The Syndicate

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what a game

eh I'm going back on sig [VOTE: sig] aubergine

I have no legacy because I have no worldview

gl

well now I'm a bit tight that I actually remembered about the game but no one's here for EOD

Neon wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:52 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 5:06 pm @Neon if you're bored, why am I town?
Your not?

I just can't decide who I want to kill more. You or Dennis.

Do you gain anything from killing Dennis before me?

This isn't really a question for you but more your legacy because if you kill Dennis then you're going to be the night kill

actually [VOTE: unvote] aubergine idk why I think I can tell what's going on

oh also [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine because idk, why not

I feel like the towniest thing about me is that I do not have a good grasp of the game nor a cohesive worldview

and if you think scum pyxxy would allow himself to get here in this state, then....yeah I got nothing for that, unless you really want to read a scum game of mine or something

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@Neon if you're bored, why am I town?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:11 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 4:10 pm hi sorry when i posted about 24 hours i was serioud and closed my browser tab and completely forgot about this game

uhhh I’ll have to find time but I might just not be here before EOD, sorry
Oh well while you're here
Pick for last scum?

I truly do not know

if I want to feel good about my reads, sig, or Dennis, maybe Zenon

realistically I do not think I should be relied upon to find the last scum today, and if that means I have to die, that's fine

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 1:33 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:07 am
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:48 pm kicks thread violently
We need town consensus on sig and pyxxy. So @sig why dennis over pyxxy?
@Dennis why sig other than omgus?
Does anyone have strong reasons to town read pyxxy?
Does anyone have strong reasons to scum read sig?

There is zero reason to scum read Pyxxy at this time and plenty of reason to go for Dennis which I and others have consistently said.

At this point I’m confident he’s the last mafia member and if it isn’t him it’s likely SPF and that’s just because they’re still alive
seems clear from your catch-up so far that you havent read the post that i asked you to read tbh, since you're saying tha there is "zero reason to scumread pyxxy" as though i have not said those reasons multiple times

for example:

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:10 am pyxxy

-it was kind of hard for me to come up with strong reasons to townread pyxxy in general

-pyxxy doesn’t have much of a visible progression on either seanzie or falcon. he was absent when seanzie got flashwagoned at the EOD1

-his shift from: “i find falcon scummy and think he’s in scum meta” to “im sheeping neon’s tr on falcon” on d2 is a bit abrupt, and it could very well be because seanzie died and pyxxy was trying to pivot away from having to distance from his other partner

-falcon and seanzie did not seem to interact with or acknowledge the existence of pyxxy much at all
the shift on falcon is the one that i find the most damning in particular - going from voicing serious concern and suspicion on falcon to abruptly deciding to sheep neon on falcon and then not talk about him again does not strike me as an organic progression

yeah it's honestly my biggest mistake in this game

Zenon just seemed pretty convinced that falcon was town

and honestly it felt like the way Zenon tried to defend Mac in Holes Mafia but like eh

I don't think my reads win this game :/

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:51 am Also I 109% think Sean is running the night kill and likely coached/coaching Dennis so I’d say we should keep that in mind when discussing NK

Sean died D1 and isn't it the case that scum can't talk in nightchat after death?

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:51 am @pyxxy what happened to the Dennis read from earlier in the game?

If I flip town who’s the last mafia member

You kinda dropped it with just the "yes" and I found Dennis' EOD towny after me randing it.

I'm willing to WIFOM that Dennis kept talking because he's the last scum and so there was no town fear of maybe breaking the rules + he was ready to "ggs"

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:50 am Also,

I’m not playing this game that Pyxxy and SPF are I don’t want to be voted off. I know I’m town and I think it’s silly to put yourself in the POE. It’s probably very towny, but still silly and counterproductive when push comes to shove

ah now _this_ is spicy

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:06 am
Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:09 pm Coming in and omgusing me isn't the best look in my opinion
Nah you’re playing within your scum meta and I’ve said that consistently since before your mentioned me and I voted their last phase.

You’re attempting to paint a picture that’s entirely inaccurate which only further fuels my suspicion that you’re mafia.

It also just makes sense from a wagonomics perspective. We had two wagons of players within the POE one got voted off and flipped civ. The next move isn’t to go and create two new wagons its to finish off the one we had and see how you flip

.....so I guess I am misclearing Dennis

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:49 pm @pyxxy If you're town, your absence isn't going to convince anyone to move off of you. Come back and be towny.

*squints*

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:48 pm @pyxxy why are you voting sig?

he's POE and I decided to clear Dennis

generally absent from the thread a la myself

good enough to bus falcon and try to win solo

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:42 pm sig could be a wolf but he is showing a lack of any real self preservation intent by pushing on dennis

pyxxy had a progression on falcon throughout d1 and d2 that is very easy to see as a wolf awkwardly shifting their positioning once their other partner (seanzie) died, and his solving has felt the least sincere to me compared to my other townreads

so, willing to have my mind changed, willing to discuss it further, but that's where im at

that's the reason why I really want people to engage with my thoughts today, because if I'm wrong, I need help figuring out where

(the following argument only works if you don't know me)

If I'm scum, then why I don't I try harder to keep falcon alive D2?

I'm POE'd by then because of missing EOD D1 so like I feel like I should have been forced to 1) actively defend falcon and/or 2) hard push another wagon (which I kinda did with Dennis)

(if you do know me then you know that I don't have strong thread pull as either alignment and so the idea of me accomplishing either of these things is

)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:08 am potentialsheltervet

-seanzie’s treatment of psv arguably spews PSV as town. for example:

1. i find it kind of difficult to imagine seanzie going out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts (p#61)

2. ………if seanzie went out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts, why not commit to distancing from her? why do this really awkward shift where you start acting cloying toward her and talk about how her responses have been towny? (ie: p#191, p#296, p#452

3. it’s kind of easy for me to see seanzie pushing on PSV at the start of the game as a way to “anchor” himself into the game or produce content, and then backing off once he saw that PSV was pushing on him for it and that he wanted to catch less heat. it’s a little harder for me to understand why seanzie would open the game by distancing from his partner, only to change his mind rather awkwardly and abruptly

-falcon pushing on PSV with neon reads a bit like a wolf trying to find an easy name to push on, though this is a more minor point since his push on her was ultimately fairly limited

-idk if psv would be so bold as to townread both of her partners toward the beginning of the game at p#277

-it was easy to see the writing on the wall that falcon was going to die on d2, but PSV played in a way that gave her zero towncred from his flip. i would expect a wolf on d2 to distance a bit from falcon at least a little bit or call him null or something, but PSV outright said he was town and that she didn’t want to vote for him. again, this is a counter intuitive way for PSV to treat falcon if they are W/W and she is preparing to solo endgame

-psv has felt like one of most invested/solvey players over the last dayphase or so. this isn’t super town indicative since maf are capable of being invested too, but i kind of anticipate maf would feel a bit demotivated here, and i dont sense that in psv’s play

I should say that I can be wrong town here. If y'all chop me today, then feel free to locktown PSV.

I'm going to fast but I should have added that yes Falcon also probably spewed PSV town _or_ more importantly _thought_ that he had and that's why I voted + pushed here

but that's WIFOM

and I'm messed up by putting PSV back in my POE which means that I wasn't able to do my "lol Blank will die tonight

" to PSV which maybe was a better play yesterday instead of agreeing that Lemonfairy was the most clear

If I do die today I don't think anybody should feel bad because I'm in the POE and ultimately I'm not sure I feel more confident about chopping someone other than me, if that makes sense. but we'll see as I catch up

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:17 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 1:20 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:20 am but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it
nope my only waver is PSV

if I had to order for myself:
Neon - towncore
Dennis - strong townread
ted - townread

and mostly this is a "how much have I played with someone" list

(but I suspect the last scum feels that Dennis is the most obv town, thus my guess earlier that he's next to go......home from the summer camp trip)
talk more about PSV? why is she a waver compared to your other townreads?

very bad voting record + in the thread defended falcon hard while the wagon was starting (iirc?)

lack of experience playing with her

I was and am trying to form a very clear line between town and POE. ted was/is that line

oh if it's not clear, I'm catching up, so I'll be replying as I come across things, I saw that I had like 4 tags, please have patience uwu >.<

(lmao that felt good to write)

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:25 pm alright I'm out for today see y'all in 24 hours

I think you'll clear me if I just don't post

alright posted up in a cafe for now

I guess I was wrong about this :/

hi sorry when i posted about 24 hours i was serioud and closed my browser tab and completely forgot about this game

uhhh I’ll have to find time but I might just not be here before EOD, sorry

alright I'm out for today see y'all in 24 hours

I think you'll clear me if I just don't post

also fyi EOD moved again

[VOTE: sig] aubergine

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 11:35 am [VOTE: pyxxy ] aubergine

lmao not you too

Neon wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 2:59 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:49 pm after that EOD I think I'm down to lock Dennis as town

and as is apparent by now, that makes Dennis the next nk *salutes*
Lul

Vote: Pyxxy

Look, I don't make the rules. No one is going to nk you before Dennis :/

Or would they

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:20 am but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it

nope my only waver is PSV

if I had to order for myself:
Neon - towncore
Dennis - strong townread
ted - townread

and mostly this is a "how much have I played with someone" list

(but I suspect the last scum feels that Dennis is the most obv town, thus my guess earlier that he's next to go......home from the summer camp trip)

(hehehe at me making another post putting myself as second in the lim line

)

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:20 am but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it

I pretty much endorse this

I just skimmed all your posts and I'm willing to order it:

sig -> pyxxy (myself) -> spf (yourself).....maybe psv?

mostly because I think it's important to create a very broad towncore and force the last scum to keep killing within it

this has partially been why I acted the way I did last day. I was pretty clear early on that I wanted real wagons, we got real wagons, and now Dennis is clear

truly though I do regret not being around for EOD D1, feels like me being null there is the biggest hinderance to solving my slot :/

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:12 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 8:10 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Fri May 12, 2023 2:57 pm Sig... Very little mental data on him. I can't really remember like. Anything about him. If there's any player I should read an iso on it is definitely him. I'm not really sure why he's being cleared so I want to double check.
Has he been clear? Cause thus far he has done:

1. Push me

which is not very towny considering the fact that I am town
He's not really been in the POE at all that I've noticed. I'm not sure why though. I hadn't even read any posts from him until yesterday, frankly.

do you mean like, besides your poe?

after that EOD I think I'm down to lock Dennis as town

and as is apparent by now, that makes Dennis the next nk *salutes*

@Dennis would I ever rand a vote that actually killed you?

probably just gonna afk until the night kill

not sure there's much for us to be gained here

sorry for the rand dennis but you know I gotta do it to ya

I guess maybe the one discussion to have it, do we actually just sheep Kate now? for realsies?

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:03 pm pyxxy and SPF are w/w
they planned this together

that EOD was outing

I already warned u before

this is odd because I feel like I should stop posting until the flip

but it's open nights

Schrödinger's Dennis

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 5:01 pm ftr i was intending to come back on and vote sixstrings

frfr

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:59 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:58 pm randing for the meme o7

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
PYXXY YOU STINKER

randing for the meme o7

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

lemme do this first though

[VOTE: sixstrings] aubergine

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:43 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:25 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:24 pm im considering just putting my vote back on sixstrings because im not really brave enough to flashwagon anyone else right now
alternatively, we could let it rand for the memes
that's probably a bad idea but would be funny

yeah the benefits of randing are proof that one is willing to let it rand (for town or scum reasons)

but with one scum left.....it would be really funny though

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:24 pm im considering just putting my vote back on sixstrings because im not really brave enough to flashwagon anyone else right now

alternatively, we could let it rand for the memes

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:18 pm who is ur top sr rn pyxxy?

I don't feel like I have a strong enough scumread on anyone to call it top

I'm on dennis for reasons I've said before, I think Six is a valid choice, sig is kinda poe tinfoil for me

part of my open question is trying to form that consensus POE like you were trying to do

it does feel like if we can get to 3, we can go from there, but I also think there's value in clearly stating that we have varying towncores so that the nk becomes harder (if we're not right today)

I agree with dennis though I think lemonfairy dies tn if tn happens

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:13 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:48 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:02 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 4:08 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:40 pm Okay so I'm top wagon which is CRINGE but I'm still struggling to see why I'm being voted, unless it is purely my votes being bad and looking bus-like(which admittedly they are)

If someone could put that into like one post or something, that would be great

Currently I'd be down to chop like, psv/pyxxy/six is kind of my remaining poe
mind going through each with a quick why?
What if you answered my question first
in my defense you didn't put a question mark on it and stuffed it inside what seemed like a rhetorical moment

for me, I'm voting you because both of your votes look bad + were opportunistic busses, which I think fits with what I perceive to be your comfort level of bussing for a seanzie/falcon scummate pair. both are experienced players and while falcon would be open to being bussed as needed, I doubt that that would have been the plan from SOD D2, thus the timing of your vote

the defense of your falcon vote is that 3 is not a confirmed death, but 4 is, and so putting falcon at 4 yesterday deserves at least some townie cred

the counter of the defense is that you and falcon are smart enough to know this. and so actually I would have found you way more townie if you never voted falcon / voted him really late in the day (please consider me in full WIFOM mode)

then D2 like I said I was surprised that you were afraid of me or at least unsure about how to read my slot. felt like we get along pretty well and yet the fear felt more serious, which I interpreted as scum you trying to sell the fear of me, rather than a more townie "lol pyxxy is spooky X.X he might be scum but like idk" vibe

another factor is that I wanted a wagon today and with Zenon already on you, I knew I could get one. I also still wanted to see you under some pressure today
Hmm okay

So votes and vibes (or tone or whatever you wanna call the "lol pyxxy is spooky" part), mostly

"I said I was surprised you were scared of me" but you said this:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 12:49 pm Dennis - I went and read his ISO in Tongue-Tied Mafia (https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 114&t=2498)
I haven't found scum Dennis yet and he's correct to be afraid of scum pyxxy. But something about the way he brought it up this game feels off.
"He's correct to be afraid of scum pyxxy" so uhm. What

Also, how have I fared under the pressure?

ya done good, you're not freaking out which atm in my WIFOM sine wave I have as a townie vibe for you

I've been considering a switch off since waking up today but also I'm sure you can understand the desire to be right

count on me switching off you at some point with a chance to switch back

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 4:03 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:47 pm Dude the wolf is just gonna be something annoying like sig literally watch this happen
sig has not left my radar

I did almost push us to vote sleep today

scummy af but I was just like, maybe we learn more from who the last scum decides to kill, since there's no consensus towncore atm (imo? or am I wrong? tell me who you think is towncore rn :3)

Actually I'm going to make that last part an official question for the thread ™:

Who do you have as towncore/townlock/firmly town right now, if anyone?

A possible venn diagram with:

If we're wrong today, who do you think the night kill will be?

oh right there's no sleep option that's why I didn't bring it up

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:47 pm Dude the wolf is just gonna be something annoying like sig literally watch this happen

sig has not left my radar

I did almost push us to vote sleep today

scummy af but I was just like, maybe we learn more from who the last scum decides to kill, since there's no consensus towncore atm (imo? or am I wrong? tell me who you think is towncore rn :3)

six's ISO from meta mafia for comparison
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 143&t=2507

you did just post more in general in that game, tbh

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