The Syndicate

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:59 pm This wagon was late forming and I don’t think it’s pushed by scum

lmao

well gg wp

i apologize for skill issuing. havent dedicated enough time to this game. setup doesnt look fun after chopping our strongest role

any town around? what the hell is going on

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:53 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:51 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:50 pm

baker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:48 pm ah well this is sad

[VOTE: martingg99] aubergine

fuck, i did misread you

yeah no more excessively long posts by me anymore

Quick- what is your current worldview of Wilgy? Because if you think he is good, vote baker

one in baker/wigly is a wolf and i think i realized that immediately but i somehow contorted myself into believing that baker was town and wigly was scum

and wigly has been towny this entire day and baker hasn't been

why cant both me and wilgy be town?

mafia will want to pile up last second on a town

we should probably consolidate into someone else

i am vanilla town

don't like martins latest pop in

ah well this is sad

[VOTE: martingg99] aubergine

porscha wagon getting resistance

intersting

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:22 pm I would like to veto a Martin/wilgy/porscha vote today

I feel strongly about baker and delta. I feel strongly

all i see is "trust me bro"

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:12 pm

baker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:10 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:05 pm baker is there anyone you wouldn’t vote here? from your string of posts and subsequent suspicion i feel like you’d suspect anyone

that is openly suspecting martin/wigly/delta/scotty and townreading me/porsha

then saying u think the team is me/porscha/stick

like, can u explain some motivation besides opportunism

First premise checks out. I don't really have a slot that I can say in confidence "locktown/lockscum"

Coming to lylo, i had to erase everything in my head with a bottle of liquor and reread everyone. this is why I said I will probably sheep the best looking wagon. I am reading the game whenever I can catch some time.

Also, I don't remember anyone pushing on Stick before me, I think i deserve some town credit here

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

how’d all your suspicions change in 13 minutes cause you presumably can’t do much iso’ing in those 13 minutes

explain why you think it’s porscha/stick/me for a second

it a world where i was picturing stick as mafia and not 3p. you and porscha were to first ones to accept this and set the thread direction outside of stick chop. one of you could be mafia in that world. i have a townlean for you in general while abi didn't play their usual town game (i have played a lot with princess abigail)

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 6:05 pm baker is there anyone you wouldn’t vote here? from your string of posts and subsequent suspicion i feel like you’d suspect anyone

that is openly suspecting martin/wigly/delta/scotty and townreading me/porsha

then saying u think the team is me/porscha/stick

like, can u explain some motivation besides opportunism

First premise checks out. I don't really have a slot that I can say in confidence "locktown/lockscum"

Coming to lylo, i had to erase everything in my head with a bottle of liquor and reread everyone. this is why I said I will probably sheep the best looking wagon. I am reading the game whenever I can catch some time.

Also, I don't remember anyone pushing on Stick before me, I think i deserve some town credit here

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:42 pm Looks like town is gonna crash and burn. A whole bunch of independent wagons.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Also if baker's town I think we just lose because he seems to be perfectly opposite of me

baker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:55 am I was paranoid of robyn for a good while d1/d2 but I have found some posts where they are more likely to come from town

Porscha seems to be tryharding which is probably town

Don't like Scotty shading me earlier, similar vibes to d1 I also think scotty could be teamed with Wilgy

Delta is hell to read. Martin did trend down for me since yesterday

and he's voting porscha for whatever reason alongside giving a terrible read of them earlier (its lylo -- who wouldn't tryhard or effort more?)

so,

Kinda just wanting to vote there and get all this fuss over with

I have been a let down and basically didn't solve as much as I would like. I am enjoying my vacation and tbh didn't really expect two nights without kills. its odd and too different for my understanding of setups.

I am clueless. Were you scumreading Delta and townreading Porscha?

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 5:54 pm We need some sort of consolidation of votes anyway considering the circumstances

Issue is we're missing a lot of people ;O;

I dunno. I'm spooked by how easily Baker went with the vote ;_;

i wanted to make things interesting idk what i am doing tbh

yeah thats fair

my issue with the slot is how Abi behaved on D1 and I remember having a difficult time townreading them based on the lack of WIM. it was a poor d1 for good old zenon

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

@Delta

do you have anyone tied to Porscha?

well 3 hours means i still got time for a hot and spicy teriyaki chicken

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:06 pm

baker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:05 pm i was trying pineapple pizza for the first time and it was so gross

how close are we to EoD?

3 hours off

pineapple is great on pizza wdym

baked pineapple slices

disgusting texture and tastes like underwear

i was trying pineapple pizza for the first time and it was so gross

how close are we to EoD?

how long until the EoD?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:46 pm pretty funny of baker to come in here and be play an uno reverse card on wilgy cuz now I don't really believe in the w/w world of them either lol. just think there is no way they are w/w and baker comes in to specifically bring it up and throw shade at wilgy. but we'll see if it only ends up being shade

yeah my gameplan is to see who is voting who and consolidate on the best looking wagon

sorry for skill issuing

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 2:45 pm

baker wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 11:47 am Here are some quick reads:

I think Wilgy would be my next scumread. Wilgy has been scumreading me for 3 days and hasn't really made any developments. They had voted awfully outside of "baker" I am actually surprised nobody ever questioned baker/wilgy theatre here, I am thinking we can find a lot of information from a Wilgy flip. There is also a good chance of hitting a wolf anyway

I don't know who else really STICKs out. I see we have new people in town, so imma let you guys vote the scum, I will sheep.

wilgy kinda just omgus'd me after I said there is a possible world where you are w/w with him and accused me of looking for reasons to vote him when I said I wouldn't vote him today before you flipped and scotty slapped my hand for not reading your guys previous interactions cuz he thinks its like. not theater at all. did you read those posts and did they play into the wilgy suspicion you are bringing up now?

no I haven't read them lol

and I don't have the time or mental capacity to read everything atm, but from a quick skim today i established some ideas. i am not confident in anything. i need to be carried this game

what i deep down believe is the world with porscha/robyn/stick I know this might sound wild, very slim chances to happen, but I always expect the worst so dont look at me for going at stick today

I am usually right on 2 of my scumreads on lylo and end up townreading the third one. Its not a perfect world but this is what I have^

I was paranoid of robyn for a good while d1/d2 but I have found some posts where they are more likely to come from town

Porscha seems to be tryharding which is probably town

Don't like Scotty shading me earlier, similar vibes to d1 I also think scotty could be teamed with Wilgy

Delta is hell to read. Martin did trend down for me since yesterday

[unvote][/unvote]

Here are some quick reads:

I think Wilgy would be my next scumread. Wilgy has been scumreading me for 3 days and hasn't really made any developments. They had voted awfully outside of "baker" I am actually surprised nobody ever questioned baker/wilgy theatre here, I am thinking we can find a lot of information from a Wilgy flip. There is also a good chance of hitting a wolf anyway

I don't know who else really STICKs out. I see we have new people in town, so imma let you guys vote the scum, I will sheep.

I am sorry the lack of activity. I am traveling so it is hard to contribute and i feel quite shamed to be here.

Stick wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 7:37 am Bakerrrrr come back

hey whats cookin

also lack of night kills could mean:

mafia hit night immune = this means we are dealing with a far more dangerous role if a 3p exists
or
mafia has arsonist/poisones and will get 2-3kp tonight
or maybe
it could be a lost wolf carrying out the nk and its not factional, that also explains MR death after two nights of no NK


skip could work but honestly we should just chop stick and hope for a 3v2 tomorrow at worst. we could tinfoil the setup whole day too idm but i dont think we lose here as long as dont chop town

12p

3v9 only makes sense if we had less vanillas but apparently we have a lot of them

and you are telling me we are 3v1v8? that would be a real bad design

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:34 pm i believe that stick is third party and that if we chop her the game is lost

there is also mechanically 3 mafia alive

3/5 or
3/4/1

parity and well, stick has been playing like a third party and i believe her claim. she hasn’t bothered to solve or even look towny.

and if it is 3/4/1 and we chop stick it’s a loss

these are good enough reasons to vote out stick. if they were truly townsiding they would have done more earlier. this narrative of stick being tied to a townplayer makes no sense in a 12 player game, we are killing stick today because they would have outed the name if they had any towny motives

robyn wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:30 pm

baker wrote: ↑Mon Jan 01, 2024 10:29 pm [VOTE: Stick] aubergine

please dont hammer too quick

no hammers this game, stick is third party

i support the wigly push since they have been pretty bad with their votes but we are not letting another day go without a non-town chop

we are not skipping with a 3p claim, this should be better

[VOTE: Stick] aubergine

please dont hammer too quick

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:26 pm Actually

If mafia is truly trying to purposefully play on a self-imposed hard mode, stick is definitely doing everything in their power to come out of this with accolades befitting a mafia boss. It’s just a funny concept to me

atp i don't wanna speculate on what happened without info. but if we are in a world where mafia holstering for a prestige win, I would expect such effort from Martin too. I TR them though so its probably less likely.

Would you really not try such a concept though? What does this game mean to you @Scotty

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:19 pm i pinged people who were voting garebear LOL


fair enough on the two town wagons yea ill own up to that part


we can get a pelt by killing LC probably

Past 3 games we had (all mashes) you were town, I was wolf against you on last and in that game I had to put out a really tough battle to stop you from solving the game. You were consistently the alpha town and this game I don't see it

I hope you prove me wrong though

Stick wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:05 pm

baker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 30, 2023 1:57 pm I think Stick is mafia.

how come?

Your threadcamping high WIM feels more wolfy to me than town, just a feeling. I was giving the benefit of doubt on you - people are likely to change behavior in a new environment but you haven't really achieved any good results.

Coming to D3 with no wolf pelt and two votes on town (both CW), I also have a lot of worlds I can't clear because your name is in it. Final straw was you sending a mass ping to only 4 players, it felt like town stick I know wouldn't ping few players but instead propose much more stronger ideas to all of us.

In short, you have failed to meet town!Stick standards~

I think Robyns re-entry shown good potential. I wouldn't look into them today.

Martin and MR are still towny.

Scotty is town on most occasions but I am still paranoid here and if mafia is going for no NK win, I would except this to come from Scotty for achievement purposes. Their high WIM can swing both ways.

Wilgy and LC are null for me. I am not feeling confident rereading into Wilgy and LC yet. I will do them another time.

Garebare afk
Abi afk

Stick has been underwhelming according to my meta knowledge of their strong town play. I think there is no other player I want dead right now besides Stick. Their flip will give me the best understanding of the gamestate and the chances of catching them as wolf is higher than what I think of other people.

[VOTE: Stick] aubergine

I don't have much time because I have a flight tomorrow.

I should have full freedom after New Years Eve.

I think Stick is mafia.

I would suggest a CFD on Abi or a gamble on Scotty if people are unsure about the Stick/DM wagons

I know in the past Abi attended EoD's as town and avoided EoD's as wolf.

in my first ever FM game someone said a good town can chop wolves on D1 and D2. then they referenced games from Achromatic, JaggedJimmyJay and MacDougall.

I guess we will never be that good xd~

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:55 pm

Stick wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:19 pm has garebare posted at all today?

Not that I'm aware of and I'm not sure how we proceed on the slot.

Like assuming this is a 4 yeeter, we have 3 more misses. 2 if a 3 yeeter. Do we burn one to clean slot in a game where it's been generally difficult to build a PoE?

I think chopping into DM/Stick/LC will always result in 1 wolf minimum at worst

I don't really have a strong scumcase on anyone btw

reads

Martin
MR

Robyn

Wilgy

abi
Scotty

Long Con

Stick
Garebare

DarlingMonroe

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:35 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:32 pm

DarlingMonroe wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:30 pm baker has 1 vote rn, idk how realistic it is he gets chopped today

not with my vote today, by the looks of it

and if he did get chopped and flip town I'll pretend I had full confidence in him the whole time and stick out my tongue at you all

so if he flips mafia, at least he can say he was town read by scotty, something some of us havent achieved aka me

projecting town is part of a different set of skills than what we do for deception. it is really hard to imitate it and the difference can be read correctly by experienced players. i think your struggle is a problem of yours rather than scottys

this game, i still have no clear thoughts on who is what in general. i do feel like MR is town on initial readings

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:25 pm Baker's starting to lean into the same behaviors he had when he was mischopped d1 as a town once.

I am biased to believe it, but thought I would mention for the sake of others.

i do often score 2 out of 3 wolves on every game regardless of alignment so there is -ev in chopping me

but also there is +ev in chopping me because you know there is a good chance a wolf was pushing for my chop lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:10 pm

baker wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 4:04 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:44 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 3:41 pm Also @baker I should note that your posts as a whole on D1 weren’t performative- it was that one post voting for falcon that seemed like a fake, perform-y justification

I felt that post (not gonna go check it now but I know which one you mean) was too over the top to be a wolf genuinely trying to be performative. It felt like a town being overdramatic for funsies to me.

Baker's reaction to your wagon analysis was the bit I could see being performative. Not saying it definitely is, but it felt like an overreaction to what was fairly standard thoughts.

yeah i did overreact to scotty as a response to what i thought was an overreaction to the eod1 cw. while this doesn't clear scotty, it does raise the question if they were opportunistic in pushing the people from previous wagon or they are using deductive processes in favor of generating discussion for rest of us. i am not the judge of that difference check so i placed my vote there and assumed the worst since i don't know what kind of a player they are. it is up to you guys to decide if this is a legit strat for a wolf or town, i can say this would never be my approach as a wolf but feel free to burn me if you must

We haven’t played together before, but my strength lies in finding flip associations. Since we only have a flip on a D1 elim, it’s a lot less to go on, so I turn into a bit of a cracked our conspiracy nut in these cases

Not that I think my ideas are all that cracked out, mind you.

I don’t know how you operate as a wolf, and I infer that you have experience playing as a wolf, and your reaction to me entering D2 is I think not as wolfy as it could have been if you were, say, new.

here is a little homework for you guys on my wolf/town games



https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ia-Victory

my latest completed wolfgame


https://www.fortressoflies.com/t/splatf ... ory/6608/1

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthre ... rd-Roles-3

my latest town games