The Syndicate

I will also just flat out state that 100 percent not both town and if you guys wanted a surefire way to catch a wolf just mow down the two of them.

Sig/Falcon/Jack/Creature/Tutuu ?

I have trouble seeing worlds where Jack and Creature aren't both mafia, and Tutuu nonchalantly going "they're too wolfy to be wolf" is ...

Creature was a competing wagon yesterday yet the thread stayed placid. My instinct was that the wagons were on players of the same alignment, which is annoying.

I currently have Kate/Tutuu as a difference check as well, but I will elaborate more when I'm finished drawing things out as I see it currently.

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:15 pm Why am I being read for emotion reasons and not for like, my reads? I genuinely feel like everyone is ignoring me now

Your content has been fine, I haven't managed to come up with a good reason to explain why they are good though.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:08 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:46 am I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.
From those saying Roxy was in anti-spew I noticed SPF and Tutuu. We're there any others to your knowing?

Felt like that would've been another easy means to push, but would wolves double dip on the argument?

I don't know. It's easy to hide behind a general sense of "Roxy is the obvious hang" which was playing out yesterday.

On the topic of heart vs. logic, I still townread Dennis for heart reasons, and while I'm not going to remove them from partner analysis for due diligence reasons, I don't see myself voting them for a while.

Free points to whoever is able to discern my tone correctly in all of this towards tutuu.

Oh no, did tutuu disappear? Disappointing.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 11:27 am When bereft comes in the thread he will start screeching at me making Dennis a wagon. Mafia is close to winning and hes in a powerwolf with Dennis mindset

Just watch

Poor Dennis. Getting wagoned just out of soneone trying to spite another player.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:03 am
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 4:52 pm This game confuses me currently but I haven't been able to articulate why.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:38 pm
Spoiler: show
This is the town inre: lucy/Alison:

No one seems able to move past the fact that:
A) I *am* a notoriously low poster does not mean idc or do not have accurate reads
B) Alison has been wrong about Neon, fs and now me.
C) If you keep following someone that is no better than *you* to figure out this game the town will lose.

I am not in "antispew". It is something I have never done. Why? Bc mostly when I am bad I am not caught, not bragging just saying.

Lucy has done fuck all to help solve. She cannot read anyone better than YOU!

Be better. Do better. Try to pull your heds out of your asses.

I would thank certain people and give final reads but you fuckers do not deserve one ounce of my help.
I dare ANY of you to ask why after the game ends.

I send every good vibe to the mafia. I hope you win <3

his post was before roxy's post if u look at the timestamps, he literally had no reason to suspect anything was off with roxy since she has literally made 0 posts at that point (between him convinced shes an anti spewing and this)

@staypositivefriend

Ah, so now we argue via "Bereft is not allowed to think thoughts over long periods of time and do smart things and go against consensus and reevaluate other parts of Roxy's play" which BTW, everyone saw me clearly doing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:55 am i would like people to give me their opinions on wilgy and falcon please

Have not changed from they're clearly unpartnered and would rather vote Wilgy who probably TMI'ed Falcon town.

Great we're sort of on the same page.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 4:16 am I have decided to townread Jack for bad reasons.

I still think Tutuu is the key wolf.

I think Wilgy shielding Sabi from Falcon is mafia shielding town with TMI from another town.

I really just have nfi anymore. I want out.

Oh so you also think Wilgy has been dropping TMI.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:45 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:46 pm Just skimming Seanzie's iso.

Day 1 and day 2 he campaigned for Baudib to die. Baudib was the towniest player in the game.

He shielded Alison then voted her at the end.

He has tunneled me relentlessly.

Hes shielded actual scummy players.

Just kill him.
(tbf I think you were the only one who thought baudib was the towniest player in the game day 1)

I also thought baudib was the towniest player and think Lucy thought something similar.

I was not the one pushing Roxy is obviously in antispew lets kill her, people who actually read my iso wouldve thought Ive was performing sone hedgy BS with respect to my Roxy read and I was clearly advocating for non-Roxy votes until I just gave up due to no one caring.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:35 am bereft, spf, dennis, falcon, porscha

hows this sound?

It sounds like the team was literally made up to include as little wolves as possible. If I had been asked yesterday 0/5. This is not a real solve and you know it.

My fault, ignore.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:40 pm why the fuck did we shoot Rondo?

OMFG

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did you just scumslip
and i just copied the wording

AHAHAHHAHAHAHA

We shot Rondo because he is the most obvious town and everybody and their momma has been tinfoiling Mac/SPF/Bereft all of yesterday.

Jack/Creature being w/w would be weird but their interactions have been weirding me out forever so I'll take it. I am currently of the opinion that Kate/Sabi is town and even if I were to entertain them being mafia, they're at minimum not paired with tutuu.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:27 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:24 pm How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.
In what world is tutuu being ignored?

By Wilgy et. al

The Mac/SPF/Bereft thing is getting pretty old. We're not the only deepwolf candidates in the game.

How is tutuu being a wolf ignored in all of this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:11 pm
My read is that a group {SPF, Mac, Bereft} should be leading us, and they aren't so the group has wolves.

I have not been complicit in the gamestate. My reads have been ignored and none of the people I have pushed for have gotten chopped. The only effect I've had on the gamestate is that I've defended people like Falcon and Creature, because I think they're more likely town than not, and I think I've helped avoid wagons on them.

You spent yesterday arguing with us, how were we supposed to direct anyone when no one trusts us.

Sig has been going against the grain by ... shouting at everyone to not follow Alsion's legacy. Did you notice that one?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:00 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:35 pm Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.
What generated this list? Again, idk how to catch SPF without a PoE, but if this one is valid we can go from there.

No, we cannot go from there.
The list generated from my brain figuring out that the reason I consider Roxy as town yesterday was because I was missing wolves and therefore that I was probably wrong about some of my townreads.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Why SPF? Meta thing? When I've caught SPF before it was due to PoE.

No. *when the game is obviously hard e.g. ive obviously whiffed on most people below SPF*

Why are you voting sig?

SPF, why are you voting Kate?
Kate isn't being obviously wolfy, they've posted nothing all game, just vote Jack or smth.
I was wrong to ignore my Roxy null read and I'm not going to ignore my nullreads now.

Seanzie/SPF/Falcon does probably in fact contain exactly one wolf was the only thing I gathered overnight.

If anyone wants to talk me about interactions and consequently possible scumteam worlds then I'd love to talk, don't think I will make any earthshattering revelations about individual players at the moment.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:27 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Tue Jan 10, 2023 9:23 pm I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.
Game is clearly hard. Fact that you refuse to acknowledge that is bad.

Regardless of whether you like it or not, 2 and a half wolves are always in plain sight and the fact that you refuse to acknowledge this and instead push SPF with no justification other than "game hard" is bad. At least make a scumcase or something, or even better, explain why everyone else is town.

I also think that when the game is hard we obviously vote out SPF, but now is not then.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:57 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:57 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
you're missing sig
Im not.
why do u townread him

I just slightly think neither Wilgy nor Roxy are partnered with sig.

Hmmm

Maybe replace sig with wilgy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:53 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
you're missing sig
I don't think Wilgy is mafia.

If Wilgy is town, I don't know who I'm replacing them with.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:51 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:49 pm How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .
you're missing sig

Im not.

How about Roxy/Kate/Jack/Wilgy/Tutuu .

Mac you don't need to publish my thoughts.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:20 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:17 pm If one puts:

Bereft
lucy
RondoDimBuckle
MacDougall
Porscha
Seanzie
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca

as town, then the game is near locked so I don't quite see the issue here.
Do you think all these players are town?

I do.

I think Rondo is about as near IC status as lucy is. You're literally an IC. Porscha feels great. Seanzie feels grounded even if insane and seems obviously confbiased. SPF just feels like v!SPF. Falcon I'm going on a meta read that no one to this point actually disagrees with.

I'm willing to bet

lucy
Rondo
Mac
Dennis
Porscha

town with my life and expect max 1 w in

Seanzie
SPF
Falcon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:15 pm We are in the midgame so I am just going to force myself not to weathervane cuz if I'm wrong we probably are going to lose and if I'm right we will lose unless I stop playing badly.

@falcon45ca @Seanzie @RondoDimBuckle @DrWilgy

I believe you four are town. I need you to find me town or I am going to be nothing but a distraction and it will continue to cyclically frustrate me all game. Whatever suspicion you have towards me needs to die now or this game will be a loss for town imo.

@staypositivefriend @Bereft I am choosing to disregard tinfoil towards you both. I am willing to just mason with you ride or die.

Thanks.

How did I forget Dennis

If one puts:

Bereft
lucy
RondoDimBuckle
MacDougall
Porscha
Seanzie
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca

as town, then the game is near locked so I don't quite see the issue here.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:04 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 8:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 7:57 pm i dont really have a lot to say before the day ends

im here while multitasking at work if anyone wants to talk to me i guess
Do you agree both Roxy and sig are wolves? Where would you go next excluding me?
i am struggling to come to a world where roxy/sig/jack/sabi/tutuu does not contain the majority of the wolfteam

Is this supposed to be problematic?

The post being fascinating had nothing to do with me justifying a wolfread on you.
If you want data, then respond to the fact that you've made barely any posts today like I said.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:53 pm
Bereft wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:48 pm How about Jack/Creature, do people think they can be partnered.
lol I am already being partnered with two of my wolfreads. May as well add a third.

My point is that I don't think you're partnered.
What's your read on me anyways, thanks for reminding me, and not just like, "oh town".

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 6:51 pm @Bereft -

there is a somewhat awkward shift between creature shotgun townreading roxy early on:

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 2:40 pm I think Roxy is town. They're being too deliberately provocative.
to creature capitulating to the threadstate consensus that roxy is wolfy and pushing on her and calling her one of his top townreads

creature did not form a real scumread on roxy until roxy was being widely suspected, and prior to that point, he tried to defend her. roxy made a point of throwing out creature's name as a point of suspicion a few times but never really pursued the read further. i see no reason why they are incompatible

Eh, circumstantially with Creature being a competing wagon D1, I'm hesitant but I understand the opposition.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 11:16 am
sig wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:53 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 09, 2023 10:43 am
sig wrote: ↑Sat Jan 07, 2023 9:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:37 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 10:32 pm Someone talk to me about Sig, if you want. I can't make you
They were one of the sketchiest votes on Alison and I kinda thought his D1 entrance was forced. Also it feels like his wolfread on me was pure OMGUS and was implying I was pushing him for being known LHF (when he's clearly not being LHF this game).
Why was I the sketchiest vote? This narrative makes no sense .

Can’t comment on forced D1 it’s how I always come in I was joking it’s whatever.

I am/was LHF and used to be frequently misvoted, this is a very odd take. Plus my name keeps getting brought up meaning I’m still in the mix/LHF this game
Is Creature weaving a false narrative in your mind? What's your read on them?
I’d throw creature down as a scum lean, there response to me have been off for most of the game (I guess this falls more into the gut read camp) and he seems to be more actively pushing wagons than civ creature does.

I’d be curious to see if this Roxy flip is current since he’s been pushing it, but if she flips civ he’d be someone I’m eyeing a lot more.

He’s also on my ISO list so I’ll have more infor here soon
This post feels very teammate indicative if Creature flips W.

This is a fascinating post.

I've discovered that Dr. Wigly has been dropping off hard this game.

How about Jack/Creature, do people think they can be partnered.

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