The Syndicate

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 6:59 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 6:57 pm I was actually just wrong everywhere so I'm gonna say good job psv, Neon, and Kate and never talk about my play in this game ever again
Eh, don’t be too hard on yourself.

Gamestate was basically right into “find the deepwolf” when you began playing seriously and that’s basically the hardest part of the game.

But all I did was get poe'd into oblivion and lose wim this game

I don't think I even really solved at all I don't deserve this win

I was actually just wrong everywhere so I'm gonna say good job psv, Neon, and Kate and never talk about my play in this game ever again

SPF YOURE A TERRIFYING MAFIA PLAYER YOU DID REALLY GOOD AND SLAM DUNKED ME

NEON YOURE ALSO THE BEST

PSV YOURE THE BEAT

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 6:13 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 3:38 pm Well it looks like me dying here is actually kind of necessary, though I'd still rather not

If I am ever in f3 with sig I get bombed no matter the other person and there's 0 chance either of us get nk'd in that case
I mean, everyone would rather not die. At the same time only 2/5 people are currently voting.
If you weren't allowed to scumread sig, who'd you pick?

That's the thing - for me everyone else is so much higher than sig and I have a pretty hard time scumreading anyone else

Not you, and I don't know whether or not to listen to myself about the neon thing i brought up before so I am really stuck between neon and spf

Well it looks like me dying here is actually kind of necessary, though I'd still rather not

If I am ever in f3 with sig I get bombed no matter the other person and there's 0 chance either of us get nk'd in that case

sig wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 11:48 am Also I’ll add I think civ Dennis would’ve participated in the let’s vote off three people and include me which he didn’t do here.

The who now

sig oh my god how did you do this in 64 posts

Neon wrote: ↑Tue May 16, 2023 1:59 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:34 pm if sig is mafia, why does he kill ted? why does he hard push on falcon early into d2 before falcon was even a consensus scumread?

if psv is mafia, why does she go out of her way to try to prevent me from dying when i could be an easy miselimination from her pov? (unless she's specifically trying to keep me alive for 3 way so that i will vote with her i guess)

dennis positioning me at the bottom of his readslist today after seeming p confident i was town in prior phases does have me paranoid that he's just setting himself up to eliminate me and then win in the f3 but
I rarely ever order readlists

It's like, a lot of have people said you're scum but I genuinely don't understand why

Like I don't think I've seen a case, but I can't exactly ignore the ghosts of the past yelling that you're bad
Hmm why not though?

That's why I'm starting to consider it

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:06 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:58 pm What are the reasons in these tho
i mean, you tell me. you're the one who has been acting confident that i'm town for the majority of this game

so, on the day when the wolf most likely needs to get me eliminated to win the game, you suddenly saying: "i don't know why i townread SPF" is a bit paranoia inducing, as i'm sure you can understand

I meant the way you worded that post suggested that I stated reasons in those posts as to why I tr'd you, but you were more implying that I was implying I had specific reasons I think

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 11:06 pm dennis, if u and me are both town, who is the mafia?

bro idfk im so scared rn

Sig, I think. I'm genuinely having a really hard time NOT tring like everyone but him at this point

To be clear, I'm not saying I've like switched up and I'm tunneling you now, I'm getting paranoid and reevaluating someone who I've haven't put too much thought into. Which I absolutely didn't make clear before but

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:57 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:34 pm if sig is mafia, why does he kill ted? why does he hard push on falcon early into d2 before falcon was even a consensus scumread?

if psv is mafia, why does she go out of her way to try to prevent me from dying when i could be an easy miselimination from her pov? (unless she's specifically trying to keep me alive for 3 way so that i will vote with her i guess)

dennis positioning me at the bottom of his readslist today after seeming p confident i was town in prior phases does have me paranoid that he's just setting himself up to eliminate me and then win in the f3 but
I rarely ever order readlists

It's like, a lot of have people said you're scum but I genuinely don't understand why

Like I don't think I've seen a case, but I can't exactly ignore the ghosts of the past yelling that you're bad
shrug

it's less the order of the readlist for me and more you saying that you "don't know" why you've been townreading me, as though your townread on me appeared out of thin air and isnt something youve been confidently repping for this entire game

Understandable, I suppose

I've done this as town before where I realize I'm just kinda TRing for little reason, in the champs practice game. It was whatever day tutuu died, if you'd like to look at that

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:54 pm dennis's character arc in this game is basically just a Shakespeare play

Precisely

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:45 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:34 pm dennis positioning me at the bottom of his readslist today after seeming p confident i was town in prior phases does have me paranoid that he's just setting himself up to eliminate me and then win in the f3 but
Hmm, was he townreading you previously? If so that's a bit sus.
I think overall my reads are:
SPF
sig
Dennis
Neon

But I could go either way on voting those last two.
yeah i mean, these are the most recent things dennis said about me before he put me at the bottom of his list:

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:59 pm I have been townreading SPF for more or less the entire game, and I don't think Kate's case was super compelling because I think she misunderstood what spf was saying. So while you are following consensus and that's whatever, I don't think it's really alignment indicative cause you're new, I have my own reasons to disagree

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:54 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:32 pm probably just gonna afk until the night kill

not sure there's much for us to be gained here

sorry for the rand dennis but you know I gotta do it to ya

I guess maybe the one discussion to have it, do we actually just sheep Kate now? for realsies?
In a world where spf is mafia, I 1. Look like an ABSOLUTE doofus and 2. Have been pocketed so hard and I don't want to accept that
so, dennis suddenly saying:

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:19 pm SPF, I dunno why. I feel like she should be lower honestly, I think I'm just seeing a ton of words and going "yup!"
...is hard for me to swallow. because he made it very clear that his townread on me was based on specific reasons, and i don't buy that he suddenly "doesn't know why" he townreads me

What are the reasons in these tho

These are more me saying "I don't see why I should scumread you", not so much why I townread you but now I'm down to 4 suspects so having to reason to scumread isn't very compelling

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:34 pm if sig is mafia, why does he kill ted? why does he hard push on falcon early into d2 before falcon was even a consensus scumread?

if psv is mafia, why does she go out of her way to try to prevent me from dying when i could be an easy miselimination from her pov? (unless she's specifically trying to keep me alive for 3 way so that i will vote with her i guess)

dennis positioning me at the bottom of his readslist today after seeming p confident i was town in prior phases does have me paranoid that he's just setting himself up to eliminate me and then win in the f3 but

I rarely ever order readlists

It's like, a lot of have people said you're scum but I genuinely don't understand why

Like I don't think I've seen a case, but I can't exactly ignore the ghosts of the past yelling that you're bad

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 9:56 pm I would love if we could get some more discussion going.
Can everyone list their POE?
Can everyone list the people/person they would not vote today?

My list is looking somehting like

psv
spf

sig
neon

I have started really vibing with your constant efforts of getting us up and going. watch me get pocketed god that would be so funny

SPF, I dunno why. I feel like she should be lower honestly, I think I'm just seeing a ton of words and going "yup!"

Sig is tunnelled on me, and being tunnelled on a town this close to limlo isn't very towny, but I kinda wanna read more on him talking about other people before I make up my mind

Neon I feel like I've cleared off of falcon's treatment for too long, but this is the EXACT type of situation in which I would push neon and lose the game so that alone is making me not really want to kill neon. So I guess it's more like

psv
neon

sig
spf

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 6:40 pm I'm not rereading, but I'm... Back on neon. Dennis doesn't feel right, don't think it's sig, don't think it's SPF.
Getting reads from Neon feels like pulling teeth.

Elaborate on me not feeling right please

Hmm this flavor poll isn't food

meh

mmmm sumblok

ooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooo I'm a scary poltergeist who ghosted this game

We flipped pyxxy, which is fair I guess. Do we have a ss of the final poll or no

Sig - my push on you was solely that you were not present at all. By D4 you had like 3 posts in total so like what am I meant to do, sit there and let the idea that it could literally just be you fester until limlo, or kill you? And it looks like you misinterpreted that as I thought you being silent was scummy, which is not what I meant. Either way you've started saying things now so it's literally whatever to me

Pyxxy I have no super strong feels either way, but somewhere along the line I decided I was townreading him

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:48 pm kicks thread violently
We need town consensus on sig and pyxxy. So @sig why dennis over pyxxy?
@Dennis why sig other than omgus?
Does anyone have strong reasons to town read pyxxy?
Does anyone have strong reasons to scum read sig?

I said before, having him around is doing nothing for us other than making us go "hmm what if it's just sig" and if we don't kill him, he's never getting NKd and will just be a liability in limlo

It's better we do this asap so we still have other mischops before limlo

Coming in and omgusing me isn't the best look in my opinion

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 2:10 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:39 pm Feels a bit like a shrug yeet but meh. Also, we should stop telling the mafia who to NK in the thread because now it's hard to read into the lemonfairy kill more than "3 people said she was obvitown" and if I did get NK'd, then there would be no analysis too
Yea I’m pretty confident Dennis is the way to go just by his last three posts

...go on

Why do you think that

Actually not so much a shrug yeet, but idk. Feels bad that he was absent but it's gonna be a liability in limlo

Feels a bit like a shrug yeet but meh. Also, we should stop telling the mafia who to NK in the thread because now it's hard to read into the lemonfairy kill more than "3 people said she was obvitown" and if I did get NK'd, then there would be no analysis too

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

I think all of those past 30 posts actually went into my brain and stole all of my thoughts minus the clearing me which I don't really follow still

My idea that the final mafia is just sig is growing and growing. Either way I kinda think we should kill him at this point because if we don't and we keep screwing up, we're stuck with him in limlo and then it's just a 50/50

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.

Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:12 pm Fwiw I don't think Dennis's response to the tie between him and six yesterday felt super scummy. You could say he knew there was a chance of him living so he needed to maintain the charade of being town but even with that view, he still seemed more... Idk, genuine and innocent to me.
Dennis isn't my first choice for an elim this upcoming cycle.

Who is then

Undecided is a fair option I'm kind of there rn too

Mmmmmmm chcolate imce crem

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:32 pm probably just gonna afk until the night kill

not sure there's much for us to be gained here

sorry for the rand dennis but you know I gotta do it to ya

I guess maybe the one discussion to have it, do we actually just sheep Kate now? for realsies?

In a world where spf is mafia, I 1. Look like an ABSOLUTE doofus and 2. Have been pocketed so hard and I don't want to accept that

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:09 pm it must feel weird to kill ur own dad

Yeah a little bit

Damn

Happy birthday Valerie

I feel like I actually shouldn't be posting until the flip so I'll stop now just in case

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:04 pm don't wipe your nose with your sleeve

sorry it's just unbearable sometimes

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:04 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:03 pm *wipes nose with sleeve* how's your guys day been
*hands over a tissue*

*blows nose* thanks. Allergies yknow

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:03 pm pyxxy and SPF are w/w
they planned this together

that EOD was outing

wolfy post

theres only one mafia left SILLY!!! THEY COULDNT HAVE THIS IS ACTUALLY OUTING!!!!!

*wipes nose with sleeve* how's your guys day been

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:00 pm wait why did the poll close an hour early??

Nope eod is now

so um

*cough* guess we're here now

I'm telling my mom on you

pyxxy why would you do that.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:58 pm randing for the meme o7

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

PYXXY YOU STINKER

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:24 pm im considering just putting my vote back on sixstrings because im not really brave enough to flashwagon anyone else right now
alternatively, we could let it rand for the memes

woah woah woah hey now slow down there

@pyxxy why do you think you're living in wifom world atm?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:12 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:03 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:47 pm Dude the wolf is just gonna be something annoying like sig literally watch this happen
sig has not left my radar

I did almost push us to vote sleep today

scummy af but I was just like, maybe we learn more from who the last scum decides to kill, since there's no consensus towncore atm (imo? or am I wrong? tell me who you think is towncore rn :3)
Actually I'm going to make that last part an official question for the thread ™:

Who do you have as towncore/townlock/firmly town right now, if anyone?

A possible venn diagram with:

If we're wrong today, who do you think the night kill will be?

Lemonfairy is probably the nk if we're wrong

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:02 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:08 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:40 pm Okay so I'm top wagon which is CRINGE but I'm still struggling to see why I'm being voted, unless it is purely my votes being bad and looking bus-like(which admittedly they are)

If someone could put that into like one post or something, that would be great

Currently I'd be down to chop like, psv/pyxxy/six is kind of my remaining poe
mind going through each with a quick why?
What if you answered my question first
in my defense you didn't put a question mark on it and stuffed it inside what seemed like a rhetorical moment

for me, I'm voting you because both of your votes look bad + were opportunistic busses, which I think fits with what I perceive to be your comfort level of bussing for a seanzie/falcon scummate pair. both are experienced players and while falcon would be open to being bussed as needed, I doubt that that would have been the plan from SOD D2, thus the timing of your vote

the defense of your falcon vote is that 3 is not a confirmed death, but 4 is, and so putting falcon at 4 yesterday deserves at least some townie cred

the counter of the defense is that you and falcon are smart enough to know this. and so actually I would have found you way more townie if you never voted falcon / voted him really late in the day (please consider me in full WIFOM mode)

then D2 like I said I was surprised that you were afraid of me or at least unsure about how to read my slot. felt like we get along pretty well and yet the fear felt more serious, which I interpreted as scum you trying to sell the fear of me, rather than a more townie "lol pyxxy is spooky X.X he might be scum but like idk" vibe

another factor is that I wanted a wagon today and with Zenon already on you, I knew I could get one. I also still wanted to see you under some pressure today

Hmm okay

So votes and vibes (or tone or whatever you wanna call the "lol pyxxy is spooky" part), mostly

"I said I was surprised you were scared of me" but you said this:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 12:49 pm Dennis - I went and read his ISO in Tongue-Tied Mafia (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 114&t=2498)
I haven't found scum Dennis yet and he's correct to be afraid of scum pyxxy. But something about the way he brought it up this game feels off.

"He's correct to be afraid of scum pyxxy" so uhm. What

Also, how have I fared under the pressure?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:04 pm idk i dont think i could really justify voting PSV right now

Umm you could just do it and then win and then we wouldn't have to explain it

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