The Syndicate

I'm town.

I'm gonna fucking explode why is the multiquote breaking

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:59 am Wigly would know as he was the wolf in the game Daisy found him.

Heading to a meeting.

There's an issue with your theory as to why you're alive if the only person that would be able to plan it is Wigly then because you just said you think that slot is 100% town

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 3:22 pm I was busy all day, I am catching up

[quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073314">1073314</a> time=<a href="tel:1691580413">1691580413</a> user_id=1179]
[quote=Michelle post_id=<a href="tel:1073295">1073295</a> time=<a href="tel:1691554391">1691554391</a> user_id=659]
Good morning!

Waking up when everyone goes to bed...

Where is @Roxy ?

Hiiii @Michelle
I asked in a post earlier on for non-meta reasons to townread Roxy and Wilgy, could you mention a few?
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My town read for Roxy comes from her Eod where she hammered Quin. She scolded me and Jay for not voting and hammered.
From my PoV a wolf wouldn't take this path, or if she would hammer she wouldn't ask us why we didn't vote in that way.
It felt extremely villagery and also I think her defence for your slot comes from villagery perspective because your slot was LHF all game due to low activity.
[quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073368">1073368</a> time=<a href="tel:1691592486">1691592486</a> user_id=1179]
sounds a bit weird to attempt pocketing the person they'd likely push for in -Lo or today
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Why?
[/quote]That's fair, I appreciate your comment.
As to the pocketing one, I think it's weird because it seems like an waste of effort because if you pocket a person just to try voting them out they might turn around on you very quickly. OMGUS do be a very common thing.

aight
gonna be a bit busier this afternoon too
gon catch up more at night

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:51 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:20 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:21 pm Abgail didn't die as a WTF kill. Nobody did so far.

Falcon was obviously Town because Lime only got FUCKED because he trying to push for his lynch with the jankiest arguments. JJJ was pretty much towncleared as well because they hounded the shit outta Lime. Abgail was likely picked because she wasn't in the PoE the thread been pushing for - everyone remaining here was discussed to some degree (with exception of maybe Michelle?), which makes pretty clear the last scum is either controlling the PoE narrative or at the very least keeping a close eye on the thread.
Which by the way is wild as fuck because I was certain Wiml was gonna get shot because that D1 interaction is definitely a townclear in my book, but I guess people throwing the weird shade and saying nonsense about them being potential mafia was enough to avert a kill.

Wiml looks way better during the Lime elim than JJJ.

Abigail was killed bc she was widely regarded as IC. Her last list of trust kind of puts me in a position to maybe follow them but tbh we have rarely worked together and the first time we do she gets NK'ed.

honestly yea and JJJ readslist was super off on D2 so keeping him around for him to push them would make sense. I have no idea why JJJ was killed before Wiml but since my theory was that they wanted to go over both then it doesn't matter much, I think? I still think they might've gone for a change of plans to keep Wiml around after N3 because Wilgy and Michelle started throwing shade at that slot a lot, while Neon was less under scrutiny.

And while not under much suspicion, she was definitely less townread than Michelle or you from the impression I got. I do find a bit weird that it was chosen over you both, and the only explanation I can think of is that they wanted to keep Michelle around in an attempt to push for a Wilm lynch.

for a full honesty:

I think I was kept bc I am easily swayed during lim/lo's bc I always wolf side. Unfortunately as town when we get to lim/lo I have chosen wrong every time. The only reason I have a town win this year is bc I was killed before lim/lo and Daisy was able to get it right and get Wigly out. LOL

That'd make sense but that would require meta knowledge. Who among the remaining players would know that?

glad you made out of the storm safely!!
please don't stop playing!!!

clear your mindddd

The comment on Abgail being pretty much IC and on Wilm being 40% town make me scumread Roxy's slot a bit more, because it explains the nightkill to me.

I also find a bit weird that despite her towncoring my slot she wasn't a very active defender of Kate after people started discussing putting her on PoE.

I don't know about the hammering comment being a possible townslip?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:21 pm Abgail didn't die as a WTF kill. Nobody did so far.

Falcon was obviously Town because Lime only got FUCKED because he trying to push for his lynch with the jankiest arguments. JJJ was pretty much towncleared as well because they hounded the shit outta Lime. Abgail was likely picked because she wasn't in the PoE the thread been pushing for - everyone remaining here was discussed to some degree (with exception of maybe Michelle?), which makes pretty clear the last scum is either controlling the PoE narrative or at the very least keeping a close eye on the thread.
Which by the way is wild as fuck because I was certain Wiml was gonna get shot because that D1 interaction is definitely a townclear in my book, but I guess people throwing the weird shade and saying nonsense about them being potential mafia was enough to avert a kill.

Wiml looks way better during the Lime elim than JJJ.

Abigail was killed bc she was widely regarded as IC. Her last list of trust kind of puts me in a position to maybe follow them but tbh we have rarely worked together and the first time we do she gets NK'ed.

honestly yea and JJJ readslist was super off on D2 so keeping him around for him to push them would make sense. I have no idea why JJJ was killed before Wiml but since my theory was that they wanted to go over both then it doesn't matter much, I think? I still think they might've gone for a change of plans to keep Wiml around after N3 because Wilgy and Michelle started throwing shade at that slot a lot, while Neon was less under scrutiny.

And while not under much suspicion, she was definitely less townread than Michelle or you from the impression I got. I do find a bit weird that it was chosen over you both, and the only explanation I can think of is that they wanted to keep Michelle around in an attempt to push for a Wilm lynch.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:17 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

Wigly is town after the last elim 100% of the time.

Wiml the eod was made a bit scattershot bc of there vote jumping. It gave me bad vibes when reading it. Wiml town 40% of the time.

aight thanks was waiting for this reply

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:08 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:41 am <<<<<<<<<<<snippy snip>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

oml I don't hate you on a personal level, you seem like an enjoyable person and I'm sure you're a good player

I'm just uncomfortable with the lack I'd personally consider to be AI, in particular the lack of stuff I'd consider towny from your posts

I am sorry I am not doing what I should. What "stuff" are you looking for? This feels like I am being put in the shade.

I mean I do be throwing some shade because my personal PoE is you and Wigly.

And like, you're doing fine rn but your D1 content was a lot of fluff like pie talk and barely any reads other than Kate??? Lack of more dynamic or elaborated votes for me to analyze too. And then your activity dropped so much D2 and D3!!

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 11:05 am I think Roxy just townslipped.

yea? imma listening

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:30 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:27 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm @Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

No, I don't think they ever played together so he wouldn't how she interacts with me.

Aye, I think the only two to know this would get you and me, unless somehow she just got hit in the crossfire, but I don't know what would cause that.

I think though, if my goal is to really separate you and Abigail, I NK you instead and hope Abigail doesn't waver.

Is that the type of analysis you are looking for?

That's a better one, yea.
Answer without thinking much, what you think my winrate is as Town?

wtaf? lmao I do not think I have ever seen this question asked in a game. It does not give me warm fuzzies.

Lmfao I know it sounds weird and maybe even a bit cocky but I swear it's just so I can assess how players view my slot better

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:50 am

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 4:45 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pmI am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

I'll admit that with this context I think Ex killing Abigail is a lot less likely.

So a WEx Light would never kill PA?

Never is probably a bit of a strong word.
But if I were mafia trying to guarantee a win I'd probably shoot Wiml or Michelle because they seem very townie to me based on D1. If I were feeling dicey I'd probably be more likely to shoot Wilgy.

If I were to shoot Neon it would probably be at N4 if I'm extra dicey and wanting to cause chaos in the -Lo.

sounds a bit weird to attempt pocketing the person they'd likely push for in -Lo or today

Even if you did hammer the gap between it and any other wagons were too large, at that point it feels somewhat natural for the scumbud to be in it if around EoD

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:36 am Ex Light I am sorry i have been typing your name wrong as Ex Lite. I'll be more careful. I apologize.

ExLite is kinda cute, I don't mind lol

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 10:22 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:53 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:48 pm The one thing I did ask more broadly and that I'd appreciate Wiml's comment would be an answer on my request for non-meta reasons to townread you (Wilgy) or Roxy in the current game.

Read JJJ's ISO if you want that.

My Roxy read is meta and gut. If Roxy bus'd LC there was quite literally 0 posturing around that. I feel that W Roxy would've made a bigger deal of it ESPECIALLY if they went out of their meta so hard to bus.

Again, I'm asking for original thoughts. Why do I have to read JJJ's thoughts if I'm asking for the ones of the current players? You've been pushing his PoE for the past 3 Days and it was a full Town group, I think it's pretty clear at this point his D2 ISOs weren't reliable.

You don't have any non-meta reason to townread her? If she didn't do a single significantly town thing in this game why are you clearing them?

this reads as ExLite twisting the post up to mean want they want it mean when Wigly's thoughts have been quite clear.

1. I struggle a bit with English so I might not express myself as clearly as I wished for
2. I am not familiar with Mafia jargon and verbiage so I'll often ask for information to be dumbed down
3. I mainly asked two things, their opinion on the kill, and a non-meta read on you. Throwing loose terms like "agenda" and "manipulate" don't explain anything. If they felt like there was such a thing going in play I'd appreciate if they took their time to elaborate on the thoughts rather than be ominously vague about something as conspiracy-like as people discussing the kill being an evil plot. They did make a post I considered better on later on where they elaborated a lot on what they meant, in a way closer to what I was looking for.
As for the asking them for THEIR take on you, I'd appreciate if they found proper non-meta and in-game reasons for their read. If all they had were meta reads and gut feelings like they said then it means they don't have something like a read or vote you made that stood out, as such it clearly doesn't hold the case for me. They later mentioned that they didn't think you'd bus Lime, which is more tangible, but that vote personally didn't make much of an impression to me because Lime's fate was sealed already by then.

Roxy, very important question but on a 1-10 scale how much do you townread Wiml and who would you vote if Wilgy flipped Town?

is it because I'm trying to multiquote on mobile

WHY ARE MY QUOTES BREAKING
im gonna ducking cry

_ExLight wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:41 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:08 pm I reread the game last night so I'm finally caught up.
Wiml is never mafia here. Michelle is very unlikely to be mafia too.

I do not like the Quin Lynch D2, I do not mind the Epi Lynch D3, but he definitely wasn't a priority. I'm sorry for not being able to catch up by the EoD on D3.

Overall I just HATE Wilgy and Roxy's slots and those should've been the priority since D2 imo
Can the remaining players give me reads on those two without using any meta arguments?

For today I think Wilgy is the priority because I've been pinged by way too many red flags outta them. They hopped off the Lime wagon when it started to gain speed, they're among the ones who originally suggested and were vehemently pushing for the Quin/Epi/Kate PoE along JJJ (which by the way fell off BAD after mid-day 1), and their intonation shifted a lot after the D1 - becoming a lot more "serious".

That being said, I really dislike Roxy slot too. I've seen little to no contributing from them - with a noticeable lack of reads and impressions throughout most of the phases, a lot of filler mafia philosophy talk, and arguments that are quite the hypocrisy (being against meta arguments but being one of the first ones to use them in the reads). But I feel like the last mafia is someone who's been more actively influencing the game, which makes me prioritize Wilgy.

I'm 92% sure scum is one of those two slots.

Hi new player.

I like to try my best to show respect to other players while I am not perfect and do make mistakes I really really dislike someone telling me that - the "HATE", they dislike me, I am not contributing, noticeable lack of, filler talk, not influencing the game.

I am so sorry I am not playing your preferred way.

kk this is just in the first few posts of catch up so yeah, your buzz words killed my mafia playing mood .......................

It is bumming me out but I will try to continue.

oml I don't hate you on a personal level, you seem like an enjoyable person and I'm sure you're a good player

I'm just uncomfortable with the lack I'd personally consider to be AI, in particular the lack of stuff I'd consider towny from your posts

So sorry if my wording was too harsh!!!!!

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:49 am [quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073246">1073246</a> time=<a href="tel:1691529412">1691529412</a> user_id=1179]

Spoiler: show

[quote=Wiml post_id=<a href="tel:1073244">1073244</a> time=<a href="tel:1691529021">1691529021</a> user_id=938]
[quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073242">1073242</a> time=<a href="tel:1691528905">1691528905</a> user_id=1179]
I reread the game last night so I'm finally caught up.
Wiml is never mafia here. Michelle is very unlikely to be mafia too.

I do not like the Quin Lynch D2, I do not mind the Epi Lynch D3, but he definitely wasn't a priority. I'm sorry for not being able to catch up by the EoD on D3.

Overall I just HATE Wilgy and Roxy's slots and those should've been the priority since D2 imo
Can the remaining players give me reads on those two without using any meta arguments?

For today I think Wilgy is the priority because I've been pinged by way too many red flags outta them. They hopped off the Lime wagon when it started to gain speed, they're among the ones who originally suggested and were vehemently pushing for the Quin/Epi/Kate PoE along JJJ (which by the way fell off BAD after mid-day 1), and their intonation shifted a lot after the D1 - becoming a lot more "serious".

That being said, I really dislike Roxy slot too. I've seen little to no contributing from them - with a noticeable lack of reads and impressions throughout most of the phases, a lot of filler mafia philosophy talk, and arguments that are quite the hypocrisy (being against meta arguments but being one of the first ones to use them in the reads). But I feel like the last mafia is someone who's been more actively influencing the game, which makes me prioritize Wilgy.

I'm 92% sure scum is one of those two slots.

What were your thoughts on Abi while reading through?
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I always have a hard time reading her, so I'm actually glad her slot was solved tbh.

Overall, she seemed mainly towny after some big walls where she shared her thoughts (around late D1 or D2 I think? JJJ was still alive) because I know she's a bit more reluctant to do that as scum. And from a recent game it seems like she's a bit of a defeatist when in a tough spot, so she would've probably not been as cheerful as she was here.
There was only one post (#162) that had really bothered me D1 though, where Lime agreed with Abigail having good vibes as wolf, so one of the first things I wanted to do when the day started was ask her if she had ever played with him before because that seemed like a potential scumslip.
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I disagree with your PA reads.

She is not a reluctant mafia lol far from it I have seen her call herself a "Woof God" more than once. She is never reluctant to share her one liner thoughts.

Lately she had been struggling to be cheerful so this game was a wonderful change bc it was nice to see them having fun while playing.

Last game I was a host and she said in the thread there was only 2 people she liked that were playing. Her whole mind frame seems to have changed from that game to this one.

PA and Lime have played together before - yes.
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From my experience with her she did go through an overly confident phase that affected both her town and mafia game, but it always felt a bit of "fake til you make it" rather than her being comfortable. In another ZD game she had quite the clash with a player called alana, and since then my impression in the games with her have been a bit more ground leveled.

In the bulbagarden game I linked to Wiml which is very very recent it was pretty clear how she was hesitating, prolly due to being a 3p hostile. To be fair it's not the same as being mafia, but I feel like it's comparable since it also doesn't want to be spotted by Town.

Yea, her back at being more cheerful here is nice. And she played great. If ur reading this I'll try my best to avenge u Neon xoxo.

Mkay, good to know she had played with Lime before. Thanks. Doesnt matter much now that she got shot, though lol.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 9:34 am

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:08 pm I reread the game last night so I'm finally caught up.
Wiml is never mafia here. Michelle is very unlikely to be mafia too.

I do not like the Quin Lynch D2, I do not mind the Epi Lynch D3, but he definitely wasn't a priority. I'm sorry for not being able to catch up by the EoD on D3.

Overall I just HATE Wilgy and Roxy's slots and those should've been the priority since D2 imo
Can the remaining players give me reads on those two without using any meta arguments?

For today I think Wilgy is the priority because I've been pinged by way too many red flags outta them. They hopped off the Lime wagon when it started to gain speed, they're among the ones who originally suggested and were vehemently pushing for the Quin/Epi/Kate PoE along JJJ (which by the way fell off BAD after mid-day 1), and their intonation shifted a lot after the D1 - becoming a lot more "serious".

That being said, I really dislike Roxy slot too. I've seen little to no contributing from them - with a noticeable lack of reads and impressions throughout most of the phases, a lot of filler mafia philosophy talk, and arguments that are quite the hypocrisy (being against meta arguments but being one of the first ones to use them in the reads). But I feel like the last mafia is someone who's been more actively influencing the game, which makes me prioritize Wilgy.

I'm 92% sure scum is one of those two slots.

Hi new player.

I like to try my best to show respect to other players while I am not perfect and do make mistakes I really really dislike someone telling me that - the "HATE", they dislike me, I am not contributing, noticeable lack of, filler talk, not influencing the game.

I am so sorry I am not playing your preferred way.

kk this is just in the first few posts of catch up so yeah, your buzz words killed my mafia playing mood .......................

It is bumming me out but I will try to continue.

oml I don't hate you on a personal level, you seem like an enjoyable person and I'm sure you're a good player

I'm just uncomfortable with the lack I'd personally consider to be AI, in particular the lack of stuff I'd consider towny from your posts

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 12:13 am Good morning!

Waking up when everyone goes to bed...

Where is @Roxy ?

Hiiii @Michelle
I asked in a post earlier on for non-meta reasons to townread Roxy and Wilgy, could you mention a few?

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2023 5:06 am @_ExLight Please link the last two games you played with Abigail for me.

https://forums.bulbagarden.net/index.ph ... ns.297597/

https://zeldadungeon.net/forum/threads/ ... ead.74581/

Honestly not great games because she was scum in both. There were was a game between those but it was a shaky one cuz it was likely my worst performance cuz my mental state went to shit at the time lmfao so I'd rather forget that game.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:59 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pm I'm still unsure as to what you mean by agenda. I'm not even sure how you're throwing shade at both me and Wiml at the same time when there's only one scum left. It's a vanilla game, the one of the few sources of information is who was chosen to die by scum. We're literally just discussing this to get more information, if anything your resistance to discussing it is way worse than him or me trying to conclude what that flip implies.

Ok, can split quotes now.

My PoE was and is You and Wiml (has been my 'I might be wrong' for a minute now). Wiml goes from having me as the counter to now spewed. I think it's reasonable to see the agenda of 'Wiml killed Abigail and is now raising that as a positive to me to pocket me.' Further, you ask specifically for my thoughts on the subject and I don't know if I've seen your own conclusion for it yet, thus it's also reasonable for me to question 'Ex killed Abigail and is questioning me specifically, what are they hoping to impress upon me?' I have no resistance to discussing it, but both you AND wiml's discussion had me as a subject thus leading to questioning.

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:11 pm I am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

Aye, it is fallacious and based on strict assumption. I don't know your meta, but I do know Abigails. If Abigail had doubt about you and expressed that, I would've followed in continuing the PoE. Had Abigail expressed you were in fact 100% T Ex, I would've gone with that and would probably be voting Wiml.

Neither of these worlds exist because Abigail was killed though. If you are T, it makes sense for you to think this based on your own perspective and history with Abigail. If you are W, it makes sense to clip the player who has your meta and then attempt to utilize assumption to make yourself appear as T.

My understanding of the Abigail protection is that it was because you were freshly sub'd in. I'll review though, I don't know if I saw any firm arguments for T vs W from Abigail. I do not think Abigail would purposely defend you had they found reason to doubt their read on you.

Ex wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:02 pm Because you're hiding behind his comment instead of providing an original thought. You been doing this all game and it's pinging me like crazy.

Quoting your 3rd point here. I am not hiding behind his comment. I'm questioning where the comment came from. Original thought came after I expressed that you two seem to be both placing me in a subject matter around a wolf based action (the nk) indicating agenda (also an original thought.) You say I'm doing it all game, but that's somewhat meaningless as it's either an opinion or just kinda shitty shade that has no base? My thoughts have been plenty original.

This post is neat, I think I like it.
I'll head to bed and ponder about it while I sleep.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:09 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 11:07 pm hmm

50% is about average, so while the killing me instead of Neon is a decent argument I feel like I could still be seen as a low hanging fruit and chosen over her.

is it? I just figured that I'm garbo so you gotta have a wr higher than me and threw that number out.

I'd assume so since I'd expect most setups to have about 50-50 odds, but I guess it would depend on which sites people play
Also winrates don't determine whether or not someone is garbo so don't be harsh on yourself

hmm

50% is about average, so while the killing me instead of Neon is a decent argument I feel like I could still be seen as a low hanging fruit and chosen over her.

I need to hear Roxy and Michelle

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:15 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:12 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm @Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

No, I don't think they ever played together so he wouldn't how she interacts with me.

Aye, I think the only two to know this would get you and me, unless somehow she just got hit in the crossfire, but I don't know what would cause that.

I think though, if my goal is to really separate you and Abigail, I NK you instead and hope Abigail doesn't waver.

Is that the type of analysis you are looking for?

That's a better one, yea.
Answer without thinking much, what you think my winrate is as Town?

It's a bit hard to tell because there aren't enough vote histories, but from I can see Roxy literally voted Lime when he was almost getting hammered, this wouldn't even count bussing, it's just placing beating a dead horse.

If anything her delaying her vote on Lime when asked about it by saying something along the lines of "I'll vote closer to EoD cuz my vote is sacred" or something shows hesitation to me.

Is there anything else?

*wouldn't know

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 10:10 pm @Ex would've Wiml known to kill Abigail to break you two apart?

No, I don't think they ever played together so he wouldn't how she interacts with me.

I'm still unsure as to what you mean by agenda. I'm not even sure how you're throwing shade at both me and Wiml at the same time when there's only one scum left. It's a vanilla game, the one of the few sources of information is who was chosen to die by scum. We're literally just discussing this to get more information, if anything your resistance to discussing it is way worse than him or me trying to conclude what that flip implies.

I am friends with Abgail and I'm aware that she will often be willing to trust me. Not only that but I'm pretty sure she said loud and clear that she said in-thread that she would defend me this game? We literally just came out of a game where I tried to help her win as arsonist. It's not fallacies, we got each other's back and I'm 100% sure she wouldn't hesitate to trust me when I say I'm Town.

Not even sure what you mean by third point.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:53 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:48 pm The one thing I did ask more broadly and that I'd appreciate Wiml's comment would be an answer on my request for non-meta reasons to townread you (Wilgy) or Roxy in the current game.

Read JJJ's ISO if you want that.

My Roxy read is meta and gut. If Roxy bus'd LC there was quite literally 0 posturing around that. I feel that W Roxy would've made a bigger deal of it ESPECIALLY if they went out of their meta so hard to bus.

Again, I'm asking for original thoughts. Why do I have to read JJJ's thoughts if I'm asking for the ones of the current players? You've been pushing his PoE for the past 3 Days and it was a full Town group, I think it's pretty clear at this point his D2 ISOs weren't reliable.

You don't have any non-meta reason to townread her? If she didn't do a single significantly town thing in this game why are you clearing them?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:49 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:44 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?

Manipulate you how?
And clear you how?

No, I want to gather more information from you and for that I need you to keep talking about what I think is relevant.

You can in asking about it immediately, Wiml had commentary on it immediately. All feels very agenda based on the NK that wolves control. You also ???'d Wiml saying I was spewed now. Your guess is as good as mine.

Agenda based how? Literally any kill other than you still keeps your place as the priority in the chopping block. What makes the Abgail kill any different if it's to "manipulate" you?

I ??? him because saying it spewed you is an absurd assumption at this point. And his argument is bad. As soon as I subbed in Abgail would be a lot more likely to trust me over you, she was definitely not going to keep being a "vocal defender" of your slot if it had to come down to a showdown between us.

In any case I shouldn't be making an argument to HIS points when I'm here asking for yours.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:50 pm [quote=_ExLight post_id=<a href="tel:1073267">1073267</a> time=<a href="tel:1691545542">1691545542</a> user_id=1179]
And for the record I could not give two fucks about what Wiml currently fried brain thinks. I'm asking you.

But why do you feel the need to comment this? The spew comment was made by Wiml in the first place.
[/quote]Because you're hiding behind his comment instead of providing an original thought. You been doing this all game and it's pinging me like crazy.

The one thing I did ask more broadly and that I'd appreciate Wiml's comment would be an answer on my request for non-meta reasons to townread you (Wilgy) or Roxy in the current game.

And for the record I could not give two fucks about what Wiml currently fried brain thinks. I'm asking you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 9:27 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:51 pm Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

It's being utilized to manipulate me.

You've inquired me about it and Wiml said I'm cleared by it.

Is there some conclusion you'd like for me to have come to?

Manipulate you how?
And clear you how?

No, I want to gather more information from you and for that I need you to keep talking about what I think is relevant.

where's everyone...............................

Wilgy can I hear your thoughts about the night kill

With Neon dead I doubt people are gonna go hammer happy

how do i vote
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[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

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Michelle did you play any games hosted by osie last year?

Abgail didn't die as a WTF kill. Nobody did so far.

Falcon was obviously Town because Lime only got FUCKED because he trying to push for his lynch with the jankiest arguments. JJJ was pretty much towncleared as well because they hounded the shit outta Lime. Abgail was likely picked because she wasn't in the PoE the thread been pushing for - everyone remaining here was discussed to some degree (with exception of maybe Michelle?), which makes pretty clear the last scum is either controlling the PoE narrative or at the very least keeping a close eye on the thread.
Which by the way is wild as fuck because I was certain Wiml was gonna get shot because that D1 interaction is definitely a townclear in my book, but I guess people throwing the weird shade and saying nonsense about them being potential mafia was enough to avert a kill.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:10 pm

_ExLight wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:08 pm I reread the game last night so I'm finally caught up.
Wiml is never mafia here. Michelle is very unlikely to be mafia too.

I do not like the Quin Lynch D2, I do not mind the Epi Lynch D3, but he definitely wasn't a priority. I'm sorry for not being able to catch up by the EoD on D3.

Overall I just HATE Wilgy and Roxy's slots and those should've been the priority since D2 imo
Can the remaining players give me reads on those two without using any meta arguments?

For today I think Wilgy is the priority because I've been pinged by way too many red flags outta them. They hopped off the Lime wagon when it started to gain speed, they're among the ones who originally suggested and were vehemently pushing for the Quin/Epi/Kate PoE along JJJ (which by the way fell off BAD after mid-day 1), and their intonation shifted a lot after the D1 - becoming a lot more "serious".

That being said, I really dislike Roxy slot too. I've seen little to no contributing from them - with a noticeable lack of reads and impressions throughout most of the phases, a lot of filler mafia philosophy talk, and arguments that are quite the hypocrisy (being against meta arguments but being one of the first ones to use them in the reads). But I feel like the last mafia is someone who's been more actively influencing the game, which makes me prioritize Wilgy.

I'm 92% sure scum is one of those two slots.

What were your thoughts on Abi while reading through?

I always have a hard time reading her, so I'm actually glad her slot was solved tbh.

Overall, she seemed mainly towny after some big walls where she shared her thoughts (around late D1 or D2 I think? JJJ was still alive) because I know she's a bit more reluctant to do that as scum. And from a recent game it seems like she's a bit of a defeatist when in a tough spot, so she would've probably not been as cheerful as she was here.
There was only one post (#162) that had really bothered me D1 though, where Lime agreed with Abigail having good vibes as wolf, so one of the first things I wanted to do when the day started was ask her if she had ever played with him before because that seemed like a potential scumslip.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 4:59 pm I randomly had the thought a couple of hours ago that wolf-Ex might kill Abigail because we made out like she was super townread when summarising the game to him.

I don't actually remember to what extent that's true and would have to read things but that's hilarious if that actually happened.

Paranoid and bad thought, I would've shot you or Michelle.

Wiml wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2023 5:05 pm Nice to see Wilgy get spewed town by the NK though.

???

I reread the game last night so I'm finally caught up.
Wiml is never mafia here. Michelle is very unlikely to be mafia too.

I do not like the Quin Lynch D2, I do not mind the Epi Lynch D3, but he definitely wasn't a priority. I'm sorry for not being able to catch up by the EoD on D3.

Overall I just HATE Wilgy and Roxy's slots and those should've been the priority since D2 imo
Can the remaining players give me reads on those two without using any meta arguments?

For today I think Wilgy is the priority because I've been pinged by way too many red flags outta them. They hopped off the Lime wagon when it started to gain speed, they're among the ones who originally suggested and were vehemently pushing for the Quin/Epi/Kate PoE along JJJ (which by the way fell off BAD after mid-day 1), and their intonation shifted a lot after the D1 - becoming a lot more "serious".

That being said, I really dislike Roxy slot too. I've seen little to no contributing from them - with a noticeable lack of reads and impressions throughout most of the phases, a lot of filler mafia philosophy talk, and arguments that are quite the hypocrisy (being against meta arguments but being one of the first ones to use them in the reads). But I feel like the last mafia is someone who's been more actively influencing the game, which makes me prioritize Wilgy.

I'm 92% sure scum is one of those two slots.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2023 3:55 pm I see unvote currently has a 50% chance of going over instead of me.

So that's reassuring.

hi! nice to meet you!
could you give me a quick rundown of your thoughts?

oh ok