keep insisting on pushing that I'm scummy on literally no grounds other than this insane PoE and paranoia. If you get me mislynched I'll be extremely pissed off at you.

You really need to stop this bad habit of yours of acting like anyone who townreads you is scummy trying to pocket you, it's kinda annoying to trust a slot and be ignored+tinfoiled by it non-stop. I've been requesting stuff left and right, defending myself, and presenting my own comments and catch-up and you keep ignoring it to instead go off on tangents shooting shade at literally everyone, which is infuriating.

I think I've explained like three times already why the kills before me subbing in + Abgail are not consistent with my slot and I do not remember a SINGLE comment acknowledging it. I asked for non-meta analysis on Wilgy and Roxy and did not get one. I stay up until 1AM wasting my fucking time rereading my catch up and the thread to make an analysis the best I can and it all also gets fucking ignored. I'm getting fucking done with this.

If you want to fucking mislynch me then go ahead and put your vote on me because I'm fucking tired of all that bark and no bite.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:15 am Speedy NKA:

Falcon: Makes sense for Kate/Roxy/Michelle but difficult to justify for Wilgy.

Wolf-Wilgy would need to kill Falcon uncharacteristically early while not killing either JJJ (who I believe caught him in Don't Starve Mafia) or me (who had a lengthy discussion about a Lime/Wilgy 2/2 earlier that day).

JJJ: Makes sense for Kate/Michelle/Wilgy but difficult to justify for Roxy.

Roxy didn't seem to consider JJJ to have looked all that good from the Lime Coke flip so it's questionable that she'd have killed there over me.

Abigail: Makes sense for Ex/Michelle/Roxy. A bit more difficult to justify for Wilgy for previously discussed reasons.

Take NKA with a big pinch of salt though.

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 6:47 am It's a rough situation to try to solve.

Ex/Wilgy/Roxy all have stuff in their favour but I don't see enough to confidently call any of them town at this point in the game.

Ex has by far the least in his favour but that seems largely because we only really have content from his slot from 2/4 day cycles.

It's just a case of narrowing that down to two but doing that is rough.

do you have literally any comments on my analyses and defenses or are you just gonna keep tinfoiling me

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:58 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:57 am third time is the charm ask again

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:54 am Brad/Kate EoD1 (and Brad/Wilgy earlier into the day phase)

I'm town, cease the paranoia and trust me here please

third time is the charm ask again

mkay

(Sorry for answering without waiting for him but I think it's important to clarify that he has almost zero experience with me)

Wiml wrote: ↑Thu Aug 10, 2023 7:07 am @DrWilgy you seem to know more about Abi/Ex's relationship than me.

Would wolf-Ex be concerned about the potential for Abigail to confidently find him as a wolf and bury him?

Answer is no. I trust my wolf game enough to not be afraid of being read. You played with me before, smh.

Wilgy literally played a single game with us (is playing a game with us, rather) - the only one he has ever played with me, and it's one that doesn't have Town/Mafia, so I doubt he's able to make proper judgment on that matter.

morning
did not sleep well

ExLight - Hi, it's me. I'm Town. I made my case already. Feel free to ask me anything.

Wiml - I don't think Wiml throws a vote early on on Lime coke (#193) and then pressures that slot constantly. #230 is the last nail on the coffin, and doubles down as to why people should be focused on his lynch. I do not believe Wiml to be arrogant or cocky enough to make a good case, push, and bus a scumbud D1 under the hopes of it guaranteeing him surviving 4 more Days. I feel like the current scumreads on him are very gut feeling based, and mainly misattributed due to paranoia since he been losing it a bit and flipflopping his opinions; but as it stands, the role they played D1 in lynching Lime is what's we should be using as evidence, and it definitely earns him a spot in my Towncore.

Michelle - Pretty townie spot too. I like her interactions D1, which includes pushing for Lime early on and trying to solve some spots. Her reaction at #208 seemed genuine and I think her progression on pressuring Lime's slot felt natural. I don't agree with the reasoning behind some of her reads, like Roxy's (#438), though, but that's NAI. Her votecounts were also pretty clutch. Only paranoia I have is that Lime provided a readslist early on and pretty much everyone in it was Town (#147), which is somewhat unusual for scum to do unpromptedly, but it's really not that significant. Rereading her list now I'm a bit curious as to why she wasn't more vocal about Wilgy getting chopped before Epi on D3.

Wilgy - I do not like this slot. All of D1 was mainly jokes, and while I do understand that D1 is more jokey and harder to make real progress (specially when sick), but I wish they had assumed some more definitive stances on the topics discussed in the thread or proposed proper discussions. One of the very few thoughts they put forward was on how Town Falcon was easy to find (#405) which I believe can be a honest thought, but also a setup to following with a Night Kill on him - that thought is a bit diluted by his vote on Lime right before it (#399) because it shows consistency. Difference check comment is fine too (even though it throws shade at two Town).
It goes downhill from here. After about 15 posts of fluff (which by the way has some stuff I often see in wolfy players like joking about themselves being scum or being completely lost), post #734 saying they're not even scumreading Lime despite voting for them is frustrating, because it backpedals on one of the few takes they had other than insisting on a difference check between Kate and Abgail and theory that Wiml is pocketing him (which is also frustrating because they push for a difference check of Lime/Wiml and then later on push change that into a Wiml/Roxy under the condition of Lime flipping wolf, ignoring the fact that Wiml looks infinitely better with Lime's flip). Speaking of votes, Wilgy changes his vote onto Abgail later on (#909), which I guess I guess is coherent with his public view but adds literally nothing to the EoD since Lime was already going to be lynched - also a strange move that I see no Towny reason for specially now that we know she was Town. Funny enough, this actually makes me wonder if they jump out like this if they're expecting for a scumbud to flip but that's WIFOM.
Overall I think their current take is consistent with what they pushed for D1, but that makes their behavior D2 and D3 inconsistent - why did they push for Quin and Epi if their take has always been "Wiml is pocketing" and "diff check between Kate/Abgail"? - The simpler answer I can find is that they sheeped JJJ's offtracked readslist, which is very very very ambiguous at the very least, and can be very scummy depending on how much experience Wilgy has.
When I started writing this, Wilgy was almost as red as Roxy, but honestly, when going through my catch up again I feel like his actions can be seen as somewhat ambiguous. I do see now some of their attempts of pushing thoughts forward, even though they're disconnected from what was happening in the thread. I don't like the omission from the Lime discussion, nor the JJJ sheeping. I appreciate his replies to me and I did find the post where he tried to explain his thoughts useful to understand him as a player.
I strongly believe this is the only remaining likely choice if Roxy is Town, but as mentioned earlier I'd prefer to go over Roxy first. I do understand that this slot has been discussed a bit previously and I'd definitely prefer to not have it in the final 3 if I'm being honest, so if it might bring some peace of mind for some players I would not mind swapping my preferred order.

Roxy - Worst looking slot in my opinion. There were almost no posts contributing to the game on D1. The only remarkable thing I've seen was her hard townreading Kate, which honestly just came across as an unnecessary because Kate was NEVER under any major scrutiny in the thread. A painfully amount of the D1 content is fluff. My impression from my first read was similar to the impression I had of Wilgy where they stayed fairly distant from the whole Lime situation or other aspects discussed in-thread.
Opens up with #323, which I actually agree with as my view on loud players D1 is different from hers (ime people trying a bit too hard D1 are likely to be scum or town with a very weak role) - even so I don't think Roxy's comments adds anything to it because Kate had already explained it wasn't a serious post. I'm actually a bit confused by Kate's message in #114, are those her early scumreads or townreads? If its Kate's scumreads/PoE I feel like Roxy's message looks worse from trying to deflect it. #330 doesn't add much, #332 and #333 ping me a bit because it antagonizes the use of meta which is one of the few tools we have in a vanilla game, #341 is experience talk that doesn't add much (the statistical odds are more like around 66/33 rather than 50/50, but I guess if Abgail's are around 75/25 she might be considering indepts as scum).
#368 is a readlist and we appreciate those. Lack of view on Lime aligns with my experience with scum nullreading when talking about their scumbud early on. Falc as town but no proper Lime antagonism has the same issue as late D1 Wilgy, which is fine. Overall, it's shockingly on the fence for someone that supposedly bases the reads on guts/vibes (as she explained her Epi read in #383). Not a fan of JJJ being shaded since he was one of the main forces pushing for Lime. Overall negative impression from this list.
Almost all posts after that were fluff. Suddenly townviewing Kate is fine but her antagonizing interaction with Kate was what caused JJJ to flip their spots in his list - so it's a bit beyond my comprehension? I dunno. Pie talk, I'm not sure if it's an inside joke. No votes until last second when it doesn't matter anymore. Only comment on Lime's situation is to ask if Wiml truly think he had given up (#763) which feels like an odd question for Town: Lime had stopped trying to defend himself or push others, it certainly seemed defeatist. I don't feel comfortable the follow up (#776) either just take a stance on someone please!!!
#990 Night kill comment is the kinda scummy comment I'm used to, falcon was her only townread why was she surprised? In the same post she thanks Wiml so I'm assuming she expected Wiml to die? #1065 pushes for Wilgy/Quin/Epi.
#1368 flipflops the reads quite a bit. Suddenly Wilgy looks bad, Kate looks somewhat sus, and Wiml looks significantly worse. Everyone but Michelle and Abgail looks potentially scummy.
#1733 "No kill/elim clears anyone for me." and #1842 "Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time." are blatantly contradicting. She later on throws shade at Wigly by saying the reason her slot was kept alive was because or her performance at some of the latest -Los, something only Wigly would be capable of. So I'm really uncomfortable with this back and forth as it seems to again be sitting on the fence and getting ready to go for the neck of whoever she might be able to.
Not comfortable with this slot at all. She does seem to be from a different generation of mafia with different rulesets and philosophies, so I'm very interested in hearing about those because it might be affecting my reads. But as my experience with mafia goes this slot does not look good.


This took longer than I expected, past 1AM for me and I have to wake up for class 6:30AM
G'night folks. Would like to hear thoughts on my pseudo-ISO.
As of right now I'm decently leaning towards voting Roxy, still want to talk to her about her past games to get a bit of a clear view on some stuff though.

made home through through big ass rain gonna dine shower and make up the rainbow list i promised

(non-derogatory)

you're a dork lol

did I kill the thread

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:11 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:07 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:05 pm Thanks DrW!

Ex, did you link me the games I asked for? Sorry if you did and I didn't notice. I would like to check something in the morning.

@Wiml please link me please your last 3 scum games and town games

I missed the request, sorry
What type of games you want?

The most recent games 2 or 3 of each alignment

uuh I don't remember what was my last game as a wolf
lemme see
I played very few games these last months
the bulba one I linked Wiml was my last one

https://www.zeldadungeon.net/forum/thre ... h-t.75584/
^One of last as town, I think I died kinda early?

https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.ph ... on.291233/
^ I think this might've been my last one as scum?

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ame-Thread
^ this is a game where I subbed in as mafia and made a p big comeback (i know it's tempting but please dont bias confirm into finding similarities with current game tysm)

https://www.zeldadungeon.net/forum/thre ... fia.73403/
^First game I hosted as a bonus

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:05 pm Thanks DrW!

Ex, did you link me the games I asked for? Sorry if you did and I didn't notice. I would like to check something in the morning.

@Wiml please link me please your last 3 scum games and town games

I missed the request, sorry
What type of games you want?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:02 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:00 pm would you say you're trying to mimic any of the living players in this current one, Wilgy?

Nope.

Why not?

I'm admittedly too lazy to go read another game, I'm already putting all my effort into trying to solve this one and learning about Tutuu def isn't something I'd consider a priority.

would you say you're trying to mimic any of the living players in this current one, Wilgy?

idk who tutuu is

If we lose because of Wiml/ Michelle being wolf then it is what it is. As it was before me joining the path people were discussing was Epi+me+you (Wilgy) so it would result in a loss anyway.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:47 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:39 pm I find a bit annoying that both the ones I'm scumreading are self proclaimed "guts/vibes players" because it's making me slightly insecure that their lack of stuff I'm expecting is due a difference in playstyle.

I've played by gut, nka, vca, and meta. Why are you so focused upon my gut reads?

I'm not, I appreciate your different approaches, I just had the impression you had self described yourself as a player that focused more on gut feeling? I might be misremembering.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:17 pm Thinking about this still.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 12:54 pm Last wolf just has to be in the mid pol when LC was 3/3 with Abigail right?
```
Abigail
Voters: Epignosis, Michelle, Kate
```

Maybe Michelle 3rd if not Kate?

Like the wolf has to be here still yes? I've seen nothing to make me think otherwise. If there was a bus by Wiml, do I just accept my loss to it?

Further Falc/JJJ/Abigail are all NKs that come out of Kate/Ex.

Blah, idk if I'm to trust my gut here.

Brad couldn’t be saved, never, with that random pop in the thread and doing nothing.
I would let my vote on him if I knew he was a wolf.
Instead hoping for a miracle, bussing would be the best course to gain town credit.
Also I wouldn't kill Falcon N1, I would always kill Jay.
Jay is a real god of mafia. He can't be kept alive except mafia hope he can be mischopped somehow. I couldn’t push Jay so I would N1ed him.

How late/early would you bus them as wolf?

I find a bit annoying that both the ones I'm scumreading are self proclaimed "guts/vibes players" because it's making me slightly insecure that their lack of stuff I'm expecting is due a difference in playstyle.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:27 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:26 pm I'll say it again, but as scum I almost never shoot Abgail here. I'd be shooting Wiml or Michelle here. Abgail simply does not push for my lynch in any scenario on D4 or D5, it would be stupid to shoot her if I were playing for a win.

Phuck it. I believe you. However you are wrong on both your reads of Roxy and I.

Is it Wiml or Michelle?

I just don't think it's any of them? Wiml is very slightly more towny imo, but honestly if it's any of them they deserve to win imo and I'll kneel down and tell the rest of town I'm sorry for screwing up.

Also I'd like to point out that sticking out to the absurd Quin/Epi/Kate PoE is a more complex case of the Monty Hall problem even from just a statistical point of view. One of the worst plays that can be done here is insisting on my slot.

If we factor in other elements beyond just statistical reasoning, it's already a red flag how scum likely kept pushing the order to have the most inactive slot last (Kate's) probably in hopes not for her to sub out but to be either modkilled or lynched without resistance.

And as I said, the kills are incompatible with Kate who was too busy to keep up with the game. I'm not sure what else to say without recurring to meta elements: I don't shoot Abgail here as scum, I don't stay up til 3AM doing a catch up of like 1500 as scum, and I don't prod too many people as scum.

I'm personally feeling a lot more into doing Roxy > Wilgy for the next phases, but it might be optimal to do Wilgy > Roxy considering people have been discussing his slot more.

I'll say it again, but as scum I almost never shoot Abgail here. I'd be shooting Wiml or Michelle here. Abgail simply does not push for my lynch in any scenario on D4 or D5, it would be stupid to shoot her if I were playing for a win.

*Wilgy

I too keep messing up names

I would appreciate if you made a rainbow's list still, Wigly

They're a good way of visualizing someone's reads

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:07 pm Rainbows are somewhat moot.

PoE is between Wiml and Ex.

This makes sense as game winning.

Wiml was one of the main people pushing for an early Lime lynch, which they kept up throughout the day while trying to make pairings as to potential scumbud teams.

I'm aware that my previous slot doesn't look too good due to inactivity, but if I recall correctly Roxy vouched that my slot is having some issues IRL and that's why they had to sub out. As my main argument, Kate wouldn't have been able to keep up with the thread as well, and yet the night kills seem to be done by someone who's been keeping up with the game. The previous days lynches are also clearly manipulated by someone who's was pushing the Kate/Epi/Quin PoE who I am fully aware to be full town by now.

I'm going to the gym rn so I'll be busy for a couple hours.

I'd like to ask everyone for their rainbow lists and comments if possible. I'll try to join in too tonight still.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:01 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:58 pm Wilgy, why isn't voting Ex today and then then having Roxy vote me tomorrow a viable theoretical gameplan for you as a wolf fypov? (Or voting me today and having Roxy vote Ex).

Because Roxy doesn't trust me.

It's very much a meta thing. Roxy is VERY hesitant to trust me, especially after Cyberpunk (which she's referenced prior). If you/me/Roxy end up in f3 and I'm wolf I'm pretty sure Roxy throws me overboard more often than not.

I say this with about 60-70% confidence. More than enough for me to be wary of a Roxy f3.

Regarding this newfound confidence in me. I'm not sure about it. It's really easy to accept it as townie mind meld, but the paranoia in me is like 'it's too easy.'

She literally said earlier that you're 100% Town, lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:56 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:45 pm More than 2 flipped villagers had Wiml as town.
I said yday I can lose to Wiml but I don't agree to lose to Wilgy and since then Wilgy started to analyze posts and votes.
Maybe is a coincidence, maybe not but doesn't give me confidence

Ah, my bad. Should've I remained slanky upon the game shifting so much?

I mean you tell us lol
is this change a wolf's rekindled hope or a town starting to panic?

It's literally between Roxy and Wilgy imo. I don't see town losing if lynching those two in any order.

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:46 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:42 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:35 pm If Ex is town and miselimned today then I think I always die in the Wilgy/Roxy/me F3 situation since those two were calling each other town cleared.

So the stakes are really high with this.

You literally die in any final three because all the remaining players threw shade at you at some point and would prolly push for your lynch probably

Did you read all the game?
Was my push a shade?

Not sure if we are disagreeing on the use of the word shade here or what.

You did start D3 swinging at him having a mild discussion with him and even voting him, no?
So it did feel like you would be willing to lynch him. In fact, my theory as to why you were not the night kill relies heavily on that assumption, if I'm wrong about your read on Wiml I'd like to hear it more.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:35 pm If Ex is town and miselimned today then I think I always die in the Wilgy/Roxy/me F3 situation since those two were calling each other town cleared.

So the stakes are really high with this.

You literally die in any final three because all the remaining players threw shade at you at some point and would prolly push for your lynch probably

I'd really prefer not get lynched today since I hate vehemently being mislynched. I've only been mislynched once as Town out of D1, and it was in the game I mentioned earlier where my mental stated plunged cuz I had 0 energy to defend myself.

(funny enough it was mainly by seanzie who invited me here so no grudges please come back to zd we miss u)