The Syndicate

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:23 am I still don't think Miranda has done anything of note so I don't see why the pressure should dissipate. I liked how mighty handled me yesterday though.

I agree she hasn’t don’t anything of note, but that’s a two way street.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:21 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 11:04 am

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:48 am If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

I already said I thought her tone was sus. I don’t just snapvote someone I like for funsies unless it’s dubz

Why you bein weird?

I’m not “being weird”. That’s a weirdly defensive tone for you to take for being asked a simple question.

And it think it’s weird that you’re going after the lowest having fruit on the thread, for fairly lackluster reasoning.

I think it’s been well established that Miranda in general has a sus tone which stems from her being a noob, and is NAI.

You don’t usually make pushes like this.

SportPonies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:48 am If I unvoted right now it could be a three way tie :heckyeah:

Why are you even voting for Miranda? What’s your endgame here?

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 10:38 am Holy shit I caught up

Now I'm going to bed

Will you be back before close?

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 6:24 am Falcon Zenge is T v T change my mind


Spoiler you can't

I’m trying. I don’t think Falcon has approached a single one of not just my interactions but several others from a scummy perspective. The push against PSV for asking your opinion of Falcon was atrociously scummy.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 1:29 am also: I use male pronouns.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to misgender you.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:48 am Falcon is not an option.

Soooooooo are you going to elaborate on why you keep saying this, or… ___ …

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:23 am

Zenge wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 12:04 am

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

This isn’t “calm and reason”.

They refused to actually answer the question I was asking. They said a lot of words without saying anything of meaning.

Reading it as an outsider to the argument, I think they are frustrated that it's been going on for a week and a half without either you or falcon really offering anything new.

Sloonei's post reads like trying to move the thread along. I would guess that's why they aren't engaging with your questions.

If falcon were to flip wolf, it wouldn't be a great look for Sloonei, but they wouldn't be the only person viewing the argument as V/V.

The issue I take with Sloonei, isn’t that they’re reading it as v/v.

It’s the way in which the initial response to me pushing Falcon was an attempt to shut down any conversation by saying “that’s just how Falcon is” without ever being willing to highlight specific parts of the interaction they agreed with and disagreed with, despite repeated requests to do so. Never once.

Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:55 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

Get out of here with your calm and reasoning.

Also, intentionally being peacemaker and trying to stop a distracting argument feels town to me.

This isn’t “calm and reason”.

They refused to actually answer the question I was asking. They said a lot of words without saying anything of meaning.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:14 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

This sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.

I mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.

I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?

Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?

Because I wonder if the intensity that AM is known for sometimes ends up on townies, and if your asking AM didn't have any agenda attached.

I asked her because she’s a smart savvy player and her opinion matters to me, and considering I’m villager reading her, and Dyachei has village read her (Dyachei who has never been wrong on their read of AM in like 7+ years), I can trust that it’s an honest read from a villager (outside of a AM/Dyachei W/W world, which I don’t think is likely here).

That being said, AM is never anyone’s pit bull. She pushes people independently. She frequently wolf reads people and finds separate people to wolf read and push, separate from other peoples pushes.

@santygrass you’re being weirdly quiet this game. Where are you?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:08 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 11:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

This sounds like a very passive approach and does not match what I've heard others say about them.

I mean I guess the way I describe it is a little dry.

I’m not really sure where this line of questioning is trying to go. Can you just say what you want to say instead of dancing around it and answer my original question?

Why is my asking AM for her opinion “weird” and “Potentially outting”?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:59 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:58 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

What does AM tend to do then? Can you give me a TLDR on them?

She analyzes the posts players make, and the gamestate as a whole, decides who she thinks is the wolfiest and votes there.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:56 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

AM seems to be known for their intensity. Do they tend to focus on specific people and push there?

No, I don’t think I’d say that’s something that AM “tends” to do any more or any less than anyone else.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Is AM the type that can be pointed at a specific target with reasonable effect?

I’m not sure I understand the question. Can you rephrase?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:49 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

Before I do that, I'd like to hear exactly why you thought to bring AM on the discussion.

Because I trust my village read on her, and she’d posted recently so I knew she was around.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

I don't know AM that well, but this seems like a weird, potentially telling tag.

Can you elaborate on why asking one of my village reads what her opinion is, is a “weird” and “potentially telling” tag?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:41 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

I mean... Maybe. Idk. I'm currently torn on falcon. I think Sloonei really just doesn't want to talk to you tbh

That’s fair. But for the second I’ve started this Falcon push they came in to shut it down, claiming “That’s just Falcon” and have refused time and time again to not really answer any questions about my interaction with Falcon.

Like if you’re going to defend someone you think is village wouldn’t you actually take apart the merits of the case against them instead of giving fake politicians answers that never actually answer the question?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:38 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

@Animal Midwife would you agree with this?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:29 pm I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

I am indeed not going to answer. This is not a productive discussion. I'll engage with you on other subjects as they come up. But I have said everything I have to say about this particular subject.

@potentialsheltervet if Falcon flips scum, there’s no way this isn’t also scum, right? Like this has been too much Falcon defense to not be W/W, right?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:28 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:39 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm idk, zenge/falcon/sloon feels a lot like v on v on v violence but i dont really know how to read the first 2

Let me lay out my case for you.

Falcon made a very bad push on me.

I said I was thinking about how a wolf would approach the game and looking for people who were doing that.

Falcon claimed that this “wasn’t a town perspective”.

I asked him to elaborate and he refused and changed the subject.

I asked him again and he obfuscated with something unrelated.

This is not how a villager looking to solve the game behaves.

Go back to the post dude.








Thinking about how a wolf might approach the game is fine.







Not following up and questioning players who are doing the wolfy things you suspect? That is not a towny mindset.





And it isn't.

Once again you’re going back to this nonsense reason to wolf read me.

Your argument is that I said I found the Miranda wagon suspicious. Your entire case hinged on demanding that I had to ask every single voter on the Miranda wagon why, and that it was the only way for a villager to play the game.

But my issue is not just with the post. It’s with your follow up. You refused to answer the question and tried to change the subject. When I asked again you obfuscated by muddling two separate arguments together to give legitimacy to your scummy push.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:17 pm

Spoiler: show

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:07 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm This isn’t an answer. What specifically did I say that you felt was an example of my “Twisting his words”?

What is your read on me right now?

Not great. Especially since you refused to answer this question and just asked another question, which was about how I’m reading you.

Villager’s don’t generally care as much about how others are reading them and are usually more willing to answer extremely basic and simple questions.

The reason I ask is because I fail to see the benefit of continuing this dialogue unless you are actively suspicious of me.

I feel as though I have answered you in sufficient detail. I have gone into more detail than I thought necessary. I even addressed your most recent question in the post you were responding to: You painted Falcon as suspicious for not asking you why you disliked the Miranda wagon, when it was not unreasonable to assume that Falcon had assumed your objection was that the votes came too quickly.

You have asked me to respond to a bunch of things, but I am failing to see what value is being gained right now. It feels as though you are hounding me simply as a reflex. So how are you reading me, and why are my answers to your questions so important?

I’m not hounding you as a reflex I’m extremely suspicious of you because your defense of Falcon has been extremely scummy.

Your failure to answer my questions has been extremely scummy. Anyone who actually reads the answers you gave to the questions I’ve asked would agree that like a politician, you’ve answered by saying a lot of words and never actually answering my questions.

So let’s do this. I’m giving you one more opportunity to answer my questions honestly. I’m going to make them as simple as possible.

1. I said “This is what I expect wolves to do. Im looking for people who are doing this.” -This is a fact. Do you agree or disagree with that. If you disagree why specifically?

2. Falcon highlighted my quote discussed in point #1 and said that it was a Wolfy mindset. -This is a fact. Do you agree or disagree with that. If you disagree why specifically?

3. I asked Falcon why it was he was claiming that was a “Wolfy mindset”. -This is a fact. Do you agree or disagree with that. If you disagree why specifically?

4. Falcon followed that by saying he was done discussing with me, instead of explaining himself. -This is a fact. Do you agree or disagree with that. If you disagree why specifically?

5. I pressed Falcon again and asked him AGAIN to answer the question. -This is a fact. Do you agree or disagree with that. If you disagree why specifically?

6. Falcon answered by making an unrelated complaint about my not asking people voting for Miranda why they were voting for Miranda. -This is a fact. Do you agree or disagree with that. If you disagree why specifically?

I’d like you to answer these point by point. I doubt you will. I expect you’ll continue to obfuscate and give hand wavy answers.

@Animal Midwife

With 24 players I’m assuming 5 scum or so?

You think that’s probably accurate?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:31 pm This isn’t an answer. What specifically did I say that you felt was an example of my “Twisting his words”?

What is your read on me right now?

Not great. Especially since you refused to answer this question and just asked another question, which was about how I’m reading you.

Villager’s don’t generally care as much about how others are reading them and are usually more willing to answer extremely basic and simple questions.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 10:00 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:52 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:22 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

See, this is what a townie looks like when I sus Falcon but take them off the table.

I'll answer your question re:this, but not until I hear from Zenge.

I answered you in 922? Unless you asked something else I didn’t see?

I apparently didn't see that post. Are you usually so laissez faire in games?

I don’t feel like I’m very laissez faire here. This is the most active and engaged I’ve been on a thread in a while.

So I guess yes. I’m not just usually laissez faire, I’m usually SO laissez faire that what you’re seeing as “laissez faire” here is actually a very high bar for me.

When I talk about you being laissez faire, I'm referring to the fact that you seem fine not following up on things that most people would follow up on. The fact that you're active an engaged makes this worse since... why wouldn't you engage with these things?

What specifically are you asking about my not following up on?

If you’re asking about my not following up with the weird comment you made. I did comment on it. “Not with that attitude”. And then a few hours later you voted me for not “following up”.

I guess I’m confused. Can you specify how much time exactly you think would have been appropriate for me to wait before following up a second time?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:52 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:22 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

See, this is what a townie looks like when I sus Falcon but take them off the table.

I'll answer your question re:this, but not until I hear from Zenge.

I answered you in 922? Unless you asked something else I didn’t see?

I apparently didn't see that post. Are you usually so laissez faire in games?

I don’t feel like I’m very laissez faire here. This is the most active and engaged I’ve been on a thread in a while.

So I guess yes. I’m not just usually laissez faire, I’m usually SO laissez faire that what you’re seeing as “laissez faire” here is actually a very high bar for me.

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:40 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:39 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm idk, zenge/falcon/sloon feels a lot like v on v on v violence but i dont really know how to read the first 2

Let me lay out my case for you.

Falcon made a very bad push on me.

I said I was thinking about how a wolf would approach the game and looking for people who were doing that.

Falcon claimed that this “wasn’t a town perspective”.

I asked him to elaborate and he refused and changed the subject.

I asked him again and he obfuscated with something unrelated.

This is not how a villager looking to solve the game behaves.

falcon is someone I struggle with because I almost always want to call him a wolf, but he's usually not a wolf

he does shit that I would consider wolfy in a vacuum

I feel like if you took a wolf out of a vacuum they’d still be a wolf though. That’s like…physics.

But also hear me out on this:

The Miranda wagon is bad. I’ve talked about why. Instead of asking me why I thought the Miranda wagon is bad, or trying to engage and understand people perspectives, he wolf read me and tried to build a wagon on me for terrible reasoning.

He also tried to build a case on PSV, on the grounds that he was asking how Neon was reading his slot.

All of these things are Wolfy in a vacuum. How many Wolfy vacuums does it take before this is a pattern?

dyachei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:32 pm idk, zenge/falcon/sloon feels a lot like v on v on v violence but i dont really know how to read the first 2

Let me lay out my case for you.

Falcon made a very bad push on me.

I said I was thinking about how a wolf would approach the game and looking for people who were doing that.

Falcon claimed that this “wasn’t a town perspective”.

I asked him to elaborate and he refused and changed the subject.

I asked him again and he obfuscated with something unrelated.

This is not how a villager looking to solve the game behaves.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:26 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:00 pm You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

I think Falcon said a provocative thing about you and you were provoked. I think he made a mountain out of a molehill first, and you responded by making your out mountain out of your own molehill. Falcon's initial gripe, whether or not we believe it, was that you were not proactive enough in addressing your concerns about the early Miranda votes. Was it fair as an accusation at face value? Not really. But was it an acceptable play for early Day 1 of a crossover mafia game on Mafiathesyndicate.com? Absolutely.

You responded critically and defensively, because it was a bit of a bogus accusation. That is fair. But, in your response, I felt you took some liberties with his words, or at least presented a rather one-sided view of his position (It is not hard to see how falcon could interpret your initial concern as being simply the speed with which the votes occurred). This is reminiscent of how you have responded to me today. But, again, that is fine, because it is Day 1 of a mafia game, and we need to twist some words to get people talking.

Was I swayed by any of the arguments either of you made against one another? No. I was not. If I am to give a read, it's that both of you are town. Falcon, for playing the role of provocateur. You, because your defensive reaction turned into what looks to be a very firmly-held belief that you are onto something. But neither of those are strong reads, which is why I will again stress that I'm more interested in seeing how you respond to other things.

I do not believe there is anything meaningful to be gained by continuing this dialogue.

This isn’t an answer. What specifically did I say that you felt was an example of my “Twisting his words”?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:22 pm

mightyrunner7 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 9:10 pm Hello everyone, finally caught up from Day 1 opening, so I'll be making a series of posts to give my thoughts/impressions

The biggest issue so far seems to be the conflict between Falcon/Zenge/Sloonie/Seanzie

Here are my reads of it:
Falcon - Scum lean
Zenge - Village lean
Sloonie - Village lean
Seanzie - Confused scum lean. Falcon was sus, but we cannot eliminate Falcon, so you vote for Zenge? Is your opinion toward Falcon based in past history (Falcon is a strong player, we should keep him around) or something else?

Generally, I find Zenge to have had the more convincing argument than Falcon (although this may admittedly be attributed to SDN bias), while Sloonie's commentary felt villagey to me

See, this is what a townie looks like when I sus Falcon but take them off the table.

I'll answer your question re:this, but not until I hear from Zenge.

I answered you in 922? Unless you asked something else I didn’t see?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:54 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:44 pm I asked Sloonei a serious question several hours ago that I haven’t gotten an answer from despite them having posted. I haven’t badgered them about an answer yet. That doesn’t mean I’ve forgotten or don’t intend to follow up at some point.

I answered you here, but I do not expect you to be satisfied with my response.

You’re right. I’m extremely dissatisfied.

I asked you for one thing. One simple thing. Give me your thoughts on the content itself.

Instead you gave another hand wavy answer that simply acknowledges the existence of the content and talk about how it was created on D1.

I wanted you to talk to me about the argument I’m making against Falcon. The specific point about what Falcon said, my rebuttal, and what you agree with or disagree with in that exchange, with specifics.

I still expect an answer here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:40 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:25 pm [VOTE: Zenge] aubergine

Weird choice here, but okay.

Why was this the end of this?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:39 pm

Spoiler: show

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

The bad news is though... we cannot elim Falcon.

Not with that attitude

I’m not sure I understand your question.

I've been sussing Falcon, and then I tell you that we cannot elim him.

You don't find that weird? You don't want to know why? You just drop it?

I was hoping you’d either reconsider or elaborate on why you thought that. You hadn’t yet. I wasn’t going to badger you about it not that long after.

I asked Sloonei a serious question several hours ago that I haven’t gotten an answer from despite them having posted. I haven’t badgered them about an answer yet. That doesn’t mean I’ve forgotten or don’t intend to follow up at some point.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:34 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:28 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:25 pm [VOTE: Zenge] aubergine

Weird choice here, but okay.

Why was this the end of this?

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:39 pm

Spoiler: show

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

The bad news is though... we cannot elim Falcon.

Not with that attitude

I’m not sure I understand your question.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:25 pm [VOTE: Zenge] aubergine

Weird choice here, but okay.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:15 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:18 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm Game Fast.

14 pages.

Haven't read.

ANYWAYS @Neon you meme voting Dennis?

@falcon45ca/@NateTheLesser please iterate on why Zenge?

No it's a real vote

Can you iterate why?

Sure *points at all of Dennis "content"*

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 8:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:50 pm

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:40 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:40 pm @NateTheLesser Why are you voting Zenge?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm Game Fast.

14 pages.

Haven't read.

ANYWAYS @Neon you meme voting Dennis?

@falcon45ca/@NateTheLesser please iterate on why Zenge?

His comment on whether Scotty was role fishing seemed like reachy shade for page 1 of day 0 (especially since our animals aren't tied to role/alignment).

But I'm not sure I want to help yeet a SDNer on day one, so I'll see how I feel as I catch up. Dennis also struck me as slightly over-serious during D0.

What would role fishing really accomplish in a role madness game?

Well, I was more interested in the accusation of role fishing than the alleged role fishing itself.

It wasn’t an accusation Nate, it was a joke.

The joke being that animal roles are irrelevant so fishing for them is equally irrelevant.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:39 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

The bad news is though... we cannot elim Falcon.

Not with that attitude

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:32 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:24 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:36 pm @Sloonei What do you think of Neon (I think) saying falcon feels OOC?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:27 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:25 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:17 pm

I think you should read her wolf game before making claims like this.

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

I'm thinking about it. Particularly interested in Neon agreeing he's not acting normal. Trying to source opinions from other Syndicats to see their opinions

@Seanzie It's reasonable to assume looking at the way PVS keeps referring back to Neon specifically, and the tone in general, that they're not SR her slot.




Or perhaps I'm wrong and PVS is trying to get a read on Neon based off their read on me? But it doesn't feel that way at all, it feels like PVS is TR Neon, or at the very least has her above null

I don't see what you're pushing here. I agree that I get no vibe of a SR on Neon, but I also don't really get a "townread" vibe. Instead Neon said you're acting funny, and someone who doesn't know you well, and likely assumes Neon does, took that to heart.

They look like they're trying to make a meta-based push on you without having the meta to do so, so they're citing the sources of their meta. Nothing big about this.

I think this is another point in the Falcon is very likely a wolf column.

This push on PSV is illogical in its foundation. Seanzie spelled it out perfectly.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:27 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:16 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 7:11 pm

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:48 pm [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine

Why's that?

I got tired of the current wagon and wanted to move to someone else I felt was just standing around.

Being kinda quiet this game.

Oh have you played with Creature before?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:55 pm

miranda920 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:54 pm One of the more challenging things for me will be remembering to come on this forum and navigating. So far I think I'm getting the hang of it here.
Outside of that, I think playing with new players will be challenging as I don't have any bias or know your metas.

How do you think you'll adjust to playing a game with so many unfamiliar faces and no known metas?

@potentialsheltervet id like your opinion on Sloonei’s question to Miranda here.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:46 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:45 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:41 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:38 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:36 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:33 pm That post from pyxxy that everyone is calling hedgy is kinda towny to me

He's told me of this urban myth that runs through his family where sometimes he just gets like a gut feeling that he hasn't done as scum, and it's been used against me to catch me before

Which post? I missed it. Can you link it? I'm a fail at reading Pyxxy, so my opinion can't help

So are you saying Pyxxy is a witch?

What's a witch?

I know what a witch is, I mean like is it a thing in mafia terms to be clear

No I meant like a "real" witch, someone who can *accurately* tell the future, or knows things they have no way of knowing, based on non scientific means.

I don’t think being able to predict the future is part of a witch’s abilities in the lore, is it?

Like if it was the Wicked Witch of the West, probably would have just left Dorothy alone, no?

Or the witch in Snow White. If she’d known the future, that plan would have gone much better for the Witch than it did.

How about doctor who? He was the one who looked into like a million different futures in the Thanos movie right (I don't watch movies often)

Pyxxy is doctor who is my new headcanon

I think I saw an episode of that once. She went to the Wild West. The Cheyenne called her “Medicine Woman”.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:41 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:38 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:37 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:36 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:33 pm That post from pyxxy that everyone is calling hedgy is kinda towny to me

He's told me of this urban myth that runs through his family where sometimes he just gets like a gut feeling that he hasn't done as scum, and it's been used against me to catch me before

Which post? I missed it. Can you link it? I'm a fail at reading Pyxxy, so my opinion can't help

So are you saying Pyxxy is a witch?

What's a witch?

I know what a witch is, I mean like is it a thing in mafia terms to be clear

No I meant like a "real" witch, someone who can *accurately* tell the future, or knows things they have no way of knowing, based on non scientific means.

I don’t think being able to predict the future is part of a witch’s abilities in the lore, is it?

Like if it was the Wicked Witch of the West, probably would have just left Dorothy alone, no?

Or the witch in Snow White. If she’d known the future, that plan would have gone much better for the Witch than it did.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:30 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:27 pm tbh it was the "hmm" lol.

Oh well We have a hmm react so I guess I'm just keeping it alive

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:11 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:08 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:07 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:49 pm

For fear of raising the wrath of Zenge, I thought Falcon had some points.

I generally have a hard time reading Falcon; coming in here seeing him engage, I thought maybe I was getting a grip on his game. I thought he looked very civvie. And Sloonei i think was not so much defending Falcon as he was explaining someones Meta. I think he was trying to be helpful. I don't know that I think Sloonei would come in Day 1 to defend a teammate in that way, when he could easily be called out by people with more Falcon experience.

BUT Neon does read Falcon much better than I, so I need to see what she says.

I think Sloonei and Falcon are unlikely to be packmates anyhow but if Neon has a history of reading Falcon accurately than hmm

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

How are you reading Neon?

There's a feisty-ness to her tone in certain posts that I've come to associate w/ towny Neon

Who are you wolf reading other than me?

I actually feel a bit better about your slot...I've gotten into enough dust-ups w/ town before to know some of the signs, so


[VOTE: Nate] aubergine

Have you talked about Nate prior to this?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:07 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 6:05 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

For fear of raising the wrath of Zenge, I thought Falcon had some points.

I generally have a hard time reading Falcon; coming in here seeing him engage, I thought maybe I was getting a grip on his game. I thought he looked very civvie. And Sloonei i think was not so much defending Falcon as he was explaining someones Meta. I think he was trying to be helpful. I don't know that I think Sloonei would come in Day 1 to defend a teammate in that way, when he could easily be called out by people with more Falcon experience.

BUT Neon does read Falcon much better than I, so I need to see what she says.

I think Sloonei and Falcon are unlikely to be packmates anyhow but if Neon has a history of reading Falcon accurately than hmm

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

How are you reading Neon?

There's a feisty-ness to her tone in certain posts that I've come to associate w/ towny Neon

Who are you wolf reading other than me?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:55 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:52 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:49 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:24 pm Anyway, I find the split on whether falcon is playing out of character or not to be an interesting one. sloonei says no, neon says yes. Other Syndicats, what's your opinion?

For fear of raising the wrath of Zenge, I thought Falcon had some points.

I generally have a hard time reading Falcon; coming in here seeing him engage, I thought maybe I was getting a grip on his game. I thought he looked very civvie. And Sloonei i think was not so much defending Falcon as he was explaining someones Meta. I think he was trying to be helpful. I don't know that I think Sloonei would come in Day 1 to defend a teammate in that way, when he could easily be called out by people with more Falcon experience.

BUT Neon does read Falcon much better than I, so I need to see what she says.

I think Sloonei and Falcon are unlikely to be packmates anyhow but if Neon has a history of reading Falcon accurately than hmm

Why are you TR Neon? Are you sheeping other player's reads on her slot?

How are you reading Neon?

You literally spelled out the joke in your comment Nate. Animals aren’t tied to roles. Hence the joke.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:40 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 3:40 pm @NateTheLesser Why are you voting Zenge?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 4:01 pm Game Fast.

14 pages.

Haven't read.

ANYWAYS @Neon you meme voting Dennis?

@falcon45ca/@NateTheLesser please iterate on why Zenge?

His comment on whether Scotty was role fishing seemed like reachy shade for page 1 of day 0 (especially since our animals aren't tied to role/alignment).

But I'm not sure I want to help yeet a SDNer on day one, so I'll see how I feel as I catch up. Dennis also struck me as slightly over-serious during D0.

It was literally a joke, Nate.

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:20 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:19 pm

Animal Midwife wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:17 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:06 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 5:00 pm Is Miranda a relative noob to werewolf?

I think it is far easier and safer to call someone town when playing as mafia

Yes, she is a relative noob. This is her fifth (I believe?) game.
I'm more getting at, I would've expected her to be coached not to say something like that. I'm reading her as nooby rather than outright wolfy.

I think you should read her wolf game before making claims like this.

I will not be doing that. I already stated I'm not even going to be reading this entire game. All I'm saying is I think she sounds noobish rather than wolfy to me.

That's going to be a problem.

Not if she sheeps me.

@potentialsheltervet
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!
Falcon Yeet!

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 1:02 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:50 pm

Zenge wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:40 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Apr 19, 2023 12:36 pm OK, I'm done w/ Zenge for now. I feel he's intentionally bogging down discussion on a single topic, and so!






Moving on

I don’t think so. Answer my question, Falcon.

Why do you believe that my trying to guess how wolves would approach the game, and then looking to see if anyone is doing what I expect wolves to do, isn’t a “Towny Mindset”?

Cuz' you don't follow up or question any of those players that are doing the exact thing you suspect wolves of doing

No no no. These are two completely separate issues, and you’re trying to get out of answering the question by muddling them together.

You bolded my saying here’s how I imagine the wolves would approach the game, and you responded by saying “This isn’t a towny mindset”.

Now that I’m asking you to explain why thinking about how the wolves would approach the game and looking to see if anyone is doing exactly what I expect wolves to do isn’t a “towny mindset, you defaulted back to saying I wasn’t asking players why they voted for Miranda which has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand.

I asked my question to you clearly and concisely twice. The first time you tried to ignore it. The second time you continued to try and shade me with something that has absolutely nothing to do with the question that I asked you.

That’s it. We’re thunderdoming.

This is a wolf, full stop.

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

@Sloonei

I’d like you to for once, give your thoughts on the merits of the argument here.

I said “This is how I imagine wolves would approach the game and so I’m looking for people who are doing that”. Falcon responded to that specifically by saying this isn’t a “towny mindset”.

I asked Flacon how that’s not a towny mindset, and Falcon REFUSED to answer and tried to deflect and change the subject.

I asked AGAIN, and Falcon responded by falling back to the complaint that I wasn’t asking the people voting for Miranda questions. WHICH IS NOT AN ANSWER TO MY QUESTION.

I want you Sloonei, to talk about the actual content here. Not some hand waving about how “this just seems like flacon to you”.

I want you to respond with thoughts about the actual content here.