The Syndicate

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:09 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:07 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team

Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?

I mean, idk about you guys, but in this situation I'm bending over backwards to save my partner if at all possible. Lot easier to get to parity with two instead of one. Neither is really a lost cause. Part of it is playstyle differences I guess but I would not be voting my last partner here because that's not going to gain them much cred.

yeah, I'd do the same
being a solo wolf is stressful

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team

Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:00 pm I feel like @MacDougall ... is anybody reading my posts? Lol

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:54 pm I want to make a spicy vote

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:52 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:46 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:41 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:33 pm @Lemonfairy Why are you still voting Kate?

idk
not really feeling the other wagons

So you'd rather camp out on someone you put in your town leans in your recent reads list?

tbh I kind of want to vote you but your explanation feels alright
it doesn't make me want to move you up but it also doesn't make me want to immediately yeet you out of a window

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:50 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:30 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:32 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:08 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

who do u scumread the most rn and why?

Ordering is hard, but my poe includes six, Dennis, pyxxy, and ted. I'd personally like to give pyxxy more time as I shot him last game when he was town so I'm not the best judge of character. I think his response to vote pressure was pretty good. But he's still poe.
Dennis imo hasn't really done anything towny. His vote of Seanzie is too opportunistic to be clearing in any way. I know he has a certain Dennis way but I'd like to see more engaging with reads and back and forth, I guess.
Six has done so little it's just... Weird. But boobs are weird, so...
Ted is almost twtbw? His dedication to jumping through hoops in order to scumread me is almost impressive. I'd really like to see updated thoughts and whether he checked out the links I posted.

can you talk to me about the difference between falcon and pyxxy?
because one is "I'm not convinced he's mafia" and the other is like "his response was pretty good but he's still poe"
ig same with the rest of the people in your poe

it feels like you have 2 different standards, one being not enough to scumread and the other is not enough to townread and while, they're not mutually exclusive from each other, the "not enough to scumread" feels more lenient than "not enough to townread"

is there anything specific from falcon that stood out as towny to you?

I mean... tone.
More specifically, pyxxy feels like he's lacking a certain spark I saw from him last game. I'm waiting for it to appear but it hasn't. I'll admit falcon hasn't done anything overtly towny, but to me him sheeping Neon seems like an absentee townie move rather than an MIA wolf move. It makes more sense from that perspective.
I see what you're saying with the double standard. Really a lot of it comes down to micro details and vibes and therefore I can't really verbalize it specifically. I just go where the wind takes me and hope sometimes it blows favorable places.

see, it's hard for me to read into a response like this b/c idk the meta for most people and there isn't anything in the thread I can look at again to see if your conclusion is reasonable or not
I'm also not super convinced that sheeping is absentee town as I've seen wolves do it too

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:41 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:33 pm @Lemonfairy Why are you still voting Kate?

idk
not really feeling the other wagons

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:42 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:41 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:36 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:35 pm @Neon Have you talked about Ted at all?

Nope

What are your thoughts on that slot? Especially since he was pushing me quite a bit.

I don't have any

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:36 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 9:35 pm @Neon Have you talked about Ted at all?

Nope

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:58 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 5:19 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:52 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:29 am Quiet barely active doesn't give a fuck falcon is usually town ime he just wolfed and actually tried I think falcon is very much the type of player who cares about not letting his pack down so he's more active when scum.

Also also he just pocketed me as wolf and I'm not sure he's try to do literally the exact same thing two games in a row. That's uh less likely to be true though.

I'm TRing Falcon this game tbh but I think it's important to note there was an extensive discussion of his meta last game (at least, my last game? The crossover game.) so it's not unreasonable to think he might be aware and switch it up.

The more I think about it, town falcon would not come in see votes on him and just jet. I'm leaving my vote where it is.

I'd like to hear from @Neon and @Dennis re: falcon.

He wouldn't?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:32 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:08 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

who do u scumread the most rn and why?

Ordering is hard, but my poe includes six, Dennis, pyxxy, and ted. I'd personally like to give pyxxy more time as I shot him last game when he was town so I'm not the best judge of character. I think his response to vote pressure was pretty good. But he's still poe.
Dennis imo hasn't really done anything towny. His vote of Seanzie is too opportunistic to be clearing in any way. I know he has a certain Dennis way but I'd like to see more engaging with reads and back and forth, I guess.
Six has done so little it's just... Weird. But boobs are weird, so...
Ted is almost twtbw? His dedication to jumping through hoops in order to scumread me is almost impressive. I'd really like to see updated thoughts and whether he checked out the links I posted.

can you talk to me about the difference between falcon and pyxxy?
because one is "I'm not convinced he's mafia" and the other is like "his response was pretty good but he's still poe"
ig same with the rest of the people in your poe

it feels like you have 2 different standards, one being not enough to scumread and the other is not enough to townread and while, they're not mutually exclusive from each other, the "not enough to scumread" feels more lenient than "not enough to townread"

is there anything specific from falcon that stood out as towny to you?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:10 pm sup six

why am i a wolf

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 8:08 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:47 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:42 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:08 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

who do u scumread the most rn and why?

Ordering is hard, but my poe includes six, Dennis, pyxxy, and ted. I'd personally like to give pyxxy more time as I shot him last game when he was town so I'm not the best judge of character. I think his response to vote pressure was pretty good. But he's still poe.
Dennis imo hasn't really done anything towny. His vote of Seanzie is too opportunistic to be clearing in any way. I know he has a certain Dennis way but I'd like to see more engaging with reads and back and forth, I guess.
Six has done so little it's just... Weird. But boobs are weird, so...
Ted is almost twtbw? His dedication to jumping through hoops in order to scumread me is almost impressive. I'd really like to see updated thoughts and whether he checked out the links I posted.

Boobs ARE weird!

Noobs, dammit! Boobs too though.

You should tell the pretty girl who gave you rabies that boobs are weird

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:42 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:08 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

who do u scumread the most rn and why?

Ordering is hard, but my poe includes six, Dennis, pyxxy, and ted. I'd personally like to give pyxxy more time as I shot him last game when he was town so I'm not the best judge of character. I think his response to vote pressure was pretty good. But he's still poe.
Dennis imo hasn't really done anything towny. His vote of Seanzie is too opportunistic to be clearing in any way. I know he has a certain Dennis way but I'd like to see more engaging with reads and back and forth, I guess.
Six has done so little it's just... Weird. But boobs are weird, so...
Ted is almost twtbw? His dedication to jumping through hoops in order to scumread me is almost impressive. I'd really like to see updated thoughts and whether he checked out the links I posted.

Boobs ARE weird!

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:39 pm not to the same degree of confidence after your explanation on the seanzie / neon thing, but deep down yeah

but i can see the angle of you being a villager too. ik you think im a tunneler but im really not, i consider all angles at all times, it’s usually why i don’t go out of my way to post that many thoughts on a single player

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:11 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm I haven’t and i probably won’t

Assuming you're replying to me, then why did you ask for them?

I haven’t, i’ve just asked for the syndicate game

What i’ve asked for was your reasons for your legitimate concerns on six / sig and falcon at the time you’ve made that post

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:09 pm I haven’t and i probably won’t

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:08 pm Well, at least he’s more active ever since there is a proven chance he’s gonna die

Is that AI for him?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:52 pm I don't love that he's just sheeping Zenon everywhere but it almost has a town Clem feeling to it. I'm not convinced he's mafia.

who do u scumread the most rn and why?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 7:02 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:50 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:20 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:29 am Quiet barely active doesn't give a fuck falcon is usually town ime he just wolfed and actually tried I think falcon is very much the type of player who cares about not letting his pack down so he's more active when scum.

Also also he just pocketed me as wolf and I'm not sure he's try to do literally the exact same thing two games in a row. That's uh less likely to be true though.

I'd ask you to reconsider your thoughts here.
Town falcon is more aggressive and solvy. Wolf falcon become aggressive later game and starts making fake arguments. Read his iso, it won't take long. There is absolutely nothing about psv that would make him have such a firm read. He's doing the same thing seanzie did day 1 with me as the target.

And he's definitely pocketing you.

See, what happened last game was falcon was very aggressive very early with Zenge, Zenge snapped back, and falcon was mafia. Falcon was super aggressive then essentially dropped off the map.
I guess the point being I saw so much disagreement about falcon and his meta last game, and this point doesn't align with what I saw either, that I'm just going to ignore him and hope the wolves are elsewhere tbh

Have you played often with him?

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:20 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:29 am Quiet barely active doesn't give a fuck falcon is usually town ime he just wolfed and actually tried I think falcon is very much the type of player who cares about not letting his pack down so he's more active when scum.

Also also he just pocketed me as wolf and I'm not sure he's try to do literally the exact same thing two games in a row. That's uh less likely to be true though.

I'd ask you to reconsider your thoughts here.
Town falcon is more aggressive and solvy. Wolf falcon become aggressive later game and starts making fake arguments. Read his iso, it won't take long. There is absolutely nothing about psv that would make him have such a firm read. He's doing the same thing seanzie did day 1 with me as the target.

And he's definitely pocketing you.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 11:29 am Quiet barely active doesn't give a fuck falcon is usually town ime he just wolfed and actually tried I think falcon is very much the type of player who cares about not letting his pack down so he's more active when scum.

Also also he just pocketed me as wolf and I'm not sure he's try to do literally the exact same thing two games in a row. That's uh less likely to be true though.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 10:56 pm Looking at this poll, lemon, neon, pyxxy and falcon all look the most sus to me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:34 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:30 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:27 pm Psv, why have you mentioned nothing about seanzie being wagonned at EoD?

What to say?

Idk, you were posting as if you didn’t care for EoD and he was a villa read to you on last check

I don’t mean it to come across as a “gotcha” cuz i have some villa reads that i don’t care to see die

I was just curious as to what your thoughts were as EoD unfolded

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:27 pm Psv, why have you mentioned nothing about seanzie being wagonned at EoD?

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:25 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:20 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:15 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:09 pm Who is pops in this context?

Six is my husband, dennis's dad.

Is that in real life or like, virtually?

Real life!

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:20 pm I’m not dead. Was just ridiculously busy with work + army. I’ll be around somewhat tonight/tomorrow but at army so don’t expect much. I should be into normal swing by Monday so yay.

I did a quick skim to see who died. Good job team on mafia booo that a newbie was killed.

Quick fire thought?

1. Who has played with Camille before since I’m assuming this was first game for them here.

2. I’m cleaning Kate for the kill no other reaosns. Since not caught up. I don’t think she’d have signed off on a new player death N1

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:15 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:09 pm Who is pops in this context?

Six is my husband, dennis's dad.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:07 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:04 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:03 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:02 pm [VOTE: Six strings ] aubergine

Eh.

Eh why?
You disagree that jumping in, voting ted, and then ghosting was very strange behavior?

Hes played 2 games. That's his entire history of mafia. I think he's more lost and confused than wolfy.

@Dennis what do y9u think about pops?

I really wouldn't risk wasting a day on a six lynch this early in the game.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:03 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:02 pm [VOTE: Six strings ] aubergine

Eh.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:13 pm

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 3:37 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 6:12 pm I think of the people who have interacted with me, I feel best about Seanzie and Neon, since both are sticking to their guns in spite of thread flow-- Seanzie in saying my responses felt okay when others said they didn't, Neon saying they didn't feel okay when others said they had.

this, is what you said

My biggest concern with it, is that seanzie was voting for me. And he didn't even give a fake reason for it, so I'm not sure how he could be sticking to his guns in that instance.

Neon wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:11 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:09 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:24 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:02 pm Okay, I solved the game.

Is it me?

It's you, SPF and PSV.

Serious read.

Doubt there's one in here

Rule of 3

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:06 pm

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 4:00 pm I also felt like his post to Camilla about her potentially being the NK feels forced/performative rather than genuine.

could be!

i took it more as a "what wolf would post that type of thing" cuz i'd feel awkward making that kill now if i do post that, but who knows

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 3:57 pm it's not really high, it's more that there are a lot of null posters who idk how to sort

dennis' early response to me was good imo and then when he started talking about you we just mindmelded hard. guess he could've pocketed me but i think his accusation was fine. the only concerning thing is his seanzie progression but idt it's too wolfy barring his explanation

pyxxy could arguably be lowered, if im being honest she's just there cuz she posted a big ass wall to camilla when she called her out and thought it was villagery lol, i know it's bad but just slapped it there lmfao. didn't even read it

i think the strength of how it comes across is not the reality. the only really strong leans are the top 5, dennis and pyxxy are heaps lower than those other reads