The Syndicate

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 1:26 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 12:48 pm

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:09 am

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 11:05 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri Jun 02, 2023 10:59 am Y'know what?

I'm pretty much settled on the Jack/Wilgy world atp.

Jack's basically spending much of his time trying to tie me to Wilgy without giving much attention to the possibility that Pyxxy is a wolf or little paranoia outside of this PoE in a fairly transparent attempt that he knows that once Wilgy flips that the main mountain separating the wolves from winning is that I'll basically go the full Amrock to elim him.

This is basically textbook endgame wolf play to seal the game.

It makes sense too- this perspective. Because Jack wasn’t exactly gunning for Wilgy, and once the tides had changed to that as the possible yeet, he’s keeping options open.

But a wrinkle- he has just reasoned out that the team is just Wilgy/you. Not a lot of wiggle room. What happens when we yeet w!Wilgy and then t!you?
(Ignoring doc atm) After Wilgy, it’ll be 4v1. Miselim on you leads to f3. How does jack win in that scenario?

Because in a Pyxxy/Jack/You or Roxy endgame it's basically extremely easy for a wolf with WiM, which is basically the archetype that Jack is, to shift the elim on Pyxxy.

The guy nearly got chopped d1 and he's kind of been in the PoE and would've died if it was for Alison shielding him. Once Alison's dead he's basically easy pickings.

No way Pyxxy was dying D 1. Alison didn't post at all at EoD iirc she went offline in the early afternoon. As did Porscha. It was basically me against Zenon and Tutuu trying to save Porscha and both were mad when I tied it. Alison was no where around to defend Pyx at this time. So I do not know how Alison could have been "sheilding" them lol

I still think Pyx is town.
Or I am wronger than I have been in awhile.
Which is true idk.

.......camilla.......is.......referring..............to.......basically everything.......after.......D1.......

.......if.......there's.......a pocket.......in.......this game..............it's me.......in.......Alison's.......

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 3:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:43 pm also fwiw I am vt

..........................................oh

.......aight.......@Jackofhearts2005.......that makes my suspool.......you and camilla.......and I would consider you voting roxy today.......as outing.......

.......sorry that.......I'm double backing.......on the rand :'(.......

so you are sure about Alison? Bc after Scotty's iso I was not so sure.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:57 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:51 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:43 pm also fwiw I am vt

..........................................oh

.......aight.......@Jackofhearts2005.......that makes my suspool.......you and camilla.......and I would consider you voting roxy today.......as outing.......

.......sorry that.......I'm double backing.......on the rand :'(.......

Oh well.

I’m more worried about being wrong than I am about convincing players to vote with me.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:43 pm also fwiw I am vt

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:15 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:14 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:14 am ..............I.......await..............roxy.......ttyl.......

where are we voting @pyxxy?

.......wanna rand.......between you and Camilla?..............

If that is what it takes for the town to win then yes.

Roxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 2:11 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:14 am ..............I.......await..............roxy.......ttyl.......

where are we voting @pyxxy?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:33 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:32 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:26 pm .......busy rn.......but let me.......wolfy hypothesize.......

.......what if.......everyone who thought.......D1 was SvS.......is either a dead townie.......or scum .......

.......if this doesn't win the game.......then I never said it.......

I don’t get it.

.......put another way.......anyone who pushed the SvS idea.......is/was scum?.......it's a hypothesis.......

.......similar to how I pointed out.......that Camilla kept.......wanting Wilgy dead......._only_.......if I flipped RB.......which..........................................

So who did this?

And why would this group be made up of dead townies and one wolf?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:26 pm .......busy rn.......but let me.......wolfy hypothesize.......

.......what if.......everyone who thought.......D1 was SvS.......is either a dead townie.......or scum .......

.......if this doesn't win the game.......then I never said it.......

I don’t get it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:23 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 8:57 pm .......fuck it............................[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine.......

.......wanted.......to see..............how much.......whim..............would be.......expended.......

..............that's.......a passing.......grade.......

Not really seeing the progression on the turnaround but there are some bad Wilgy posts fmpov that Pyxxy interacts with so it’s not insane that the progression exists and is just unstated.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:11 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:55 am .......summary.......instead.......of.......clogging.......with quotes.......

.......annoyed.......with.......rondo.......chop..............no.......need..............
.......zenon............................................................................................................................ ..rip.......
.......agree with.......camilla.......tutuu.......town.......
.......agree with.......nka.......PR.......hunt.......

.......scotty.......falcon.......team.......saves.......porscha.......imo.....................scotty.......manages.......something.......anything.......eod D1?.......
.......does.......scotty.......tr.......zenon.......this.......hard.......only.......to.....................nk? - https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 4#p1050784
...................................the way.......falcon..............breaks meta..............≠..............the way..............Porscha..............breaks meta.......

.......scotty town.......imo.......or w/e.......tbtbtbwbwwwwwbwbbbwttttbtbttbwbwbtbtbtwbtb.......ya feel.......

.....................I've...................................absolutely.......coasted.......but.......I've.......also.......slept.......14hours.......in the last.......three days.......(own volition).......

..............c'est la vie..............

...................................lede me, readmour.......
.......my.......greatest.......defense.......remains.....................as scum..............if.......I.......serious.......let.......that.......eod D1.......manifest............................tutuu.......tell them..............my scum range.......again.......pls and ty.......

..............when wolfing.......with.......Porsch-dawg..............I..............lolcatted..............I would.......never.......repeat that..............consecutive..............ergo..............eod D1.......wagons.......would.......never.......happen............................fin.......
.......for.......legal.......reasons............................pyxxy's.......ego.......is.......involved.......here.......

.......wilgy.......been.......town.......to.......me.......for.....................a.......while.......now.......

so............................by.......logical.......inference.......wouldn't.......vote.......today.......scotty, tutuu, wilgy..............likely.......also.......not vote.......roxy.......

.......fading.......ttyl

Not sure where this Wilgy “town for awhile” read came from. Did I like miss it?

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 1:04 pm I have a hunch that after this game that I should probably stop making PR reads as town, tbh.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:53 pm Kinda thinking Jack/Alison/Pyxxy is at “one in Roxy/Camilla” and Roxy is at “one in Camilla/Alison” and Camilla is at “one in Jack/Roxy.”

Which like…is really good if there’s a wolf in Camilla/Roxy and really bad if there’s not.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:45 pm can we afford that possibility?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:45 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 4:02 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 24, 2023 2:48 pm ~Prince J~ - Just sad that they were name called and voted for before they had even posted. Are they bad? Idk bc they probs won't be back for anyone to try and get a feel for their rand this game.

Alison - agreed to disagree with what you state. <3

Camilla - does not seem as engaged as she was in the beginning of splints and I's mountainous game and her posts seem to mostly just be agreeable which always sends my eyebrow on an arch. She has to be excused until D 2 as she was sick and busy today but tbh I could vote here with zero qualms.

DrWilgy - where are you? You be extra quiet this game not many jokes no fun yet only 3 posts. miss your style this game c'mon and play.

falcon45ca - so far so good.

Porscha - took heat and votes but no defense really given. Seems to have basically given up. Very pingy. Could vote here with no prob.

pyxxy - Poss you tried to pocket me but you *are* often mis-elimmed. Before I can vote for you srsly I am gonna need a reason why besides using meta. But I am waiting for you to add some actual substance to the game to better gauge you.

RondoDimBuckle - not real sure about you but I have the feeling you are a bored townie. I could be wrong but I think I will wait and watch.

Scotty - your early questions to me seemed like quite a stretch as we have played more than once and you have hosted me as a player. Really pinged me but I am hoping for better from you.

Seanzie - also so far so good.

tutuu - Not understanding your game state at all this go round. You are alternating between joking and game play - normal - except it does not *feel* normal. It feels more sarcastic from you than what I am used to seeing. Digging your rainbows though not that I agree with your reads but you do seem to be trying. Are you trying in the town's best interest? That remains to be seen. Would I voteyou today? Probs not.

Zenon - Idk, idk,idk. Every since your last win as Mafia I have been awestruck by you. But then splints and I have hosted you and you were town. You game style does not change as much as others feel it does which makes it very hard for me to read you. Right now I am fence sitting where you are concerned. A few of your posts threw up red flags and others not so much. Watch/Wait? Could you really be this bored with Tutuu around to keep you company in the thread, idk. Gives me pause.

...................................

*resumes hemming a pair of pants for a particular bird with the word "scum" on the back in the Juicy Couture font*

What does this mean?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:43 pm and its fine if shes the doc because then we just get auto in cam/jack i think

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:36 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:34 pm .......if it's not clear.......I am late to work.......and re-reading Camilla's entire ISO.......got to D4.......

.......there is a significant lack.......of forming a town core.......

.......I would need to think.......if that's a problem.......in this specific game.......or scummy behavior.......

Eh?

I had Zenon/Tutu/Alison as my primary towncore with Scotty/Roxy behind it.

I've been fairly vocal about this throughout the game.

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:47 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:55 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:50 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 12:48 pm

Porscha: Alison, Seanzie, Roxy, Pyxxy, Wilgy
Pyxxy: Scotty, Porscha, Zenon, Tutuu
Scotty: Rondo
Tutuu: Falcon
Missing: Camilla, Prince J


Falcon: Alison, Tutuu, Pyxxy, Rondo
Rondo: Scotty, Wilgy, Falcon, Camilla, Zenon
Tutuu: Roxy
Missing: Prince J

Falcon: Tutuu, Alison, Scotty, Jack, Pyxxy, Camilla
Pyxxy: DrWilgy, Falcon

D1 Pyxxy/Scotty needs to be resolved. That wagon isn't pure, from there we can sort between Rondo/Falcon wagons D2.

[VOTE: Pyxxy] aubergine

.......nah.......

.......I reject..............today being..............me vs scotty.......

..............that's.......a.......lazy solve..............given..............who.......we've wagoned.......

.......you're.......parroting..............Prince Jack's.......entrance + summary..............and.......I'm..............surprised.......you.......didn't.......note.......as.......such.......

Do you disagree with arguing to solve the shitty wagons? Again, you not wanting to solve Scotty is still baffling to me and makes me think you are only trying to extend your own lifespan by buddying up to them.

@pyxxy

I'm agreeing with Wilgy's line of thinking

If you're town then the Mafia's likely just two of Jack/Wilgy/Scotty. There can't just be one single wolf left so who do you think is the wolf team rn?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:33 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:32 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 pm maybe pyxxy just played a very clean scum game. but if so he left no trace. I cant get there on him being mafia even if he is so its useless being paranoid that he is some god wolf that snowed me hard

.......not to mention.......I also.......rejected scotty/me thunderdone.......when wilgy would have helped.......push scotty over me.......

.......which maybe makes sense.......if I'm the RB.......but also.......why would wilgy.......put me in a thunderdome then..............

.......this is me.......being a little annoyed.......that I haven't.......been lavished in praise.......for finding town scotty .......

yea, thats what i meant by you played d4 nonsensically if you are partners with wilgy

i think weirdly enough you are my strongest townread atp despite being poed all game

.......this is what happens.......when you don't vig me .......

tbh i didnt vig you, creature did. I lied about vigging you

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:31 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:28 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 pm maybe pyxxy just played a very clean scum game. but if so he left no trace. I cant get there on him being mafia even if he is so its useless being paranoid that he is some god wolf that snowed me hard

.......not to mention.......I also.......rejected scotty/me thunderdone.......when wilgy would have helped.......push scotty over me.......

.......which maybe makes sense.......if I'm the RB.......but also.......why would wilgy.......put me in a thunderdome then..............

.......this is me.......being a little annoyed.......that I haven't.......been lavished in praise.......for finding town scotty .......

yea, thats what i meant by you played d4 nonsensically if you are partners with wilgy

i think weirdly enough you are my strongest townread atp despite being poed all game

Camilla wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 4:49 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:34 pm I would like to sort Prince J aka Jack.

And go from there. Probs to Camilla.

Yep I am believing they are it.

I mean, I was the main person pushing for a J chop d2 when everyone was obsessed over the dumb T/T wagons in Falcon/Rondo as Falcon/Rondo actually had some towny pings from them while J was bleh.

Camilla wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 3:55 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 12:22 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:52 am Jack subs in and agrees with consensus scumreads how exciting.

It’s valuable information, so thank you for looking into the reads.

I am leaning towards town for your slot fwiw

Kind of agree and his perspective makes sense in a world where he's V and Pyxxy/Falcon are the last wolves, tbh.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:26 pm maybe pyxxy just played a very clean scum game. but if so he left no trace. I cant get there on him being mafia even if he is so its useless being paranoid that he is some god wolf that snowed me hard

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:30 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 5:18 pm pyxxy + roxy
pyxxy + wilgy
scotty + prince j

i just feel it in my gut its one of these. cant rly explain it

I feel like Pyxxy's alignment is ideal to know here.

If he's a roleblocker then I'd just kill Wilgy as that should be GG but if he's V then I'm probably putting Wilgy as just town as it'd make no sense to bus d1 like he did.

If he's V then the wolves are very likely just 2 of Jack/Falcon/Maybe Scotty.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:08 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:57 pm i dont think scotty + falcon team makes sense

scotty just ends up on the cw of a wolf - again - thats a suicidal strat. its not a thing

wilgy and roxy make sense as wolves only with pyxxy imo. otherwise its an unnecessary bus that they don't even capitalize too much. and they feel alone, as alison likes to say. i e they're doing their own thing by themselves

obviously i have to be wrong at least on 1 townread (2 if im wrong that scotty is wolf)

scotty + pyxxy and scotty + jack team feels cozy to me, sensible

honestly pyxxy + jack team also makes sense and feels cozy

scotty + pyxxy
scotty + jack
pyxxy + jack
pyxxy + wilgy

these teams feel cozy to me

When it comes to Pyxxy I feel like the team would depend if he's the RB'er or not.

If he is then I don't think Scotty would pile on him over Porscha but if not then yeah. If the team's exactly Scotty/Porscha/Pyxxy then Scotty is always the RB'er.

If Pyxxy's the RB'er then Wilgy's equity raises but I don't think he's likely to be the RB'er since Porscha parked her vote on him d1.

If Pyxxy's V then I feel like Wilgy's just a villa and the team's something like 2 out of Jack/Falcon/Scott

Falcon/Scott makes sense if Scott's play is to hard-wolfside here since then he'd be in the CW to two wolf elims.

Only wildcard that it's in your team is Jack since his slot hasn't really done much for the game, but with Wilgy/Scott trying to push him then I feel like if he's a wolf then he's likely with Falcon or Pyxxy as it's kind of dumb for W!Wilgy/W!Scott to push them when they could get chopped when we had two easy MLs being the lead-wagon.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:57 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:14 am ..............I.......await..............roxy.......ttyl.......

Why?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 2:28 am @pyxxy

Also ftr, I don't get why PR hunting is wolfy.

I do it as both alignments such as here in my Gwen account(https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ost6824932) where I PR'd hunt to clear the Desperado.

I was a bit more blatant in that game since Detective Popcorn was being pushed while here nobody was pushing Roxy after d2.

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:05 am

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:04 am

Camilla wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:03 am Let's be real, if you think I'm a wolf and I go over today then there's no harm in claiming since from a V!You PoV then the game just ends.

Sure but I don’t follow strategic suggestions from players I think are wolves, either.

If I'm a wolf like you say, the game just ends and there's no point in not claiming.

What am I going to do? Have the 4th wolf kill the Doctor?

Camilla wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:38 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

Well a trustfall and distrustfall is when you list the strongest reason to townread or scumread someone

And the idea is you get a better sense of the solve by seeing who you had to try the hardest to come up with reasons for

I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you, but I dont think i struggled to come up with reasons to trust anyone

So if i trustfalled myself it would just be because I know my role card lol

"I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you"

.......oh..............that's interesting.......

..............question.......for.......the thread..............

.......does.......everyone.......find me.......towncleared.......by both wolves.......wanting me dead?..............

.......like..............I am.......the nk..............10 times out of 10..............tonight?.......

If I get elim'd today then the NK will probably be Alison, tbh.

I think Roxy is the doctor and Jack's wincon would basically be getting Roxy to vote you as Alison is TR'ing you, and Alison would be extremely hard to ML.

I don't think Alison would let Jack live if I die today and I don't think if he does CC Roxy that you'd vote Roxy.

I'd frankly just force Jack to claim VT/Doc today so CC'ing here is impossible for him tomorrow.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

Well a trustfall and distrustfall is when you list the strongest reason to townread or scumread someone

And the idea is you get a better sense of the solve by seeing who you had to try the hardest to come up with reasons for

I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you, but I dont think i struggled to come up with reasons to trust anyone

So if i trustfalled myself it would just be because I know my role card lol

"I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you"

.......oh..............that's interesting.......

..............question.......for.......the thread..............

.......does.......everyone.......find me.......towncleared.......by both wolves.......wanting me dead?..............

.......like..............I am.......the nk..............10 times out of 10..............tonight?.......

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

Well a trustfall and distrustfall is when you list the strongest reason to townread or scumread someone

And the idea is you get a better sense of the solve by seeing who you had to try the hardest to come up with reasons for

I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you, but I dont think i struggled to come up with reasons to trust anyone

So if i trustfalled myself it would just be because I know my role card lol

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 11:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:58 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall

.......don't forget.......yourself.......

Well a trustfall and distrustfall is when you list the strongest reason to townread or scumread someone

And the idea is you get a better sense of the solve by seeing who you had to try the hardest to come up with reasons for

I had the hardest time coming up with reasons to distrust you, but I dont think i struggled to come up with reasons to trust anyone

So if i trustfalled myself it would just be because I know my role card lol

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 10:48 pm I wanna do a trustfall and distrustfall