The Syndicate

MAc told Lucy their thing was BS then went to bed and came back and was convinced otherwise, what game are you reading????

FTR I still would believe Mac is town over SPF just based on how they treated the mechanical info.

wait yeah lol

pls dont get yourself removed from the game

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:22 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?
Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be
two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

Wait why
I dont want to go over postcap.
I really really dont want to go over postcap

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:22 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?
Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be
two things

1) players who go over post cap do not get cards
2) can you go over post cap today

and just iso me and jack and understand we are rational actors

I've been trusting the mech since more or less when i did certain things which you aware of what i did all im doing is just rehashing and reviewing.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:14 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:13 pm Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.
Didn't lucy say one of sig/Porscha must be the zealot?

Ah yup which means theres 1 in SPF/Mac barring the ??? being players that we do not expect them to be

Mac's statement isnt accurate, either SPF isnt outed or Seanzie did a bad.

It only takes Creature being zealot, in order for lucy's argument to fall apart which I think is what Mac figured out kinda.

Creature doesn't even need to have drawn Judgement.

The only thing stopping Mac/SPF containing mafia is Seanzie just being wrong.

Actually first, do you even agree that the Judgement card was played?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:57 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.
Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.
that does not make logical sense

We are as town to assume that

A. The Oracle saw that one of SPF, Macdougall, and ???, played the Judgement card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have played it.
B. The Oracle saw that one of Sig, Porscha, and ???, drew the Death card, and whoever ??? is confirmed to not have drawn it.

Do you agree or disagree?

For reference, I still understand absolutely none of this game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 6:53 pm Okay I just read all the roles and the only world SPF is not outed is if Creature is literally Zealot and drew the Judgement card but didn't use it.

Well yeah if you didn't get to this conclusion eventually I would've been worried.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 2:20 pm @sig there are worlds where you are town because of porscha's vote, i'd like you to reread all of d5 again but more closely, you will not be voting tutuu if you do

and if you are town then porscha is outed mafia from your point of view

My new question is, explained the crap that happened yesterday from a POV where Sig/Creature town and Mac/SPF mafia.

To summarize.

The No Hang means someone played the Judgement card that they received the night before the hang.

The person who received the Judgement card is within Mac/SPF/ ????

And ??? Better be Seanzie or smth otherwise I will flip out.

So since a Judgement card was used, one of Mac/SPF/??? played it.

Ok so >=1 in Mac/SPF or smtg

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:52 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:47 pm My interpretation has been that the Judgement card can be only played once not drawn only once, whoever holds a Judgement card immediately loses their ability to use it if someone else uses it.

Hold up lemme check smth. I might be able to allude to knowing this has to be true.
why do you question my mech?

don't you understand i've gone through every step you've gone through and have came to the mechanically correct conclusion which effects my perspective of the game outing one in spf/mac minimum

do you not see the concerted effort to ignore the mech because it outs players?

You broke my trust once tbh.

Okay the math gets better for Lucy's POV.

Oop might be a while.

Honestly this setup makes no sense and shouldve been clarified ages ago.

I will go do "insrt here blah blah blah" i cant talk

Ok lets see how to go about wording this.

My interpretation has been that the Judgement card can be only played once not drawn only once, whoever holds a Judgement card immediately loses their ability to use it if someone else uses it.

Hold up lemme check smth. I might be able to allude to knowing this has to be true.

Curious though. What player do you think is most similar to sig/porscha.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 1:09 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.
@Bereft why did you not consider this theoretically possible scenario?

Its obviously theoretically possible that one of Mac and SPF played the judgement card that saved Creature. Its rather obvious that you picked Mac/SPF/prolly Seanzie because theyre now conftown but werent previously. The issue is that I dont care because I think Mac and SPF are town and the math on that judgement card being the only judgement card in play is horrible.

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:25 pm tutuu stop posting

schweppes, read back up from d5 start and trust that i’m telling the truth and understand mechanics

Srsly, Schweppes?

Im dipping until whenever someone has something interesting to say.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:25 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:23 pm She didnt even say she got a red peek on Sabi wtf.
ISO her. she did

she got a red on spf + sabi

to be honest i dont even understand it, idc, i trust her

????????

You know, if you were trying to convince me of anything, it would help if you read the thread carefully like a villager world. I only do with facts and logic sorry.

You should've just said, "I trust her". And guess what, if Lucy wants to proclaim Mac/SPF are simultaneously outed due to personal reads, I am free to claim theyre both simultaneously obvious $%#!ing town due to personal reads.

She didnt even say she got a red peek on Sabi wtf.

Hmm, its confirmed that the zealot is voting for tutuu right now, that's an interesting one.

I am now having second doubts about this piece of info because I now realize this information could also have been abused but I really don't want to think about this.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 12:07 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 11:57 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:22 am @staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.
I think it would be very hard for us to be misled into thinking that zealot in Sig/Porscha is not good info and you should reread if you didnt know this.
My understanding was that sig/porscha is the one who played the card that stopped the chop. I could have forgotten already.

I give up at this point. No and no.

Town: Bereft/Lucy/Mac/SPF/Sabi/Falcon

Zealot Pool: Porscha/Sig
Rest: Creature/Tutuu/Dennis/Wilgy/Jack

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:22 am I feel like I'm being obvious town right now.

You have been most of all game, yes.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 8:01 am My current theory is that town Creature used judgement and saved himself lol.

And how exactly does Creature not do something to indicate this may be the case if we did live in that world?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:53 am Porscha who has fallen off a cliff
Jack
Wilgy
Tutuu
Dennis

This is my final solve.

Wait nevermind I don't get it. Where's Creature. Team is within 7, Zealot is within 2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 7:53 am Porscha who has fallen off a cliff
Jack
Wilgy
Tutuu
Dennis

This is my final solve.

Wow that was really easy. I mean yeah. The team is basically within 6 people, zealot within 2.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:22 am @staypositivefriend please persuade me that Creature is not zealot. I don't want to chop him again and it not work.

I think it would be very hard for us to be misled into thinking that zealot in Sig/Porscha is not good info and you should reread if you didnt know this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 14, 2023 3:16 am @falcon45ca
@Sabiplz
@staypositivefriend
@Bereft
@sig
@Porscha

If any of you are intending to vote for myself or SPF today and sheep Lucy please let me know because I'm not going to try very hard if the game is already over.

If the 7 of us can coalesce and vote together on a mafia that'd be great.

I have no intent obviously.

Sig, we get it, you're zealot.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 11:11 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 9:23 pm We should turbo Creature again. Hard agree.

Kills wagonomics but who cares.
No we shouldn't

You're supposed to be arguing why you are town even though you just got saved from the chop, and no one is (probably) going to allude to the idea that they caused it.

DESCRIBE THE PLAY/POST NOT THE PERSON

SRSLY

To reword because I don't think you guys understand what I said there.

I don't believe SPF is mafia based on their reaction today.

Can we all please turbo Creature so that I can finally be NKed and have out of this game. I don't see this situation ending well, even when Mac is wolfing here.

I don't believe Mac and SPF are wolf together and thats final. Ill be open to one of them being, not both.

I'm so done.

Just turbo Creature.

Lucy has good intentions, thats all I can really say.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:41 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm Lucy’s third target was Seanzie. Seanzie died and flipped vanilla town.

Judgement played by Seanzie/SPF/Mac. Ergo, at least one wolf in SPF/Mac.

Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:38 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:36 pm If townies could stop throwing fits about how the oracle is making shit up, that would be great. Because there are more than 5 players being insanely wolfy right now.
How about you read the setup.
How bout you read the setup?

Same for @Sabiplz @Dennis @staypositivefriend

Can you stop being obtuse when its extremely clear that I've done so.

You've posted straight nonsense today ever since "oh no the entire towncore is mafia"

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:37 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:34 pm can we not talk about whateve rlucy might have said with regard to whether their abilities worked.
We can't make a mistake atp in the game so yes I want to know why lucy is posting conflicting stuff.

Based on setup I don't believe that its possible to interfere with Oracle abilities. Happy now?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 13, 2023 10:36 pm If townies could stop throwing fits about how the oracle is making shit up, that would be great. Because there are more than 5 players being insanely wolfy right now.

How about you read the setup.

can we not talk about whateve rlucy might have said with regard to whether their abilities worked.

The Oracle learns who drew which card, literally stop telling saying things that allude to the Oracle learning who played which card. Cards do not need to be played, they can be kept and discarded.

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