The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:42 pm sig could be a wolf but he is showing a lack of any real self preservation intent by pushing on dennis

pyxxy had a progression on falcon throughout d1 and d2 that is very easy to see as a wolf awkwardly shifting their positioning once their other partner (seanzie) died, and his solving has felt the least sincere to me compared to my other townreads

so, willing to have my mind changed, willing to discuss it further, but that's where im at

that's the reason why I really want people to engage with my thoughts today, because if I'm wrong, I need help figuring out where

I came to the same conclusion as you in my reads list
And the "maybe you'll clear me if I don't post" feels... Not so good

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 2:10 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:39 pm Feels a bit like a shrug yeet but meh. Also, we should stop telling the mafia who to NK in the thread because now it's hard to read into the lemonfairy kill more than "3 people said she was obvitown" and if I did get NK'd, then there would be no analysis too
Yea I’m pretty confident Dennis is the way to go just by his last three posts

...no
Did you catch the six/Dennis tie? Not really mafia behavior.
Pushing Dennis right now is weird.

[VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:00 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 10:42 pm @Neon Where are you, POE wise? Narrow it down to three pls

Cool
Can you answer in non-GIF form?

Well heck, why did it tell me I couldn't make a post so soon after my last if it was going to post anyway? Now I look like a fool!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 11:13 pm might be a while yet but i hope ur still around in an hour or so

Not sure, might be asleep by then. If not I'll pop back around.
I finally spat out my reads on everyone still alive.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 11:13 pm might be a while yet but i hope ur still around in an hour or so

Not sure, might be asleep by then. If not I'll pop back around.
I finally spat out my reads on everyone still alive.

Dennis: Initially I doubted him due to the apparently strange timing and circumstances of his vote on Seanzie. However, he also voted falcon if I'm not mistaken. His response to the last minute tie with six didn't feel like a wolf in peril or flailing to stay alive. It felt like a townie who was startled and slightly irritated by the way things had gone down. Essentially lock town.
tedxtr: Also basically lock town. His behavior with falcon D2 just doesn't feel w/w at all imo. It would be some wildly impressive theatre but the more parsimonious option is ted is just town.
pyxxy: a player that's been sorta slipping under the radar for me. I like his posts a lot when he's around. Tossing the six/Dennis tie to RNG is... strange. I think it's odd he apparently had no opinion on which one was wolfier and was fine with either dying. I really don't know what to do with that. It's also incredibly weird behavior for a mafioso though because they would know both are town and not care which went over, so why draw attention by making it so dicey? Idk. Maybe someone else can enlighten me on pyxxy's actions there? I'm not sure. pyxxy is a question mark.
sig: I keep forgetting sig is playing. However I read his iso and I'm not really seeing him as mafia. He was sussing falcon a bit and while pretty absent is definitely putting forth effort while here, so... hm. Not as sus as I'd thought.
SPF: MEH. WEH. She could be a deepwolf I guess, but I'm really not feeling this is true. I want to respect Kate's legacy but even within the argument I didn't think SPF came off very scummy? Weird. She seems to be genuinely working on clearing people and POEing and such. Blah. Hard slot to solve but gut says she's town.
Neon: nyuh. I know I'm kinda alone in the scum read and okay, maybe there's some OMGUS. I'd really like to take her word for what she said about not killing Camilla N1. She does seem to have a lack of TMI re: falcon's alignment and I don't know what to do with that. yet she also triggers me.

Hm. Looking at this I think the player I feel worst about is... pyxxy?

! Someone is here!
Happy day!

@Neon Where are you, POE wise? Narrow it down to three pls

...sigh

@staypositivefriend Thoughts on sig?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:54 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:12 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town
He's not really been in the POE at all that I've noticed. I'm not sure why though. I hadn't even read any posts from him until yesterday, frankly.
do you mean like, besides your poe?

Sig? I'm talking about the vague, general consensus POE, yea

O wow, there's only seven of us left. Okay.
Lemme think... A game winning POE is probably sig, SPF, and neon. I don't really think SPF is scum but I guess if it gets to that point... Idk.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town

He's not really been in the POE at all that I've noticed. I'm not sure why though. I hadn't even read any posts from him until yesterday, frankly.

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:05 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:12 pm Fwiw I don't think Dennis's response to the tie between him and six yesterday felt super scummy. You could say he knew there was a chance of him living so he needed to maintain the charade of being town but even with that view, he still seemed more... Idk, genuine and innocent to me.
Dennis isn't my first choice for an elim this upcoming cycle.
Who is then

Undecided is a fair option I'm kind of there rn too

Probably still Neon. I plan to work on it... Sometime.

Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.

I still don't really think SPF is mafia either. I guess she'd be more of an "oh shit!" Panic vote.

Fwiw I don't think Dennis's response to the tie between him and six yesterday felt super scummy. You could say he knew there was a chance of him living so he needed to maintain the charade of being town but even with that view, he still seemed more... Idk, genuine and innocent to me.
Dennis isn't my first choice for an elim this upcoming cycle.

I don't see why we should wait around for the NK to be thinking, analyzing, considering. I think it's clear people in the POE like myself, Dennis, etc. will be spared. Just sitting and doing nothing is, imo, just giving the last goon a breather.

Such a lonely day
And it's mine
The most loneliest day of my life
Such a lonely day
Should be banned
It's a day that I can't stand

...
Where is everyone?

I think a trust fall is a good idea here. I should go through and list why I'm TRing each person and compare how strong the reasoning is.
...but later. I was at work for like eleven hours because SOMEONE'S ovary decided to tear.
It wasn't my ovary, for the record.

Neon wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 8:07 pm Killing obv town Neon for no reason is pretty wolfy milord

Yaren't obv town milady

Anyway I want to vote Neon again

Wowee

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:38 pm (according to me)

Sorry, I'm talking specifically about hanging out on SPF.
But I was going to kick myself off thread thirteen minutes ago.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:29 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 6:17 pm We have four tries, so I guess Dennis, pyxxy, SPF, six in the pool but not equally.
@potentialsheltervet -

im a bit confused by your current view of the game because you listed this four person POE of me/dennis/pyyxy/six, but then included neon shortly after

so what is your current POE? is it those four names + neon? how would u order that POE rn?

My POE is not that anymore
I'm no longer concerned about pyxxy or you
I'd say six > neon > dennis but I doubt it'll get to Dennis
If it were STILL going I'd be spicy and maybe even go for lemon because she is not making sense to me.

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:18 pm what do u think about my reasoning for sring sixstrings?
I think it makes sense coming from a town!you perspective
but I'm not really convinced on Six being scum

Six is an ~ok shrugyeet if it comes down to it

I just don't get why you're still voting SPF. I also want to respect Kate's legacy but you're saying her case on Six comes from a town perspective so...

Not really, but also I have to go to sleep soon and I'm only allowing myself a few more minutes of discussion
So I'm kinda at the point where I have to accept that I won't be interacting with either Neon or Six more before vote closes since I am absolutely not waking up early to check the thread, and when I typed it out I decided six was probably a better place to have my vote.

Meh
[VOTE: six ] aubergine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:20 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:18 pm what do u think about my reasoning for sring sixstrings?
Are you asking me?
it was directed at lemonfairy but i'd like to hear your answer too

Yeah, it wouldn't super surprise me if it were Sixstrings. I still feel weird about him popping in, saying he's busy, voting Ted, and fleeing, too. I don't like killing noobs because sometimes boobs are just... Scummy without being scum, but sometimes they're scummy and scum.
I think your reasoning is sound and makes sense to me.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:18 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:14 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:11 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:10 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:02 pm good question

i don't think that it's you

i don't think that it's neon

i don't think that it's ted

i can understand the paranoia around dennis but i don't think that it's him right now either. dennis does not strike me as the type of wolf who would want to hardbus both of his partners and try to sol oendgame, and he feels significantly more pure and explotary to me than the wolfgame i just saw from him like 4 months ago. i actually don't have him in my POE right now at all

to be blunt i've just been trying to figure out which name in psv, pyxxy, sig, and sixstrings i should hardclear so that i can create a game winning legacy if i get eliminated today

i'm leaning on just removing sig from that pool - i dont think that his play aligns with the mindset of a wolf who would want to hardbus and solo endgame (similar to my read on dennis), and i think he's been getting townier with each dayphase. my original concern about him was more his lack of posting than anything, but he has been getting consistently townier with each dayphase as he has been posting more/getting a stronger presence

so that leaves psv, pyxxy, sixstrings, and myself. am i happy with that being the game winning POE? maybe.

i think that psv "fits" as a partner to falcon in a very level 0 way but it's not actually how i expect W/W interaction to play out in most circumstances, and i think psv defended falcon in a needlessly hard way if she was actually wolfing with him, esp since falcon had given up and i wouldn't rly expect the final wolf to care about defending him

it could be pyxxy but any case i could even come up with against them is more: "i dont townread them as strongly as the other players and they dont have any interactions i have clearing", as opposed to anything they have done that i find genuinely wolf indicative

sixstrings............shrug. it's easy to conf bias and say that it's just him and that my reasons to townread him aren't as good as my reasons to townread everyone else (which is true!), but sometimes he does say stuff that make me feel like he is disconnected from the gamestate in a town indicative way

idk. being honest with you, i kind of think it might just be sixstrings
I want to say something like "you're just making the easiest push" but I get pocketed by posts like this
my rebuttal is that the easiest push has been correct for this entire game so far. i don't care if a push is easy, i just care if it's correct
Seanzie was not an easy push, I don't think
it was sudden
i want to say that he was the easiest push throughout a lot of d1 but i dont remember if this is actually true bcuz d1 feels like forever ago

D1 was kinda a crapshoot I think, when I came back to thread and was catching up I was shocked to see how many votes were on Seanzie

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:18 pm what do u think about my reasoning for sring sixstrings?

Are you asking me?

Jk I misremembered his PFP.
Carry on

Has six responded to the accusation that he's too aware of thread state? I've seen him around a bit but I don't think I've seen him respond to that specifically.
I do also think he's trying to soft his flavor with his PFP but that's pretty weak reasoning to not vote there.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:29 pmOmgus

Right, I town read you D1 for the way you were perceiving my play, even though I'm not scum, and now you're dismissing it as OMGUS? Okay.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:27 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 7:34 pm @Neon You still think it's me? What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to connect me and falcon as partners?
do u think that u and falcon are obviously not partners? why should i be clearing u rn?

and why do u think it's neon?

Falcon sheeped Neon by voting me D1 and D2. It's not impossible play for paired scum, but it's not optimal in a world where we just lost Seanzie.
Neon I'm not confident on but she was defending falcon, which I think is a good play given the early loss of Seanzie, throughout D2. She jumped on the Seanzie train pretty late.
I see what people are saying about her hellbus meta but she makes some sense as the last scum to me.

What's unfortunate is I work from 7 a.m. to about 4 p.m. tomorrow.
@Dennis Why are you voting me?

Haha didn't even see she'd voted me at some point.
@Neon You still think it's me? What kind of mental gymnastics are you doing to connect me and falcon as partners?

[VOTE: neon ] aubergine

SixStrings wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:32 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:13 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:06 pm Hmm that does beg the question... who still alive has played with Camilla before?
I think it's just me, SPF, and Neon
just out of curiousity, what does this have to do with anything? would knowing this mean anything analysis-wise?

Camilla was towning her butt off, but her being the N1 kill makes sense more for people who have played with her than for people who haven't imo.
I think SPF and Zenon are both still in my POE, but personal opinion leans more toward Zenon.

Hmm that does beg the question... who still alive has played with Camilla before?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:13 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Wed May 03, 2023 7:12 pm I think I feel fine about falcon, Neon, and Seanzie thus far.
is psv bold enough to townread both of her partners like this super early into the game?

Yes, but in this case I didn't.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 7:12 pm Maybe I'd be better for my headspace or whatever you youngins call it to just elim six but it's like what like 4 people have said about me: it's POSSIBLE, it COULD be right, but it doesn't FEEL right

But you said SPF doesn't feel right either.
Does anyone feel like campfire ghost stories, or is everyone a sweaty, humid night?

I... Kinda don't want to vote SPF.
That probably means everyone else should vote SPF.
I also feel like I should respect Kate's read because she's been on fire.
We have four tries, so I guess Dennis, pyxxy, SPF, six in the pool but not equally.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 5:35 pm @potentialsheltervet when you're scum, how do you feel like you give out reads?

Do you often townreads townies or your scummates or both? Do you push townies or do you prefer to bus your scummates? Or do you feel like you struggle posting reads as scum?

Varies on the game. I don't know my own scum meta. There is zero planning. I just do what feels right in the moment.
I feel like I struggle posting reads as scum, yes. I also feel like I struggle posting reads as town.
I prefer to avoid bussing scummates when possible. I like winning as a family.
I posted past scum games from SDN which are a way better reference than anything I say tbh

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:20 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:14 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:48 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that
yeah, he wasn't trying to live for sure

but his posts on psv are just ~bad, if she's my partner and im falcon, i probably just ignore her with his progression. there was thread momentum against psv previously (lemon / neon both voted, i was hard pushing) and he spends time making posts that make no logical sense w/r/t psv, which would make us feel compelled to flip her

so that just makes me feel like he was trying to set her up after his death. but all of this could be wifom idk
if you need some prompts about this exact topic, I'm busy rn but I wrote some questions that I think are good and helpful to research

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 1:32 pm [VOTE: PSV] aubergine
why?
tbd but

Seanzie died with his vote on Kate (who was 99% town and is now obv town and will soon be dead town bc obv town)

falcon died with his vote on Kate (lol) but voted PSV earlier here

falcon also ended with his vote on PSV D1

did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?
the last bit
"did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?"
yeah this seems to be a reasonable angle too, which is likely wifom

but dunno. if psv is a villa then they had really unfortunate progressions and actions with the wolf guys. from villa reading sean based on something that ~didn't happen, to holding a villa read on falcon that she was willing to brush by and then defending him on the basis of "idk these meta points are clashing back to back which makes me think it's a miss"

i feel like even for myself i wouldn't go to that level of powerwolfing in terms of defending team mates
She doesn't seem invested in the game enough to go to that level of effort and planning.

Oh no, I'm not uninvested! I'm just tired, worked almost 10 hours yesterday and 8 today, and have bad reads this game.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:14 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:48 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that
yeah, he wasn't trying to live for sure

but his posts on psv are just ~bad, if she's my partner and im falcon, i probably just ignore her with his progression. there was thread momentum against psv previously (lemon / neon both voted, i was hard pushing) and he spends time making posts that make no logical sense w/r/t psv, which would make us feel compelled to flip her

so that just makes me feel like he was trying to set her up after his death. but all of this could be wifom idk
if you need some prompts about this exact topic, I'm busy rn but I wrote some questions that I think are good and helpful to research

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 1:32 pm [VOTE: PSV] aubergine
why?
tbd but

Seanzie died with his vote on Kate (who was 99% town and is now obv town and will soon be dead town bc obv town)

falcon died with his vote on Kate (lol) but voted PSV earlier here

falcon also ended with his vote on PSV D1

did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?
the last bit
"did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?"
yeah this seems to be a reasonable angle too, which is likely wifom

but dunno. if psv is a villa then they had really unfortunate progressions and actions with the wolf guys. from villa reading sean based on something that ~didn't happen, to holding a villa read on falcon that she was willing to brush by and then defending him on the basis of "idk these meta points are clashing back to back which makes me think it's a miss"

i feel like even for myself i wouldn't go to that level of powerwolfing in terms of defending team mates

I have hope to actually vote the last wolf. Thus far I've been their unofficial teammate apparently.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:03 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that
He probably knew I wasn't going to stfu, sometimes I get a little obsess-y when I think I'm right. It worked out ok this time though.

I guess lesson learned from n=2 games on TS: always vote falcon

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